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2013-03-05 07:23:55 PM  

Fuzzmosis: I'm not a woman, nor have I even been pregnant. Nor have I made a girl pregnant.

But... why is the base assumption that women rush to the abortion clinic without thinking about it first? That's the only rationale I can think of for this... well, that and fanatacism. When your base assumptions are no one thinks but you, and you're over the age of 12, someone failed at raising you.

That's right. I'm now blaming politicians parents for their actions. They clearly won't take personal responsibility.


There are no assumptions here.  They simply don't want any woman to have an abortion and are trying to erode away a woman's right to have one.  This is a simple and obvious fact.
 
2013-03-05 07:24:20 PM  

lennavan: The My Little Pony Killer: Supporters say the change would ensure women have time to receive required counseling at pregnancy help centers, which discourage abortions. make it to the second trimester and can no longer abort at all

Don't dance around the issue by trying to act as though you're doing anybody a favor here.

Yep.  Tiny legislation by tiny legislation and the pro-lifers are slowly outlawing abortion.  You gotta get an ultrasound.  Wait, you gotta get a vaginal ultrasound.  You gotta wait a day.  Wait, you gotta wait a few days.  Wait, weekends/holidays don't count.  Oh, hey the only clinic in the entire state has doctors without admitting privileges at the local hospital?  Cool, - All abortion doctors have to have admitting privileges at the local hospital.  Oh hey, the abortion clinics are only set up as outpatient centers?  Cool, - all abortion clinics have to meet actual hospital standards.  Sorry if that's too expensive or your facility cannot be retrofit to accommodate!


In the Twilight Zone treatment of this bullshiat, the state would be taken over by arugula munching commiefascists who regulate guns, beer and football in just this manner.
 
2013-03-05 07:24:48 PM  

DemonEater: Why don't they just require a 3 month wait and get it over with?



They can't do that outright, publicly because even in South Dakota a woman might be able to save up enough to make it to Denver or Minneapolis or Fargo in time if that information is common knowledge.

So they nickel-and-dime the waiting period and requirements about who counts as a "counselor" every damn legislative session so there's always confusion and uncertainty


/ok, admittedly talking a bit out my ass but that's how it appears to me
 
2013-03-05 07:27:54 PM  

Fuzzmosis: But... why is the base assumption that women rush to the abortion clinic without thinking about it first? That's the only rationale I can think of for this... well, that and fanatacism. When your base assumptions are no one thinks but you, and you're over the age of 12, someone failed at raising you.


It's not that; they just don't want women to have any sort of freedom over their own lives, because God said that women should be silent sex slaves to the Almighty Penis-Havers or some other such nonsense. Look up "The Handmaid's Tale."
 
2013-03-05 07:29:51 PM  

DeaH: Ladies of South Dakota, here's a handy link. Think of Plan B the same way you would a fire extinguisher. You don't wait for a fire to run out and buy a fire extinguisher, and you don't wait for contraceptive failure to buy Plan B. If you live in a state like South Dakota, I suggest buying two kits. Have one on you and one in your home.


"Only 4 left in stock "

Seriously, though, can they really sell medication online like that?

For that matter, could a wealthy person with strong feelings on this issue buy a truckload of Plan B and hand it out like beads at Mardi Gras?
 
2013-03-05 07:32:38 PM  

Fluorescent Testicle: [words]


No, I have no idea why I put quotation marks around a book title.
 
2013-03-05 07:32:40 PM  

DeaH: Ladies of South Dakota, here's a handy link. Think of Plan B the same way you would a fire extinguisher. You don't wait for a fire to run out and buy a fire extinguisher, and you don't wait for contraceptive failure to buy Plan B. If you live in a state like South Dakota, I suggest buying two kits. Have one on you and one in your home.



Don't be sexist, male farkers from SD could also keep a kit for the women in their lives.
 
2013-03-05 07:34:43 PM  
required counseling at pregnancy help centers, which discourage abortions

So, they have to prove they have been to one of these centers whose goal is to prevent abortions in order to be allowed to have an abortion.  Wouldn't these centers make a point of refusing to stamp their form, or losing everyone's paperwork, in order to make sure that no abortions take place?

