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2013-03-05 06:38:40 PM
I'm starting to have a lot of doubts about the Steambox. Seems to me they're just going to piss off PC players by focusing on the Steambox and tailoring games for it, while most console players won't pick it up because they're going to be getting the next Xbox or Playstation.

Most PC gamers are either perfectly content with playing on a computer screen/in front of a desk, and those that aren't already have their PC set up to do everything on their TV. I can play any PC game right now on my living room TV, or just switch it to the monitor when the girlfriend wants to watch some not-so-quality programming.
 
2013-03-05 07:53:03 PM
My hope for the Steambox is that it provides the pull to make sure all games run well on Unix-like OSes. I refuse to install Windows for the sole purpose of playing games. I use Windows at work, and I'm perfectly happy to leave it there.
 
2013-03-05 08:02:43 PM
art.penny-arcade.com
 
2013-03-05 08:13:20 PM

scottydoesntknow: I'm starting to have a lot of doubts about the Steambox. Seems to me they're just going to piss off PC players by focusing on the Steambox and tailoring games for it,


I got that from the article's emphasis on what controller they'll be using for it.

Controllers are fine for platform games.  They are absolute shiat for anything with a first person aspect.
 
2013-03-05 08:14:06 PM
Does this mean a new Half-Life game?

Please?
 
2013-03-05 08:15:24 PM
I have a feeling this is designed to run nothing but the 1000 of all all those $5-$10 indy games on Steam that can run smoothly on an Athlon 64 still..
 
2013-03-05 08:17:36 PM
I just came.
 
2013-03-05 08:19:12 PM
On one hand, this will probably get a lot more games on Linux, but on the other hand, it'll be a shooters and other "console friendly" games and not all the strategy games I would like to see. I guess I'll be sticking with WINE for a bit longer.
 
2013-03-05 08:24:27 PM

StrangeQ: scottydoesntknow: I'm starting to have a lot of doubts about the Steambox. Seems to me they're just going to piss off PC players by focusing on the Steambox and tailoring games for it,

I got that from the article's emphasis on what controller they'll be using for it.

Controllers are fine for platform games.  They are absolute shiat for anything with a first person aspect.


Why does providing a controller mean that you can't hook up a keyboard/mouse combo to one of the 8 farking USB ports on the back? I don't understand how that makes it a deal breaker? Besides, they don't really develop most of the games, they provide a marketplace for other developers' games...

/Yes, I know Valve has their own games, but it's not the majority of Steam's library
 
2013-03-05 08:29:22 PM

scottydoesntknow: Seems to me they're just going to piss off PC players by focusing on the Steambox and tailoring games for it,


What makes you say that? I'm sure the controller will plug into a PC just as easily, for the games that really benefit from it.
 
2013-03-05 08:30:36 PM
I already have a steam box, my PC.
 
2013-03-05 08:31:50 PM

styckx: I have a feeling this is designed to run nothing but the 1000 of all all those $5-$10 indy games on Steam that can run smoothly on an Athlon 64 still..


What makes you say that? I'm sure they will be using that as a selling point, just like MS uses Live Arcade as a selling point. I don't see why that would exclude AAA games
 
2013-03-05 08:35:05 PM

jonny_q: styckx: I have a feeling this is designed to run nothing but the 1000 of all all those $5-$10 indy games on Steam that can run smoothly on an Athlon 64 still..

What makes you say that? I'm sure they will be using that as a selling point, just like MS uses Live Arcade as a selling point. I don't see why that would exclude AAA games


AAA titles aren't going to bow to steam to release a linux port as well as a PC port and an Xbox port when it was developed for Playstation.
 
2013-03-05 08:35:11 PM

StrangeQ: scottydoesntknow: I'm starting to have a lot of doubts about the Steambox. Seems to me they're just going to piss off PC players by focusing on the Steambox and tailoring games for it,

I got that from the article's emphasis on what controller they'll be using for it.

Controllers are fine for platform games.  They are absolute shiat for anything with a first person aspect.


I disagree. I have been playing games since the 70s, and of those many have been FPS games. I got sick of hunching over the desk, getting a blister on my wrist, and letting my face hover a few inches from the screen about a decade ago.

