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(Bakersfield Californian)   While internet rages over a "nurse" failing to perform CPR at a "nursing home", family of the 87 year old woman is OK with it   (bakersfieldcalifornian.com) divider line 380
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2013-03-06 03:37:47 AM

log_jammin: The more you eat the more you fart: Are you stupid or do you just not read well?

he obviously must be one of those people with a huge ego. unlike you of course. where does that lowly peon get off disagreeing with a NURSE of all people! he should know his place.


Having an ego, and correcting someone REPEATEDLY who pretends to know what they are talking about even when they are clearly wrong are not the same things.

Nice try.
 
2013-03-06 03:39:09 AM
Frankly, if I ever roll by an accident scene, unless there seems to be a child or someone in severe stress, before EMS has arrived I just keep on going.  I know many people will think that I'm an asshole, but honestly, most people in the medical profession are like that.  There's just too much risk and liability to helping someone when not on the job.

In nursing school they actually highly recommended that we do not stop and help on the scenes of an accident because of the risk associated with it.  It's quite sad, but maybe we should have a look at our legal system?
 
2013-03-06 03:41:15 AM

log_jammin: The more you eat the more you fart: Are you stupid or do you just not read well?

he obviously must be one of those people with a huge ego. unlike you of course. where does that lowly peon get off disagreeing with a NURSE of all people! he should know his place.


Everyone has the right (and moral obligation) to disagree with someone of higher medical training than themselves when they feel it puts the patient at risk.  However, my main gripe is that sometimes they go overboard with it.  The blame can be equally spread.
 
2013-03-06 03:43:11 AM

Maximer: It's quite sad, but maybe we should have a look at our legal system?


Yeah, we'll have some lawyers get right on that.
 
2013-03-06 03:43:47 AM

Ishidan: Hey whaddaya know, another article showing the actual TRANSCRIPT of the call.
http://www.bakersfieldcalifornian.com/local/breaking-news/x738926964 /E xcerpts-from-the-Glenwood-911-call

So, speaking as-as I've mentioned-a nonlawyer, nonmedic J .Random Goon, here are facts I can glean.

1.  The patient collapsed in a public area in full view of multiple staff members and multiple other patients, and had a witnessed respiratory arrest during the course of the call.
2.  The caller (herein referred to as "caller", not "nurse", for reasons soon to be explained) promptly called for both 911 support and her boss,  as well as other coworkers within screaming distance.
3.  During the course of the call, the caller identified herself as a "nurse", but without using a proper rank name such as LPN, RN, RNA, etc.  Therefore we cannot determine the caller's licensure status.
4.  During the course of the call, the caller was not aided by ANY other facility employee within sight of the incident, and was directly ordered by her supervisor not to obey Dispatcher commands to start CPR-not for the least of which, no doubt, because of the resulting bone-crushing sights and sounds and their results on the other clients.  Facility policy was clearly not to turn "fell down, passed out, carted away by ambulance, never came back" into "fell down, passed out, nurse mashed her flat, then ambulance came."
5.  The Dispatcher attempted to order the Caller to have ANY passerby-regardless of training in CPR or other basic lifesaving, medical licensure, legal connection to the facility, or otherwise-begin CPR via telephone instruction.

Discuss.


Well, that's kinda what we're doing.

You missed one thing:  the nurse, Colleen, was the third employee to whom that 911 dispatcher was passed.  She didn't place the call.
 
2013-03-06 03:43:50 AM

Maximer: Frankly, if I ever roll by an accident scene, unless there seems to be a child or someone in severe stress, before EMS has arrived I just keep on going.  I know many people will think that I'm an asshole, but honestly, most people in the medical profession are like that.  There's just too much risk and liability to helping someone when not on the job.

In nursing school they actually highly recommended that we do not stop and help on the scenes of an accident because of the risk associated with it.  It's quite sad, but maybe we should have a look at our legal system?


