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(Independent)   Scientists claim Viking sunstone really existed   (independent.co.uk) divider line 37
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2013-03-06 07:39:34 AM
What about a towel that makes you invisible only to Christians?
 
2013-03-06 07:49:02 AM
Iceland spar calcite crystal

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2013-03-06 07:52:21 AM
I'm just hoping the Atlantean Sun Stones are real.

i50.tinypic.com
 
2013-03-06 07:56:19 AM
I like that show.
 
2013-03-06 07:59:22 AM
So, by theological "logic", you know, the same logic that says that finding ruins of two cities close by in the desert is proof that the entire story of Sodom and Gomorrah in the Bible happened exactly as told; by that logic, then all the Norse gods actually existed and Norse mythology isn't really mythology at all.
 
2013-03-06 08:03:45 AM
So, if I remember correctly, isn't the point of sunstone that you have to leave it in the sunlight for a couple million years to charge, but once you do you can forge it into the best armor in the game?
 
2013-03-06 08:10:27 AM

Sybarite: Iceland spar calcite crystal

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Yea that's what I thought of right away, and I'm no researcher, this story is a couple of years old, I'm sure I watched something on Nat Geo or Discovery or maybe Nova, years ago...
 
2013-03-06 08:16:18 AM
"Such a navigational aid could be one of the secrets behind the Vikings' reputation as remarkable seafarers whose prowess at heading into unexplored water means they may have beaten Christopher Columbus as the first European visitors to America by hundreds of years. "

Gee..you would have thought the remains of their settlement in Newfoundland would have cinched that argument.
 
2013-03-06 08:19:49 AM
I use that same stuff to find my car keys.
 
2013-03-06 08:22:57 AM
I tried watching it last night over On Demand.  The History Channel messed up ... there was almost time for some story between the commercials.
 
2013-03-06 08:24:33 AM

Martian_Astronomer: So, if I remember correctly, isn't the point of sunstone that you have to leave it in the sunlight for a couple million years to charge, but once you do you can forge it into the best armor in the game?


Well, you also have to go back in time and give jerky to some dude's great grandmother for free, or he acts like a douche and swipes it.
 
Skr
2013-03-06 08:24:35 AM
Hell, if they had some Jerky and 65,000,000 years to burn, I could have gotten them a Sun Stone.
 
2013-03-06 08:25:15 AM

Skr: Hell, if they had some Jerky and 65,000,000 years to burn, I could have gotten them a Sun Stone.


Holy crap, two seconds apart!

I wish they'd revisit that series.
/And, you know, make up for Chrono Cross.
 
2013-03-06 08:30:04 AM
History Channel showed that on Sunday night.  It's a much better show than The Bible and more believable.
 
2013-03-06 08:31:47 AM
So now all they need is the Staff of Rain and then they can make the Rainbow Bridge to get to the Dragonlord's island.
 
2013-03-06 08:33:56 AM

FullMetalPanda: What about a towel that makes you invisible only to Christians?


HA! I love that movie!
 
Skr
2013-03-06 08:46:17 AM

Felgraf: Skr: Hell, if they had some Jerky and 65,000,000 years to burn, I could have gotten them a Sun Stone.

Holy crap, two seconds apart!

I wish they'd revisit that series.
/And, you know, make up for Chrono Cross.


We can dream. They dropped the lawyer hammer on a private group that was trying to redo the game on a 3D engine (looked like some of the modern Dragon Quest games). I had hoped that it meant that Squenix was going to revisit the franchise, but only plopped out the enhanced version which really didn't add much. Chrono Cross was a mess that seemed to overlook the great elements of CT.
 
2013-03-06 08:46:25 AM

0Icky0: "Such a navigational aid could be one of the secrets behind the Vikings' reputation as remarkable seafarers whose prowess at heading into unexplored water means they may have beaten Christopher Columbus as the first European visitors to America by hundreds of years. "

Gee..you would have thought the remains of their settlement in Newfoundland would have cinched that argument.


Lots of Europeans beat Columbus to America.  I don't even know why his name is still mentioned.
 
db2
2013-03-06 08:54:52 AM
Well yeah, how else were they supposed to evolve their Sunkerns?
 
