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2013-03-05 05:42:49 PM
Women seeking abortions in South Dakota currently must wait three days after seeing an abortion clinic doctor before they can have the procedure. The bill would make it so that weekends and holidays do not count in calculating the three-day waiting period.

Supporters say the change would ensure women have time to receive required counseling at pregnancy help centers, which discourage abortions.


Because their being forced to get an abortion? Is that it?
 
2013-03-05 05:48:29 PM
That's so you can shop for a handgun at the same time
 
2013-03-05 06:06:04 PM

Nadie_AZ: Women seeking abortions in South Dakota currently must wait three days after seeing an abortion clinic doctor before they can have the procedure. The bill would make it so that weekends and holidays do not count in calculating the three-day waiting period.

Supporters say the change would ensure women have time to receive required counseling at pregnancy help centers, which discourage abortions.

Because their being forced to get an abortion? Is that it?


No, that's not it at all... It's just that there's no where a pregnant woman could go on, say, a Sunday morning around 9-10 AM, to get counseling against having an abortion. Nope, no places like that exist at all, and they certainly don't have steeples and allegedly-celibate men in robes and pipe organs.
 
2013-03-05 06:16:52 PM
hehe... wot?

*read the article*

hehe... wot?
 
2013-03-05 06:19:04 PM
Weekends and holidays are to be used to think of what your man needs, ladies.  We'll get back to discussing your shame removal during banker's hours.
 
2013-03-05 06:19:59 PM
They should just make it 266 days.
 
2013-03-05 06:20:31 PM
What if the woman is trying to save the child from a life of unspeakable suffering, like living in South Dakota?
 
2013-03-05 06:20:40 PM
if they (the gop)  keep digging deeper, they might just strike gold
 
2013-03-05 06:21:59 PM
But why stop there? Why not have a waiting period of 35 weeks?
 
2013-03-05 06:22:01 PM

Theaetetus: No, that's not it at all... It's just that there's no where a pregnant woman could go on, say, a Sunday morning around 9-10 AM, to get counseling against having an abortion. Nope, no places like that exist at all, and they certainly don't have steeples and allegedly-celibate men in robes and pipe organs.


Isn't that the place where they're always thinking of the children?
 
2013-03-05 06:25:15 PM
I can't help but feel that all of this is just trying to get a case to try and overturn Roe v. Wade before the more conservative justices retire or die.

I highly doubt Roberts would want his to be the court that overturns it, not after his Obamacare performance.
 
2013-03-05 06:26:59 PM

More_Like_A_Stain: Theaetetus: No, that's not it at all... It's just that there's no where a pregnant woman could go on, say, a Sunday morning around 9-10 AM, to get counseling against having an abortion. Nope, no places like that exist at all, and they certainly don't have steeples and allegedly-celibate men in robes and pipe organs.

Isn't that the place where they're always thinking of the children?


Well, only the unborn ones. The born ones are probably poor democrats, so fark 'em.
 
2013-03-05 06:27:59 PM
Upon moving here, my dad's advice was "don't do drugs and don't get anyone pregnant."

Good advice.
 
2013-03-05 06:28:16 PM
This is just more anti small business BS. They're hassling the small time abortion clinician and the woman

GET YOUR BIG GOVERNMENT OUT OF PEOPLE'S PRIVATE BUSINESS!!
 
2013-03-05 06:28:35 PM
On the other hand, Republican men talk about rape all the time. It's just too much rape when women do it too.
 
2013-03-05 06:30:35 PM

El Trolo: This is just more anti small business BS. They're hassling the small time abortion clinician and the woman

GET YOUR BIG GOVERNMENT OUT OF PEOPLE'S PRIVATE BUSINESS!!


Right! The only thing keeping these abortion mills from being successful is the overwhelming regulations! Study it out.
 
2013-03-05 06:32:28 PM

meat0918: I can't help but feel that all of this is just trying to get a case to try and overturn Roe v. Wade before the more conservative justices retire or die.


What about the colour of the sky and the wetness of water? :P
 
2013-03-05 06:36:54 PM
Given the high population of South Dakota and it's secular beliefs, this could prevent tens of abortions each year.
 
2013-03-05 06:38:03 PM
Because goodness knows a chick in Huron can afford to go to Sioux Falls, then have to wait three days either staying in SF or driving back to Pierre and then driving BACK to Sioux Falls.

There's only one provider in the state, and that provider is in the southeastern corner of the state. If you're in Rapid you might decide to go to Denver, and you're in Aberdeen you're almost certainly going to go to Fargo.

While admittedly SF is the most populous city, anyone else is about guaranteed to be a hundred miles from a provider.
 
2013-03-05 06:39:54 PM

El Trolo: This is just more anti small business BS. They're hassling the small time abortion clinician and the woman

GET YOUR BIG GOVERNMENT OUT OF PEOPLE'S PRIVATE BUSINESS!!


Hey, they want to stay out of private business. It's your private parts they want to control, but only if you're a woman, so it's all good.
 
2013-03-05 06:40:04 PM

ravenlore: Because goodness knows a chick in Huron can afford to go to Sioux Falls, then have to wait three days either staying in SF or driving back to Pierre

(Huron. FTFM, changed my mind about example city and only changed it once.)and then driving BACK to Sioux Falls.

There's only one provider in the state, and that provider is in the southeastern corner of the state. If you're in Rapid you might decide to go to Denver, and you're in Aberdeen you're almost certainly going to go to Fargo.

While admittedly SF is the most populous city, anyone else is about guaranteed to be a hundred miles from a provider.
 
2013-03-05 06:40:31 PM

Dafatone: Upon moving here, my dad's advice was "don't do drugs and don't get anyone pregnant."

Good advice.


Funny. My dad's advice was "anything worth doing is worth doing on company time."
 
2013-03-05 06:41:41 PM

BMulligan: Dafatone: Upon moving here, my dad's advice was "don't do drugs and don't get anyone pregnant."

Good advice.

Funny. My dad's advice was "anything worth doing is worth doing on company time."


That's a joke, by the way. My dad is very industrious. Sorry, Dad.
 
2013-03-05 06:44:02 PM

meat0918: I can't help but feel that all of this is just trying to get a case to try and overturn Roe v. Wade before the more conservative justices retire or die.

I highly doubt Roberts would want his to be the court that overturns it, not after his Obamacare performance.


Roberts upheld OBAMACARE11TY!!! because he is a conservative, not despite being a conservative.
 
