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(Politico)   Now the Democrats worry: Crap, Obama may have cried wolf a little. Baaaaaaad President   (politico.com) divider line 124
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2013-03-06 09:12:51 AM  
Don't worry, six months from now when the economy is sagging because of the sequester, nobody will remember any of this and it will once again be all the nibong's fault.
 
2013-03-06 09:13:22 AM  
Politicians over-hyping consequences solely to make political points?

Say it isn't so!
 
2013-03-06 09:13:37 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-06 09:15:10 AM  
A little?   That's like saying World War II was a small skirmish.

Is the sky still falling Chicken Little?
 
2013-03-06 09:17:15 AM  
Just wait 'till the furloughs & layoffs at defense contractors happen.  Defense is a huge chunk of the US manufacturing sector.
 
2013-03-06 09:18:57 AM  
I brought the toilet paper for all the thread shiatters to wipe with.... I'm sure they will be here any minute
 
2013-03-06 09:20:16 AM  
So one POS Blue Dog that nobody actually likes and three pages saying that most of the cuts are still coming as agencies are forced to put into motion plans they never wanted to do implement.
 
2013-03-06 09:20:27 AM  

CPennypacker: Don't worry, six months from now when the economy is sagging because of the sequester, nobody will remember any of this and it will once again be all the nibong's fault.


you kidding? Anyone affected by this is gonna remember and gonna make a stink about this come election time for these farkers. It's their fault we're in this mess, they're gonna get their asses handed to them in 2014

BillCo: A little?   That's like saying World War II was a small skirmish.

Is the sky still falling Chicken Little?


Well it's nice to know you're willing to pay my 20% pay cut I'm facing next month. Thanks!

I expect a bi-weekly check from you

/you know, since the sequester isn't going to do anything, anywhere
 
2013-03-06 09:22:20 AM  
Read some of the comments after the article.

Is this what Republicans do now? Do Republicans even work? You can't go anywhere on the internet without every comment section being packed with off topic Rush Limbaugh and Fox News talking points.

The most popular talking point is Obama stole the election. Is this all you Republicans have left? You just sit on the internet and complain about Obama? Really?
 
2013-03-06 09:23:53 AM  
A politician over exaggerates and finger points?! AAIIIGGGHHH!!!!
 
2013-03-06 09:24:10 AM  

Granny_Panties: The most popular talking point is Obama stole the election. Is this all you Republicans have left? You just sit on the internet and complain about Obama? Really?


look 5 comments up from yours and get back to me
 
2013-03-06 09:24:37 AM  
Look idiots, per union agreements and such, it takes thirty days from a decision to cut before the cuts happen. No personel have seen any cuts come into effect yet.

The gov cannot cancel existing contracts. Even those they could shouldn't be: it would be a terrible roi to pay for half a study or pay the business costs of half a product order when the company sues to be made whole.

Even if all the cuts were directly occurring right this second, nobody would see markets change as a direct result for months (not to be confused with the indirect result of scared investors crashing it).

Wtf is wrong with people. This shiat is obvious as hell.
 
2013-03-06 09:26:14 AM  

Smackledorfer: Wtf is wrong with people. This shiat is obvious as hell.


uhh obama bad, duh
 
2013-03-06 09:27:48 AM  
All I kept hearing was the shiat would begin in a month. Which makes perfect sense if you stop to think about how money moves.

Anyhoo, when the shiat does begin, they will also hit Obama on that.

It's another version of the "How come it's snowing if there is global warming" shuffle.
 
2013-03-06 09:27:50 AM  

BillCo: A little?   That's like saying World War II was a small skirmish.

Is the sky still falling Chicken Little?




So now it's no big deal, but it's still the presidents fault?

It's hard to keep up with the talking points since I don't get the daily memo you shills do.
 
2013-03-06 09:28:41 AM  
And this frog I've kept in this pot of water on the stove hasn't leapt out, so I assume the water's just fine.
 
2013-03-06 09:28:49 AM  

Smackledorfer: Wtf is wrong with people. This shiat is obvious as hell.


Reality and logic doesn't play well in the sticks.
 
2013-03-06 09:30:10 AM  

somedude210: Well it's nice to know you're willing to pay my 20% pay cut I'm facing next month. Thanks!


These cuts are weird.