I stop at every accident that I see.  Yes, it opens me up to liability that is greater than your average LPN or BSN due to my trauma nurse status, but I can't just roll by.  I have seen some awful things for sure, but have 23 roadside saves to my credit...people who would have, without any doubt, be dead if it were not for immediate medical intervention by someone who knew what they were doing.

I agree about the legal system.  I've ALWAYS said since my early days as an LPN that nursing is one of the FEW professions where literally EVERYONE is out to fark you.  doctors, families, patients, OTHER NURSES, CNA's, janitors, etc.  EVERYONE actively tries to find how "that nurse" farked up and nail them to the wall for it.

Still, I LOVE my job, and wouldnt EVER do anything else.
 
2013-03-06 03:44:08 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: Having an ego, and correcting someone REPEATEDLY who pretends to know what they are talking about even when they are clearly wrong are not the same things.


as someone who has corrected you repeatedly in this thread, trust me, I know the difference.
 
2013-03-06 03:45:03 AM
"The medical profession is a place of huge egos unfortunately. It's one of the major drawbacks to me".

Pot, meet kettle.
 
2013-03-06 03:45:25 AM

Maximer: (and moral obligation)


according to some in this thread, there is no such thing.
 
2013-03-06 03:48:01 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: nursing is one of the FEW professions where literally EVERYONE is out to fark you. doctors, families, patients, OTHER NURSES, CNA's, janitors, etc. EVERYONE actively tries to find how "that nurse" farked up and nail them to the wall for it.


Have you ever considered the possibility that it's not everyone else, and that it may just be you that is the problem? because going by your comments here, I'd say that would be a good bet.
 
2013-03-06 03:48:05 AM

log_jammin: Bigdogdaddy: If someone was trapped in a burning car and I would put my life in danger should I be required to drag them out?

I would say you have a legal as well as a moral obligation to do more than just watch.


In some states, but not all, you have a legal duty to notify emergency services of an emergency before you break out the marshmallows.

Your morality does not oblige me to do anything. So we tell Christians here on Fark.
 
2013-03-06 03:48:11 AM
The more you eat the more you fart:

Still, I LOVE my job, and wouldnt EVER do anything else.

Yep, this.  Although, we all have our rough days.  I work in NICU.  Lost one today.  Although, this is not completely unexpected in NICU it always sucks when it happens.

So, of course, late-night farking is called for... and of course... a nursing thread.  Yay!
 
2013-03-06 03:49:59 AM

BarkingUnicorn: Your morality does not oblige me to do anything. So we tell Christians here on Fark.


hence my "so I'll add you to the "If I'm not legally obligated then I can't be bothered" camp" comment.
 
2013-03-06 03:50:57 AM

Maximer: log_jammin: The more you eat the more you fart: Are you stupid or do you just not read well?

he obviously must be one of those people with a huge ego. unlike you of course. where does that lowly peon get off disagreeing with a NURSE of all people! he should know his place.

Everyone has the right (and moral obligation) to disagree with someone of higher medical training than themselves when they feel it puts the patient at risk.  However, my main gripe is that sometimes they go overboard with it.  The blame can be equally spread.


Agreed.  I have nearly gotten fired for loudly disagreeing with a physician over a situation I KNEW was bad, and the physician wasn't hearing it.

The short version:  She had given a patient a prescription of an SSRI without noticing the patient was ALREADY taking prozac.  Three days later, the woman was running fever, having muscle spasms, etc.

I took it to the doctor, and told her I suspected the patient of having seratonin syndrome.  The physician disagreed, and told me she thought the woman had the flu.

5 hours later, after her second seizure, I went to the medical director with my complaint about the physician not listening.  They ran some tests, and confirmed that the patient indeed had seratonin syndrome, which is usually fatal.