I've played plenty of FPS games with the Xbox 360 controller for PC. I do well enough, and though I don't really get ultra-competitive, I do have a lot of fun while I'm kicking back on the couch.

When I installed Skyrim on my PC, the first thing I did before playing was to connect the controller (I HATE playing Skyrim with keyboard and mouse), and there are plenty of FPS games on the consoles that are a blast with the controller, too.

And though I don't play to be some sort of gaming champion, I can still kick an ass or two playing with a controller against mouse+keyboard guys on the PC. I can strafe and aim better now with the analog sticks than I can with the mouse and keyboard.

And my back feels better after a gaming session, too.

Now, keyboard and mouse is what you need for a RTS game, certainly, and a lot of simulations just don't work with a controller. Sim City, for example, sucks with a controller. So does Starcraft. But FPS games are just dandy with a controller.
 
2013-03-05 08:38:26 PM

Mikey1969: Why does providing a controller mean that you can't hook up a keyboard/mouse combo to one of the 8 farking USB ports on the back? I don't understand how that makes it a deal breaker? Besides, they don't really develop most of the games, they provide a marketplace for other developers' games...


Just a thought... using mouse/keyboard in the living room is a pain in the ass. Dual-stick game pads suck. So, what's the solution? I like the Wii controls for Metroid, but that's not nearly good enough. I haven't tried any FPSs with a PS Move, so I have no idea if that's any better. Do we need to come up with something completely different? Are there any weird alternatives out there?
 
2013-03-05 08:48:45 PM

scottydoesntknow: I'm starting to have a lot of doubts about the Steambox. Seems to me they're just going to piss off PC players by focusing on the Steambox and tailoring games for it, while most console players won't pick it up because they're going to be getting the next Xbox or Playstation.

Most PC gamers are either perfectly content with playing on a computer screen/in front of a desk, and those that aren't already have their PC set up to do everything on their TV. I can play any PC game right now on my living room TV, or just switch it to the monitor when the girlfriend wants to watch some not-so-quality programming.


With both MS and Sony going with a X86 APU setup, I'd bet the house Steambox does the same.

Honestly, steambox is only 1/2 for the fans.  The other part of it is giving Dev's a large PC install base of very specific hardware to code towards; cutting costs, dev time, and variables.  Valve is betting they can leverage steam to get people to adopt a "tighter" PC were you have much more limited upgrade options (traded for better return on those upgrades)

PC's are great and all, but they've long run on brute force to get the job done, if at all (patches, drivers, incompatible hardware, ect).
 
2013-03-05 08:51:03 PM
Also, I assume games on Steambox will be using OpenGL mostly?  Steambox is rumored to be linux, and you can't code with DX being a windows API.

Should be interesting, seeing as PS4 with still be using PSGL as their main API.
 
2013-03-05 08:51:56 PM
It's a pretty smart way to give indie developers access to the console community.  I don't need or want one but I'm glad they're making them.
 
2013-03-05 08:55:24 PM

king of vegas: Does this mean a new Half-Life game?

Please?


Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

No.
 
2013-03-05 08:56:42 PM

TyrantII: incompatible hardware


Honestly show me one instance of incompatibility in the last five years.

/not snark
//just disbelief.
 
2013-03-05 08:57:05 PM

PoTBoT: I already have a steam box, my PC.


QFT
 
2013-03-05 09:01:09 PM

jonny_q: Mikey1969: Why does providing a controller mean that you can't hook up a keyboard/mouse combo to one of the 8 farking USB ports on the back? I don't understand how that makes it a deal breaker? Besides, they don't really develop most of the games, they provide a marketplace for other developers' games...

Just a thought... using mouse/keyboard in the living room is a pain in the ass. Dual-stick game pads suck. So, what's the solution? I like the Wii controls for Metroid, but that's not nearly good enough. I haven't tried any FPSs with a PS Move, so I have no idea if that's any better. Do we need to come up with something completely different? Are there any weird alternatives out there?


For gaming? Good question, I'll never be.able to use a gamepad for FPS games, although they're perfect for sports games and for driving games. I think it's why I'm not too excited about playing in the living room, although it's a 50" screen. For general navigation of menus for loading movies and navigating the 'net, at least I've seen some options.
 
