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2013-03-06 10:57:36 AM
I find this amusing because though while on technicality I could get the same thing from a myriad of different products and apps, there is nothing that is simpler in function for my Xbox. I can play games, download games, play music from my media storage, play movies from my media storage, and play stuff from my internet TV box, play Netflix, Hulu, and PlayOn

In short it has become my all encompassing media center. And I am pretty sure that any games released to Steam will hit all consoles, not just the Steam box. Everyone realizes that Sony's exclusive model is just not working the way it used to.

So anyone thinking that they can get all confident and bullish, realize that you have a high hill to climb.
 
2013-03-06 11:01:27 AM
Do Valve have the money to sell the first few million at a loss
 
2013-03-06 11:03:11 AM

drjekel_mrhyde: Do Valve have the money to sell the first few million at a loss


I'm pretty sure Gabe could finance the whole thing for several years at a loss with his own money, much less Valve's.
 
2013-03-06 11:05:09 AM

MyKingdomForYourHorse: I find this amusing because though while on technicality I could get the same thing from a myriad of different products and apps, there is nothing that is simpler in function for my Xbox. I can play games, download games, play music from my media storage, play movies from my media storage, and play stuff from my internet TV box, play Netflix, Hulu, and PlayOn

In short it has become my all encompassing media center. And I am pretty sure that any games released to Steam will hit all consoles, not just the Steam box. Everyone realizes that Sony's exclusive model is just not working the way it used to.

So anyone thinking that they can get all confident and bullish, realize that you have a high hill to climb.


While that may be true, with the Xbox that comes at a price. You have to have an Xbox live subscription to watch Netflix, or Hulu Plus.

Steam also has Steam sales. I just picked up Serious Sam 3 for 8 bucks last weekend for Linux.
 
2013-03-06 11:12:10 AM
Yeah, Netscape has certainly had the last laugh.
 
2013-03-06 11:14:20 AM

fang06554: While that may be true, with the Xbox that comes at a price. You have to have an Xbox live subscription to watch Netflix, or Hulu Plus.

Steam also has Steam sales. I just picked up Serious Sam 3 for 8 bucks last weekend for Linux.


True, but at 5 bucks a month its a pittance really. And most serious Xbox users are going to have it anyway since it grants you access to numerous other things as well. Game marketplace has sales as well. Serious Sam 3, BFE is 800 points or around ten bucks. Add to that services like Gamefly and really, anyone trying to jump in this market place is going to have a huge uphill battle.

Don't get me wrong, I want them to be serious. Competition is good for development and consumers over all, just don't get cocky and think you can slay the beast without working hard to do it.
 
2013-03-06 11:14:42 AM
Because I'm not playing in depth games on any of those platforms any time soon, subby. Neither are you.
 
2013-03-06 11:15:35 AM

meatofmystery: Because I'm not playing in depth games on any of those platforms any time soon, subby. Neither are you.


Cept steam. Steam is good. Rest of my comment stands
 
2013-03-06 11:18:38 AM
Ouya 4 lyfe.
 
2013-03-06 11:21:12 AM

drjekel_mrhyde: Do Valve have the money to sell the first few million at a loss


Yes.  Valve is not Microsoft big, but they are still huge.  They are one of the most profitable privately owned companies (of any sort) on the planet.

Plus, development costs will be relatively minimal, so they probably won't sell them for a loss, even at the beginning.  It seems clear to me that the Steambox will be simply a stripped down PC running Linux with a Steam GUI, customized for gaming.  No new custom chips needed, unlike all existing consoles.  Looks like they will make some themselves and also license the design to other hardware makers.
 
2013-03-06 11:29:38 AM
Steam is an established name for PC gaming, but it's not exactly something that resonates with the Madden/Call of Duty buying demographic that make up a large share of console buyers.  If I was Microsoft I wouldn't be worried about it either.
 
2013-03-06 11:32:07 AM
I'm trying to muster up a fark to give about the next generation of consoles but I keep coming up short.  They all look like expensive gimmicks.  This steambox though, I think it has potential.  I'm going to keep a eye on it since I already have a large library of games on steam that were acquired from sales over the years.
 