So yeah, I completely agree with a bit of "checks and balances", but taken too far, it become just silly...like a 911 dispatcher telling a nurse to do CPR on a patient that died of a stroke because the medic doesnt possess the medical knowledge to realize that it wouldnt make a bit of difference at all.

the dispatcher was reading off a script.  Plain and simple.  Its the medical version of tech support from someone in India reading a script that tells you to turn off your computer and wait 30 seconds before turning it back on.  The person who knows better on the other end is going "Its NOT gonna fix the problem you dumbfark!"  Same thing in this situation..except its medical in nature.
 
2013-03-06 03:52:29 AM

CBFLATLINE: "The medical profession is a place of huge egos unfortunately. It's one of the major drawbacks to me".

Pot, meet kettle.


He is completely wrong, as well, with that "Trauma Nurse" bullshiat, but ill be happy to post the applicable Tennessee code when I get on a desktop.
 
2013-03-06 03:53:04 AM

log_jammin: andychrist420: that's not true.

/wee, this is fun
//you might have an obligation to try to get help, but none to put your own life in danger.
///thanks for playing

I was under the impression that getting help is more than standing there and watching. Thanks for setting me straight.


You're welcome.  And I never said do nothing.  That was you projecting your pseudo outrage against my opinion.  If you call 911, flag down a passing motorist, whatever, your (non-legal) obligation to get help has been met.  At no time are you under any legal obligation to put your life and well being in danger to help another person.  But go ahead, tell me what an awful person I am.

/going to bed
//you should too.  you're not making sense
 
2013-03-06 03:53:12 AM

Maximer: The more you eat the more you fart:

Still, I LOVE my job, and wouldnt EVER do anything else.

Yep, this.  Although, we all have our rough days.  I work in NICU.  Lost one today.  Although, this is not completely unexpected in NICU it always sucks when it happens.

So, of course, late-night farking is called for... and of course... a nursing thread.  Yay!


more power to you...I cant do NICU.  It's bad enough when we get an MVA with a little kid involved as it is...

as a pediatrician once told me "If you work in the NICU, its not a question of IF you will get sued...its WHEN and how often."
 
2013-03-06 03:54:24 AM

hardinparamedic: You're missing the point. By state and federal law, you do not get to make that decision. That patient, through his/her advanced directives and DNR, and a Physician who can justify the witholding of resuscitative care is the only ones who can do so.


You mean when she in, by accounts, sound mind, chose to live there and signed her own lease and made her own decision to live there having been explained and had a chance to review the policies of the apartment building?  I too would have a difficult time standing by but it wasn't my choice, it wasn't the "nurse"s choice and it wasn't yours.

From the family's statement it sounds like she made her intentions clear and everyone involved respected it.  I intend to respect her choice and the family's privacy in this time of grief as well and move on.

/Feel free to call me every name in the book and argue to your heart's content.  I won't be returning to this thread.
 
2013-03-06 03:54:31 AM

log_jammin: The more you eat the more you fart: Having an ego, and correcting someone REPEATEDLY who pretends to know what they are talking about even when they are clearly wrong are not the same things.

as someone who has corrected you repeatedly in this thread, trust me, I know the difference.


You haven't corrected me on anything, dipshiat.
 
2013-03-06 03:55:19 AM

Maximer: The more you eat the more you fart:

Also, I would suggest hardinparamedic stops trying to speak about the state board of nursing like he actually has authority to do so, or that he even knows wtf their rules are...considering that he isn't even a nurse.

One of the most annoying aspects of the medical profession is that every profession (i.e. doctor, RN, LPN, CNA, PA, EMT, Paramedic, etc.) think they know better or know more than every other profession in the field.  They also all seem to know how to do each other's jobs.

The medical profession is a place of huge egos unfortunately.  It's one of the major drawbacks to me.


Beware of True Believers in anything:  Christianity, atheism, social responsibility, vegetarianism, motherhood, whatever.  They're all utterly convinced of their righteousness and everyone else's ignorance.
 
2013-03-06 03:55:23 AM

andychrist420: That was you projecting your pseudo outrage against my opinion.


actually no. you responded to a comment not directed towards you.
 
