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2013-03-06 09:06:25 AM
heh.  Purple Buttocks.
 
2013-03-06 09:57:21 AM
Stupid "award".
Next up. Medals for cleaning your plate, wearing clean underwear and going outside to fart.
 
2013-03-06 10:37:07 AM
Those medals would make an interesting photoshop contest
 
2013-03-06 10:55:40 AM
I didn't realize medals had an official ranking order.

"But placement of the new medal in ahead of the Bronze Star and Purple Heart, which are given for valor in the line of fire, has created significant stir. "

Yeah. If you're going to have some medals more officially superior to other medals, it's pretty crass to put one that rewards the recipient who had little chance of personal harm ahead of recipients that did risk (and many times lost) their life and/or health.

Sounds like a short-lived bureaucratic pants-on-head stupid thing that gets corrected fast because it's just a no-brainer to change it.
 
2013-03-06 10:59:12 AM
I wonder if they'll make it illegal to mock anyone wearing one of those.
 
2013-03-06 11:19:54 AM
I preferred "The Grand Order of the Cheeto" title
 
2013-03-06 11:21:01 AM
i2.listal.com

John Slade: What these fancy medals for?

Jack Spade: Well, this one's for, shorthand. And, uh, this one over here is for typing, And, uh, this is for surfing.
 
2013-03-06 11:24:56 AM

jehovahs witness protection: Stupid "award".
Next up. Medals for cleaning your plate, wearing clean underwear and going outside to fart.


It's called a Good Conduct Medal.
 
2013-03-06 11:26:54 AM
Sponsored by new Mountain Dew Extreme Red Rage.
 
2013-03-06 11:34:41 AM
Being a service member, in the Air Force, I really have no problem with this medal though I do question it's placement above the purple heart. (Military medals are ranked, which is how we determine the order they are displayed on our uniforms, among other reasons.)  Just because a drone pilot isn't actually in the theater conducting operations doesn't make his duty, or the results, any less important than actual pilots who are flying over the battlefields they're involved in: they save lives, kill enemy combatants, etc.  While they don't risk any physical harm to themselves, the emotional and mental effects can be just as bad, if not worse, as a result of their disconnectedness of their actions. I'm sure a lot of people might think they wouldn't have any problem pushing a button and killing someone on the other side of the world, or wouldn't mind having to watch strangers go about their daily lives.  But the fact is that the people who have to do these things in the line of service don't always come out better for it, often suffering from PTSD without ever setting foot on a battlefield, and they typically don't get a lot of recognition for their work.  So go ahead and give them a medal, no matter how trivial it seems to those on the outside, it could mean a lot for those who receive it. There are all sorts of articles online describing the effects their duties have on drone pilots, it might be worth someone's time to check them out.  This is one I found after about 15 seconds of searching:  http://rw303.net/index.php?option=com_idoblog&task=viewpost&id=118&It e mid=98
 
2013-03-06 11:37:15 AM
I want mechas, damn it!.

/Then again
//Why make expensive giant suits when we can kill via remote control?
 
2013-03-06 11:50:11 AM

SealMan: Being a service member, in the Air Force, I really have no problem with this medal though I do question it's placement above the purple heart.


Yeah, if anything it should just sit right along side that "Air Force Achievement Medal"

/which I got for sitting around freezing my ass off in southern Siberia during the fall/winter of 02-03
//but it's very shiny
 
2013-03-06 12:04:02 PM
Do mechanics in the services receive medals like this? Although I have never served I would imagine they have similar risk factors as drone pilots when it comes to combat.
 
2013-03-06 12:12:41 PM
The extra-judiciary execution medal
 
2013-03-06 12:14:25 PM
i146.photobucket.com

/Oblig?
 
2013-03-06 12:22:10 PM
I dunno, You gotta give these guys some recognition because you know the first test for drone pilots is landing on the carrier in NES Top Gun.
 
2013-03-06 12:22:42 PM

SealMan: Being a service member, in the Air Force, I really have no problem with this medal though I do question it's placement above the purple heart. (Military medals are ranked, which is how we determine the order they are displayed on our uniforms, among other reasons.)  Just because a drone pilot isn't actually in the theater conducting operations doesn't make his duty, or the results, any less important than actual pilots who are flying over the battlefields they're involved in: they save lives, kill enemy combatants, etc.  While they don't risk any physical harm to themselves, the emotional and mental effects can be just as bad, if not worse, as a result of their disconnectedness of their actions. I'm sure a lot of people might think they wouldn't have any problem pushing a button and killing someone on the other side of the world, or wouldn't mind having to watch strangers go about their daily lives.  But the fact is that the people who have to do these things in the line of service don't always come out better for it, often suffering from PTSD without ever setting foot on a battlefield, and they typically don't get a lot of recognition for their work.  So go ahead and give them a medal, no matter how trivial it seems to those on the outside, it could mean a lot for those who receive it. There are all sorts of articles online describing the effects their duties have on drone pilots, it might be worth someone's time to check them out.  This is one I found after about 15 seconds of searching:  http://rw303.net/index.php?option=com_idoblog&task=viewpost&id=118&It e mid=98


How can you kill women and children?