My project, a government IT contract, continues as normal. My team is 100% working, and no one will be furloughed (since no one works for the Feds). My boss' boss, the one who makes all the things happen at the government level - approvals, authorizations, glad-handing, coordinating, etc - is the only one being furloughed.

So the work happens, but 20% of the employee who actually puts things in motion (as well as 20% of the people she has to deal with) is gone. And this is a Congressionally-funded and -mandated thing, here - we have real deadlines and benchmarks and stuff, and we have to do it with reduced capability. All so that after the boss' boss' 4-day weekends every other week, they return to do 6 days of work in 4.

For 20% less pay.

// and that, kids, is how you make a shiatton of money - demand productivity increases, pay your people less, and pocket the difference
// I hope the CR spells out where the $85B needs to come from, and they hack the red states' pork to pieces
// ironic - instead of "pork chops", the South'll be reduced to eating cracklins
 
2013-03-06 09:31:18 AM  

Smackledorfer: Look idiots, per union agreements and such, it takes thirty days from a decision to cut before the cuts happen. No personel have seen any cuts come into effect yet.

The gov cannot cancel existing contracts. Even those they could shouldn't be: it would be a terrible roi to pay for half a study or pay the business costs of half a product order when the company sues to be made whole.

Even if all the cuts were directly occurring right this second, nobody would see markets change as a direct result for months (not to be confused with the indirect result of scared investors crashing it).

Wtf is wrong with people. This shiat is obvious as hell.


I recall a recent article that had a quote that I think applies: "It is impossible to make a man understand something if his livelihood depends on not understanding it."
 
2013-03-06 09:31:40 AM  
All results happen instantly and nothing ever takes time to go into effect.
 
2013-03-06 09:32:35 AM  

Dr Dreidel: I hope the CR spells out where the $85B needs to come from, and they hack the red states' pork to pieces


Uh, sir, that's vital government spending on an investment that will surely pay off great dividends for real 'Murka. It's only wasteful, politics-as-usual, pork barrel spending when those people get money.
 
2013-03-06 09:32:57 AM  

BillCo: A little?   That's like saying World War II was a small skirmish.

Is the sky still falling Chicken Little?


ohnoes! Teh gheys want to marry!!!
 
2013-03-06 09:33:33 AM  
this stuff doesn't happen overnight. give it a few months and then you'll see he was right.  typical Derpublican drivel.
 
2013-03-06 09:33:34 AM  

Dr Dreidel: // and that, kids, is how you make a shiatton of money - demand productivity increases, pay your people less, and pocket the difference


you know, if the republicans actually advocated not doing this, then you'd actually decrease the demand/need for unions because the workforce wouldn't feel compelled to defend their right to a fair wage
 
2013-03-06 09:34:05 AM  
Did the president launch an attack on some poor nation like the last president did, a couple of times?
Or did he cut the taxes a few different ways because of the USA's large monetary surplus?
 
2013-03-06 09:34:58 AM  
A 100 gallon tank has 5 hoses attached to it, which each pull 1 gallon per hour out of the tank.  There's a pipe into the tank that pumps 5 gallons per hour into the tank.

If you reduce the flow into the tank to 4 gallons per hour, in 100 hours the tank will be empty.

This in no way describes the sequester, but it gives you a good frame of reference to understand how cuts at top of the supply level can take weeks or months to affect on-the-ground spending.
 
2013-03-06 09:37:02 AM  
Yeah, pretty much what a lot of us have been saying.  Iirc my post about it a couple weeks back was "yeah, it's not going to be pleasant, but ultimately the various agencies are expecting it at this point and they've dealt with less-than-one-percent cuts just fine in the past for the most part".  Or something like that.

I don't know that I explicitly stated that I thought Obama was playing his hand here, but... well, it's been pretty obvious that that's what he was doing, probably in an effort to force a real budget resolution.  "The sky is gonna fall unless you do what I want" followed by the sky just getting a bit misty with the occasional cloud is not really something new or exciting in politics.
 
2013-03-06 09:38:06 AM  

Hobodeluxe: this stuff doesn't happen overnight. give it a few months and then you'll see he was right.  typical Derpublican drivel.


A few months is the time they need to socially engineer America into believing that this is Obama's recession.  Watch for that line to start appearing in the media in the next week or two, as soon as the talking points make it past the focus groups.
 
