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2013-03-06 09:28:39 AM
Wasn't he the guy that wrote Ender's Game?  Was getting some homo vibes from that book especially with the bully and that shower scene.  Is he one of those self hating gays?
 
2013-03-06 09:40:50 AM

FullMetalPanda: Wasn't he the guy that wrote Ender's Game?  Was getting some homo vibes from that book especially with the bully and that shower scene.  Is he one of those self hating gays?


I thought the SAME THING when I read this article. It makes me look at Ender's Game in a whole new light. Little naked boys fighting in the shower, huh? Dirty bastard.
 
2013-03-06 10:04:40 AM
Artist who was working with Orson Scott Card on a Superman comic drops out of the project because of Card's outrageous homophobia ego.

I'm convinced one of the reasons Enders Game hasn't been made into a movie yet is because this guy just can't handle signing control to anyone who won't do exactly what he says.  Now with this whole homophobia thing coming out **sigh** we'll probably NEVER see Enders on the big screen, at least not made by any big Hollywood honchos.  They won't want to touch it with a 10- foot pole now.  The smartest thing Card could do is just sell the rights.

FullMetalPanda: Wasn't he the guy that wrote Ender's Game?  Was getting some homo vibes from that book especially with the bully and that shower scene.  Is he one of those self hating gays?


That actually never crossed my mind, though he is a very conservative Mormon-type with a bunch of kids.  He was also "into theatre" a bit before writing.  So it's possible.  I saw him at a book signing ages ago and I didn't get any vibe from him other than "egomaniacal, self-aggrandizing dick who thinks he's the smartest person in the room."
 
2013-03-06 10:23:20 AM

desertmouse: I'm convinced one of the reasons Enders Game hasn't been made into a movie yet is because this guy just can't handle signing control to anyone who won't do exactly what he says.  Now with this whole homophobia thing coming out **sigh** we'll probably NEVER see Enders on the big screen, at least not made by any big Hollywood honchos.  They won't want to touch it with a 10- foot pole now.  The smartest thing Card could do is just sell the rights.


Well, that's one theory...
 
2013-03-06 10:29:08 AM

FullMetalPanda: Wasn't he the guy that wrote Ender's Game?  Was getting some homo vibes from that book especially with the bully and that shower scene.  Is he one of those self hating gays?


He's mormon as all hell and, like most old people, has gotten more crotchety and right-wing as he's gotten truly old.  He wrote Ender's game a farking long-ass time ago and started drifting senile later, you can actually pretty much place his books by order of publication without checking just going by how hard he's hammering the reader with the religion bat.

//Gets kind of silly when his "shadows" books, which are ostensibly Ender's Game universe sequels/prequels, have more offensively radical reactionary Mormon bullshiat than the Alvin Maker series, which if you haven't read it is literally a retelling of the mythological life of Joseph Smith.

//Ender's game the novel isn't the "classic" Ender's game to begin with, the famous/classic version is the short-story, the novel was a re-write/expansion for quick cash and considered by most to be relatively mediocre as a novel.  Speaker for the dead was... actually better, since it was conceived at novel length to begin with and thus had less padding (and more psychedelic insanity).
 
2013-03-06 10:30:47 AM
The bad aliens are called the  Buggers. That is all.
 
2013-03-06 10:33:01 AM

desertmouse: Artist who was working with Orson Scott Card on a Superman comic drops out of the project because of Card's outrageous homophobia ego.

I'm convinced one of the reasons Enders Game hasn't been made into a movie yet is because this guy just can't handle signing control to anyone who won't do exactly what he says.  Now with this whole homophobia thing coming out **sigh** we'll probably NEVER see Enders on the big screen, at least not made by any big Hollywood honchos.  They won't want to touch it with a 10- foot pole now.  The smartest thing Card could do is just sell the rights.

FullMetalPanda: Wasn't he the guy that wrote Ender's Game?  Was getting some homo vibes from that book especially with the bully and that shower scene.  Is he one of those self hating gays?