2013-03-06 08:58:12 AM

Skr: Felgraf: Skr: Hell, if they had some Jerky and 65,000,000 years to burn, I could have gotten them a Sun Stone.

Holy crap, two seconds apart!

I wish they'd revisit that series.
/And, you know, make up for Chrono Cross.

We can dream. They dropped the lawyer hammer on a private group that was trying to redo the game on a 3D engine (looked like some of the modern Dragon Quest games). I had hoped that it meant that Squenix was going to revisit the franchise, but only plopped out the enhanced version which really didn't add much. Chrono Cross was a mess that seemed to overlook the great elements of CT.


Thank god! I thought I was the only guy who hated Chrono Cross after loving Chrono Trigger.  I felt so ashamed of my lack of geek cred by not loving what should have been an awesome game.
 
2013-03-06 09:08:29 AM

0Icky0: "Such a navigational aid could be one of the secrets behind the Vikings' reputation as remarkable seafarers whose prowess at heading into unexplored water means they may have beaten Christopher Columbus as the first European visitors to America by hundreds of years. "

Gee..you would have thought the remains of their settlement in Newfoundland would have cinched that argument.


Came in to point that out too. Why would any newspaper write it that way? It's been a settled fact for decades now that the Vikings made it to North America first.
 
2013-03-06 09:08:38 AM
Sunstones have been handed down for centuries in curio collections. No one's ever doubted they existed.
 
2013-03-06 09:19:38 AM

Skr: Chrono Cross was a mess that seemed to overlook the great elements of CT.


Surely, you can't meanCHA the fact that instead of having a handful of CHAracters that had distinct personalities, motivations, and actCHAual reasons for joining you, often with their own interpretations on things they saw/experienced (even if it was brief!) , they instead went with a morass of "look, so many CHAracters!" who were mostly only distinguishable by verbal ticks that were just a translation filter altering the same line that would sometimes go screwy? I once saw the cyborg CHAracter start talking in the french guy's voice. (CHA CHA CHA.)

I mean, Suikoden shows that it's quite possible to make 151 distinct characters in a video game, even if a good chunk of them aren't playable and are only given a handful of lines. You could tell how all the stars of destiny were different, thoguh, and how they had different motivations and goals.

Or the fact that they completely removed the mechanic of "Most of your party members can combine their abilities with other party members! Everyone's got at least four or five team up moves with someone else!" and instead went with "Yeah there's like four double techs in the entire game!"

Or where they decided, you know, not to continue Janus' story (that they.. clearly INTENDED to, given the letter you read ADDRESSED TO HIM), since technically Guile is, if I remember via word of god, *not* Janus/Magus? (And if he is... WTF? Even with amnesia, his character was TOTALLY DIFFERENT).

Or the way that they diabolus ex machinae'd all the previous characters? (I don't care how farking powerful he gets. Or if he has an army. How the fark does Dalton beat the chrono trigger crew? THEY LITERALLY KILLED THE DESTROYER OF THE WORLD)

... Sorry, okay, I'm done now.

I would also love to see another The World Ends With You game, even if it isn't a sequel. That game was farking awesome.
 
2013-03-06 09:20:40 AM

MikeSass: Lots of Europeans beat Columbus to America.  I don't even know why his name is still mentioned.


Well, he did kick off the large-scale permanent invasion and genocide. So he's got that going for him.
 
2013-03-06 09:32:17 AM

Ishkur: So now all they need is the Staff of Rain and then they can make the Rainbow Bridge to get to the Dragonlord's island.


Oh, descendant of Erdrick, save us!

/Dragon Warrior I & Dragon Quest VIII were my favorites of the series.
//Not a fan of the most recent DS version, IX
 
2013-03-06 09:36:03 AM

Lansydyr: Skr: Felgraf: Skr: Hell, if they had some Jerky and 65,000,000 years to burn, I could have gotten them a Sun Stone.

Holy crap, two seconds apart!

I wish they'd revisit that series.
/And, you know, make up for Chrono Cross.