And of course there is no need to extend the waiting period for the reasons stated, since the women have to prove they've been to one of these centers anyway.
 
2013-03-05 07:36:01 PM  
Whatever, it's three farkin days. Believe you me, if I decided on having an abortion, my mind would be set and I could stikl the three days out, and deal with all of the BS that comes with it. Just nod and wave ladies.
Then carry on.
 
2013-03-05 07:36:53 PM  

spongeboob: Don't be sexist, male farkers from SD could also keep a kit for the women in their lives.


Will drugstores sell Plan B to a man?  I believe it is behind the counter with the Sudafed, not out in the aisles with the condoms and asprin.  For that matter, drugstores in SD might not stock it at all.
 
2013-03-05 07:37:01 PM  
Does South Dakota require a wait on vasectomies?
 
2013-03-05 07:37:19 PM  
I mean stick, not stikl or whatever.
 
2013-03-05 07:40:18 PM  

pciszek: spongeboob: Don't be sexist, male farkers from SD could also keep a kit for the women in their lives.

Will drugstores sell Plan B to a man?  I believe it is behind the counter with the Sudafed, not out in the aisles with the condoms and asprin.  For that matter, drugstores in SD might not stock it at all.


Vasectomies can now be reversed.
 
2013-03-05 07:41:28 PM  

BMulligan: Dafatone: Upon moving here, my dad's advice was "don't do drugs and don't get anyone pregnant."

Good advice.

Funny. My dad's advice was "anything worth doing is worth doing on company time."


One of my coworkers refuses to take a dump at home.  He swears he only drops deuces on the boss's time and using the boss's TP.
Lord only knows what he does on three day weekend.
 
2013-03-05 07:41:35 PM  
spongeboob: Does South Dakota require a wait on vasectomies?

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2013-03-05 07:41:49 PM  

pciszek: spongeboob: Don't be sexist, male farkers from SD could also keep a kit for the women in their lives.

Will drugstores sell Plan B to a man?  I believe it is behind the counter with the Sudafed, not out in the aisles with the condoms and asprin.  For that matter, drugstores in SD might not stock it at all.


CVS store policy does not prohibit men from buy the morning-after pill, and under federal law, anyone over the age of 17 can buy Plan B without a prescription.  From a story about a man refused a plan B by a female pharmacist who wanted to speak with the woman

I just assumed that anyone could buy them, they never stopped me from buying pads for my wife, or her from buying condoms.
 
2013-03-05 07:42:13 PM  

pciszek: spongeboob: Don't be sexist, male farkers from SD could also keep a kit for the women in their lives.

Will drugstores sell Plan B to a man?  I believe it is behind the counter with the Sudafed, not out in the aisles with the condoms and asprin.  For that matter, drugstores in SD might not stock it at all.


I don't see why not. All they need is a valid ID and their signature on the touch screen.
 
2013-03-05 07:43:00 PM  

Fuzzmosis: When your base assumptions are no one thinks but you, and you're over the age of 12, someone failed at raising you.


Well, the safety interlocks on some machinery are designed on that same principal.  Unfortunately, there is no shortage of incidents proving that this design philosophy is justified.
 
2013-03-05 07:44:39 PM  

spongeboob: pciszek: spongeboob: Don't be sexist, male farkers from SD could also keep a kit for the women in their lives.

Will drugstores sell Plan B to a man?  I believe it is behind the counter with the Sudafed, not out in the aisles with the condoms and asprin.  For that matter, drugstores in SD might not stock it at all.

CVS store policy does not prohibit men from buy the morning-after pill, and under federal law, anyone over the age of 17 can buy Plan B without a prescription.  From a story about a man refused a plan B by a female pharmacist who wanted to speak with the woman

I just assumed that anyone could buy them, they never stopped me from buying pads for my wife, or her from buying condoms.


I used to pick up birth control pills for my wife regularly from the pharmacy. Don't see how this would be different.
 
2013-03-05 07:44:49 PM  

pciszek: spongeboob: Don't be sexist, male farkers from SD could also keep a kit for the women in their lives.

Will drugstores sell Plan B to a man?  I believe it is behind the counter with the Sudafed, not out in the aisles with the condoms and asprin.  For that matter, drugstores in SD might not stock it at all.