2013-03-06 11:32:32 AM

Lumbar Puncture: Steam is an established name for PC gaming, but it's not exactly something that resonates with the Madden/Call of Duty buying demographic that make up a large share of console buyers.  If I was Microsoft I wouldn't be worried about it either.


I would be. Valve has tons of money to throw at this thing. If they price the box right, and then focus their marketing on how Steam is cheaper on average than buying at retail, and how the next gen consoles wont let you play used games(neither will the steam box but they have RIDICULOUS deals with some frequency) they could easily snake a decent market share away from MS and Sony.

"Play the same games you get on the other consoles, but we'll sell you games at a cheaper rate, and give you DLC for free!"
 
2013-03-06 11:37:57 AM
Can someone explain the steambox to me?  If I have a PC with steam why would I possibly order one?
 
2013-03-06 11:38:06 AM

MyKingdomForYourHorse: In short it has become my all encompassing media center.


It would be a bit better if MS focused on a better UI for WMC for the 360. Having a tuner card in my PC, I can watch live TV on my 360, but MS hasn't realized that the same UI that is on a PC doesn't transfer well to a console (or that a UI for a phone doesn't work well for a desktop! Zing!)
 
2013-03-06 11:40:24 AM
In order for steambox to really take off, Valve needs to have an exclusive game or two for it.  I am not going to be drawn over to getting this to play my backlog... my PC does that well enough, I could replace my Roku with it... but I already something that fits the nich.  Nope they need a game that really gets people to buy it.  I hope it is HL3 but I also hope that it is not exclusive but then that would be self defeating.
 
2013-03-06 11:46:19 AM

Saiga410: In order for steambox to really take off, Valve needs to have an exclusive game or two for it.  I am not going to be drawn over to getting this to play my backlog... my PC does that well enough, I could replace my Roku with it... but I already something that fits the nich.  Nope they need a game that really gets people to buy it.  I hope it is HL3 but I also hope that it is not exclusive but then that would be self defeating.


They already have exclusive games for it that a significant chunk of the market has never seen. The entire indie catalog on Steam, and any PC exclusive.
 
2013-03-06 11:46:51 AM

fang06554: While that may be true, with the Xbox that comes at a price. You have to have an Xbox live subscription to watch Netflix, or Hulu Plus.


Very true, but taking a look at the stability of the network and what it offers, it is kinda nice when compared to Sony's free version of XBL. Even Sony confirmed that the next console will have a monthly fee, think they are calling it "Playstation World" or something like that.

What I don't dig is (and maybe this changed), the selection for Netflix is narrowed down on the 360 compared to the PC. Hulu is the goddamn worst... you have to pay to get Hulu plus, still see commercials, and the selection is completely gutted on consoles? Fark that noise.

stovepipe: I'm trying to muster up a fark to give about the next generation of consoles but I keep coming up short.  They all look like expensive gimmicks.  This steambox though, I think it has potential.  I'm going to keep a eye on it since I already have a large library of games on steam that were acquired from sales over the years.


Pretty much. New titles are still being made for the current generation, and I haven't heard anything about newer ones that would entice me into dropping another $400.
 
2013-03-06 11:48:21 AM
Since Valve has sold a total of zero consoles they aren't a competitor, yet.

BTW, the Netscape mention is hilarious.
 
2013-03-06 11:56:10 AM

theurge14: Since Valve has sold a total of zero consoles they aren't a competitor, yet.

BTW, the Netscape mention is hilarious.


Your mom has sold a total of zero consoles.

But she's a competitor against my x-box.
 
2013-03-06 11:59:14 AM

lilplatinum: Can someone explain the steambox to me?  If I have a PC with steam why would I possibly order one?


For you and me its not the direct purchase of them, its the increased market-share and how that is going to cause a couple of beneficial things:  Its going to eat Sony's lunch, its going to split the gamerbase yet another direction which makes it even less profitable for a company to get cornered into an exclusivity deal with either MS or Sony, its going to be a huge boon to the sales of PC-based Indie games which we inherently have access to and it gives us yet another hardware box to look down upon from the lofty clouds of master-gaming-race city.