We can dream. They dropped the lawyer hammer on a private group that was trying to redo the game on a 3D engine (looked like some of the modern Dragon Quest games). I had hoped that it meant that Squenix was going to revisit the franchise, but only plopped out the enhanced version which really didn't add much. Chrono Cross was a mess that seemed to overlook the great elements of CT.

Thank god! I thought I was the only guy who hated Chrono Cross after loving Chrono Trigger.  I felt so ashamed of my lack of geek cred by not loving what should have been an awesome game.


Chrono Cross wasn't a terrible game taken on its own. It just wasn't great as a followup to Chrono Trigger. The diverging timelines / alternate universes concept is neat, and it was nice to go see how party members were getting on in the other world and whatnot. i think it could have benefited some from having fewer playable party members and focusing more tightly on the ones that remained. I think the element slotting was interesting, but it hurt the game in that characters only had a few unique skills.
 
2013-03-06 09:50:21 AM

MikeSass: 0Icky0: "Such a navigational aid could be one of the secrets behind the Vikings' reputation as remarkable seafarers whose prowess at heading into unexplored water means they may have beaten Christopher Columbus as the first European visitors to America by hundreds of years. "

Gee..you would have thought the remains of their settlement in Newfoundland would have cinched that argument.

Lots of Europeans beat Columbus to America.  I don't even know why his name is still mentioned.


Because European "Western" culture doesn't matter... its PUBLISHED culture that conquered the world.  If your discovery wasn't printed and distributed to everybody literate who cared, then it doesn't count.
 
2013-03-06 09:53:46 AM

MikeSass: 0Icky0: "Such a navigational aid could be one of the secrets behind the Vikings' reputation as remarkable seafarers whose prowess at heading into unexplored water means they may have beaten Christopher Columbus as the first European visitors to America by hundreds of years. "

Gee..you would have thought the remains of their settlement in Newfoundland would have cinched that argument.

Lots of Europeans beat Columbus to America.  I don't even know why his name is still mentioned.


He had a better PR man.
 
2013-03-06 10:14:26 AM

MikeSass: Lots of Europeans beat Columbus to America.  I don't even know why his name is still mentioned.


Because It's a weird Italian pride thing in this country and our educational system sucks.
 
2013-03-06 10:36:27 AM

FoxKelfonne: Lansydyr: Skr: Felgraf: Skr: Hell, if they had some Jerky and 65,000,000 years to burn, I could have gotten them a Sun Stone.

Holy crap, two seconds apart!

I wish they'd revisit that series.
/And, you know, make up for Chrono Cross.

We can dream. They dropped the lawyer hammer on a private group that was trying to redo the game on a 3D engine (looked like some of the modern Dragon Quest games). I had hoped that it meant that Squenix was going to revisit the franchise, but only plopped out the enhanced version which really didn't add much. Chrono Cross was a mess that seemed to overlook the great elements of CT.

Thank god! I thought I was the only guy who hated Chrono Cross after loving Chrono Trigger.  I felt so ashamed of my lack of geek cred by not loving what should have been an awesome game.

Chrono Cross wasn't a terrible game taken on its own. It just wasn't great as a followup to Chrono Trigger. The diverging timelines / alternate universes concept is neat, and it was nice to go see how party members were getting on in the other world and whatnot. i think it could have benefited some from having fewer playable party members and focusing more tightly on the ones that remained. I think the element slotting was interesting, but it hurt the game in that characters only had a few unique skills.


I seem to recall that Chrono Cross was an attempt at bolting some crappy game only released in Japan onto the much more successful Chrono Trigger series, disappointing fans in the process.
 
2013-03-06 11:02:38 AM

aevorea: Ishkur: So now all they need is the Staff of Rain and then they can make the Rainbow Bridge to get to the Dragonlord's island.

Oh, descendant of Erdrick, save us!

/Dragon Warrior I & Dragon Quest VIII were my favorites of the series.
//Not a fan of the most recent DS version, IX


DQ VIII was pretty good, but I totally loved IX. Then again, I've always been a bigger fan of the DQ Games where you can use and abuse the job system than the ones where you get set characters. DQIX just seemed like a logical extension of DQIII to me, taking the chracter creation and job system of III, and adding the skill point advancement of VIII. Plus, I got to customize my entire team of fighters, AND changing equipment changed their character models.
 