Walgreen's might. Small-town old-school pharmacies may well not.
 
2013-03-05 07:44:58 PM  

smeegle: Whatever, it's three farkin days. Believe you me, if I decided on having an abortion, my mind would be set and I could stikl the three days out, and deal with all of the BS that comes with it. Just nod and wave ladies.
Then carry on.


It's not the "time" that is necessarily the problem.  It's all the inconvenience, cost and time added by having the wait an extra three days that is the problem.  I'm guessing there isn't an abortion provider conveniently located in every town in SD.
 
2013-03-05 07:46:04 PM  
Fun quote from Wiki:

FTFWiki: In a May 2012 Kaiser Family Foundation poll it was found that only a third of women believed there was a wide-scale effort to limit reproductive health, seen as disbelief in the War on Women.

That's right. A full third of women, or 1/6th of the population of the United States even if you want to assume that no men feel the same way (which is obviously not true), agree that the GOP is full of misogynistic scumbags, but it still counts as a "Disbelief."
 
2013-03-05 07:47:20 PM  

lennavan: The My Little Pony Killer: Supporters say the change would ensure women have time to receive required counseling at pregnancy help centers, which discourage abortions. make it to the second trimester and can no longer abort at all

Don't dance around the issue by trying to act as though you're doing anybody a favor here.

Yep.  Tiny legislation by tiny legislation and the pro-lifers are slowly outlawing abortion.  You gotta get an ultrasound.  Wait, you gotta get a vaginal ultrasound.  You gotta wait a day.  Wait, you gotta wait a few days.  Wait, weekends/holidays don't count.  Oh, hey the only clinic in the entire state has doctors without admitting privileges at the local hospital?  Cool, - All abortion doctors have to have admitting privileges at the local hospital.  Oh hey, the abortion clinics are only set up as outpatient centers?  Cool, - all abortion clinics have to meet actual hospital standards.  Sorry if that's too expensive or your facility cannot be retrofit to accommodate!


You forgot the other popular tactic - pro-lifers setting up their own abortion clinics to take business from real providers.

"Sorry dearie, you've got a temperature of 98.7; we can't perform this major surgury on someone who's already sick.  Why don't you just come back next week?"
"Oh, hello again!  Looks like your temperature's fine, however, I'm sorry to tell you the doc is out golfing this week.  He'll be back in next Tuesday."
"Nice to see you again honey.  The doc's in and you're healthy - lets do this.  Oh wait, when did you concieve?  20 and a half weeks ago?  I'm so sorry, that's past the legal limit.  Mazel tov!"
 
2013-03-05 07:47:35 PM  

Pincy: smeegle: Whatever, it's three farkin days. Believe you me, if I decided on having an abortion, my mind would be set and I could stikl the three days out, and deal with all of the BS that comes with it. Just nod and wave ladies.
Then carry on.

It's not the "time" that is necessarily the problem.  It's all the inconvenience, cost and time added by having the wait an extra three days that is the problem.  I'm guessing there isn't an abortion provider conveniently located in every town in SD.


Nope. Sioux Falls alone. Not even Rapid City (the second-largest city on the opposite side of the state)
 
2013-03-05 07:51:37 PM  

Pincy: smeegle: Whatever, it's three farkin days. Believe you me, if I decided on having an abortion, my mind would be set and I could stikl the three days out, and deal with all of the BS that comes with it. Just nod and wave ladies.
Then carry on.

It's not the "time" that is necessarily the problem.  It's all the inconvenience, cost and time added by having the wait an extra three days that is the problem.  I'm guessing there isn't an abortion provider conveniently located in every town in SD.


Looks like the only one is in Sioux Falls
 
2013-03-05 07:52:47 PM  
Those "pregnancy counseling centers" are conveniently located around the state. As stated above, abortion providers....not so much.

South Dakota is like the Twilight Zone. Almost everyone there is crabby and unhappy. This is why so many of us gtfo as soon as we can.
 
2013-03-05 07:52:48 PM  

smeegle: Whatever, it's three farkin days. Believe you me, if I decided on having an abortion, my mind would be set and I could stikl the three days out, and deal with all of the BS that comes with it. Just nod and wave ladies. Then carry on.