Its not aimed at us, its aimed at stealing market share from the consoles, all those people who's barrier to entry on the PC gaming is held up by a lack of technical understanding or patience for it.
 
2013-03-06 12:02:15 PM

BumpInTheNight: lilplatinum: Can someone explain the steambox to me?  If I have a PC with steam why would I possibly order one?

For you and me its not the direct purchase of them, its the increased market-share and how that is going to cause a couple of beneficial things:  Its going to eat Sony's lunch, its going to split the gamerbase yet another direction which makes it even less profitable for a company to get cornered into an exclusivity deal with either MS or Sony, its going to be a huge boon to the sales of PC-based Indie games which we inherently have access to and it gives us yet another hardware box to look down upon from the lofty clouds of master-gaming-race city.

Its not aimed at us, its aimed at stealing market share from the consoles, all those people who's barrier to entry on the PC gaming is held up by a lack of technical understanding or patience for it.


Or a total lack of desire to continuously upgrade your PC.

If it wasn't for that, I would probably still game on my PC. After I got married, my PC became ancient QUICKLY and I juts couldn't justify the cost of upgrading when my xbox was still getting the newest games and was looking good enough.

Start tossing out steam boxes on the cheap capable of playing the latest and greatest though? Sold. I'll be back to PC gaming in a flash. I farking miss a lot of my PC games.
 
2013-03-06 12:06:07 PM

Strategeryz0r: Or a total lack of desire to continuously upgrade your PC.


I mentioned the lack of understanding how to pick computer parts.

/IE:  If you're continuously upgrading parts because you 'have to' you're doing it wrong.
 
2013-03-06 12:06:13 PM
One of the comments in the article nails it "as a market leader, you don't lend credibility to the new guy by acknowledging them as a competitor". 100% correct.

Also, as a 360 user, this steambox doesn't really interest me. At the rate PC requirements change, how will it keep up? Will it come with a mouse/keyboard or will it have some odd controller design? I already have all my gamertags and what not with the xbox, I'm kinda used to their "ecosystem", so I don't really see a reason to change.

Unless of course the nextbox is terrible. If they DON'T have real graphics, 60fps standard, etc, then there's no point in getting it. Like the PS4, why on god's green earth would you get one? What does it have over the PS3?? I can't think of a single thing. Oh people who shelled out $478000 for the new PSP can use it as a tablet? Wow, how innovative.
 
2013-03-06 12:08:21 PM

MyKingdomForYourHorse: Everyone realizes that Sony's exclusive model is just not working the way it used to. that I have no idea what I'm talking about.


The following is true of the PS3 as well:

I can play games, download games, play music from my media storage, play movies from my media storage, and play stuff from my internet TV box, play Netflix, Hulu, and PlayOn

Matter of fact I would argue its easier on the PS3.
 
2013-03-06 12:09:21 PM

Strategeryz0r: I juts couldn't justify the cost of upgrading when my xbox was still getting the newest games and was looking good enough.


I've found this to be less of a problem now than even a decade ago... Thanks to reduced footprints of operating systems and processors being cheaper on the whole, you can get an average Asus from Walmart and the most you'd likely have to do is put in a video card. The setup I have hasn't seen an upgrade aside from video card and a stick of RAM when I bought it in September of '11 (aside from cramming as many harddrives as I have ports available!),  and it still plays modern games on the highest resolution settings.

Just seems like we're slowing down in consumer-grade PC technology, and when it comes down to the cost for the average user, that's a good thing.
 
2013-03-06 12:09:40 PM

Strategeryz0r: theurge14: Since Valve has sold a total of zero consoles they aren't a competitor, yet.

BTW, the Netscape mention is hilarious.

Your mom has sold a total of zero consoles.

But she's a competitor against my x-box.


Oh snapz0rs.
 
2013-03-06 12:11:28 PM

Strategeryz0r: Or a total lack of desire to continuously upgrade your PC.