It's easy, you just don't lead them as much.
 
2013-03-06 12:25:22 PM
They should at least have a seperate medal for killing Americans in the US.

That medal should rank higher 'cause Americans are such bad azzes.
 
2013-03-06 12:34:47 PM
Just replace future drone strikes with infantry raids and we'll get a lot more Purple Hearts to hand out.

/win-win.
 
2013-03-06 12:52:45 PM
I have no problem with recognizing the guys for a job well done. I do have a problem with ranking it above people who also killed people in combat but didn't have the luxury of doing it from 1,000 miles away. It could still rank equal or higher than the awards given for unit achievements, including presidential awards, which are in my opinion pretty hard to earn as it is and usually involve great personal risk but no injury. Unless it gets downgraded to below the Purple Heart the people who wear this medal will be derided (at least in private) for wearing it and that's not right either.
 
2013-03-06 12:53:51 PM
Casuals.
 
2013-03-06 01:02:22 PM

SealMan: While they don't risk any physical harm to themselves, the emotional and mental effects can be just as bad, if not worse, as a result of their disconnectedness of their actions.


Be sure to tell that to the next veteran you see with both his legs blown off by an IED, because his torment is purely physical, right?
 
2013-03-06 01:02:44 PM

DVDave: I dunno, You gotta give these guys some recognition because you know the first test for drone pilots is landing on the carrier in NES Top Gun.


Thanks jerk....now I will have that 8-bit soundtrack stuck in my head for the rest of this afternoon...
 
2013-03-06 01:29:09 PM
A two in bronze medallion? How classy.

Heck of a job, Droney.
 
2013-03-06 01:31:29 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-06 01:31:47 PM

Nuclear Monk: DVDave: I dunno, You gotta give these guys some recognition because you know the first test for drone pilots is landing on the carrier in NES Top Gun.

Thanks jerk....now I will have that 8-bit soundtrack stuck in my head for the rest of this afternoon...


C'mon, it's not like I linked a video with music or anything!
 
2013-03-06 01:42:06 PM

StopLurkListen: I didn't realize medals had an official ranking order.

"But placement of the new medal in ahead of the Bronze Star and Purple Heart, which are given for valor in the line of fire, has created significant stir. "

Yeah. If you're going to have some medals more officially superior to other medals, it's pretty crass to put one that rewards the recipient who had little chance of personal harm ahead of recipients that did risk (and many times lost) their life and/or health.

Sounds like a short-lived bureaucratic pants-on-head stupid thing that gets corrected fast because it's just a no-brainer to change it.


Yeah, there's a ranking system. Seems really odd they would have put it so high. I mean sure they're killing folks, but above a Purple Heart and Bronze Star? I'd have thrown it just about the same rank as the ARCOM (Army Commendation Medal) or equal rank for whatever service.
 
2013-03-06 01:46:16 PM

Dingleberry Dickwad: Yeah, there's a ranking system. Seems really odd they would have put it so high. I mean sure they're killing folks, but above a Purple Heart and Bronze Star? I'd have thrown it just about the same rank as the ARCOM (Army Commendation Medal) or equal rank for whatever service.


31. Korean Service Medal
32. Antarctica Service Medal
33. Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal
34. Vietnam Service Medal


Might just be me, but a bunch some of these others seem off too.
 
2013-03-06 01:56:20 PM
I'd put this medal just under the Air Medal. It's a direct combat mission, after all, and the Air Medal is for operations in the combat theater which do not necessarily involve actual combat. Possibly, rather than a special new medal, they could continue to use the Air Medal, but put an R or a D on it, designating remote or drone. That would put it in line with other medals which use an M to distinguish Mobility operations from immediate combat operations.

I wonder if medals are given to the folks who launch and guide Tomahawk missiles? That would be a better comparison.
 
2013-03-06 02:05:43 PM

insano: SealMan: While they don't risk any physical harm to themselves, the emotional and mental effects can be just as bad, if not worse, as a result of their disconnectedness of their actions.