2013-03-05 09:01:10 PM

A_bomb37: TyrantII: incompatible hardware

Honestly show me one instance of incompatibility in the last five years.

/not snark
//just disbelief.


I had problems on Steam with Mirror's Edge and Batman:Arkham Asylum (also some other game that I don't recall just now) from Steam due to some video glitchy thing where after researching miscellaneous forums for awhile I learned that I had to go in to some config file(s) and change some video settings due to my video card being weird.
 
2013-03-05 09:01:55 PM
www.myvitalsolution.com

Look at all the DLC I just bought!
 
2013-03-05 09:07:01 PM

A_bomb37: TyrantII: incompatible hardware

Honestly show me one instance of incompatibility in the last five years.

/not snark
//just disbelief.


Well, for starters, I can't seem to get my 8 bit ISA soundblaster card to work.  I've jammed it as best as I could into a PCI slot, but Steam STILL can't recognize it.  Seriously, WTF?

\Though I would like it if Skyrim would let me see underwater the way they intended & for the surface of rocks and stuff to stop (randomly) strobing every single headache inducing frame.  Freaking drivers ain't done jack shiat about that.
 
2013-03-05 09:07:37 PM

sxacho: video settings


settings =/= hardware.

/but I get your jive.
 
2013-03-05 09:14:22 PM
I just wish they could convince EA to release a football game on Steambox, but I know that: a) They won't do it, and b) if they did it, it would be on Origin.

A football game is the one thing missing from a PC gamer's library.

/And not soccer. I like soccer, but no.
 
2013-03-05 09:19:07 PM

Shotgun Justice: I just wish they could convince EA to release a football game on Steambox, but I know that: a) They won't do it, and b) if they did it, it would be on Origin.

A football game is the one thing missing from a PC gamer's library.

/And not soccer. I like soccer, but no.


Here ya go, you can thank me later - if you can find me in my hiding spot:

http://www.abandonwaredos.com/abandonware-list.php?tp=10&gen=sport&s ub gentxt=american+football&subgen=80
 
2013-03-05 09:22:12 PM
Cool. Games on Xbox Live are a ripoff. In fact the whole Xbox online service is a ripoff.

Hopefully the controller doesn't suck shiat. I wonder if it will let me plug an Xbox 360 controller into it?

I'm also hoping it will let me use a media center remote or has its own, and includes a pirate-friendly media center application.
If it has all that I'll probably skip the next generation of consoles for this instead.
 
2013-03-05 09:22:40 PM

Shotgun Justice: I just wish they could convince EA to release a football game on Steambox, but I know that: a) They won't do it, and b) if they did it, it would be on Origin.

A football game is the one thing missing from a PC gamer's library.

/And not soccer. I like soccer, but no.


Totally counts.
 
2013-03-05 09:32:59 PM
Cool.  Chuck in software support for bluetooth or whatever on the PC version of steam so that I can run the games in question on real hardware and I'd be fully willing to toss in twenty or thirty bucks for your custom controller or whatever and buy my shooters from you instead of Microsoft for a while.

sxacho: I had problems on Steam with Mirror's Edge and Batman:Arkham Asylum (also some other game that I don't recall just now) from Steam due to some video glitchy thing where after researching miscellaneous forums for awhile I learned that I had to go in to some config file(s) and change some video settings due to my video card being weird.


If you're actually getting interference from the steam interface or something (it gives me weird lag and sometimes graphical artefacts all the time) then it's entirely possible to just go into the steam folder, click the executable, and run the program without the Steam overlay.

I don't know about the new stuff designed for the steambox (might have to run on some sort of internal emulation or linux Virtual box or sommat) but it fixes most of the problems with single-player games and games with their own server network (like MMOs).  Can't do it with things that actually connect to content via the steam network like TF2, obviously, but still.
 
2013-03-05 09:35:36 PM
My body is ready.
 
2013-03-05 09:36:54 PM

jonny_q: scottydoesntknow: Seems to me they're just going to piss off PC players by focusing on the Steambox and tailoring games for it,

What makes you say that? I'm sure the controller will plug into a PC just as easily, for the games that really benefit from it.


Not just talking about the controller, but I will say something about that too. PC players love the mouse/keyboard for most games, so having a controller will suck for a lot of games. Maybe they'll let you plug in a keyboard/mouse and use that. Great, except it puts all the controller-using players at a blatant disadvantage in multiplayer games.