THIS.  The PS3 and the XBox360 are 6 and 7 years old respectively.  Every couple of years I seem to have to upgrade something on my gaming PC to keep up with the new games.  Meanwhile new games released for the XBOX360 work fine.
 
2013-03-06 12:24:57 PM
Well, in all fairness Netscape hasn't existed for years, so I think Microsoft can safely not worry about them.

/ yeah, I know it technically still exists somewhere, but for all intents and purposes it's dead
 
2013-03-06 12:26:54 PM
This "you always have to upgrade your PC" talk is about a decade out of date.  Most games for PC are made to console specs (which, since they have to work on seven year old consoles, will work fine on seven year old PCs as well) or are cheap indie games (which typically don't push the envelope in this fashion).  Now, to run it on Extremely High at 1680x1050, yeah, you need a good PC.  But to run it on Medium at 1280x768, nope.
 
2013-03-06 12:27:17 PM

Neondistraction: Well, in all fairness Netscape hasn't existed for years, so I think Microsoft can safely not worry about them.

/ yeah, I know it technically still exists somewhere, but for all intents and purposes it's dead


The guys who worked on it, didn't they go on to make Firefox?

/heard they did
//would also explain a lot
 
2013-03-06 12:29:24 PM

Geotpf: Most games for PC are made to console specs


One of my biggest gripes about PC gaming is the recent "dumbing down" of games so that they work the same across consoles and PCs, from graphics to controls. Dammit, I loved my Descent:Freespace and Mechwarrior games where you had to use the entire keyboard layout!
 
2013-03-06 12:35:48 PM
Unless there's something that Steam will be offering on SteamBox that won't be on the PC version... I don't see a reason to get in on this.

And by "something", I mean a game that justifies what will probably be $200+ worth of cost.

/just release HL3 already
 
2013-03-06 12:36:13 PM

BumpInTheNight: lilplatinum: Can someone explain the steambox to me?  If I have a PC with steam why would I possibly order one?

For you and me its not the direct purchase of them, its the increased market-share and how that is going to cause a couple of beneficial things:  Its going to eat Sony's lunch, its going to split the gamerbase yet another direction which makes it even less profitable for a company to get cornered into an exclusivity deal with either MS or Sony, its going to be a huge boon to the sales of PC-based Indie games which we inherently have access to and it gives us yet another hardware box to look down upon from the lofty clouds of master-gaming-race city.

Its not aimed at us, its aimed at stealing market share from the consoles, all those people who's barrier to entry on the PC gaming is held up by a lack of technical understanding or patience for it.


Oh, silly us for being able to play our games on the first install.
 
2013-03-06 12:45:37 PM

Marine1: just release HL3 already


HL3 is the new Duke Nukem Forever.
 
2013-03-06 12:49:34 PM

gingerjet: Strategeryz0r: Or a total lack of desire to continuously upgrade your PC.

THIS.  The PS3 and the XBox360 are 6 and 7 years old respectively.  Every couple of years I seem to have to upgrade something on my gaming PC to keep up with the new games.  Meanwhile new games released for the XBOX360 work fine.


you don't HAVE to for a game to work.  I still get 60FPS on current games on a 2yr old GTX460.  I call BS
 
2013-03-06 12:51:20 PM

RoxtarRyan: Marine1: just release HL3 already

HL3 is the new Duke Nukem Forever.


*sigh*

Man, I'm not ready for that. Just... don't...
 
2013-03-06 12:52:17 PM

gingerjet: Strategeryz0r: Or a total lack of desire to continuously upgrade your PC.

THIS.  The PS3 and the XBox360 are 6 and 7 years old respectively.  Every couple of years I seem to have to upgrade something on my gaming PC to keep up with the new games.  Meanwhile new games released for the XBOX360 work fine.


The systems themselves as a consumer good are 6-7 years old but how long do they live?  I dont want to have to keep replacing my Xbox360 every other year.
 
2013-03-06 12:55:28 PM

RoxtarRyan: Marine1: just release HL3 already

HL3 is the new Duke Nukem Forever.