2013-03-05 06:44:29 PM
Ladies of South Dakota, here's a handy link. Think of Plan B the same way you would a fire extinguisher. You don't wait for a fire to run out and buy a fire extinguisher, and you don't wait for contraceptive failure to buy Plan B. If you live in a state like South Dakota, I suggest buying two kits. Have one on you and one in your home.
 
2013-03-05 06:44:54 PM
Because nothing says 'we respect the rights of other people' like making people wait to exercise those rights.
 
2013-03-05 06:46:24 PM
Waiting times are unconstitutional.  States cannot restrict access like this.  I wish more people would challenge these bogus laws.
 
2013-03-05 06:47:25 PM
The next generation of voters largely don't approve of politicians crawling into womens' vaginas.  This insanity will hopefully cripple the GOP for the next thirty years.
 
2013-03-05 06:50:08 PM
Think of all the jobs this will create!
 
2013-03-05 06:51:07 PM

BMulligan: Dafatone: Upon moving here, my dad's advice was "don't do drugs and don't get anyone pregnant."

Good advice.

Funny. My dad's advice was "anything worth doing is worth doing on company time."


We used to call that "government work".
 
2013-03-05 06:51:49 PM
FTFA: "Supporters say the change would ensure women have time to receive required counseling"

fark off, seriously.  Who do they think they are?
 
2013-03-05 06:52:07 PM

fusillade762: Think of all the jobs this will create!


Laser-like focus. Laser. Like. Focus!
 
2013-03-05 06:52:28 PM

fusillade762: Think of all the jobs this will create!


Neonatal unit jobs, childcare jobs, welfare office jobs, social worker jobs...
 
2013-03-05 06:57:08 PM

Fluorescent Testicle: fusillade762: Think of all the jobs this will create!

Neonatal unit jobs, childcare jobs, welfare office jobs, social worker jobs...


Police jobs. Prosecutor jobs. Prison guard jobs.
 
2013-03-05 06:58:21 PM

Fluorescent Testicle: fusillade762: Think of all the jobs this will create!

Neonatal unit jobs, childcare jobs, welfare office jobs, social worker jobs...


Coat-hanger factories, underground railroads to blue states, blood hound breeders....
 
2013-03-05 06:58:53 PM

Fluorescent Testicle: fusillade762: Think of all the jobs this will create!

Neonatal unit jobs, childcare jobs, welfare office jobs, social worker jobs...


Riiiiiiight.

Like they'd approve the hundreds of millions of dollars in funds to pay for that stuff after restricting a woman's access to all her birth control and family planning options.

It's not like they could look at somewhere like, I dunno, Texas for example, and see what happens when you make it really, really difficult to access family planning information and women's health clinics.
 
2013-03-05 07:01:11 PM
Jut another flyover state full of the inbreds who did't have what it took to get out.
 
2013-03-05 07:03:08 PM

meat0918: Like they'd approve the hundreds of millions of dollars in funds to pay for that stuff after restricting a woman's access to all her birth control and family planning options.


... I know that. It was a joke about how restricting abortion results in unwanted children with parents who can't afford them.
 
2013-03-05 07:05:57 PM
I'm fine with this...if they also rule that every other medical procedure must also have a waiting period.  Need an emergency appendectomy on Friday?  Sure thing, we'll see you next Thursday.  You can wait, right?  Oh, and we'll need you to undergo a few catscans in the meantime- what?  Oh, of course you don't NEED a catscan, and neither do we, but we just wanted to add as much hassle as possible.
 
2013-03-05 07:08:52 PM
I've given up clicking on links to AM radio websites for Lent. It was an easy sacrifice.
 
2013-03-05 07:10:47 PM
Supporters say the change would ensure women have time to receive required counseling at pregnancy help centers, which discourage abortions. make it to the second trimester and can no longer abort at all

Don't dance around the issue by trying to act as though you're doing anybody a favor here.

If you dickheads really wanted to see less abortions, you'd be pushing for comprehensive sexual education and more Planned Parenthood funding.  Selfish farking anti-choice dickheads.
 
2013-03-05 07:12:48 PM
You know, I don't agree with this.  But if we're going to do it...

bborchar: I'm fine with this...if they also rule that every other medical procedure must also have a waiting period.


This

Any non-emergency medical procedure should require a 3 day waiting period.  Any non-emergency medical procedure should require an ultrasound where the doctor clearly explains to you what will be done.  "You see that appendix right there?  We're going to take it out."  You can turn your head if you want to.
 
2013-03-05 07:13:31 PM

InteriorDesignNinja: FTFA: "Supporters say the change would ensure women have time to receive required counseling"

fark off, seriously.  Who do they think they are?


What's preventing women from receiving counseling before seeing their doctor?  Why is the counseling required?  Can't the GOP just fsck off for once and let people take personal responsibility for their lives -- like they're always demanding we do?
 
2013-03-05 07:15:51 PM

sabreWulf07: InteriorDesignNinja: FTFA: "Supporters say the change would ensure women have time to receive required counseling"

fark off, seriously.  Who do they think they are?

What's preventing women from receiving counseling before seeing their doctor?  Why is the counseling required?  Can't the GOP just fsck off for once and let people take personal responsibility for their lives -- like they're always demanding we do?


The problem is that they need to be able to see women as people before they let us take personal responsibility for our lives.
 
2013-03-05 07:17:46 PM

Wyalt Derp: They should just make it 266 days.


But February 29th doesn't count.

Nor do national holidays.

And only time considered "banker's hours" shall count toward the total.
 
2013-03-05 07:18:54 PM
I knew this one girl who got pregnant and her friend dared her to get an abortion and so she did it.

And then I had this other friend who got pregnant but really wanted a dog and didn't have money for both a baby and a dog so she had an abortion and got a dog.

And then this other friend of mine was pregnant but this fortune cookie told her to free herself of any unnecessary burdens and so the next day she got an abortion.

If only the state would have made them all wait a couple of extra days there might be three more babies in this world right now.
 
2013-03-05 07:19:06 PM
Why don't they just require a 3 month wait and get it over with?
 
2013-03-05 07:20:08 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Supporters say the change would ensure women have time to receive required counseling at pregnancy help centers, which discourage abortions. make it to the second trimester and can no longer abort at all

Don't dance around the issue by trying to act as though you're doing anybody a favor here.