That actually never crossed my mind, though he is a very conservative Mormon-type with a bunch of kids.  He was also "into theatre" a bit before writing.  So it's possible.  I saw him at a book signing ages ago and I didn't get any vibe from him other than "egomaniacal, self-aggrandizing dick who thinks he's the smartest person in the room."


If what you say is true about his ego, he wouldn't be the first author to be reluctant about handing his brainchild off to Hollywood. Tolkien didn't want the LOTR to get the "Disney Treatment". It's why the movies weren't made in his lifetime.

I've also seem a lot of stories get burned by bad interpretation on the part of screenwriters and directors. If I ever get a novel written and optioned for a movie, I'll be darn sure to have the contract stipulate that I can pull the plug on the whole deal if I don't like the way the project is being handled. It would be better to scuttle a bad movie than to allow it to mar your creation.
 
2013-03-06 10:33:47 AM
So? Authors are just D list celebrity pieces of shiat. Card, Martin, King, Jordan, etc... all of them scumbags who have a little bit of talent to tell popular tales that the masses of mouth-breathing idiots love.
 
2013-03-06 10:34:52 AM
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2013-03-06 10:35:07 AM

Slaves2Darkness: So? Authors are just D list celebrity pieces of shiat. Card, Martin, King, Jordan, etc... all of them scumbags who have a little bit of talent to tell popular tales that the masses of mouth-breathing idiots love.


You know who else hated books?
 
2013-03-06 10:35:33 AM

desertmouse: I'm convinced one of the reasons Enders Game hasn't been made into a movie yet is because this guy just can't handle signing control to anyone who won't do exactly what he says.  Now with this whole homophobia thing coming out **sigh** we'll probably NEVER see Enders on the big screen, at least not made by any big Hollywood honchos.  They won't want to touch it with a 10- foot pole now.  The smartest thing Card could do is just sell the rights.


I know, right? They'll never make a movie out of Ender's Game, and it definitely won't star Asa Butterfield as Ender, Abigail Breslin as Valentine, Harrison Ford as Colonel Graff, and Ben Kingsley as Mazer Rackham.

cgraves67: If what you say is true about his ego, he wouldn't be the first author to be reluctant about handing his brainchild off to Hollywood. Tolkien didn't want the LOTR to get the "Disney Treatment". It's why the movies weren't made in his lifetime.

I've also seem a lot of stories get burned by bad interpretation on the part of screenwriters and directors. If I ever get a novel written and optioned for a movie, I'll be darn sure to have the contract stipulate that I can pull the plug on the whole deal if I don't like the way the project is being handled. It would be better to scuttle a bad movie than to allow it to mar your creation.


Orson Scott Card is so dead-set against making a movie out of Ender's Game that it's already been filmed and is due for release in November of this year.
 
2013-03-06 10:36:07 AM

cgraves67: desertmouse: Artist who was working with Orson Scott Card on a Superman comic drops out of the project because of Card's outrageous homophobia ego.

I'm convinced one of the reasons Enders Game hasn't been made into a movie yet is because this guy just can't handle signing control to anyone who won't do exactly what he says.  Now with this whole homophobia thing coming out **sigh** we'll probably NEVER see Enders on the big screen, at least not made by any big Hollywood honchos.  They won't want to touch it with a 10- foot pole now.  The smartest thing Card could do is just sell the rights.

FullMetalPanda: Wasn't he the guy that wrote Ender's Game?  Was getting some homo vibes from that book especially with the bully and that shower scene.  Is he one of those self hating gays?

That actually never crossed my mind, though he is a very conservative Mormon-type with a bunch of kids.  He was also "into theatre" a bit before writing.  So it's possible.  I saw him at a book signing ages ago and I didn't get any vibe from him other than "egomaniacal, self-aggrandizing dick who thinks he's the smartest person in the room."

If what you say is true about his ego, he wouldn't be the first author to be reluctant about handing his brainchild off to Hollywood. Tolkien didn't want the LOTR to get the "Disney Treatment". It's why the movies weren't made in his lifetime.