Bet they launch the steambox with HL3 as an exclusive.
 
2013-03-06 12:57:00 PM
Strategeryz0r:

Or a total lack of desire to continuously upgrade your PC.

So much this.

I used to build PCs just for the sake of doing it and having the bonus of being able to play the latest games; an expensive but fulfilling hobby. But after awhile it just got tedious. Zero-day patches, DRM, video driver issues...I didn't have the patience anymore.

With the consoles, I put the disc in, the game plays, and a good game is going to look absolutely fantastic. Plus, any one of them have a longer general shelf life than a gaming PC, and I don't need to worry about "Hey, this game just came out. How will it run on my 5-year-old hardware?" The answer is always "Just fine."
 
2013-03-06 12:57:07 PM

Saiga410: I dont want to have to keep replacing my Xbox360 every other year.


The original Nintendo was built with plastic and springs, a helluva less complicated than the new consoles, yet those things failed something fierce. Somehow, every goddamn kid in America knew to blow in the cartridges, press down the on the game when it was inserted a bunch of times, and align it with the stars to get it working again until the next time it farked up. Ugh... Imagine the outcry if people had to perform the same rituals when getting their 360 or PS3 to work whenever all you wanted to do was switch games!
 
2013-03-06 12:58:51 PM

stovepipe: Bet they launch the steambox with HL3 as an exclusive.


That'll alienate the mass majority of their userbase.. don't think they are that strapped for cash as to force people to spend hundreds for a new console.
 
2013-03-06 01:01:05 PM

RoxtarRyan: It would be a bit better if MS focused on a better UI for WMC for the 360. Having a tuner card in my PC, I can watch live TV on my 360, but MS hasn't realized that the same UI that is on a PC doesn't transfer well to a console (or that a UI for a phone doesn't work well for a desktop! Zing!)


The next dashboard (likely the last big one) is supposed to address that from what I've heard, but yeah I agree the interface can be a PITA

RoxtarRyan: HL3 is the new Duke Nukem Forever.


That hurts man....hurts

but true

gingerjet: Matter of fact I would argue its easier on the PS3.


I don't disagree with that. The only reason I went with a 360 over the PS3 honestly was cost. I didn't need or care about the blueray player. And I like the controller layout better, but thats just a personal preference. Now as to the exclusivity model, I was referring to try and get games that are console exclusive as a way to drive console sales and increase customer base. That doesn't work anymore, and hasn't for awhile.

RoxtarRyan: What I don't dig is (and maybe this changed), the selection for Netflix is narrowed down on the 360 compared to the PC


You have access to the entire catalog, the trick is to add things to your instant queue on another device (I use my ipad)
 
2013-03-06 01:02:33 PM
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Do not speak ill of Gaben, the Delayer of Three. He shall frown upon you and delay your third Xbox.
 
2013-03-06 01:04:10 PM

MyKingdomForYourHorse: You have access to the entire catalog, the trick is to add things to your instant queue on another device (I use my ipad)


Hmmm... may have to try that out. Meanwhile, Amazon Prime has been working with Netflix and HBO Go to fulfill my movie needs should they arise.
 
2013-03-06 01:19:18 PM
my computer is my steam box, and it works very well thank you
 
2013-03-06 01:22:31 PM

BumpInTheNight: Strategeryz0r: Or a total lack of desire to continuously upgrade your PC.

I mentioned the lack of understanding how to pick computer parts.

/IE:  If you're continuously upgrading parts because you 'have to' you're doing it wrong.


New ram, more ram, bigger hard drive, faster CPU, better motherboard, new sound card, new video card, updating drivers, etc, etc, etc.

The list of maintenance tasks you have to jump through to keep a PC running in a stable state, and keep it up to date with the latest games, is exhausting, time consuming, and can get expensive REAL fast.

The last PC I had was a core 2 duo with an 8800gtx in it. Granted this was years ago, but by the time I finally threw in the towel on that system it wasn't running most of the latest games that well. Likewise what it was running didn't look better than what my X-box could crank out. My PC had reached a point where my 360 looked better, and had more value to me.