2013-03-06 11:08:48 AM

FoxKelfonne: aevorea: Ishkur: So now all they need is the Staff of Rain and then they can make the Rainbow Bridge to get to the Dragonlord's island.

Oh, descendant of Erdrick, save us!

/Dragon Warrior I & Dragon Quest VIII were my favorites of the series.
//Not a fan of the most recent DS version, IX

DQ VIII was pretty good, but I totally loved IX. Then again, I've always been a bigger fan of the DQ Games where you can use and abuse the job system than the ones where you get set characters. DQIX just seemed like a logical extension of DQIII to me, taking the chracter creation and job system of III, and adding the skill point advancement of VIII. Plus, I got to customize my entire team of fighters, AND changing equipment changed their character models.


I have a question.

I just started playing DQIX, and at what point should I pick up a party? Because the game seems deceptively easy on solo mode and I've already made it to the town with the beach and the leviathan, and it doesn't seem like there are too many obstacles preventing me from moving on. I never meet more than two or three monsters in my travels. Is it supposed to get super hard at some time later with, like, eight monsters showing up in battles, necessitating additional party members, or what?

I don't get it. Why get a party if there doesn't seem to be any need?
 
2013-03-06 12:46:11 PM

SurfaceTension: So, by theological "logic", you know, the same logic that says that finding ruins of two cities close by in the desert is proof that the entire story of Sodom and Gomorrah in the Bible happened exactly as told; by that logic, then all the Norse gods actually existed and Norse mythology isn't really mythology at all.


Maybe try reading the actual article? This is actually a neat science thing that has been long suspected and possibly confirmed by recent archaeological findings.
 
2013-03-06 01:10:01 PM

Ishkur: FoxKelfonne: aevorea: Ishkur: So now all they need is the Staff of Rain and then they can make the Rainbow Bridge to get to the Dragonlord's island.

Oh, descendant of Erdrick, save us!

/Dragon Warrior I & Dragon Quest VIII were my favorites of the series.
//Not a fan of the most recent DS version, IX

DQ VIII was pretty good, but I totally loved IX. Then again, I've always been a bigger fan of the DQ Games where you can use and abuse the job system than the ones where you get set characters. DQIX just seemed like a logical extension of DQIII to me, taking the chracter creation and job system of III, and adding the skill point advancement of VIII. Plus, I got to customize my entire team of fighters, AND changing equipment changed their character models.

I have a question.

I just started playing DQIX, and at what point should I pick up a party? Because the game seems deceptively easy on solo mode and I've already made it to the town with the beach and the leviathan, and it doesn't seem like there are too many obstacles preventing me from moving on. I never meet more than two or three monsters in my travels. Is it supposed to get super hard at some time later with, like, eight monsters showing up in battles, necessitating additional party members, or what?

I don't get it. Why get a party if there doesn't seem to be any need?


You get a party at the second town, about four hours in. The game babies you at first but then the difficulty level skyrockets. Also, most of the new classes can be unlocked very early in the game if you are willing to put up with absolutely bullshiat side quests. Like having your Mage kill several Metal Slimes after buffing himself.
 
2013-03-06 01:41:14 PM

SurfaceTension: So, by theological "logic", you know, the same logic that says that finding ruins of two cities close by in the desert is proof that the entire story of Sodom and Gomorrah in the Bible happened exactly as told; by that logic, then all the Norse gods actually existed and Norse mythology isn't really mythology at all.


I don't see any frost giants around so it looks like the Norse pantheon did their job.
 
2013-03-06 03:19:18 PM

Ishkur: So now all they need is the Staff of Rain and then they can make the Rainbow Bridge to get to the Dragonlord's island.


Bargle.  I was enjoying a most delightful game of Duck, Duck, Goose trying to make sure no one else made that reference, but victory eluded me like a Metal Slime.  You win this round.
 
2013-03-06 06:54:03 PM
the only viking game that truly mattered:


www.destructoid.com

/pissed that triace never made a third game for the ps3 (the handheld games don't count)
 
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