Yep.  Tiny legislation by tiny legislation and the pro-lifers are slowly outlawing abortion.  You gotta get an ultrasound.  Wait, you gotta get a vaginal ultrasound.  You gotta wait a day.  Wait, you gotta wait a few days.  Wait, weekends/holidays don't count.  Oh, hey the only clinic in the entire state has doctors without admitting privileges at the local hospital?  Cool, - All abortion doctors have to have admitting privileges at the local hospital.  Oh hey, the abortion clinics are only set up as outpatient centers?  Cool, - all abortion clinics have to meet actual hospital standards.  Sorry if that's too expensive or your facility cannot be retrofit to accommodate!
 
2013-03-05 07:22:17 PM
I'm not a woman, nor have I even been pregnant. Nor have I made a girl pregnant.

But... why is the base assumption that women rush to the abortion clinic without thinking about it first? That's the only rationale I can think of for this... well, that and fanatacism. When your base assumptions are no one thinks but you, and you're over the age of 12, someone failed at raising you.

That's right. I'm now blaming politicians parents for their actions. They clearly won't take personal responsibility.
 
2013-03-05 07:23:04 PM

sabreWulf07: InteriorDesignNinja: FTFA: "Supporters say the change would ensure women have time to receive required counseling"

fark off, seriously.  Who do they think they are?

What's preventing women from receiving counseling before seeing their doctor?  Why is the counseling required?  Can't the GOP just

fsck off for once and let people take personal responsibility for their lives -- like they're always demanding we do?

You can just use the word "fark" if you like. Fark has a filter that turns the work fark into Fark. Or even type Fark, directly. The preview will still show fark as fark, but the final result will show up as Fark.

/that made no sense, I'm sure
 
2013-03-05 07:23:55 PM

Fuzzmosis: I'm not a woman, nor have I even been pregnant. Nor have I made a girl pregnant.

But... why is the base assumption that women rush to the abortion clinic without thinking about it first? That's the only rationale I can think of for this... well, that and fanatacism. When your base assumptions are no one thinks but you, and you're over the age of 12, someone failed at raising you.

That's right. I'm now blaming politicians parents for their actions. They clearly won't take personal responsibility.


There are no assumptions here.  They simply don't want any woman to have an abortion and are trying to erode away a woman's right to have one.  This is a simple and obvious fact.
 
2013-03-05 07:24:20 PM

lennavan: The My Little Pony Killer: Supporters say the change would ensure women have time to receive required counseling at pregnancy help centers, which discourage abortions. make it to the second trimester and can no longer abort at all

Don't dance around the issue by trying to act as though you're doing anybody a favor here.

Yep.  Tiny legislation by tiny legislation and the pro-lifers are slowly outlawing abortion.  You gotta get an ultrasound.  Wait, you gotta get a vaginal ultrasound.  You gotta wait a day.  Wait, you gotta wait a few days.  Wait, weekends/holidays don't count.  Oh, hey the only clinic in the entire state has doctors without admitting privileges at the local hospital?  Cool, - All abortion doctors have to have admitting privileges at the local hospital.  Oh hey, the abortion clinics are only set up as outpatient centers?  Cool, - all abortion clinics have to meet actual hospital standards.  Sorry if that's too expensive or your facility cannot be retrofit to accommodate!


In the Twilight Zone treatment of this bullshiat, the state would be taken over by arugula munching commiefascists who regulate guns, beer and football in just this manner.
 
2013-03-05 07:24:48 PM

DemonEater: Why don't they just require a 3 month wait and get it over with?



They can't do that outright, publicly because even in South Dakota a woman might be able to save up enough to make it to Denver or Minneapolis or Fargo in time if that information is common knowledge.

So they nickel-and-dime the waiting period and requirements about who counts as a "counselor" every damn legislative session so there's always confusion and uncertainty


/ok, admittedly talking a bit out my ass but that's how it appears to me
 
2013-03-05 07:27:54 PM

Fuzzmosis: But... why is the base assumption that women rush to the abortion clinic without thinking about it first? That's the only rationale I can think of for this... well, that and fanatacism. When your base assumptions are no one thinks but you, and you're over the age of 12, someone failed at raising you.


It's not that; they just don't want women to have any sort of freedom over their own lives, because God said that women should be silent sex slaves to the Almighty Penis-Havers or some other such nonsense. Look up "The Handmaid's Tale."
 
2013-03-05 07:29:51 PM

DeaH: Ladies of South Dakota, here's a handy link. Think of Plan B the same way you would a fire extinguisher. You don't wait for a fire to run out and buy a fire extinguisher, and you don't wait for contraceptive failure to buy Plan B. If you live in a state like South Dakota, I suggest buying two kits. Have one on you and one in your home.


"Only 4 left in stock "

Seriously, though, can they really sell medication online like that?

For that matter, could a wealthy person with strong feelings on this issue buy a truckload of Plan B and hand it out like beads at Mardi Gras?
 
2013-03-05 07:32:38 PM

Fluorescent Testicle: [words]


No, I have no idea why I put quotation marks around a book title.
 
2013-03-05 07:32:40 PM

DeaH: Ladies of South Dakota, here's a handy link. Think of Plan B the same way you would a fire extinguisher. You don't wait for a fire to run out and buy a fire extinguisher, and you don't wait for contraceptive failure to buy Plan B. If you live in a state like South Dakota, I suggest buying two kits. Have one on you and one in your home.



Don't be sexist, male farkers from SD could also keep a kit for the women in their lives.
 
2013-03-05 07:34:43 PM
required counseling at pregnancy help centers, which discourage abortions

So, they have to prove they have been to one of these centers whose goal is to prevent abortions in order to be allowed to have an abortion.  Wouldn't these centers make a point of refusing to stamp their form, or losing everyone's paperwork, in order to make sure that no abortions take place?

And of course there is no need to extend the waiting period for the reasons stated, since the women have to prove they've been to one of these centers anyway.
 
2013-03-05 07:36:01 PM
Whatever, it's three farkin days. Believe you me, if I decided on having an abortion, my mind would be set and I could stikl the three days out, and deal with all of the BS that comes with it. Just nod and wave ladies.
Then carry on.
 
2013-03-05 07:36:53 PM

spongeboob: Don't be sexist, male farkers from SD could also keep a kit for the women in their lives.


Will drugstores sell Plan B to a man?  I believe it is behind the counter with the Sudafed, not out in the aisles with the condoms and asprin.  For that matter, drugstores in SD might not stock it at all.
 
2013-03-05 07:37:01 PM
Does South Dakota require a wait on vasectomies?
 
