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(Popular Mechanics)   Twenty miles west of 2000-year-old Seoul, South Korea, lies a brand-new city built on algorithms and LEED certifications. The future is NOW   (popularmechanics.com) divider line 51
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2013-03-06 09:32:20 AM  
Is this before or after a million north koreans plow through south korea?
 
2013-03-06 09:34:23 AM  
i.imgur.com

Yeah, that's what they said about Brasilia. High modernist utopias. There is something noble in the attempt, and yet the criticism remains that "Nothing dates faster than people's fantasies about the future. " Perhaps the emphasis on eco-living is the stable datum for this paradigm, and one imposed by external necessity rather than internal modernist fantasies.
 
2013-03-06 09:58:31 AM  
I've been listening to Taleb's "Antifragile" and there's this point about really old cities being capable of going on for the rest of time because they've proven to be the right city.

The desert is full of ruins that were built by people who thought they were creating the city of the future.
 
2013-03-06 10:54:20 AM  

wildcardjack: The desert is full of ruins that were built by people who thought they were creating the city of the future.


Or military camps that people thought would be good cities after the soldiers left
 
2013-03-06 10:56:46 AM  
For  a city to thrive it needs to function as a transportation hub to other cities. I know nothing about Korean geography so have no idea here. But in any event it's a wonderful experiment. I am glad they are putting these ideas into practice. I think of these cities as little laboratories. We will all learn a lot about building development because of it.
 
2013-03-06 11:28:04 AM  
All this, and only 9 minutes (by missile) from Best Korea!
 
2013-03-06 11:28:26 AM  

wildcardjack: I've been listening to Taleb's "Antifragile" and there's this point about really old cities being capable of going on for the rest of time because they've proven to be the right city.

The desert is full of ruins that were built by people who thought they were creating the city of the future.


Ozymandias

I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed:
And on the pedestal these words appear:
"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away
 
2013-03-06 11:38:27 AM  

Elzar: Is this before or after a million north koreans plow through south korea?


Came here to make a 'before the NorKors blow it up' joke, see it's been covered.
 
2013-03-06 11:45:30 AM  
"Already populated by more than 25,000 people..."

Oh wait, people live there? It won't last. You know we can't have nice things.
 
2013-03-06 11:46:53 AM  

quickdraw: For  a city to thrive it needs to function as a transportation hub to other cities.


Not necessarily. Some cities are transportation hubs, some are manufacturing centers, some are tech centers, some are shipping hubs. It needs to have connections with other cities, but uit doesn't HAVE to be a transportation hub specifically...
 
2013-03-06 11:53:36 AM  

cgraves67: And on the pedestal these words appear:
"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!

Nothing beside remains."

Did anyone else hear this in Leonard Nimoy's voice?

/Civ addict
 
2013-03-06 11:56:10 AM  
yay leed certifications!  lets pay 100k for a plaque!

/cga
//its a scam, but make the practices code
 
2013-03-06 11:57:16 AM  
I will just stick with my city that was built on Rock and Roll!

/Guitar solo...
 
2013-03-06 12:04:09 PM  
This would be nice to have: no garbage trucks because the waste is moved via pneumatic tube.  I wonder if each home is connected, or just the larger buildings.
 
2013-03-06 12:13:39 PM  

thecpt: yay leed certifications!  lets pay 100k for a plaque!

/cga
//its a scam, but make the practices code


Amen brother (or sister).
 
2013-03-06 12:14:18 PM  
blogs.amctv.com
 
2013-03-06 12:15:37 PM  
 
2013-03-06 12:16:54 PM  
That's nice and all but the whole place still smells like kimchi.
 
2013-03-06 12:17:07 PM  

Somacandra: [i.imgur.com image 640x800]

Yeah, that's what they said about Brasilia. High modernist utopias. There is something noble in the attempt, and yet the criticism remains that "Nothing dates faster than people's fantasies about the future. " Perhaps the emphasis on eco-living is the stable datum for this paradigm, and one imposed by external necessity rather than internal modernist fantasies.