You're missing the point completely. The idea is that they'll keep pushing the three days back, between further regulations and a lack of transport (as previously mentioned by Ravenlore, there's only one provider in the state), until the women have passed the gestational date where abortions are no longer legal.

And no, it's not a conspiracy theory if they've admitted it. :P
 
2013-03-05 07:57:55 PM  
Opposition to abortion is essentially religiously-motivated. Attempts to impose limits on a woman's right to abortion is forcing legislators' religious views on people regardless of what their own feelings might be. Speaking as a Jew, the instant of a baby's personhood is well-defined--it's when it takes its first breath (some rabbis say when it's head and shoulders out of the womb). In Judaism the mother's physical welfare always trumps that of the unborn infant, and in Conservative and Reform Judaism that extends to the psychological damage caused by an unwanted pregnancy. I can't speak for other faiths, but any Jewish woman who is impeded in or prevented from receiving an abortion is not just being subjected to sexual and civil harassment; she is the victim of a religious hate crime as well. I would like to see some punitive lawsuits brought against these neanderthal states on that basis.

One more reason to come back to the mother religion, and I'm sure there are Reform synagogues out there who'd be willing to perform some quickie conversions in a good cause.
 
2013-03-05 08:04:40 PM  
maybe it's just me thinking but have any of these groups gotten any creditable numbers that show that waiting periods actually cut down on the number of abortions?  it seems to me that if you are rushing to get it done then you aren't really thinking about it and so you are going to do it.  if you spend a bunch of time thinking about it and still want to get it done you probably won't change your mind if you need to wait for x# of days.

waiting periods seem only to drag out a miserable process for no reason.
 
2013-03-05 08:11:43 PM  
tom baker's scarf:
waiting periods seem only to drag out a miserable process for no reason.

Plenty of reason$ why in rural areas waiting periods might prevent access to abortion services.
 
2013-03-05 08:11:50 PM  
I'm gonna call fake on this one.
Women aren't allowed to think in South Dakota.
 
2013-03-05 08:14:04 PM  
I think it's time to create a charitable foundation to pay travel expenses, lost wages, and hotels for needy women who need abortions but live I  states which oppress their rights.
 
2013-03-05 08:14:32 PM  

Ryker's Peninsula: I'm gonna call fake on this one.
Women aren't allowed to think in South Dakota.


As EmmaLou  mentioned, that's why we GTFO.
 
2013-03-05 08:17:32 PM  
Oh honestly, doesn't this crap ever end?
 
2013-03-05 08:27:13 PM  
Congratulations, you're backwards.
 
2013-03-05 08:29:02 PM  

Gergesa: Oh honestly, doesn't this crap ever end?


No.
 
2013-03-05 08:31:08 PM  

MFAWG: Gergesa: Oh honestly, doesn't this crap ever end?

No.


What about when the Rs are in charge?
 
2013-03-05 08:33:27 PM  

Gergesa: Oh honestly, doesn't this crap ever end?


It ends when voters in this country wake the f*ck up and marginalize these asshats to the point where they can't pull this sh*t anymore.
 
2013-03-05 08:34:17 PM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Gergesa: Oh honestly, doesn't this crap ever end?

It ends when voters in this country wake the f*ck up and marginalize these asshats to the point where they can't pull this sh*t anymore.


So I guess MFAWG already got the answer.
 
2013-03-05 08:42:15 PM  

tom baker's scarf: waiting periods seem only to drag out a miserable process for no reason.


Ding ding ding.   If you can't legally make abortion illegal, at least make the women suffer as much as possible as they jump through all the necessary hoops.
 
2013-03-05 08:43:59 PM  
Need as much time as possible to harass them, of course. It's not that women aren't available - it's that anti-abortion organizations work during the day and save their weekends for picketing, stalking, and the occasional sniper killing If women go in on a Friday and get their abortion on a Monday, well, the anti-abortion nuts can't get enough lead time to properly harass them.

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Gergesa: Oh honestly, doesn't this crap ever end?

It ends when voters in this country wake the f*ck up and marginalize these asshats to the point where they can't pull this sh*t anymore.


And, this. For a while, they were marginalized. The Reagan years, and all the religion money that was dumped into politics since then, tipped the balance. The pendulum is swinging back to secularism, so we'll see several more years of this silliness before sanity returns to both state & federal governments.
 