2013-03-05 07:37:19 PM
I mean stick, not stikl or whatever.
 
2013-03-05 07:40:18 PM

pciszek: spongeboob: Don't be sexist, male farkers from SD could also keep a kit for the women in their lives.

Will drugstores sell Plan B to a man?  I believe it is behind the counter with the Sudafed, not out in the aisles with the condoms and asprin.  For that matter, drugstores in SD might not stock it at all.


Vasectomies can now be reversed.
 
2013-03-05 07:41:28 PM

BMulligan: Dafatone: Upon moving here, my dad's advice was "don't do drugs and don't get anyone pregnant."

Good advice.

Funny. My dad's advice was "anything worth doing is worth doing on company time."


One of my coworkers refuses to take a dump at home.  He swears he only drops deuces on the boss's time and using the boss's TP.
Lord only knows what he does on three day weekend.
 
2013-03-05 07:41:35 PM
spongeboob: Does South Dakota require a wait on vasectomies?

images2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-03-05 07:41:49 PM

pciszek: spongeboob: Don't be sexist, male farkers from SD could also keep a kit for the women in their lives.

Will drugstores sell Plan B to a man?  I believe it is behind the counter with the Sudafed, not out in the aisles with the condoms and asprin.  For that matter, drugstores in SD might not stock it at all.


CVS store policy does not prohibit men from buy the morning-after pill, and under federal law, anyone over the age of 17 can buy Plan B without a prescription.  From a story about a man refused a plan B by a female pharmacist who wanted to speak with the woman

I just assumed that anyone could buy them, they never stopped me from buying pads for my wife, or her from buying condoms.
 
2013-03-05 07:42:13 PM

pciszek: spongeboob: Don't be sexist, male farkers from SD could also keep a kit for the women in their lives.

Will drugstores sell Plan B to a man?  I believe it is behind the counter with the Sudafed, not out in the aisles with the condoms and asprin.  For that matter, drugstores in SD might not stock it at all.


I don't see why not. All they need is a valid ID and their signature on the touch screen.
 
2013-03-05 07:43:00 PM

Fuzzmosis: When your base assumptions are no one thinks but you, and you're over the age of 12, someone failed at raising you.


Well, the safety interlocks on some machinery are designed on that same principal.  Unfortunately, there is no shortage of incidents proving that this design philosophy is justified.
 
2013-03-05 07:44:39 PM

spongeboob: pciszek: spongeboob: Don't be sexist, male farkers from SD could also keep a kit for the women in their lives.

Will drugstores sell Plan B to a man?  I believe it is behind the counter with the Sudafed, not out in the aisles with the condoms and asprin.  For that matter, drugstores in SD might not stock it at all.

CVS store policy does not prohibit men from buy the morning-after pill, and under federal law, anyone over the age of 17 can buy Plan B without a prescription.  From a story about a man refused a plan B by a female pharmacist who wanted to speak with the woman

I just assumed that anyone could buy them, they never stopped me from buying pads for my wife, or her from buying condoms.


I used to pick up birth control pills for my wife regularly from the pharmacy. Don't see how this would be different.
 
2013-03-05 07:44:49 PM

pciszek: spongeboob: Don't be sexist, male farkers from SD could also keep a kit for the women in their lives.

Will drugstores sell Plan B to a man?  I believe it is behind the counter with the Sudafed, not out in the aisles with the condoms and asprin.  For that matter, drugstores in SD might not stock it at all.


Walgreen's might. Small-town old-school pharmacies may well not.
 
2013-03-05 07:44:58 PM

smeegle: Whatever, it's three farkin days. Believe you me, if I decided on having an abortion, my mind would be set and I could stikl the three days out, and deal with all of the BS that comes with it. Just nod and wave ladies.
Then carry on.


It's not the "time" that is necessarily the problem.  It's all the inconvenience, cost and time added by having the wait an extra three days that is the problem.  I'm guessing there isn't an abortion provider conveniently located in every town in SD.
 
2013-03-05 07:46:04 PM
Fun quote from Wiki:

FTFWiki: In a May 2012 Kaiser Family Foundation poll it was found that only a third of women believed there was a wide-scale effort to limit reproductive health, seen as disbelief in the War on Women.

That's right. A full third of women, or 1/6th of the population of the United States even if you want to assume that no men feel the same way (which is obviously not true), agree that the GOP is full of misogynistic scumbags, but it still counts as a "Disbelief."
 
2013-03-05 07:47:20 PM

lennavan: The My Little Pony Killer: Supporters say the change would ensure women have time to receive required counseling at pregnancy help centers, which discourage abortions. make it to the second trimester and can no longer abort at all

Don't dance around the issue by trying to act as though you're doing anybody a favor here.

Yep.  Tiny legislation by tiny legislation and the pro-lifers are slowly outlawing abortion.  You gotta get an ultrasound.  Wait, you gotta get a vaginal ultrasound.  You gotta wait a day.  Wait, you gotta wait a few days.  Wait, weekends/holidays don't count.  Oh, hey the only clinic in the entire state has doctors without admitting privileges at the local hospital?  Cool, - All abortion doctors have to have admitting privileges at the local hospital.  Oh hey, the abortion clinics are only set up as outpatient centers?  Cool, - all abortion clinics have to meet actual hospital standards.  Sorry if that's too expensive or your facility cannot be retrofit to accommodate!


You forgot the other popular tactic - pro-lifers setting up their own abortion clinics to take business from real providers.

"Sorry dearie, you've got a temperature of 98.7; we can't perform this major surgury on someone who's already sick.  Why don't you just come back next week?"
"Oh, hello again!  Looks like your temperature's fine, however, I'm sorry to tell you the doc is out golfing this week.  He'll be back in next Tuesday."
"Nice to see you again honey.  The doc's in and you're healthy - lets do this.  Oh wait, when did you concieve?  20 and a half weeks ago?  I'm so sorry, that's past the legal limit.  Mazel tov!"
 
2013-03-05 07:47:35 PM

Pincy: smeegle: Whatever, it's three farkin days. Believe you me, if I decided on having an abortion, my mind would be set and I could stikl the three days out, and deal with all of the BS that comes with it. Just nod and wave ladies.
Then carry on.

It's not the "time" that is necessarily the problem.  It's all the inconvenience, cost and time added by having the wait an extra three days that is the problem.  I'm guessing there isn't an abortion provider conveniently located in every town in SD.