2013-03-06 09:38:24 AM  
Step 1: Conservatives shills have been crying afoul over Benghazi
Step 2: Millions taken from overseas embassies from the sequester
Step 3: Conservatives are elated

/These farkers have no morals
 
2013-03-06 09:38:28 AM  

Bored Horde: A 100 gallon tank has 5 hoses attached to it, which each pull 1 gallon per hour out of the tank.  There's a pipe into the tank that pumps 5 gallons per hour into the tank.

If you reduce the flow into the tank to 4 gallons per hour, in 100 hours the tank will be empty.

This in no way describes the sequester, but it gives you a good frame of reference to understand how cuts at top of the supply level can take weeks or months to affect on-the-ground spending.


Stop it, you know as well as I do that maths has a well know liberal bias.
 
2013-03-06 09:39:18 AM  

Raharu: BillCo: A little?   That's like saying World War II was a small skirmish.

Is the sky still falling Chicken Little?

So now it's no big deal, but it's still the presidents fault?

It's hard to keep up with the talking points since I don't get the daily memo you shills do.


You sound tired.
 
2013-03-06 09:42:28 AM  

Dr Dreidel: somedude210: Well it's nice to know you're willing to pay my 20% pay cut I'm facing next month. Thanks!

These cuts are weird.

My project, a government IT contract, continues as normal. My team is 100% working, and no one will be furloughed (since no one works for the Feds). My boss' boss, the one who makes all the things happen at the government level - approvals, authorizations, glad-handing, coordinating, etc - is the only one being furloughed.

So the work happens, but 20% of the employee who actually puts things in motion (as well as 20% of the people she has to deal with) is gone. And this is a Congressionally-funded and -mandated thing, here - we have real deadlines and benchmarks and stuff, and we have to do it with reduced capability. All so that after the boss' boss' 4-day weekends every other week, they return to do 6 days of work in 4.

For 20% less pay.

// and that, kids, is how you make a shiatton of money - demand productivity increases, pay your people less, and pocket the difference
// I hope the CR spells out where the $85B needs to come from, and they hack the red states' pork to pieces
// ironic - instead of "pork chops", the South'll be reduced to eating cracklins


Yep.  A buddy of mine is a Pharmacist on an Army post.  80-90% of their workforce is Civil Service, but they have been mandated to not change their hours, service, or anything.  Just expected to make the green suits pick up the slack or work for free.

Personally, I'm on a full funded, non-severable contract.  Which sounds great until my workload jumps because the customer needs things done and can't work a full week.

The furloughs start in little over a month.  At that point, the first places that will notice in military towns will be restaurants because it'll be bag lunches.  Then it'll hit the retail joints because nobody has money.  The ripples go out from there.  Robins AFB supports business in something like 11 different states.  It's not going to be pretty in any of those small towns with one factory making airplane widgets.
 
2013-03-06 09:42:48 AM  
So "Obama said it would be the apocalypse!" has made the leap from comment forums to official strategery now. It's beautiful to watch the birth of a strawman.
 
2013-03-06 09:44:42 AM  

BillCo: A little?   That's like saying World War II was a small skirmish.

Is the sky still falling Chicken Little?


So do we have your word, as a Republican troll account / conservative, that you will not blame Obama for any negative consequences six months down the line?
 
2013-03-06 09:44:57 AM  

NeverDrunk23: All results happen instantly and nothing ever takes time to go into effect.




Sure they do. It's like how the Failed Clinton Policies caused the banking crisis of 2008, and how the recent record rise of the stock market is caused by the Glorious Reagan Fiscal Policies of the past.
 
2013-03-06 09:46:58 AM  

snowshovel: Sure they do. It's like how the Failed Clinton Policies caused the banking crisis of 2008, and how the recent record rise of the stock market is caused by the Glorious Reagan Fiscal Policies of the past.


sarcasm aside, the repeal of the Glass-Stegal(sp?) act did contribute a good deal to the collapse, which was repealed under Clinton

but your point is well taken
 
2013-03-06 09:48:33 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: BillCo: A little?   That's like saying World War II was a small skirmish.

Is the sky still falling Chicken Little?

So do we have your word, as a Republican troll account / conservative, that you will not blame Obama for any negative consequences six months down the line?


If it would get him more attention, he would change over and praise Obama on everything.