This. Brasilia was great, but they never figured the people that were working on the project were going to stay there. Now there's favelas all over.

/My guess that city will turn into a cyberpunk reenactment
 
2013-03-06 12:17:42 PM  

Shazam999: That's nice and all but the whole place still smells like kimchi.


You say it like it's a bad thing.
 
2013-03-06 12:29:01 PM  

Elzar: Is this before or after a million north koreans plow through south korea?


It'll never happen. South Korea's new president has to face a deadlock and unmanageable administration, a very fractured national parliament, an extremely disenfranchised minority among the population, and a very unstable national economy. North Korea doesn't need to invade South Korea at this point. Long story short, South Korea is slowly destroying itself without firing a single gun.

quickdraw: For  a city to thrive it needs to function as a transportation hub to other cities. I know nothing about Korean geography so have no idea here. But in any event it's a wonderful experiment. I am glad they are putting these ideas into practice. I think of these cities as little laboratories. We will all learn a lot about building development because of it.


Songdo is right next to Incheon Int'l Airport and Seoul. Songdo is trying to attract many foreign companies and capitals because 90% of top-tier economic activities in South Korea are in Seoul. It needs a separate financial district for international trade. Based on my 2 years of experience in South Korea and info from my closest associates, around 40% of social problems in that strange Asian country stemmed from third-world style urban planning thanks to unguided real estate development.

South Korea is a strange country. Most people live in condominiums that look very similar to resident areas in former Communist countries. In my honest opinion, the general collectivist attitudes among South Koreans makes me think that they are not different from North Koreans. After all, the national leaders of both Koreas are either a daughter of a dictator or a son of a dictator.

/spouse's relatives are in South Korea
//planning to settle in Canada thanks to numerous reasons
 
2013-03-06 12:37:34 PM  

Pentaxian: cgraves67: And on the pedestal these words appear:
"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!
Nothing beside remains."

Did anyone else hear this in Leonard Nimoy's voice?

/Civ addict


The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the expanding needs of the bureaucracy.
 
2013-03-06 01:09:51 PM  

SweetHomeNowhere: quickdraw: For a city to thrive it needs to function as a transportation hub to other cities. I know nothing about Korean geography so have no idea here. But in any event it's a wonderful experiment. I am glad they are putting these ideas into practice. I think of these cities as little laboratories. We will all learn a lot about building development because of it.

Songdo is right next to Incheon Int'l Airport and Seoul. Songdo is trying to attract many foreign companies and capitals because 90% of top-tier economic activities in South Korea are in Seoul. It needs a separate financial district for international trade. Based on my 2 years of experience in South Korea and info from my closest associates, around 40% of social problems in that strange Asian country stemmed from third-world style urban planning thanks to unguided real estate development.


It sounds like a great experiment in starting up a new city.
Do it right from the beginning.

Like Chicago after the Great Fire.
Build a two-tier downtown one for residents the other for manufacturing shipping to keep traffic down.
Clean up the garbage into alleys.

The photos of their civil centers look great too.
I'm all for South Korea. They make good cars (Hyundai) and are all internet connected, educated, west-friendly, etc.
So they've got my vote as a cool country to watch.
 
2013-03-06 01:14:21 PM  

thecpt: yay leed certifications!  lets pay 100k for a plaque!

/cga
//its a scam, but make the practices code


I'm not gonna say a guy running the show is going to completely overlook the shiat in the plans that make stuff LEED certified if other stuff works better and easier and you can hide it, but...
 
2013-03-06 01:36:12 PM  
FTA:

 4. Garbage trucks.

Waste is removed via pneumatic tubes linked to all buildings and along streets and parks.



Yeah, good luck with that.
 
2013-03-06 01:58:06 PM  
Old news(it's at the end)....