Nope. Sioux Falls alone. Not even Rapid City (the second-largest city on the opposite side of the state)
 
2013-03-05 07:51:37 PM

Pincy: smeegle: Whatever, it's three farkin days. Believe you me, if I decided on having an abortion, my mind would be set and I could stikl the three days out, and deal with all of the BS that comes with it. Just nod and wave ladies.
Then carry on.

It's not the "time" that is necessarily the problem.  It's all the inconvenience, cost and time added by having the wait an extra three days that is the problem.  I'm guessing there isn't an abortion provider conveniently located in every town in SD.


Looks like the only one is in Sioux Falls
 
2013-03-05 07:52:47 PM
Those "pregnancy counseling centers" are conveniently located around the state. As stated above, abortion providers....not so much.

South Dakota is like the Twilight Zone. Almost everyone there is crabby and unhappy. This is why so many of us gtfo as soon as we can.
 
2013-03-05 07:52:48 PM

smeegle: Whatever, it's three farkin days. Believe you me, if I decided on having an abortion, my mind would be set and I could stikl the three days out, and deal with all of the BS that comes with it. Just nod and wave ladies. Then carry on.


You're missing the point completely. The idea is that they'll keep pushing the three days back, between further regulations and a lack of transport (as previously mentioned by Ravenlore, there's only one provider in the state), until the women have passed the gestational date where abortions are no longer legal.

And no, it's not a conspiracy theory if they've admitted it. :P
 
2013-03-05 07:57:55 PM
Opposition to abortion is essentially religiously-motivated. Attempts to impose limits on a woman's right to abortion is forcing legislators' religious views on people regardless of what their own feelings might be. Speaking as a Jew, the instant of a baby's personhood is well-defined--it's when it takes its first breath (some rabbis say when it's head and shoulders out of the womb). In Judaism the mother's physical welfare always trumps that of the unborn infant, and in Conservative and Reform Judaism that extends to the psychological damage caused by an unwanted pregnancy. I can't speak for other faiths, but any Jewish woman who is impeded in or prevented from receiving an abortion is not just being subjected to sexual and civil harassment; she is the victim of a religious hate crime as well. I would like to see some punitive lawsuits brought against these neanderthal states on that basis.

One more reason to come back to the mother religion, and I'm sure there are Reform synagogues out there who'd be willing to perform some quickie conversions in a good cause.
 
2013-03-05 08:04:40 PM
maybe it's just me thinking but have any of these groups gotten any creditable numbers that show that waiting periods actually cut down on the number of abortions?  it seems to me that if you are rushing to get it done then you aren't really thinking about it and so you are going to do it.  if you spend a bunch of time thinking about it and still want to get it done you probably won't change your mind if you need to wait for x# of days.

waiting periods seem only to drag out a miserable process for no reason.
 
2013-03-05 08:11:43 PM
tom baker's scarf:
waiting periods seem only to drag out a miserable process for no reason.

Plenty of reason$ why in rural areas waiting periods might prevent access to abortion services.
 
2013-03-05 08:11:50 PM
I'm gonna call fake on this one.
Women aren't allowed to think in South Dakota.
 
2013-03-05 08:14:04 PM
I think it's time to create a charitable foundation to pay travel expenses, lost wages, and hotels for needy women who need abortions but live I  states which oppress their rights.
 
2013-03-05 08:14:32 PM

Ryker's Peninsula: I'm gonna call fake on this one.
Women aren't allowed to think in South Dakota.


As EmmaLou  mentioned, that's why we GTFO.
 
2013-03-05 08:17:32 PM
Oh honestly, doesn't this crap ever end?
 
2013-03-05 08:27:13 PM
Congratulations, you're backwards.
 
2013-03-05 08:29:02 PM

Gergesa: Oh honestly, doesn't this crap ever end?


No.
 
2013-03-05 08:31:08 PM

MFAWG: Gergesa: Oh honestly, doesn't this crap ever end?

No.


What about when the Rs are in charge?
 
2013-03-05 08:33:27 PM

Gergesa: Oh honestly, doesn't this crap ever end?


It ends when voters in this country wake the f*ck up and marginalize these asshats to the point where they can't pull this sh*t anymore.
 
2013-03-05 08:34:17 PM

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Gergesa: Oh honestly, doesn't this crap ever end?

It ends when voters in this country wake the f*ck up and marginalize these asshats to the point where they can't pull this sh*t anymore.


So I guess MFAWG already got the answer.
 
2013-03-05 08:42:15 PM

tom baker's scarf: waiting periods seem only to drag out a miserable process for no reason.


Ding ding ding.   If you can't legally make abortion illegal, at least make the women suffer as much as possible as they jump through all the necessary hoops.
 
2013-03-05 08:43:59 PM
Need as much time as possible to harass them, of course. It's not that women aren't available - it's that anti-abortion organizations work during the day and save their weekends for picketing, stalking, and the occasional sniper killing If women go in on a Friday and get their abortion on a Monday, well, the anti-abortion nuts can't get enough lead time to properly harass them.

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Gergesa: Oh honestly, doesn't this crap ever end?

It ends when voters in this country wake the f*ck up and marginalize these asshats to the point where they can't pull this sh*t anymore.


And, this. For a while, they were marginalized. The Reagan years, and all the religion money that was dumped into politics since then, tipped the balance. The pendulum is swinging back to secularism, so we'll see several more years of this silliness before sanity returns to both state & federal governments.
 
2013-03-05 08:44:50 PM

meat0918: I can't help but feel that all of this is just trying to get a case to try and overturn Roe v. Wade before the more conservative justices retire or die.

I highly doubt Roberts would want his to be the court that overturns it, not after his Obamacare performance.


Roberts is pretty firmly individual-rights interpretey, and even Scalia is pretty reluctant to ban/change things in the face of overwhelming, concrete evidence of a policy being unambiguously and overwhelmingly in the public interest like abortion availability has in spades.

Basically, overturning Roe v. Wade is never, ever going to happen.  As it has been for three decades, it's a red herring to get people to push the "Vote all [R]" button at the voting booth, and that's it.  Even the intermediate bullshiat that the TP folks are pulling is not something the actual folks running the national party are down with... though I imagine those guys are pretty much weeping quietly into their hands in the corner at this point anyhow as the regional interests destroy the GOP's national credibility for short-term local gains.

And by short-term I mean two to four years, since that's how long TP candidates seem to actually last in office for the most part.
 