I've also seem a lot of stories get burned by bad interpretation on the part of screenwriters and directors. If I ever get a novel written and optioned for a movie, I'll be darn sure to have the contract stipulate that I can pull the plug on the whole deal if I don't like the way the project is being handled. It would be better to scuttle a bad movie than to allow it to mar your creation.


Your book will never get made into a movie, ever. Only after you get a string of critical successes will you ever get that kind of control.
 
2013-03-06 10:36:23 AM

qorkfiend: Asa Butterfield


That name is funny.
 
2013-03-06 10:36:24 AM
Enders Game was an awesome book.

After that it was all down hill, progressively preachy tripe.
 
2013-03-06 10:38:41 AM

desertmouse: I'm convinced one of the reasons Enders Game hasn't been made into a movie yet...


desertmouse, you've got some catching up to do :)
 
2013-03-06 10:39:38 AM

Epicedion: Slaves2Darkness: So? Authors are just D list celebrity pieces of shiat. Card, Martin, King, Jordan, etc... all of them scumbags who have a little bit of talent to tell popular tales that the masses of mouth-breathing idiots love.

You know who else hated books?


Only a dumbass would consider denigrating popular trash as hating books, but hey I'm sure you whack off to that snooze fest that is the Game of Thrones. It is pretty sad what passes for literary entertainment.
 
2013-03-06 10:41:39 AM
Just read shadows in flight.
Spoiler  alert


Poor bean...
 
2013-03-06 10:44:59 AM

Slaves2Darkness: Only a dumbass would consider denigrating popular trash as hating books, but hey I'm sure you whack off to that snooze fest that is the Game of Thrones. It is pretty sad what passes for literary entertainment.


You know who else was sad about literary entertainment?
 
2013-03-06 10:47:00 AM

cgraves67: I've also seem a lot of stories get burned by bad interpretation on the part of screenwriters and directors. If I ever get a novel written and optioned for a movie, I'll be darn sure to have the contract stipulate that I can pull the plug on the whole deal if I don't like the way the project is being handled. It would be better to scuttle a bad movie than to allow it to mar your creation.


The only way to have that kind of control is to be a producer/writer of the adaptation like Robert Kirkman or George R.R. Martin and even then I doubt they can just pull the plug. I'd rather be Stephen King and make millions off of adaptaitons and not really care if they're any good if I can continue to write my own work. Hell, I'd take William Gibson's neverending Neuromancer-getting-optioned-again money.
 
2013-03-06 10:47:23 AM

Jim_Callahan: //Gets kind of silly when his "shadows" books, which are ostensibly Ender's Game universe sequels/prequels, have more offensively radical reactionary Mormon bullshiat than the Alvin Maker series, which if you haven't read it is literally a retelling of the mythological life of Joseph Smith.


Yeah, I started getting this weird sort of vibe towards the end of one of the Shadow books (Hegemon, I think?). My brain was just going "There is some really, really weird subtext/undercurrent here, but I just *can't* quite put my finger on it. But something feels *really* strange, and... Oh. He's a fundie religious mormon. THAT'S IT!"
 
2013-03-06 10:49:44 AM
The man has written one good book, a pile of "okay, but deeply flawed" books, and an even bigger pile of dreck. He should shut up now.
 
2013-03-06 10:51:23 AM

Slaves2Darkness: Only a dumbass would consider denigrating popular trash as hating books, but hey I'm sure you whack off to that snooze fest that is the Game of Thrones. It is pretty sad what passes for literary entertainment.


...says an Internet Tough Guy named Slaves2Darkness. It's obscure and therefor much better, right?
 
2013-03-06 10:52:47 AM

Jim_Callahan: FullMetalPanda: Wasn't he the guy that wrote Ender's Game?  Was getting some homo vibes from that book especially with the bully and that shower scene.  Is he one of those self hating gays?

He's mormon as all hell and, like most old people, has gotten more crotchety and right-wing as he's gotten truly old.  He wrote Ender's game a farking long-ass time ago and started drifting senile later, you can actually pretty much place his books by order of publication without checking just going by how hard he's hammering the reader with the religion bat.