Be sure to tell that to the next veteran you see with both his legs blown off by an IED, because his torment is purely physical, right?


That's a pretty big leap to take there. I'm in no way trying to discount the sacrifices of those on the front lines, just trying to stop the trivialization of another aspect of combat operations that the military is involved in.  I hear the same stuff happen all the time with just about any job in the military.  Sure, some jobs have more impact than others, but they're all important and everyone deserves recognition, and it's good to see people are trying to recognize those in a relatively new, and not yet fully understood, career field.
 
2013-03-06 03:29:45 PM

SealMan: I really have no problem with this medal though I do question it's placement above the purple heart.


Looking at the wiki page for awards and decorations of the US Army, it makes perfect sense.

It has the lowest rank of any of the distinguished service medals, but it ranks above all the medals that don't require actual participation in combat. Which includes the Bronze Star and the Purple Heart.
 
2013-03-06 03:31:33 PM

SealMan: insano: SealMan: While they don't risk any physical harm to themselves, the emotional and mental effects can be just as bad, if not worse, as a result of their disconnectedness of their actions.

Be sure to tell that to the next veteran you see with both his legs blown off by an IED, because his torment is purely physical, right?

That's a pretty big leap to take there. I'm in no way trying to discount the sacrifices of those on the front lines, just trying to stop the trivialization of another aspect of combat operations that the military is involved in.  I hear the same stuff happen all the time with just about any job in the military.  Sure, some jobs have more impact than others, but they're all important and everyone deserves recognition, and it's good to see people are trying to recognize those in a relatively new, and not yet fully understood, career field.


I imagine its hard to sleep after you have blown up yet another Pakistani wedding party.

Or maybe not. Psychopaths never have trouble sleeping after killing.
 
2013-03-06 03:46:32 PM

StopLurkListen: I didn't realize medals had an official ranking order.

"But placement of the new medal in ahead of the Bronze Star and Purple Heart, which are given for valor in the line of fire, has created significant stir. "

Yeah. If you're going to have some medals more officially superior to other medals, it's pretty crass to put one that rewards the recipient who had little chance of personal harm ahead of recipients that did risk (and many times lost) their life and/or health.

Sounds like a short-lived bureaucratic pants-on-head stupid thing that gets corrected fast because it's just a no-brainer to change it.


www.neatorama.com
 
2013-03-06 04:00:01 PM
All the services have commendation and achievement medals.  Why cant they just issue those instead of a new medal?
 
2013-03-06 04:00:21 PM
Just give them a level up and call it a day.
 
2013-03-06 04:19:39 PM

Axel_Gear: All the services have commendation and achievement medals.  Why cant they just issue those instead of a new medal?


Well you wouldn't want to use the achievement medal because that's commonly given to E-4's and below for doing really well during field exercises or deployments (at least they were in the units I was in). The commendation medal was typically given to E-6's and sometimes E-5's and rarely E-4's for performance during an exercise or deployment. Mind you this was for the Army, and that was over 10 years ago now, so things may have changed.

Now that I'm thinking about it, they should make it similar to a drivers/mechanics type badge, or the Combat Infantry/Expert Infantry badge. Make it so they need to log x hours piloting one before getting a badge, and a separate one for getting a kill with one. Makes more sense than a medal.
 
2013-03-06 04:58:42 PM
Drone Airstrike/kill medal: Wings of death in a bathrobe.
 
2013-03-06 05:02:00 PM
Damn. I shoulda figgered SOMEONE would come in with the Death Wears Bunny Slippers thing.
 
2013-03-06 05:04:47 PM
Hey, those guys could spill their Mountain Dew on the keyboard while still typing on it and get electrocuted.
 
2013-03-06 07:06:00 PM
yet internet hunting is frowned on...
 
2013-03-06 07:44:09 PM
i181.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-06 07:52:41 PM

Riche: [i181.photobucket.com image 720x404]


Those quips don't lie
 
2013-03-06 07:56:50 PM

Fano: Riche: [i181.photobucket.com image 720x404]

Those quips don't lie


What you did there... I see it.
 
2013-03-06 08:31:41 PM
I thought the Distinguished Flying Cross was is a punch you threw in a bar brawl.
 
2013-03-06 09:36:35 PM

studebaker hoch: I thought the Distinguished Flying Cross was is a punch you threw in a bar snooty bookclub brawl.


FTFA
 
2013-03-07 10:07:47 AM
Obama got a peace prize, so why shouldn't those guys get a medal for using his death toys
Don't worry though he won't use them on Americans, well at least not in America, well at least not in your state, well at least not in your city, well at least not on your street, well...
 
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