2013-03-06 03:55:41 AM

hardinparamedic: CBFLATLINE: "The medical profession is a place of huge egos unfortunately. It's one of the major drawbacks to me".

Pot, meet kettle.

He is completely wrong, as well, with that "Trauma Nurse" bullshiat, but ill be happy to post the applicable Tennessee code when I get on a desktop.


Oh really?  there are SEVERAL nurses in this thread that I'm MORE than sure could vouch for what I said being absolutely true.

"trauma nurse"?  you do realize such a thing exists right? lmao!
 
2013-03-06 03:59:06 AM
The more you eat the more you fart:

more power to you...I cant do NICU.  It's bad enough when we get an MVA with a little kid involved as it is...

as a pediatrician once told me "If you work in the NICU, its not a question of IF you will get sued...its WHEN and how often."


Yeah, NICU definitely isn't for everyone.  And, after a while, all the loses start to take a toll.  I don't know how much longer I'll be doing it.  I think I'm getting to the end of my stretch on it... but who knows?  It's the ones like today where we were making good movement then "boom", just like that, we lose them.  *sigh*

And, unfortunately, you're right about the "getting sued" thing.  I've been lucky, but it's going to happen.  What a lot of people don't understand is that NICU patients are the weakest of the weakest and can go south on a second's notice.  Everyone in NICU is fully committed (you have to be if you want to work there) but medicine is as much an art as it is a science and sometimes the art doesn't work out exactly as planned.  But, of course, a lawsuit is in order.  It pushes a lot of great and competent people out of the field.
 
2013-03-06 03:59:23 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: You haven't corrected me on anything, dipshiat.


remember when you said that putting her in a facility without nursing staff was the same thing as a DNR? and implied that CPR is the same as "prolonged intervention"? boy I do. good times.
 
2013-03-06 04:02:43 AM

hardinparamedic: ladyfortuna: Where's Bronymedic, he should be in this discussion..

here. :P


Aha! I knew I greened you for a reason.

Don't you love Fark when a subject matter expert (like yourself) has to respond to morans with a degree from BarcaLounger U who watched too much ER?

This country is infected with people with more opinion than smarts.
 
2013-03-06 04:04:19 AM

hardinparamedic: CBFLATLINE: "The medical profession is a place of huge egos unfortunately. It's one of the major drawbacks to me".

Pot, meet kettle.

He is completely wrong, as well, with that "Trauma Nurse" bullshiat, but ill be happy to post the applicable Tennessee code when I get on a desktop.


Ok..HERE is my ego:

sorry, but I'm not gonna take medical advice from some guy who barely made it out of high school and went to a vocational school to become a "medic".

I have a master's +30 in my field, and am licensed by my state as a "Trauma Nurse, MSN, Level 2-A" which means I out-rank you in skill, knowledge, and practical application by an order of magnitude.

dont act like you know better than I do what my job is, because you dont.  You dont even have basic anatomy/physiology classes under your belt for your "medic" status.

It's extremely rare for me to pull out the "you are ignorant" card, but in YOUR case, this warrants it.

YOU trying to tell ME that you know better than I do is like a radio shack employee trying to tell a nuclear engineer that they know more about building a nuclear bomb because they have minimal experience with electronics.

You need a reality check.
 
2013-03-06 04:05:21 AM

log_jammin: The more you eat the more you fart: You haven't corrected me on anything, dipshiat.

remember when you said that putting her in a facility without nursing staff was the same thing as a DNR? and implied that CPR is the same as "prolonged intervention"? boy I do. good times.


No..I dont.  because I never said EITHER of those things.
 
2013-03-06 04:07:00 AM

log_jammin: Maximer: (and moral obligation)

according to some in this thread, there is no such thing.


There is, but it applies only to the person who holds the moral tenet.

Or shall we let employers deny birth control to employees?  You're doing the same farking thing that you deplore in the Catholic Church, Hobby Lobby, et. al.
 