//Gets kind of silly when his "shadows" books, which are ostensibly Ender's Game universe sequels/prequels, have more offensively radical reactionary Mormon bullshiat than the Alvin Maker series, which if you haven't read it is literally a retelling of the mythological life of Joseph Smith.

//Ender's game the novel isn't the "classic" Ender's game to begin with, the famous/classic version is the short-story, the novel was a re-write/expansion for quick cash and considered by most to be relatively mediocre as a novel.  Speaker for the dead was... actually better, since it was conceived at novel length to begin with and thus had less padding (and more psychedelic insanity).


The column in question is from 2007. I wonder what his take on the whole issue now, in light of the Mormon church's new policies on same-sex attraction. And the fact that many states have enacted same-sex marriage by democratic/legislative process.
 
2013-03-06 10:53:28 AM
"Ender's Game" the movie will be grounds for ethical piracy, It is on my list of straight to download.
 
2013-03-06 10:55:04 AM

Disposable Rob: cgraves67: I've also seem a lot of stories get burned by bad interpretation on the part of screenwriters and directors. If I ever get a novel written and optioned for a movie, I'll be darn sure to have the contract stipulate that I can pull the plug on the whole deal if I don't like the way the project is being handled. It would be better to scuttle a bad movie than to allow it to mar your creation.

The only way to have that kind of control is to be a producer/writer of the adaptation like Robert Kirkman or George R.R. Martin and even then I doubt they can just pull the plug. I'd rather be Stephen King and make millions off of adaptaitons and not really care if they're any good if I can continue to write my own work. Hell, I'd take William Gibson's neverending Neuromancer-getting-optioned-again money.


Not me. I'm not in writing for the money. If Hollywood wants to make a movie with one of my works, they have to dance to my tune. I don't have any burning desire to see my work on the big screen. If they want it bad enough they can do it with my oversight. I'll not be beholden to them.
 
2013-03-06 10:58:30 AM

felching pen: Jim_Callahan: FullMetalPanda: Wasn't he the guy that wrote Ender's Game?  Was getting some homo vibes from that book especially with the bully and that shower scene.  Is he one of those self hating gays?

He's mormon as all hell and, like most old people, has gotten more crotchety and right-wing as he's gotten truly old.  He wrote Ender's game a farking long-ass time ago and started drifting senile later, you can actually pretty much place his books by order of publication without checking just going by how hard he's hammering the reader with the religion bat.

//Gets kind of silly when his "shadows" books, which are ostensibly Ender's Game universe sequels/prequels, have more offensively radical reactionary Mormon bullshiat than the Alvin Maker series, which if you haven't read it is literally a retelling of the mythological life of Joseph Smith.

//Ender's game the novel isn't the "classic" Ender's game to begin with, the famous/classic version is the short-story, the novel was a re-write/expansion for quick cash and considered by most to be relatively mediocre as a novel.  Speaker for the dead was... actually better, since it was conceived at novel length to begin with and thus had less padding (and more psychedelic insanity).

The column in question is from 2007. I wonder what his take on the whole issue now, in light of the Mormon church's new policies on same-sex attraction. And the fact that many states have enacted same-sex marriage by democratic/legislative process.


Correction, the column is from 2004. Way past its expiration date. It is also BNPH (Before Neil Patrick Harris), so all the arguments may be invalid.
 
2013-03-06 10:58:31 AM

cgraves67: If I ever get a novel written and optioned for a movie, I'll be darn sure to have the contract stipulate that I can pull the plug on the whole deal if I don't like the way the project is being handled.


OK - that's hilarious. Good luck with that.
 
2013-03-06 11:01:02 AM

Slaves2Darkness: Epicedion: Slaves2Darkness: So? Authors are just D list celebrity pieces of shiat. Card, Martin, King, Jordan, etc... all of them scumbags who have a little bit of talent to tell popular tales that the masses of mouth-breathing idiots love.

You know who else hated books?