My biggest issue is whether or not you can upgrade the hardware, or if the tiered system of selling them will put some people at a disadvantage hardware-wise. I've seen reports saying they'll range from $300 for the bare-bones all the way up to $999+. This isn't like buying the Xbox 360 vs. 360 Ultimate, which means you get a wireless controller and a few extra gigs of hard drive space. A $600+ difference means there's going to be some pretty big sacrifices. And if you can't upgrade hardware, developers will be making games only to that capacity, which is one of the major complaints PC players lobby against consoles, or the "consolization" of some games. 4 years from now your Steambox might only be able to run Call of Duty 14 on low settings, whereas a PC rig will be able to do everything at high.

I hope I'm proven wrong, but there's a lot of hype being built for what I'm seeing is a console with Steam on it.

/PC and console gamer
 
2013-03-05 09:38:39 PM
I already have a Steam Box...YOUR MOTHER!
 
2013-03-05 09:47:20 PM

PoTBoT: I already have a steam box, my PC.


+1
 
2013-03-05 09:55:06 PM

Jim_Callahan: sxacho: I had problems on Steam with Mirror's Edge and Batman:Arkham Asylum (also some other game that I don't recall just now) from Steam due to some video glitchy thing where after researching miscellaneous forums for awhile I learned that I had to go in to some config file(s) and change some video settings due to my video card being weird.

If you're actually getting interference from the steam interface or something (it gives me weird lag and sometimes graphical artefacts all the time) then it's entirely possible to just go into the steam folder, click the executable, and run the program without the Steam overlay.


Easy mouse-clicking work-arounds are always my first choice in trying to solve computer problems. I clicked. I right clicked. I middle clicked. I ran as Administrator. I ran in DX9. I ran in DX10. I ran in full-screen and windowed modes. I tried running in every possible resolution. Everytime I'd hear the game start. Hear the menus and stuff load, hear my menu choices clicking as I moused over them, but just couldn't see anything. Couldn't even get out of the game. So a hard restart later I tried something else. Over and over and over again. Only then did I start digging into the config file solutions until I got it.

This actually may be due to my computer being hooked up to a crappy RCA TV that won't even accept signals from any existing universal remote. Not that the remote thing has anything to do with it, but it's just weird. I even called RCA, "Hey, none of my universal remotes work with your TV." "Oh yeah, that's not a bug, it's a feature. It's more secure that way."
 
2013-03-05 10:06:41 PM

PoTBoT: I already have a steam box, my PC.


cdn0.sbnation.com
 
2013-03-05 10:43:16 PM

PoTBoT: I already have a steam box, my PC.


Yeah pretty much. Im not against it, but the thing has absolutely no value to me.I just wish they would hurry up and release it  so the other sites I visit would quit spamming news about it.

Also, i like Steam as much as the next guy but the Valve fellating seems to be getting out of control lately. Its almost his Jennifer Lawrence levels.
 
2013-03-05 10:43:38 PM
I know no one cares about privacy anymore but I don't want Valve gathering my biometric data while I play.
 
2013-03-05 10:44:05 PM
*hit
 
2013-03-05 10:53:53 PM

Trollin4Colon: PoTBoT: I already have a steam box, my PC.

Yeah pretty much. Im not against it, but the thing has absolutely no value to me.I just wish they would hurry up and release it  so the other sites I visit would quit spamming news about it.

Also, i like Steam as much as the next guy but the Valve fellating seems to be getting out of control lately. Its almost his Jennifer Lawrence levels.


Yea I agree, I have nothing but positive thoughts about them but every article about them being ZOMG THE STEAMZZZ WALWE IZ SHIZNIZZ is getting a bit tiring.
 
2013-03-05 10:58:02 PM

scottydoesntknow: I'm starting to have a lot of doubts about the Steambox. Seems to me they're just going to piss off PC players by focusing on the Steambox and tailoring games for it, while most console players won't pick it up because they're going to be getting the next Xbox or Playstation.

Most PC gamers are either perfectly content with playing on a computer screen/in front of a desk, and those that aren't already have their PC set up to do everything on their TV. I can play any PC game right now on my living room TV, or just switch it to the monitor when the girlfriend wants to watch some not-so-quality programming.