2013-03-06 04:08:26 AM

Maximer: The more you eat the more you fart:

more power to you...I cant do NICU.  It's bad enough when we get an MVA with a little kid involved as it is...

as a pediatrician once told me "If you work in the NICU, its not a question of IF you will get sued...its WHEN and how often."

Yeah, NICU definitely isn't for everyone.  And, after a while, all the loses start to take a toll.  I don't know how much longer I'll be doing it.  I think I'm getting to the end of my stretch on it... but who knows?  It's the ones like today where we were making good movement then "boom", just like that, we lose them.  *sigh*

And, unfortunately, you're right about the "getting sued" thing.  I've been lucky, but it's going to happen.  What a lot of people don't understand is that NICU patients are the weakest of the weakest and can go south on a second's notice.  Everyone in NICU is fully committed (you have to be if you want to work there) but medicine is as much an art as it is a science and sometimes the art doesn't work out exactly as planned.  But, of course, a lawsuit is in order.  It pushes a lot of great and competent people out of the field.


Well, you have MY respect for sure.

I agree, lawsuits DO push a lot of good people out.

I had to do a rotation in the NICU, and was actually surprised how FAST those little kiddos can go south.  From "juuust fine" to "there's nothing we can do" in seconds...literally.

I already know...I'm not cut out for it.  I'll stick to the ER/trauma department.
 
2013-03-06 04:09:18 AM

cretinbob: lyanna96: True. Had just this exact thing happen Monday. 100yo, coded him for 3 hours, broke every rib. Made it ICU to code 2 more times before finally passing. Life would have sucked if they live r/t rib fractures, pain, brain anoxia. Difference was that family insisted on all measures to make the pt live even if they were miserable doing it.

That's the conversation that needs to come out of this. Now the family has a huge bill for what was a futile effort to begin with, but hey, profits right?


No.  Not profits.  (See earlier post in original article about my opinion on this attitude.)

The MDs kept asking the family if they could stop trying to resuscitate, the family continually insisted they continue.
 
2013-03-06 04:09:43 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: log_jammin: The more you eat the more you fart: You haven't corrected me on anything, dipshiat.

remember when you said that putting her in a facility without nursing staff was the same thing as a DNR? and implied that CPR is the same as "prolonged intervention"? boy I do. good times.

No..I dont.  because I never said EITHER of those things.


02:17:35 AM
 
2013-03-06 04:11:28 AM

log_jammin: BarkingUnicorn: Your morality does not oblige me to do anything. So we tell Christians here on Fark.

hence my "so I'll add you to the "If I'm not legally obligated then I can't be bothered" camp" comment.


People do many things without being legally obliged to do them.  They do things because things make them feel good.
 
2013-03-06 04:11:47 AM

BarkingUnicorn: Or shall we let employers deny birth control to employees?


So if we say there is a moral obligation to try to save someones life who is dieing in front of us, we must also say it's ok for employers to deny birth control?

really?
 
2013-03-06 04:13:34 AM
pics2.city-data.com
Armpit of the State - Bakersfield
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB9UO4QT2Y8

/hotter than hell
 
2013-03-06 04:14:58 AM

BarkingUnicorn: People do many things without being legally obliged to do them. They do things because things make them feel good.


when my newborn woke up at 3 am crying and with a shiatty diaper, I didn't get up and change him and feed him because it "felt good" or because I wanted to. I did it because it was the right thing to do.

People don't help others just because it benefits themselves.
 
2013-03-06 04:16:05 AM

log_jammin: The more you eat the more you fart: log_jammin: The more you eat the more you fart: You haven't corrected me on anything, dipshiat.

remember when you said that putting her in a facility without nursing staff was the same thing as a DNR? and implied that CPR is the same as "prolonged intervention"? boy I do. good times.

No..I dont.  because I never said EITHER of those things.

02:17:35 AM


That's weird bc I never said its the same as a DNR, not did I ever state that cpr is a prolonged intervention.