2013-03-05 08:44:54 PM

THX 1138: tom baker's scarf: waiting periods seem only to drag out a miserable process for no reason.

Ding ding ding.   If you can't legally make abortion illegal, at least make the women suffer as much as possible as they jump through all the necessary hoops.


Makes sense. I'm usally right.
 
2013-03-05 08:45:42 PM

THX 1138: tom baker's scarf: waiting periods seem only to drag out a miserable process for no reason.

Ding ding ding.   If you can't legally make abortion illegal, at least make the women suffer as much as possible as they jump through all the necessary hoops.


They must be shamed. That's the whole point of vaginal ultrasounds, forced counseling, and other invasions of privacy. If you want an abortion, you must be a slut, not a God-fearing woman, and so you must be shamed.
 
2013-03-05 09:00:08 PM
Go have your abortion somewhere else. Its not really that far from South Dakota to Minnesota or for that matter, Saskatchewan. Cluck South Dakota, give someone more deserving your business.
 
2013-03-05 09:00:47 PM
Limited government only when it doesn't involve sex.
 
2013-03-05 09:01:42 PM

FormlessOne: They must be shamed. That's the whole point of vaginal ultrasounds, forced counseling, and other invasions of privacy.


In fairness, you do have to receive a good deal of counseling for any medical procedure but _especially_ surgical procedures in general, at least from your doctor.  Informed consent law has been around for quite a while.  So counseling actually serves a legitimate medical purpose if the person giving it is your Obstetrician/Gynecologist or other relevant surgical specialist (I don't think "abortionist" is actually a thing but I assume it has some relevant specialty).

Vaginal ultrasounds, however, are bloody stupid.  Any medical purpose of the imaging is well and easily covered by the usual gel on the abdomen ultrasounds that don't require dropping your pants.  Similarly, the arbitrary waiting period shiat needs to die in a fire along with anyone that's suggested it.  That's not how medicine works.  In medicine, you have a set of required procedures, and you do them when you can.  If you can fit them in more quickly than average without skimping on quality,  great.  Someone will give you more than the usual amount of money to tell them how you managed it.  The people that watch and can tell if you're cutting corners are called  the AMA, and they're about as far from being a state congress as you can get.
 
2013-03-05 09:07:58 PM

spongeboob: DeaH: Ladies of South Dakota, here's a handy link. Think of Plan B the same way you would a fire extinguisher. You don't wait for a fire to run out and buy a fire extinguisher, and you don't wait for contraceptive failure to buy Plan B. If you live in a state like South Dakota, I suggest buying two kits. Have one on you and one in your home.


Don't be sexist, male farkers from SD could also keep a kit for the women in their lives.


Gentlemen, by all mean, purchase a spare kit. Plan B is OTC, and it should available through online pharmacies if you cannot find it in a local pharmacy.
 
2013-03-05 09:08:26 PM
So, once the women go out of state for their abortions, how will South Dakota get them to come back?
 
2013-03-05 09:09:11 PM
WHAR RUBBER VENDING MACHINES WHAR?

soveriegn.files.wordpress.com

//nowhere near states that push the criminalization of pregnant women.  Assholes.
 
2013-03-05 09:15:11 PM
My proposal of a three day wait to have intercourse to get the proper counseling never made it out of committee. I just don't get democracy sometimes.
 
2013-03-05 09:15:50 PM

lordluzr: My proposal of a three day wait to have intercourse to get the proper counseling never made it out of committee. I just don't get democracy sometimes.


Or laid.
 
2013-03-05 09:19:20 PM

MrHappyRotter: lordluzr: My proposal of a three day wait to have intercourse to get the proper counseling never made it out of committee. I just don't get democracy sometimes.

Or laid.


Ha!
/clap-clap
 
2013-03-05 09:22:56 PM
Women are allowed to think in ND? Well, there's your problem!
 
2013-03-05 09:23:02 PM

pciszek: DeaH: Ladies of South Dakota, here's a handy link. Think of Plan B the same way you would a fire extinguisher. You don't wait for a fire to run out and buy a fire extinguisher, and you don't wait for contraceptive failure to buy Plan B. If you live in a state like South Dakota, I suggest buying two kits. Have one on you and one in your home.

"Only 4 left in stock "

Seriously, though, can they really sell medication online like that?

For that matter, could a wealthy person with strong feelings on this issue buy a truckload of Plan B and hand it out like beads at Mardi Gras?


I don't know about handing the pills out like Mardi Gras beads, but Plan B is OTC. You can get it from drugstore.com if Amazon runs out (there were more at Amazon when I linked to it).

 
2013-03-05 09:23:37 PM

ravenlore: Because goodness knows a chick in Huron can afford to go to Sioux Falls, then have to wait three days either staying in SF or driving back to Pierre and then driving BACK to Sioux Falls.

There's only one provider in the state, and that provider is in the southeastern corner of the state. If you're in Rapid you might decide to go to Denver, and you're in Aberdeen you're almost certainly going to go to Fargo.

While admittedly SF is the most populous city, anyone else is about guaranteed to be a hundred miles from a provider.


If the waiting periods and counseling nonsense hold up, it will be more cost-effective for many South Dakotans to drive another 86 miles on the Interstate to the clinic in Sioux City, Iowa, thereby avoiding South Dakota's maze of laws. (Iowa's Senate is Democratic-controlled and unlikely to pass any new abortion laws soon.) The people most affected by South Dakota restrictions are people in the Sioux Falls area who lack transportation and have no choice but the Sioux Falls clinic.
 
2013-03-05 09:32:56 PM

NewportBarGuy: Women are allowed to think in ND? Well, there's your problem!


Side note:  It is AMAZING how many people read/hear South Dakota and think of North Dakota.
 
2013-03-05 09:35:35 PM

Dafatone: NewportBarGuy: Women are allowed to think in ND? Well, there's your problem!

Side note:  It is AMAZING how many people read/hear South Dakota and think of North Dakota.


Yeah, weird, since the differences are so substantial.

//ND has like three guys.  SD has like three guys, and also a mule.
 
2013-03-05 09:36:19 PM
Marcus Aurelius: This insanity will hopefully cripple the GOP for the next thirty years.

You know what cripples do? They drive Hoverounds. Yeah, those Hoverounds offered at little or no cost to the customer. I don't want to subsidize the GOP cripples.
 
2013-03-05 09:37:42 PM

Dafatone: Side note: It is AMAZING how many people read/hear South Dakota and think of North Dakota.


I think they should gay marry and become ToddSteven Dakota.
 