2013-03-05 08:44:50 PM  

meat0918: I can't help but feel that all of this is just trying to get a case to try and overturn Roe v. Wade before the more conservative justices retire or die.

I highly doubt Roberts would want his to be the court that overturns it, not after his Obamacare performance.


Roberts is pretty firmly individual-rights interpretey, and even Scalia is pretty reluctant to ban/change things in the face of overwhelming, concrete evidence of a policy being unambiguously and overwhelmingly in the public interest like abortion availability has in spades.

Basically, overturning Roe v. Wade is never, ever going to happen.  As it has been for three decades, it's a red herring to get people to push the "Vote all [R]" button at the voting booth, and that's it.  Even the intermediate bullshiat that the TP folks are pulling is not something the actual folks running the national party are down with... though I imagine those guys are pretty much weeping quietly into their hands in the corner at this point anyhow as the regional interests destroy the GOP's national credibility for short-term local gains.

And by short-term I mean two to four years, since that's how long TP candidates seem to actually last in office for the most part.
 
2013-03-05 08:44:54 PM  

THX 1138: tom baker's scarf: waiting periods seem only to drag out a miserable process for no reason.

Ding ding ding.   If you can't legally make abortion illegal, at least make the women suffer as much as possible as they jump through all the necessary hoops.


Makes sense. I'm usally right.
 
2013-03-05 08:45:42 PM  

THX 1138: tom baker's scarf: waiting periods seem only to drag out a miserable process for no reason.

Ding ding ding.   If you can't legally make abortion illegal, at least make the women suffer as much as possible as they jump through all the necessary hoops.


They must be shamed. That's the whole point of vaginal ultrasounds, forced counseling, and other invasions of privacy. If you want an abortion, you must be a slut, not a God-fearing woman, and so you must be shamed.
 
2013-03-05 09:00:08 PM  
Go have your abortion somewhere else. Its not really that far from South Dakota to Minnesota or for that matter, Saskatchewan. Cluck South Dakota, give someone more deserving your business.
 
2013-03-05 09:00:47 PM  
Limited government only when it doesn't involve sex.
 
2013-03-05 09:01:42 PM  

FormlessOne: They must be shamed. That's the whole point of vaginal ultrasounds, forced counseling, and other invasions of privacy.


In fairness, you do have to receive a good deal of counseling for any medical procedure but _especially_ surgical procedures in general, at least from your doctor.  Informed consent law has been around for quite a while.  So counseling actually serves a legitimate medical purpose if the person giving it is your Obstetrician/Gynecologist or other relevant surgical specialist (I don't think "abortionist" is actually a thing but I assume it has some relevant specialty).

Vaginal ultrasounds, however, are bloody stupid.  Any medical purpose of the imaging is well and easily covered by the usual gel on the abdomen ultrasounds that don't require dropping your pants.  Similarly, the arbitrary waiting period shiat needs to die in a fire along with anyone that's suggested it.  That's not how medicine works.  In medicine, you have a set of required procedures, and you do them when you can.  If you can fit them in more quickly than average without skimping on quality,  great.  Someone will give you more than the usual amount of money to tell them how you managed it.  The people that watch and can tell if you're cutting corners are called  the AMA, and they're about as far from being a state congress as you can get.
 
2013-03-05 09:07:58 PM  

spongeboob: DeaH: Ladies of South Dakota, here's a handy link. Think of Plan B the same way you would a fire extinguisher. You don't wait for a fire to run out and buy a fire extinguisher, and you don't wait for contraceptive failure to buy Plan B. If you live in a state like South Dakota, I suggest buying two kits. Have one on you and one in your home.


Don't be sexist, male farkers from SD could also keep a kit for the women in their lives.


Gentlemen, by all mean, purchase a spare kit. Plan B is OTC, and it should available through online pharmacies if you cannot find it in a local pharmacy.
 
2013-03-05 09:08:26 PM  
So, once the women go out of state for their abortions, how will South Dakota get them to come back?
 
2013-03-05 09:09:11 PM  
WHAR RUBBER VENDING MACHINES WHAR?

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//nowhere near states that push the criminalization of pregnant women.  Assholes.
 
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