Let me explain this to you SLOWLY so you will understand:

the woman IS a nurse...meaning she has a license.  HOWEVER, she is not employed at the facility AS a nurse.

that means, she is NOT covered or even ALLOWED to act as a nurse in that facility, because as an LPN or RN, there is no DOCTOR in the facility for her to practice under.

Therefore, the fact that she holds a nursing license is irrelevant, and the rules of the state board of nursing DO NOT APPLY TO HER IN THIS SITUATION BECAUSE SHE WASN'T EMPLOYED AS A NURSE BY THE FACILITY AND THERE IS NOT PHYSICIAN OVER HER....making it ILLEGAL for her to practice nursing there, despite the fact that she has a license.

WTF is wrong with you that you can't comprehend this?!?!?!?!

Dumbass motherfarkers and your inability to comprehend because you dont know how the nursing profession actually farking WORKS because you ARENT A NURSE.
 
2013-03-06 04:16:29 AM

Torion!: [pics2.city-data.com image 422x359]
Armpit of the State - Bakersfield
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB9UO4QT2Y8

/hotter than hell


Well, at least there's something everyone can agree upon.
 
2013-03-06 04:17:34 AM

log_jammin: andychrist420: That was you projecting your pseudo outrage against my opinion.

actually no. you responded to a comment not directed towards you.


Except you quoted me, so it was directed towards me.  I made a comment that your statement was wrong, and you decided to make an assumption.  Whether it was directed to me or not is irrelevant.  Is this a "speak only when spoken to" forum?  Didn't know I was in the presence of royalty.
 
2013-03-06 04:18:22 AM

log_jammin: BarkingUnicorn: Or shall we let employers deny birth control to employees?

So if we say there is a moral obligation to try to save someones life who is dieing in front of us, we must also say it's ok for employers to deny birth control?

really?


If you don't want to be a hypocrite, yes.
 
2013-03-06 04:19:12 AM

andychrist420: log_jammin: andychrist420: That was you projecting your pseudo outrage against my opinion.

actually no. you responded to a comment not directed towards you.

Except you quoted me, so it was directed towards me.  I made a comment that your statement was wrong, and you decided to make an assumption.  Whether it was directed to me or not is irrelevant.  Is this a "speak only when spoken to" forum?  Didn't know I was in the presence of royalty.


You aren't.  He's just one DUMB motherfarker.  Arguing with him is like banging your head on the wall....he too stupid to realize HOW stupid he is.
 
2013-03-06 04:22:25 AM
We are having the opposite of this story around here. Grandpa is 88, had leukemia, and is refusing chemo. Most of the family is harping at him about how selfish they think he is, trying to convince him to receive treatment. Grandpa says, "If it's my time, let me go. Don't torture me on the way out." They all roll their eyes and talk to him like he's an infant. I'm on team Grandpa. It's the end of HIS life; let him decide. Much like the woman who died in TFA. Her family indicated that this is what she wanted.
 
2013-03-06 04:22:25 AM

hardinparamedic: Apparently, the woman did NOT have a Do Not Resuscitate order or Advanced Directive stating NO CPR.

It doesn't matter if the family was happy with the care or not. If she was negligent, or violated the rules of her nursing practice, she needs to be held accountable for it.


Though, wouldn't signing the agreement, of which all parties were aware , and accepting of the facilities policy not to perform CPR, be a tacit directive?  Not familiar with the legalities, just curious.
 
2013-03-06 04:24:51 AM

msbav8r: hardinparamedic: Apparently, the woman did NOT have a Do Not Resuscitate order or Advanced Directive stating NO CPR.

It doesn't matter if the family was happy with the care or not. If she was negligent, or violated the rules of her nursing practice, she needs to be held accountable for it.

Though, wouldn't signing the agreement, of which all parties were aware , and accepting of the facilities policy not to perform CPR, be a tacit directive?  Not familiar with the legalities, just curious.


YES.

Assisted living is NOT a nursing home.  Read my previous statement as to WHY the woman on the 911 tape isn't gonna be found guilty.