Only a dumbass would consider denigrating popular trash as hating books, but hey I'm sure you whack off to that snooze fest that is the Game of Thrones. It is pretty sad what passes for literary entertainment.


Ha, I can almost see the rejection notices for your manuscript piled up on your desk. Don't worry, one day they'll see, they'll all see.
 
2013-03-06 11:01:57 AM
Jim_Callahan: ...the Alvin Maker series, which if you haven't read it is literally a retelling of the mythological life of Joseph Smith.

I was actually really enjoying the Tales of Alvin Maker. It had an interesting setting of the early American frontier where folk magic worked, and I could easily overlook the real-world religious aspects, seeing as how  close religion is to fantasy anyways. However, after 9/11, Card became an enormous dick-bag, and I lost any interest in continuing reading the series.
 
2013-03-06 11:02:17 AM

Decillion: Ha, I can almost see the rejection notices for your manuscript manifesto piled up on your desk. Don't worry, one day they'll see, they'll all see.


FTFE
 
2013-03-06 11:09:55 AM

cgraves67: Disposable Rob: cgraves67: I've also seem a lot of stories get burned by bad interpretation on the part of screenwriters and directors. If I ever get a novel written and optioned for a movie, I'll be darn sure to have the contract stipulate that I can pull the plug on the whole deal if I don't like the way the project is being handled. It would be better to scuttle a bad movie than to allow it to mar your creation.

The only way to have that kind of control is to be a producer/writer of the adaptation like Robert Kirkman or George R.R. Martin and even then I doubt they can just pull the plug. I'd rather be Stephen King and make millions off of adaptaitons and not really care if they're any good if I can continue to write my own work. Hell, I'd take William Gibson's neverending Neuromancer-getting-optioned-again money.

Not me. I'm not in writing for the money. If Hollywood wants to make a movie with one of my works, they have to dance to my tune. I don't have any burning desire to see my work on the big screen. If they want it bad enough they can do it with my oversight. I'll not be beholden to them.


Yeah, you tell 'em! How dare imaginary film executives tinker with your imaginary book! Do they have no respect for your imaginary genius? The nerve.
 
2013-03-06 11:14:17 AM

felching pen: Correction, the column is from 2004. Way past its expiration date. It is also BNPH (Before Neil Patrick Harris), so all the arguments may be invalid.


He joined NOM's board of directors in 2009 and, as far as I know, is still on it.
 
2013-03-06 11:21:02 AM

Slaves2Darkness: So? Authors are just D list celebrity pieces of shiat. Card, Martin, King, Jordan, etc... all of them scumbags who have a little bit of talent to tell popular tales that the masses of mouth-breathing idiots love.


2/10  You got a few bites but overall it felt forced.
 
2013-03-06 11:32:29 AM

The Martian Manhandler: Jim_Callahan: ...the Alvin Maker series, which if you haven't read it is literally a retelling of the mythological life of Joseph Smith.

I was actually really enjoying the Tales of Alvin Maker. It had an interesting setting of the early American frontier where folk magic worked, and I could easily overlook the real-world religious aspects, seeing as how  close religion is to fantasy anyways. However, after 9/11, Card became an enormous dick-bag, and I lost any interest in continuing reading the series.


I wasn't meaning to imply that it was bad.  It's an actual retelling of the mythology and the theology in a weird sword and sorcery context/setting, and, being one of his earlier endeavours, the religion bat is pretty well foam-swathed in at least the earlier books.  He's less focused on the "gay folk are going to hell, and you should accept jesus as you personal crystal dragon space savior" and more on "and then the prophet forged a magical well-digging shovel guided by the very hand of god to smite the golden caterpillars from their ivory thrones upon mount Doom, ending the thousand-year-rein of the time-traveling Sith army of Hitler clones, who as we know have nibbled the soul of Kal-El since the Vorlons sprinkled the hypercube with their mystica gene-seed"*.

And it turns out, religious mythology, being significantly crazier than most modern coherent storytelling, makes for some truly awesome pulp fantasy.  I'd put up through book four or so on par with Dune, which was doing the same thing with a different religious text (the Sunna) and a different pulp genre (Space Opera).

