log_jammin: andychrist420: That was you projecting your pseudo outrage against my opinion.actually no. you responded to a comment not directed towards you.
The more you eat the more you fart: Having an ego, and correcting someone REPEATEDLY who pretends to know what they are talking about even when they are clearly wrong are not the same things.
The more you eat the more you fart: Are you stupid or do you just not read well?
The more you eat the more you fart: suck on THAT.
BarkingUnicorn: vrax: BarkingUnicorn: vrax: BarkingUnicorn: vrax: The 4chan Psychiatrist: That said, it's rather unconscionable, and frankly disturbing, to picture that nurse just standing there, phone in hand, speaking calmly with that dispatcher while she watches a woman die who has no DNR/DNI on file.When you listen to the entire, uncut call, it's completely obvious that nobody on staff made any sort of medical determination as to the status of the patient. It was a 100% issue of liability even though the 911 dispatcher addressed the liability issue. The dispatcher was surprisingly cool and understanding, but firm during the entire call. Whomever up thread referred to her as a "spaz" is a farkin' moron. The people at the facility chose to be useless. Nobody should be surprised that people who aren't lobotomized are a bit stunned upon hearing the call.I think one must be a little out of touch with reality, a.k.a. "lobotomized," to be stunned by the call. "It aint what we don't know that gets us in trouble, it's what we think we know that aint so," said Mark Twain.Well, if you look at it from the perspective that people do shiatty things all the time, then sure."Do shiatty things" is the archetypical job description. Would it make you feel better to imagine that the same people might have done more for this woman if they weren't at work? Then do so.Why would I play make believe in their favor, when we have the simple fact that, based on policy, they chose to do nothing?I said do it if it would make you feel better, unless believing that people do shiatty things all the time makes you feel better still. But then you're out of touch with reality again; maybe that makes you feel as good as possible.Whatever you do, you will do it because it makes you feel better.
The more you eat the more you fart: hardinparamedic: I owe you an apology , Farts. When I get off this transport ill explaikI suspect I know what for, but I assure you I will make no attempt to rub your nose in it.I have made mistakes myself, and am aware it takes a big person to apologize when a mistake is made.
The more you eat the more you fart: would not have been able to be saved even if she collapsed infront of a neurosurgeon. she was dead before her body hit the floor
The more you eat the more you fart: The nurse, who wasn't acting as a nurse at the time, acted appropriately. end of story.
The more you eat the more you fart: Actually, my reputation at work is one of being someone that can absolutely be relied upon when the chips are down to make rational, well-informed decisions.
The more you eat the more you fart: I agree with everything except that the 911 dispatchers ARENT "highly trained".they have AT MOST 6 months at a vocational "college"
The more you eat the more you fart: log_jammin: The more you eat the more you fart: You haven't corrected me on anything, dipshiat.remember when you said that putting her in a facility without nursing staff was the same thing as a DNR? and implied that CPR is the same as "prolonged intervention"? boy I do. good times.No..I dont. because I never said EITHER of those things.
ladyfortuna: Where's Bronymedic, he should be in this discussion..
Bigdogdaddy: The more you eat the more you fart: hardinparamedic: The more you eat the more you fart: REALLY?!The family's response to the media "outrage"....And, as someone who has saved "hundreds of lives", you should know that the only legally and ethically acceptable reasons to withhold lifesaving intervention from a patient is if they have a signed DNR order, or you have a physician telling you to.Except that you are WRONG.You're a medic. Not a nurse. You do not have the level of medical training that I do. And legally, I am able to determine whether or not lifesaving measures should be taken or not...or whether or not they would be effective. You, as a medic, are not licensed to make this determination. I am.If you aren't aware that certain nurses in several states are legally allowed to make this determination, then I dont know what to tell you...except that in NO state is a medic legally able to do so.Also, from what I understand is that if I am not trained to preform CPR correctly I am not to do so. It is more than pounding on a chest. Of course, I'm from a "flyover" state and it varies from state to state.
hardinparamedic: The more you eat the more you fart: REALLY?!The family's response to the media "outrage"....And, as someone who has saved "hundreds of lives", you should know that the only legally and ethically acceptable reasons to withhold lifesaving intervention from a patient is if they have a signed DNR order, or you have a physician telling you to.I hate the fact that I have to code a 78 year old Alzheimer patient who was long ago confined to a bed, contractured, and has no quality of life. But I don't get to make that decision, and neither does anyone else without the above. I abhor it. And I hope I don't get someone back in that case - as many other people will admit. Life at any costs is utterly cruel. But the alternative is letting people make decisions based on their own personal bias and feelings - decisions which may or may not be the wish of that patient.
The more you eat the more you fart: Dude...give it a REST already.
tlchwi02: sheesh, I didn't know we had the king o' nurses on fark. who gives a crap, an old person lived in a place where she knew there weren't first responders and shockingly when she needed one, there weren't any and her family is shrugging it off. if you're that worked up about it, make sure your relatives and you lives in a place with actual medical staff on site when they/you get old. otherwise, whatever
me texan: I am sure you have some valid points in there, but I am not reading it. You've made me regret even having stated an opinion, regardless of how informed or lack thereof I was of the situation.
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