So, at that point, why bother jumping through the hoops to get a newer setup that is capable of outperforming my 360. When my 360 is completely adequate, and I know I'll just have to upgrade something on the PC again within about a year?

It has nothing to do with not knowing the parts, it has everything to do with the vicious cycle that is PC gaming. And trying to say it doesn't exist is simply lying to yourself. For the cost of just a new video card you can have an x-box. While it may not look as good as a PC using said video card, I also don't have to invest in a new CPU, bigger hard drives, etc, etc, etc.

The only thing I miss about my PC is a handful of the games I can't buy on console, and would never play on console(RTS primarily). Other than that, I'm totally content with my 360.
 
2013-03-06 01:23:16 PM

MyKingdomForYourHorse: That hurts man....hurts


Made even more painful by the fact they are focusing on releasing a console rather than spending time developing a game they said would be out in 2007.
 
2013-03-06 01:26:14 PM

Strategeryz0r: BumpInTheNight: lilplatinum: Can someone explain the steambox to me?  If I have a PC with steam why would I possibly order one?

For you and me its not the direct purchase of them, its the increased market-share and how that is going to cause a couple of beneficial things:  Its going to eat Sony's lunch, its going to split the gamerbase yet another direction which makes it even less profitable for a company to get cornered into an exclusivity deal with either MS or Sony, its going to be a huge boon to the sales of PC-based Indie games which we inherently have access to and it gives us yet another hardware box to look down upon from the lofty clouds of master-gaming-race city.

Its not aimed at us, its aimed at stealing market share from the consoles, all those people who's barrier to entry on the PC gaming is held up by a lack of technical understanding or patience for it.

Or a total lack of desire to continuously upgrade your PC.

If it wasn't for that, I would probably still game on my PC. After I got married, my PC became ancient QUICKLY and I juts couldn't justify the cost of upgrading when my xbox was still getting the newest games and was looking good enough.

Start tossing out steam boxes on the cheap capable of playing the latest and greatest though? Sold. I'll be back to PC gaming in a flash. I farking miss a lot of my PC games.


That's really not the case any more.  The advancement has really slowed down.

I built my computer in 2008 and have made one upgrade to it, replacing a really ancient Core 2 Duo that I got from a friend with a 3.16ghz Core 2 Duo that is still old hardware, and my computer just became "obsolete" as a gaming PC.  Crysis 3 is the first game on the market that I can't play.  This is with the aforementioned Core 2 Duo and a Radeon 4870 HD.

I don't really care, since all I play anymore are Guild Wars 2, Civ5, and the occasional indy game anyway.  I'll probably upgrade soon just because I'm afraid my fans and my 2nd gen Western Digital Raptor are going to give out soon.
 
2013-03-06 01:30:18 PM

CmndrFish: That's really not the case any more.  The advancement has really slowed down.

I built my computer in 2008 and have made one upgrade to it, replacing a really ancient Core 2 Duo that I got from a friend with a 3.16ghz Core 2 Duo that is still old hardware, and my computer just became "obsolete" as a gaming PC.  Crysis 3 is the first game on the market that I can't play.  This is with the aforementioned Core 2 Duo and a Radeon 4870 HD.

I don't really care, since all I play anymore are Guild Wars 2, Civ5, and the occasional indy game anyway.  I'll probably upgrade soon just because I'm afraid my fans and my 2nd gen Western Digital Raptor are going to give out soon.


That's what I mean though. Advancement slowed down now, but when I got married and threw in the towel on PC gaming this was not the case. Things were advancing at lightning speed, and I would have had to build an entirely new setup from the ground up just to have something that could outperform my cheap ass X-box 360.

It was a case of what I would get out of it just did not justify the cost.

I will say that the new console scheme of blocking used games(and probably, subsequently, raising the price of games to boot) is making me considering stashing some cash aside to build a new PC here soon. But a steam box? I'm in for that. Economical, and exactly what I want. Plus I still have a library on Steam from my old PC gaming days, so I would hit the ground running with shiat to play.
 
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