2013-03-05 09:53:03 PM

Nem Wan: ravenlore: Because goodness knows a chick in Huron can afford to go to Sioux Falls, then have to wait three days either staying in SF or driving back to Pierre and then driving BACK to Sioux Falls.

There's only one provider in the state, and that provider is in the southeastern corner of the state. If you're in Rapid you might decide to go to Denver, and you're in Aberdeen you're almost certainly going to go to Fargo.

While admittedly SF is the most populous city, anyone else is about guaranteed to be a hundred miles from a provider.

If the waiting periods and counseling nonsense hold up, it will be more cost-effective for many South Dakotans to drive another 86 miles on the Interstate to the clinic in Sioux City, Iowa, thereby avoiding South Dakota's maze of laws. (Iowa's Senate is Democratic-controlled and unlikely to pass any new abortion laws soon.) The people most affected by South Dakota restrictions are people in the Sioux Falls area who lack transportation and have no choice but the Sioux Falls clinic.


Well, it's right and good that we're only infringing the rights of the poor then. Because, you know, fark them.
 
2013-03-05 10:05:57 PM

Evil High Priest: More_Like_A_Stain: Theaetetus: No, that's not it at all... It's just that there's no where a pregnant woman could go on, say, a Sunday morning around 9-10 AM, to get counseling against having an abortion. Nope, no places like that exist at all, and they certainly don't have steeples and allegedly-celibate men in robes and pipe organs.

Isn't that the place where they're always thinking of the children?

Well, only the unborn ones. The born ones are probably poor democrats, so fark 'em.


What about the ones that look good in a white robe and a blond wig on date night?
 
2013-03-05 10:36:56 PM
I'm going to start selling ergot and hellebore online. You know, as herbal supplements.
 
2013-03-05 10:38:31 PM
It's okay, ladies. Wire hangers don't care what day it is or what time it is.
 
2013-03-05 10:43:11 PM

coeyagi: WHAR RUBBER VENDING MACHINES WHAR?

[soveriegn.files.wordpress.com image 438x500]

//nowhere near states that push the criminalization of pregnant women.  Assholes.


i.chzbgr.com
 
2013-03-05 10:43:49 PM

spongeboob: MFAWG: Gergesa: Oh honestly, doesn't this crap ever end?

No.

What about when the Rs are in charge?


Nope. This shiat has been going of for 40 years, and the derp was just as strong during Reagan's terms as it is now.
 
2013-03-05 11:09:19 PM

Jim_Callahan: Dafatone: NewportBarGuy: Women are allowed to think in ND? Well, there's your problem!

Side note:  It is AMAZING how many people read/hear South Dakota and think of North Dakota.

Yeah, weird, since the differences are so substantial.

//ND has like three guys.  SD has like three guys, and also a mule.


That's about right.  But people don't make that mix up in the other direction.  I think it's because when you hear Dakota, you think North.  South Dakota's a contradiction.
 
2013-03-05 11:13:35 PM
lennavan:
The My Little Pony Killer: Supporters say the change would ensure women have time to receive required counseling at pregnancy help centers, which discourage abortions. make it to the second trimester and can no longer abort at all

Don't dance around the issue by trying to act as though you're doing anybody a favor here.

Yep.  Tiny legislation by tiny legislation and the pro-lifers are slowly outlawing abortion.  You gotta get an ultrasound.  Wait, you gotta get a vaginal ultrasound.  You gotta wait a day.  Wait, you gotta wait a few days.  Wait, weekends/holidays don't count.  Oh, hey the only clinic in the entire state has doctors without admitting privileges at the local hospital?  Cool, - All abortion doctors have to have admitting privileges at the local hospital.  Oh hey, the abortion clinics are only set up as outpatient centers?  Cool, - all abortion clinics have to meet actual hospital standards.  Sorry if that's too expensive or your facility cannot be retrofit to accommodate!


I don't know how this stuff isn't instantly struck down, it's the equivalent of passing a "bill of attainder" which IIRC is unconstitutional in America.
 
2013-03-06 12:08:21 AM
So, a two-sevenths' gain of advantage. Nice work.

Continue foreshortening the legal abortion limit, and soon you'll have daddy's myriad sperm cells declared legal persons any time one so much as grazes the skin of a breathing woman, creating a sacred soul endowed with our Saviour's Father's holy spirit up until but not after the unlikely moment it's actually birthed.

You must be proud.

Have some more casserole.
 
2013-03-06 12:20:05 AM

No Such Agency: lennavan:
The My Little Pony Killer: Supporters say the change would ensure women have time to receive required counseling at pregnancy help centers, which discourage abortions. make it to the second trimester and can no longer abort at all

Don't dance around the issue by trying to act as though you're doing anybody a favor here.

Yep.  Tiny legislation by tiny legislation and the pro-lifers are slowly outlawing abortion.  You gotta get an ultrasound.  Wait, you gotta get a vaginal ultrasound.  You gotta wait a day.  Wait, you gotta wait a few days.  Wait, weekends/holidays don't count.  Oh, hey the only clinic in the entire state has doctors without admitting privileges at the local hospital?  Cool, - All abortion doctors have to have admitting privileges at the local hospital.  Oh hey, the abortion clinics are only set up as outpatient centers?  Cool, - all abortion clinics have to meet actual hospital standards.  Sorry if that's too expensive or your facility cannot be retrofit to accommodate!

I don't know how this stuff isn't instantly struck down, it's the equivalent of passing a "bill of attainder" which IIRC is unconstitutional in America.


That's the beauty of it: They pass this shiat, it fails to stick by whatever mechanism, and the rubes scream more and send more money and elect more Republicans.

Seriously, it's a political perpetual motion machine.

Gun control is a similar issue for Libruls. An issue where not much REALLY changes but fighting the 'Good' fight lets them feel better about themselves.
 
2013-03-06 01:01:23 AM

No Such Agency: lennavan:
The My Little Pony Killer: Supporters say the change would ensure women have time to receive required counseling at pregnancy help centers, which discourage abortions. make it to the second trimester and can no longer abort at all

Don't dance around the issue by trying to act as though you're doing anybody a favor here.