Ubiquitous Computing: Big Brother's All-Seeing Eye - Part 1  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I3T_kLCBAw

P2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKZm34jsNHY
 
2013-03-06 02:06:59 PM  
South Korea seems to be taking it's SimCity addiction to a new level.
 
2013-03-06 02:08:23 PM  

Pentaxian: cgraves67: And on the pedestal these words appear:
"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!
Nothing beside remains."

Did anyone else hear this in Leonard Nimoy's voice?

/Civ addict


Raises hand.
 
2013-03-06 02:17:20 PM  

cgraves67: Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away


Our paths of glory lead but to the grave.

/look upon the unvarnished truth
//and lament
 
2013-03-06 02:23:09 PM  
An aerial view...
images3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-03-06 02:49:28 PM  

martissimo: thecpt: yay leed certifications!  lets pay 100k for a plaque!

/cga
//its a scam, but make the practices code

I'm not gonna say a guy running the show is going to completely overlook the shiat in the plans that make stuff LEED certified if other stuff works better and easier and you can hide it, but...


Well the good thing about leed is most of it is design.  You can't scam there.  The waste mgmt and source of materials you could scam, but for a gc or cm to do it and pull it off would take a lot of effort for hardly any gain.  I fully back green design.
 
2013-03-06 03:15:52 PM  

CygnusDarius: Shazam999: That's nice and all but the whole place still smells like kimchi.

You say it like it's a bad thing.


Also from TFA: Waste is removed via pneumatic tubes linked to all buildings and along streets and parks.

If you know how pneumatic pressure works, you know that someone, somewhere, has the smelliest job in all of Korea.
 
2013-03-06 03:23:12 PM  

cgraves67: wildcardjack: I've been listening to Taleb's "Antifragile" and there's this point about really old cities being capable of going on for the rest of time because they've proven to be the right city.

The desert is full of ruins that were built by people who thought they were creating the city of the future.

Ozymandias

I met a traveller from an antique land
....

Who said 'Six vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert
And on the pedestal these words appear
My name is Ozymandias, King of Ants
Look on my feelers, termites, and despair
I am the biggest ant you'll ever see
The ants of old weren't half as bold and big
And fierce as me'.
 
2013-03-06 03:35:50 PM  
FTFA "Waste is removed via pneumatic tubes linked to all buildings and along streets and parks."


Can this be far behind?


www.thenerdlist.com
 
2013-03-06 04:04:07 PM  

thecpt: Well the good thing about leed is most of it is design.  You can't scam there.  The waste mgmt and source of materials you could scam, but for a gc or cm to do it and pull it off would take a lot of effort for hardly any gain.  I fully back green design.


My experience on LEED projects is more on huge jobs where a GC would be hard pressed to keep up with all the details of what is happening with their subs.

/by huge i mean super massive, something in my profile would give it away
//all i'm sayin
 
2013-03-06 04:34:15 PM  

martissimo: My experience on LEED projects is more on huge jobs where a GC would be hard pressed to keep up with all the details of what is happening with their subs.


We did a small refit for GE and they specified their own lights
The sub tried to substitute
Not even joking.

Anyways, yeah LEED is putting a lot of faith in waste services.  Are we going to go to the dump and see what gets sorted into what bin?  fark no.  Whatever report comes off the line is what we believe it is.  I just think grey water reuse, energy and light conservation, and similar design features should be mandated on larger facilities.

/was lv supposed to be the give away
----->
my head
 
433 [TotalFark]
2013-03-06 04:46:20 PM  
It would be odd to live in a manufactured city with no history. Just sayin'.
 
2013-03-06 04:53:42 PM  

thecpt: /was lv supposed to be the give away
----->
my head


yeah, there are only so many 9 billion dollar projects here in town...
 