*Slightly exaggerated.  Slightly.  It's pretty damned trippy, is what I'm saying here.
 
2013-03-06 11:40:04 AM

Dr.Zom: cgraves67: Disposable Rob: cgraves67: I've also seem a lot of stories get burned by bad interpretation on the part of screenwriters and directors. If I ever get a novel written and optioned for a movie, I'll be darn sure to have the contract stipulate that I can pull the plug on the whole deal if I don't like the way the project is being handled. It would be better to scuttle a bad movie than to allow it to mar your creation.

The only way to have that kind of control is to be a producer/writer of the adaptation like Robert Kirkman or George R.R. Martin and even then I doubt they can just pull the plug. I'd rather be Stephen King and make millions off of adaptaitons and not really care if they're any good if I can continue to write my own work. Hell, I'd take William Gibson's neverending Neuromancer-getting-optioned-again money.

Not me. I'm not in writing for the money. If Hollywood wants to make a movie with one of my works, they have to dance to my tune. I don't have any burning desire to see my work on the big screen. If they want it bad enough they can do it with my oversight. I'll not be beholden to them.

Yeah, you tell 'em! How dare imaginary film executives tinker with your imaginary book! Do they have no respect for your imaginary genius? The nerve.


Hey! All he's saying is, that if it ever happens, he'll push for and get a better deal from the studios than they give minor talents like Vladimir Nabokov.
 
2013-03-06 11:52:02 AM

jso2897: Dr.Zom: cgraves67: Disposable Rob: cgraves67: I've also seem a lot of stories get burned by bad interpretation on the part of screenwriters and directors. If I ever get a novel written and optioned for a movie, I'll be darn sure to have the contract stipulate that I can pull the plug on the whole deal if I don't like the way the project is being handled. It would be better to scuttle a bad movie than to allow it to mar your creation.

The only way to have that kind of control is to be a producer/writer of the adaptation like Robert Kirkman or George R.R. Martin and even then I doubt they can just pull the plug. I'd rather be Stephen King and make millions off of adaptaitons and not really care if they're any good if I can continue to write my own work. Hell, I'd take William Gibson's neverending Neuromancer-getting-optioned-again money.

Not me. I'm not in writing for the money. If Hollywood wants to make a movie with one of my works, they have to dance to my tune. I don't have any burning desire to see my work on the big screen. If they want it bad enough they can do it with my oversight. I'll not be beholden to them.

Yeah, you tell 'em! How dare imaginary film executives tinker with your imaginary book! Do they have no respect for your imaginary genius? The nerve.

Hey! All he's saying is, that if it ever happens, he'll push for and get a better deal from the studios than they give minor talents like Vladimir Nabokov.


Even Nabokov was just a writer.
 
2013-03-06 12:10:41 PM

Jim_Callahan: The Martian Manhandler: Jim_Callahan: ...the Alvin Maker series, which if you haven't read it is literally a retelling of the mythological life of Joseph Smith.

I was actually really enjoying the Tales of Alvin Maker. It had an interesting setting of the early American frontier where folk magic worked, and I could easily overlook the real-world religious aspects, seeing as how  close religion is to fantasy anyways. However, after 9/11, Card became an enormous dick-bag, and I lost any interest in continuing reading the series.

I wasn't meaning to imply that it was bad.


I wasn't implying that you were ;) Just throwing my personal take on OSC's work into the mix.
 
2013-03-06 12:18:22 PM

jso2897: Dr.Zom: cgraves67: Disposable Rob: cgraves67: I've also seem a lot of stories get burned by bad interpretation on the part of screenwriters and directors. If I ever get a novel written and optioned for a movie, I'll be darn sure to have the contract stipulate that I can pull the plug on the whole deal if I don't like the way the project is being handled. It would be better to scuttle a bad movie than to allow it to mar your creation.