Yep.  Tiny legislation by tiny legislation and the pro-lifers are slowly outlawing abortion.  You gotta get an ultrasound.  Wait, you gotta get a vaginal ultrasound.  You gotta wait a day.  Wait, you gotta wait a few days.  Wait, weekends/holidays don't count.  Oh, hey the only clinic in the entire state has doctors without admitting privileges at the local hospital?  Cool, - All abortion doctors have to have admitting privileges at the local hospital.  Oh hey, the abortion clinics are only set up as outpatient centers?  Cool, - all abortion clinics have to meet actual hospital standards.  Sorry if that's too expensive or your facility cannot be retrofit to accommodate!

I don't know how this stuff isn't instantly struck down, it's the equivalent of passing a "bill of attainder" which IIRC is unconstitutional in America.


It is. Then it gets appealed to the next highest court on some technicality or other, and it goes around again. Sooner or later one of these asinine laws will hit the Supreme Court and be found unconstitutional even under the strict standards of Casey and Gonzales...after much unneeded misery and anguish has been felt and many dollars spent. But until then, the state law controls, because that's the way our laws and Constitution function. Unless someone can get a federal injunction--which can also be appealed and stayed.

Fun, isn't it? Unless you're the desperate soul who needs an abortion, but you should have thought of that before you got pregnant.
 
2013-03-06 06:24:58 AM

MFAWG: Gergesa: Oh honestly, doesn't this crap ever end?

No.


Certainly not in Jesusland. Thankfully there's some sanity left out here on the west coast.
 
2013-03-06 06:39:53 AM

Gyrfalcon: Sooner or later one of these asinine laws will hit the Supreme Court and be found unconstitutional even under the strict standards of Casey and Gonzales...after much unneeded misery and anguish has been felt and many dollars spent.


I wouldn't count on that.
 
2013-03-06 06:41:53 AM

Evil High Priest: More_Like_A_Stain: Theaetetus: No, that's not it at all... It's just that there's no where a pregnant woman could go on, say, a Sunday morning around 9-10 AM, to get counseling against having an abortion. Nope, no places like that exist at all, and they certainly don't have steeples and allegedly-celibate men in robes and pipe organs.

Isn't that the place where they're always thinking of the children?

Well, only the unborn ones. The born ones are probably poor democrats, so fark 'em.


Literally, in some cases.
 
2013-03-06 09:59:11 AM

smeegle: Whatever, it's three farkin days. Believe you me, if I decided on having an abortion, my mind would be set and I could stikl the three days out, and deal with all of the BS that comes with it. Just nod and wave ladies.
Then carry on.


Except that it may not be three days.  There may be holidays and weekends and then you need to reschedule because of work and find a new baby-sitter, and the clinic doesn't have an available time-slot, and so it goes.  This is bullshiat and we all know that if men got pregnant, abortions would be tax-payer funded and men would brag about how many they had.
 
2013-03-06 10:03:48 AM

jcooli09: I think it's time to create a charitable foundation to pay travel expenses, lost wages, and hotels for needy women who need abortions but live I  states which oppress their rights.


I've often thought that if I were fabulously wealthy I could do that.  Imagine if this country didn't have to derail every budget issue with abortion fights.
 
2013-03-06 01:03:14 PM

MFAWG: spongeboob: MFAWG: Gergesa: Oh honestly, doesn't this crap ever end?

No.

What about when the Rs are in charge?

Nope. This shiat has been going of for 40 years, and the derp was just as strong during Reagan's terms as it is now.


Now this could be confirmation bias or some other memory failure on my part, but I don't remember a bunch of new anti-abortion laws back when the Rs had the presidency, the House and the Senate.
 
2013-03-06 02:11:55 PM

spongeboob: MFAWG: spongeboob: MFAWG: Gergesa: Oh honestly, doesn't this crap ever end?

No.

What about when the Rs are in charge?

Nope. This shiat has been going of for 40 years, and the derp was just as strong during Reagan's terms as it is now.

Now this could be confirmation bias or some other memory failure on my part, but I don't remember a bunch of new anti-abortion laws back when the Rs had the presidency, the House and the Senate.


Oh, they were there. It's just that the Internet and 500 news channels weren't yet.
 
2013-03-06 03:55:18 PM

Karac: You forgot the other popular tactic - pro-lifers setting up their own abortion clinics to take business from real providers.


Do they really?  I didn't forget that one, I honestly wasn't aware of it.  That's farking awesome/terrible.  I'll google it but do you have a link/example in mind?

/I could also have brought up the assassinating of abortion providers too.
 
2013-03-06 04:28:04 PM

lennavan: Karac: You forgot the other popular tactic - pro-lifers setting up their own abortion clinics to take business from real providers.

Do they really?  I didn't forget that one, I honestly wasn't aware of it.  That's farking awesome/terrible.  I'll google it but do you have a link/example in mind?

/I could also have brought up the assassinating of abortion providers too.


I saw an ad like that in NYC - it looked like it was a place where a pregnant teen can go to discuss their "options".... which you'd think includes abortion but I doubt it when in tiny print at the bottom it said "funded by such and such Pro-Life Organization"
 
2013-03-06 05:04:42 PM

Lollipop165: lennavan: Karac: You forgot the other popular tactic - pro-lifers setting up their own abortion clinics to take business from real providers.

Do they really?  I didn't forget that one, I honestly wasn't aware of it.  That's farking awesome/terrible.  I'll google it but do you have a link/example in mind?

/I could also have brought up the assassinating of abortion providers too.

I saw an ad like that in NYC - it looked like it was a place where a pregnant teen can go to discuss their "options".... which you'd think includes abortion but I doubt it when in tiny print at the bottom it said "funded by such and such Pro-Life Organization"


The closest I have seen to that were places that offer free ultrasounds, pregnancy tests, pregnancy related health care etc that happened to be run by pro-lifers.  So presumably there they confirm your pregnancy test and then discuss options which do not include abortion.  But I don't see anything wrong with that, it's their money, they're offering free health care in exchange for a chance to talk you out of an abortion.  No one has to go, you can always go, get confirmation or whatever else you want and then head to a provider.  It's quite different than what he described.
 
2013-03-06 09:58:23 PM

THX 1138: tom baker's scarf: waiting periods seem only to drag out a miserable process for no reason.

Ding ding ding.   If you can't legally make abortion illegal, at least make the women suffer as much as possible as they jump through all the necessary hoops.


Can you imagine the hijinks if the male contribution to pregnancy was highlighted similarly? "Sorry, dude, but you have to have a physical exam and permission from five different doctors (at the state and federal level) before you can blow that load because a test has shown that it's going to result in a pregnancy."

/The abortion debate is about men hiding their shame when the evidence in is womens bodies.
 
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