He's just like Coulter: fake, attention loving, no morals.
 
2013-03-06 09:48:46 AM  
Really?  Five days in and we're making conclusions already?

I know Americans are impatient, but this is ridiculous.
 
2013-03-06 09:52:29 AM  
somedude210:
BillCo: A little?   That's like saying World War II was a small skirmish.

Is the sky still falling Chicken Little?

Well it's nice to know you're willing to pay my 20% pay cut I'm facing next month. Thanks!

I expect a bi-weekly check from you

/you know, since the sequester isn't going to do anything, anywhere


I'm sorry that you will be facing a furlough.  That is not how I would like to see it handled.  The right way to do this would be to reduce headcount.  And, it should be done based on a merit system, not seniority.  The federal government has become way too bloated.  I hope you have had good performance and are selected to stay.

I hope the real world isn't too harsh for you.
 
2013-03-06 09:53:06 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: Really?  Five days in and we're making conclusions already?

I know Americans are impatient, but this is ridiculous.


And yet, they're willing to wait for history to decide about the previous president's job.
 
2013-03-06 09:53:14 AM  
It's the third farking business day of the sequester.  It's a bit early to say "look, everything's fine."
 
2013-03-06 09:53:46 AM  

Wyalt Derp: So "Obama said it would be the apocalypse!" has made the leap from comment forums to official strategery now. It's beautiful to watch the birth of a strawman.


Better: watching a federal employee losing overtime and getting furloughed parrot this new talking point and claim the sequester cuts are fine (except the parts that affect him). Then remember they screamed at Obama the most when they first heard of it, about how his refusal to cut entitlements was bad or about how he already got all the tax increases he is allowed to want. Then watch them go back to whining about the sequester's cuts.


I work for the gov and will get a nasty haircut on this. But goddamn some of these guys are mouthbreathing retards who change their narrative on a weekly basis.
 
2013-03-06 09:54:04 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: BillCo: A little?   That's like saying World War II was a small skirmish.

Is the sky still falling Chicken Little?

So do we have your word, as a Republican troll account / conservative, that you will not blame Obama for any negative consequences six months down the line?


six months from now he'll have rotated out with someone else.
 
2013-03-06 09:54:41 AM  

BillCo: The federal government has become way too bloated.


LOL
 
2013-03-06 09:54:43 AM  

Wyalt Derp: So "Obama said it would be the apocalypse!" has made the leap from comment forums to official strategery now. It's beautiful to watch the birth of a strawman.


Look at how long it took the UK before austerity farked them.  It doesn't happen overnight, but it'll happen.  (Non-Austrian School) Economics has all the trappings of a scientific field...  which includes theories that can accurately predict experimental results as long as the variables are reasonably controlled.
 
2013-03-06 09:56:53 AM  
The government still gets more money to spend than it did last year it just doesn't get to spend as much to spend as the democrats wanted.
Look for the democrats to create a crisis out of this, most likely cutting where it will be obvious and felt more than where cutting could and should be cut anyway.  The old cut police and firemen first over ordering a million pamphlets on regarding unwanted pregnancy printed in farsi.
 
2013-03-06 09:57:03 AM  
I think the biggest fear most liberals have about the sequester is that there will be no impact at all - and, ultimately, people will realize that all of this massive government programmes are not necessary for their survival.  If the Democrats cannot use the fear of losing benefits as a wedge issue, they'll have to go back to their age-old tactic of promising new programmes to people (the "Santa Claus doling out gifts" routine).  In an age where deficits rage and the public is concerned about our financial house, that's likely not a winning strategy in the short-term.
 
2013-03-06 09:59:31 AM  

Granny_Panties: Do Republicans even work? You can't go anywhere on the internet without every comment section being packed with off topic Rush Limbaugh and Fox News talking points.


Says the guy/gal commenting on an article in the middle of the workday....
 
2013-03-06 10:01:42 AM  
Bottom line, it seems a stupid way to run a business or government. Obama is going to have to abandon tax increases in exchange for an effort already under way to reform the tax code, projecting revenue increases from that. Republicans are going to have to accept "cuts" that may or may not actually reduce the size of government.

This game of chicken isn't serving anybody well.
 
2013-03-06 10:02:30 AM  

Shaggy_C: the public is concerned about our financial house


Not really though. People say that, but they don't vote accordingly.
 
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