The only way to have that kind of control is to be a producer/writer of the adaptation like Robert Kirkman or George R.R. Martin and even then I doubt they can just pull the plug. I'd rather be Stephen King and make millions off of adaptaitons and not really care if they're any good if I can continue to write my own work. Hell, I'd take William Gibson's neverending Neuromancer-getting-optioned-again money.

Not me. I'm not in writing for the money. If Hollywood wants to make a movie with one of my works, they have to dance to my tune. I don't have any burning desire to see my work on the big screen. If they want it bad enough they can do it with my oversight. I'll not be beholden to them.

Yeah, you tell 'em! How dare imaginary film executives tinker with your imaginary book! Do they have no respect for your imaginary genius? The nerve.

Hey! All he's saying is, that if it ever happens, he'll push for and get a better deal from the studios than they give minor talents like Vladimir Nabokov.


F♥ck that!

Now, with my first book, I'd be hesitant to let them screw it up on screen, but then the size of the paycheck and how long I could live on it would have a strong bearing on whether or not I signed a contract to make a shiatty film version of what I've written.

As Stephen King said when asked about film versions that "ruin" his books, "They may not be good movies but they haven't ruined the books. Look here they are, lined up on the bookshelf."

So even a bad movie is good advertising, which means more royalties. I'm not in it for the money, either, but money is nice. Having money means I can focus on writing instead of rent.
 
2013-03-06 12:18:35 PM

Slaves2Darkness: Epicedion: Slaves2Darkness: So? Authors are just D list celebrity pieces of shiat. Card, Martin, King, Jordan, etc... all of them scumbags who have a little bit of talent to tell popular tales that the masses of mouth-breathing idiots love.

You know who else hated books?

Only a dumbass would consider denigrating popular trash as hating books, but hey I'm sure you whack off to that snooze fest that is the Game of Thrones. It is pretty sad what passes for literary entertainment.


I'm sure your 2800 page novelization of the sexual proclivities of a slice of key lime pie during the boxer rebellion will be recognized as the literary masterpiece and voice of an entire generation of pie enthusiast one day, one day. The proles will never recognize the genius of your juxtaposition of the meringue/semen connection.
 
2013-03-06 12:26:29 PM
I was preparing to finally reading Ender's Game - the box set of the first four books in the series was on my Amazon wishlist - so I could have read it before the movie came out.  I'm glad I saw this so now I can not bother.

Seriously, you think of science fiction writers generally being more enlightened and intelligent, so this is a real shame.
 
2013-03-06 01:14:47 PM
Artist who was working with Orson Scott Card on a Superman comic drops out of the project because of Card's outrageous homophobia   homo-boner. I mean really, he didn't think we noticed? Card's so deep in he's found Narnia!
 
jvl
2013-03-06 02:17:37 PM
Let's be clear: Orson Scott Card believes that being gay is a natural condition and is how God made some people through evolution. He used to routinely include gay characters (good luck spotting them -- like most heteros, gays don't loudly announce what kind of meat they like to boink). He thinks discrimination against gays should be outlawed.

His religion teaches that gays may not marry. Unlike some Protestant religions and more like Catholicism, his religion teaches that you much accept certain scriptures. To rationalize the obvious science that gays exist with this teaching, he interprets the scripture as saying that gays can, if they choose, marry women and procreate.

So of course many want to call him a bigot and lynch him.

Seriously people, there are people out there who hate gays.  Let's worry about them!
 
2013-03-06 02:20:37 PM
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Comic book trivia fun fact:  1930's Superman had a vagina.
 
2013-03-06 02:26:46 PM

jvl: Let's be clear: Orson Scott Card believes that being gay is a natural condition and is how God made some people through evolution. He used to routinely include gay characters (good luck spotting them -- like most heteros, gays don't loudly announce what kind of meat they like to boink). He thinks discrimination against gays should be outlawed.

His religion teaches that gays may not marry. Unlike some Protestant religions and more like Catholicism, his religion teaches that you much accept certain scriptures. To rationalize the obvious science that gays exist with this teaching, he interprets the scripture as saying that gays can, if they choose, marry women and procreate.

So of course many want to call him a bigot and lynch him.