Steambox presents a continually updated platform that can serve as a more reliable baseline when optimizing their games.

Essentially, they're just getting something more reliable and solid than their hardware surveys.

This is before going into the whole "get console gamers into PC gaming" shtick. Or the nice benefit of appealing to people who want to play on PC but don't want to assemble a PC - a market served by Alienware and similar and perfectly ripe for undercutting.
 
2013-03-05 11:02:03 PM

scottydoesntknow: I hope I'm proven wrong, but there's a lot of hype being built for what I'm seeing is a console with Steam on it.


The hardware was always said to be upgradeable, but the Piston series looks very, very locked down so I'm not sure if they just flaked on that idea.
I was honestly hoping for something closer to your standard mini-atx case/board setup.

I'll always have my full tower, but it's an attractive option for friends who at least know what Steam is but can't be arsed to replace their GPU or cpu/motherboard.
 
2013-03-05 11:12:28 PM

roflmaonow: Trollin4Colon: PoTBoT: I already have a steam box, my PC.

Yeah pretty much. Im not against it, but the thing has absolutely no value to me.I just wish they would hurry up and release it  so the other sites I visit would quit spamming news about it.

Also, i like Steam as much as the next guy but the Valve fellating seems to be getting out of control lately. Its almost his Jennifer Lawrence levels.

Yea I agree, I have nothing but positive thoughts about them but every article about them being ZOMG THE STEAMZZZ WALWE IZ SHIZNIZZ is getting a bit tiring.


Eh, fanboi culture is something you have to live with.  Although I'm still trying to figure out why Valve put The War Z back on Steam.
 
2013-03-05 11:19:45 PM
This isn't Half-Life, gaben. This isn't Half-Life at all..
 
2013-03-05 11:40:09 PM

TyrantII: Also, I assume games on Steambox will be using OpenGL mostly? Steambox is rumored to be linux, and you can't code with DX being a windows API.


Of course it's going to be Linux. Apple would never let anyone else distribute OS X, and Microsoft isn't going to license Windows to a company making an X-Box competitor.

There's only one other OS that Steam runs on, and that's Linux. There's only one accelerated graphic API for Linux, and that's OpenGL.
 
2013-03-06 12:00:53 AM

tomcatadam: Steambox presents a continually updated platform that can serve as a more reliable baseline when optimizing their games.


Awesome, so there is going to be another console to keep the bar low on graphics and playability that is released multi-platform.
 
2013-03-06 12:03:03 AM

StrangeQ: scottydoesntknow: I'm starting to have a lot of doubts about the Steambox. Seems to me they're just going to piss off PC players by focusing on the Steambox and tailoring games for it,

I got that from the article's emphasis on what controller they'll be using for it.

Controllers are fine for platform games.  They are absolute shiat for anything with a first person aspect.


They're OK for driving games. But yeah, I can't handle them playing an FPS.
 
2013-03-06 12:33:37 AM
 
2013-03-06 05:32:57 AM

A_bomb37: TyrantII: incompatible hardware

Honestly show me one instance of incompatibility in the last five years.

/not snark
//just disbelief.


I agree, its no longer a matter of incompatibility but more of things like... "The game said it needed a Geforce 560 and up, so I bought a Geforce 610, that's like 50 higher so its gotta be way better, right?"  ...the farking naming convention is still confusing for those out of the know, *especially* ATI's four digit series markings and don't suggest they consider the price difference because you just sold them to the bestbuy wolves.  The next is people who don't even check the min-requirements and yet again buy a game that needs something like a shader 3.0 capable card and just expect it'll work on their computer...a Pentium 4 laptop with the basic GMA Intel chipset.  Then there's the drivers, the god damn "It works great with games A, B, C and D, but don't you dare try and running it with E, it will shiat the bed.  But if you try this other driver it works great with B, C & E...but watch out with A & D"  Its better then it was in the last few years but its still there.

Those are off the top of my head but I am knee deep in this stuff as a hobby and a living so meh, for me its all part of the lego puzzle that is the most capable gaming platform in existence, but I understand if others who aren't quite as enthused about it can get turned around the wrong way due to some of its complications.
 
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