2013-03-06 05:00:15 PM  

martissimo: thecpt: /was lv supposed to be the give away
----->
my head

yeah, there are only so many 9 billion dollar projects here in town...


damn me and my stupid east coastness.  excuse me as I seek solace in average looking women in dark cold bars. (kicks snow)
 
2013-03-06 06:42:26 PM  

Ego edo infantia cattus: FTA:

 4. Garbage trucks.

Waste is removed via pneumatic tubes linked to all buildings and along streets and parks.


Yeah, good luck with that.


Seems to work at disney world. If they built the whole city on a platform like disney, it could work. Damned expensive though.
 
2013-03-06 06:54:42 PM  

El Dudereno: Ego edo infantia cattus: FTA:

 4. Garbage trucks.

Waste is removed via pneumatic tubes linked to all buildings and along streets and parks.


Yeah, good luck with that.

Seems to work at disney world. If they built the whole city on a platform like disney, it could work. Damned expensive though.



Why go so far as to build tubes at all?  All those cool buildings in Dubai?

" Sewage from areas of Dubai not connected to the municipal piped network at the time was collected daily from thousands of septic tanks across the city and driven by tankers to the city's only sewage treatment plant at Al-Awir. Because of the long queues and delays, some tanker drivers resorted to illegally dumping the effluent into "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanitation_in_Dubai#2009_Sewage_Issues
 
2013-03-06 07:01:28 PM  

stevetherobot: Pentaxian: cgraves67: And on the pedestal these words appear:
"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!
Nothing beside remains."

Did anyone else hear this in Leonard Nimoy's voice?

/Civ addict

Raises hand.


I must dissent
 
2013-03-06 07:12:23 PM  

BafflerMeal: Pruitt-Igoe


Courtesy of Netflix streaming, I saw a documentary on Pruitt-Igoe.  It was interesting, to say the least.  I kinda wonder if it wouldn't have fallen to complete shiat so quickly if they actually maintained the place properly.

Also, Philip Glass's Priut-Igoe from Koyaanisquatsi.
 
2013-03-06 08:30:11 PM  

Ego edo infantia cattus: FTA:

 4. Garbage trucks.

Waste is removed via pneumatic tubes linked to all buildings and along streets and parks.


Yeah, good luck with that.


I wonder how they plan to keep it from clogging up.  I know you aren't supposed to flush tampons because they can get stuck in plumbing, but are they going to tell you you're not supposed to throw them away either?
 
2013-03-06 10:08:06 PM  
Yes, it is beautiful. But it has no Seoul.
 
2013-03-07 01:01:53 AM  

SweetHomeNowhere: In my honest opinion, the general collectivist attitudes among South Koreans makes me think that they are not different from North Koreans. After all, the national leaders of both Koreas are either a daughter of a dictator or a son of a dictator.


Excellent point.

I worked for a very big South Korean "chaebol" back in the 90's. On one trip over there, I noticed their Founder's face plastered everywhere on corporate properties, as if he was some sort of living saint ( or god).....
 
2013-03-07 01:27:54 AM  

433: It would be odd to live in a manufactured city with no history. Just sayin'.


South Korea's good at that.  I went to a conference in '08 in Changwon.  Massive conference center, flanked by a Pullman hotel and a shopping mall - all of it constructed after '05.  I'm not sure what was there before it, but I walked over a hill one day and into a residential area, and it was like a different world... then I learned later that the entire city, current population a million, has only been there since 1974.

/They should build fake ruins of ancient civilizations or something.
 
2013-03-07 02:55:30 AM  
img13.imageshack.us
 
2013-03-07 05:58:28 AM  

Somacandra: "Nothing dates faster than people's fantasies about the future. "


www.hudsonfla.com

cache.gawkerassets.com
You're not kidding!
 
2013-03-07 09:38:10 AM  

Do the needful: I will just stick with my city that was built on Rock and Roll!

/Guitar solo...


Is it he city by the bay, the city that rocks, the city that never sleeps?
 
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