EVERYONE here who is a nurse will get it right away.
 
2013-03-06 04:25:38 AM

log_jammin: BarkingUnicorn: People do many things without being legally obliged to do them. They do things because things make them feel good.

when my newborn woke up at 3 am crying and with a shiatty diaper, I didn't get up and change him and feed him because it "felt good" or because I wanted to. I did it because it was the right thing to do.

People don't help others just because it benefits themselves.


Did I say "just because?"  You did the right thing because doing right makes you feel good.  Also, leaving babby in shiatty diapers would get you thrown in jail, where you would not feel good  because your spouse ripped you genitals off before you were arrested.

Yes, people help others because it makes them feel good.  And there's nothing wrong with that.  It's the only thing we can completely rely upon to make people help others.  You might not have a spouse, and you might not get caught leaving babby in shiatty diapers.  But the drive to feel good is inescapable.
 
2013-03-06 04:27:07 AM

andychrist420: Except you quoted me, so it was directed towards me.


seriously. just go to bed like you said you were.
 
2013-03-06 04:27:28 AM
Okay, I think I started to post this in the earlier thread regarding this story but I think I abandoned that post because I didn't think it was really the same thing, but now it seems it is.

3.bp.blogspot.com

This is actually very similar to an episode of All in the Family.

It was one of the later seasons. Edith was working at the Sunshine Home (a nursing home) and she was with a woman she had made friends with when she died.

She started to get help, but the woman was ready to die and just wanted someone there with her when she did (her family never visited her), so Edith sat by her bed and the woman died peacefully with Edith by her side.

When the dead woman's family found out (the same family that never visited her), they were OUTRAGED and Edith got fired.

Aw, jeez.
 
2013-03-06 04:31:45 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: making it ILLEGAL for her to practice nursing there, despite the fact that she has a license.


Performing emergency CPR on a dieing woman is not "practicing nursing". I would think with your supposed "23 roadside saves" you would know this.
 
2013-03-06 04:33:19 AM

log_jammin: The more you eat the more you fart: making it ILLEGAL for her to practice nursing there, despite the fact that she has a license.

Performing emergency CPR on a dieing woman is not "practicing nursing". I would think with your supposed "23 roadside saves" you would know this.


As I've said, if she wasn't practicing nursing then she had no duty to perform CPR against her employer's orders.
 
2013-03-06 04:36:44 AM

log_jammin: The more you eat the more you fart: making it ILLEGAL for her to practice nursing there, despite the fact that she has a license.

Performing emergency CPR on a dieing woman is not "practicing nursing". I would think with your supposed "23 roadside saves" you would know this.


you really ARE stupid.  Good GOD.

It IS practicing nursing if you are doing so as a matter of course of your job, and since she wasn't employed there as a nurse, and wasn't ACTING as a nurse (because it would be illegal for her to do so), she has no OBLIGATION as a nurse to do CPR as demanded by her board of nursing.

CPR in a hospital = practicing nursing
CPR on the roadside = good samaritan

NOT the same thing, dumbfark.

A layperson cannot be compelled to perform CPR, and since she wasn't acting in the capacity as a nurse, she is a defacto layperson...making her licensed nurse status a non-issue.

seriously..you need to stfu.
 
2013-03-06 04:37:45 AM

BarkingUnicorn: If you don't want to be a hypocrite, yes.


um no. not even remotely in the same ball park.

BarkingUnicorn: Did I say "just because?"


pretty much. you also go on to pretty much say "just because" in the rest of your post. like in the very next sentence where you say "You did the right thing because doing right makes you feel good."

And I'm telling you i didn't do it because it made me feel good. I did something I didn't want to do because as a new father I had a moral obligation to do something that most definitely didn't make me feel good at all. something that was the exact opposite of what would make me feel good, like going back to sleep in my warm bed. nor was it a case of doing what I didn't want to do because of fear of legal reprisal.
 
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