Seriously people, there are people out there who hate gays.  Let's worry about them!


No. No that is not the issue I and others have with him at all. He IS a bigot.

Behold!  http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2004-02-15-1.html

And he's an asshat. But, I don't want to lynch him, I just don't want to give him any of my pennies. MY GAAAAAAAAAAAY pennies.
 
2013-03-06 02:27:20 PM

jvl: Let's be clear: Orson Scott Card believes that being gay is a natural condition and is how God made some people through evolution. He used to routinely include gay characters (good luck spotting them -- like most heteros, gays don't loudly announce what kind of meat they like to boink). He thinks discrimination against gays should be outlawed.

His religion teaches that gays may not marry. Unlike some Protestant religions and more like Catholicism, his religion teaches that you much accept certain scriptures. To rationalize the obvious science that gays exist with this teaching, he interprets the scripture as saying that gays can, if they choose, marry women and procreate.

So of course many want to call him a bigot and lynch him.

Seriously people, there are people out there who hate gays.  Let's worry about them!


When I read about this, there was a link to this piece written by him (http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2004-02-15-1.html) and in it he sounds just like all the other bigots.  He uses the old "Gays *can* marry - just not each other" argument, he says that gay marriage destroys the institution of marriage and that the ability to reproduce is vital to marriage.

Granted, this is an old piece, so he may have been developing these ideas, rather than parroting them, but that means either A) he's embraced the stupid arguments used by bigots everywhere, or B) he's provided bigots everywhere with a series of stupid arguments.  Both scenarios are equally effective at demonstrating that he is a repugnant piece of shiat who deserves to be hatred.
 
2013-03-06 02:28:59 PM
Lady Indica beat me to providing that link...  but I would be happy to lynch him.  I'll have to settle for keeping my pennies.  (Not gay, so... my tolerant pennies?)
 
2013-03-06 02:29:51 PM

idesofmarch: I was preparing to finally reading Ender's Game - the box set of the first four books in the series was on my Amazon wishlist - so I could have read it before the movie came out.  I'm glad I saw this so now I can not bother.

Seriously, you think of science fiction writers generally being more enlightened and intelligent, so this is a real shame.


I would still encourage you to read Ender's Game, regardless of Card's personal views.
 
2013-03-06 02:30:41 PM

qorkfiend: idesofmarch: I was preparing to finally reading Ender's Game - the box set of the first four books in the series was on my Amazon wishlist - so I could have read it before the movie came out.  I'm glad I saw this so now I can not bother.

Seriously, you think of science fiction writers generally being more enlightened and intelligent, so this is a real shame.

I would still encourage you to read Ender's Game, regardless of Card's personal views.


Ender's Game is an excellent book worth reading. Your local library probably has a copy, and then he does not get your pennies.
 
jvl
2013-03-06 02:35:58 PM

idesofmarch: When I read about this, there was a link to this piece written by him (http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2004-02-15-1.html) and in it he sounds just like all the other bigots.  He uses the old "Gays *can* marry - just not each other" argument, he says that gay marriage destroys the institution of marriage and that the ability to reproduce is vital to marriage.


No, he uses the "Gays can marry argument just not with each other", but that is the sole extent of his anti-homesexuality.  And as I said, it's because he belongs to a Church which includes absolutist beliefs.

This is not the enemy you are looking for.
 
2013-03-06 02:41:55 PM

qorkfiend: idesofmarch: I was preparing to finally reading Ender's Game - the box set of the first four books in the series was on my Amazon wishlist - so I could have read it before the movie came out.  I'm glad I saw this so now I can not bother.

Seriously, you think of science fiction writers generally being more enlightened and intelligent, so this is a real shame.

I would still encourage you to read Ender's Game, regardless of Card's personal views.


I know the book is supposed to be good, but when I dislike a person (writer, musician, actor etc.) I make a point of not giving them any of my time.  I rarely make exceptions, and Card has not earned one.  If he realizes he was brainwashed by bigots, changes his views and publicly acknowledges his mistakes, then I will gladly reverse my position and read the series.
 
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