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2013-03-05 05:01:22 PM  

imfallen_angel: roflmaonow: Cooler Master Hyper 212+ CPU Cooler

SMACK!!!

Liquid cooling system is where it's at.

Anything less is .......

/Hide your shame!


Yea true, I should upgrade to a liquid cooling system. I am deathly afraid of leaks and do not want it to fry my system. I know it's rare but still haven't come round to buying it. I am however a bit disappointed with the 212+, I probably need to reseat my fan since I don't get the super cooling it promises over air cooling. I noticed only a 2-3 degree difference.
 
2013-03-05 05:01:31 PM  
VUDU's law:
/and I been playing with computers since 1969...

YOU FARKERS OUT THERE ARE DOING IT WRONG1!!!
YOU AREN'T MAKING THE CONNECTIVITY EASY ENOUGH FOR EVERYONE AND YOU AREN'T MAKING THEM HUMANELY AFFORDABLE. YOU NEED TO THINK OUTSIDE OF THE BOX. YOU NEED TO FIGURE OUT ORGANIC PROGRAMMING, AND LEARN HOW TO MELD BOTH WORLDS.
FRIKKING FREE DATA IS FASTER THAN DATA I OWN AND KEEP ON SOMEONE ELSE'S SERVER FOR A FARKING FEE??? WHAT THE FARK IS THAT ALL ABOUT?!?1!
WHERE IS MY FARKING FLYING CAR, WRIST TV THAT ALSO OPENES MY GOD DAMNED GARAGE DOOR AND STARTS MY FARKING CAR AND CHECKS MY BLOOD PRESSURE!?!?

And it's running high.

More's farking law, indeed.
Jesus. Did someone find their old three ring loose-leaf in mom's attic?
Get back to work,and stop writing pinhead articles in a sad attempt to play human engineer.
 
2013-03-05 05:01:53 PM  

Optimus Primate: This thread is like a modern day auto shop atmosphere for geeks...love it!

While I have you experts in such matters here, do you have any opinions on the new Chromebooks? I need a new laptop, all I use it for is web surfing pretty much. I like the concept of the SSID.


For just web surfing, you can't go wrong with a Chromebook.
 
2013-03-05 05:02:37 PM  

skullkrusher: I don't get the whole tablet killed the PC thing. I'd still take a desktop over a tablet or laptop any day


They just aren't the same thing at all.

My desktop is still my machine for everything, but my tablet, for looking things up, surfing Fark while in from of the TV, a few games, as my music player (via Bluetooth stereo headset), etc. has been a HUGE asset.

I honestly would not want to be without a tablet now.

It's the in-between my phone and the desktop, and I never expected to use it as much, to enjoy it as much....

It's more portable than a laptop and with a decent Bluetooth keyboard, I can use it to type notes during meetings, etc. Show pictures, etc.

And I've now set it up to remote access my desktops and it's been a Godsend.
 
2013-03-05 05:02:48 PM  

vudukungfu: VUDU's law:
/and I been playing with computers since 1969...

YOU FARKERS OUT THERE ARE DOING IT WRONG1!!!
YOU AREN'T MAKING THE CONNECTIVITY EASY ENOUGH FOR EVERYONE AND YOU AREN'T MAKING THEM HUMANELY AFFORDABLE. YOU NEED TO THINK OUTSIDE OF THE BOX. YOU NEED TO FIGURE OUT ORGANIC PROGRAMMING, AND LEARN HOW TO MELD BOTH WORLDS.
FRIKKING FREE DATA IS FASTER THAN DATA I OWN AND KEEP ON SOMEONE ELSE'S SERVER FOR A FARKING FEE??? WHAT THE FARK IS THAT ALL ABOUT?!?1!
WHERE IS MY FARKING FLYING CAR, WRIST TV THAT ALSO OPENES MY GOD DAMNED GARAGE DOOR AND STARTS MY FARKING CAR AND CHECKS MY BLOOD PRESSURE!?!?

And it's running high.

More's farking law, indeed.
Jesus. Did someone find their old three ring loose-leaf in mom's attic?
Get back to work,and stop writing pinhead articles in a sad attempt to play human engineer.


You need to get your caps lock fixed.
 
2013-03-05 05:05:50 PM  
imfallen_angel : Here's a suggestion

I'm building my own box, I think I can come in at around the price point of one of the premade RAID enclosures, with the added benefit of my box actually being a full machine (so that I can run a streaming/encoding server on it as well and maybe some content management stuff.

I'm going to borrow heavily from the build my friend made (he used the Lian Li Q25 case).

Similar to this
 
2013-03-05 05:06:36 PM  

roflmaonow: imfallen_angel: roflmaonow: Cooler Master Hyper 212+ CPU Cooler

SMACK!!!

Liquid cooling system is where it's at.

Anything less is .......

/Hide your shame!

Yea true, I should upgrade to a liquid cooling system. I am deathly afraid of leaks and do not want it to fry my system. I know it's rare but still haven't come round to buying it. I am however a bit disappointed with the 212+, I probably need to reseat my fan since I don't get the super cooling it promises over air cooling. I noticed only a 2-3 degree difference.


I've yet to hear of a single system leaking...

Mine's been going for 2-3 years now (and my machine is on 24/7), and it's been flawless..

Just don't go too cheap I guess...

But one of these is much quieter, and really helps the internal heat... just have a secondary fan for the other components.  I've "modded" my box by adding an extra fan on the side, but that's because of the computer being in a bit of a tight space and the video card tended to get hot as it's fan wasn't strong enough..
 
2013-03-05 05:10:46 PM  

lordargent: imfallen_angel : Here's a suggestion

I'm building my own box, I think I can come in at around the price point of one of the premade RAID enclosures, with the added benefit of my box actually being a full machine (so that I can run a streaming/encoding server on it as well and maybe some content management stuff.

I'm going to borrow heavily from the build my friend made (he used the Lian Li Q25 case).

Similar to this


Cool..

The one thing I'd say is that the biggest problem with such a box will be access to the drives (if one blows), and size... and the MediaSonic boxes are 1/4 of the price of anything else I've seen.

I tend to want my devices separated in case if one thing blows, the other can keep going and the blows part just needs to be switched.  The whole having all your eggs in the same basket scenario that I'm too paranoid to risk.
 
2013-03-05 05:12:00 PM  
Only a year and half ago did I get rid of the computer I'd had since 2002. Granted, I'd replaced everything in it at least once, save for its boot drive and its copy of Windows XP. It finally had to go. So I built a new one, installed Linux. It's nothing to make the geeks wet, but it does the trick. Also, I've not used a video card for years and years. Not being a gamer goes a long ways in making a PC last with a minimum of upgrades or replacements.
 
2013-03-05 05:12:57 PM  

imfallen_angel: roflmaonow: imfallen_angel: roflmaonow: Cooler Master Hyper 212+ CPU Cooler

SMACK!!!

Liquid cooling system is where it's at.

Anything less is .......

/Hide your shame!

Yea true, I should upgrade to a liquid cooling system. I am deathly afraid of leaks and do not want it to fry my system. I know it's rare but still haven't come round to buying it. I am however a bit disappointed with the 212+, I probably need to reseat my fan since I don't get the super cooling it promises over air cooling. I noticed only a 2-3 degree difference.

I've yet to hear of a single system leaking...

Mine's been going for 2-3 years now (and my machine is on 24/7), and it's been flawless..

Just don't go too cheap I guess...

But one of these is much quieter, and really helps the internal heat... just have a secondary fan for the other components.  I've "modded" my box by adding an extra fan on the side, but that's because of the computer being in a bit of a tight space and the video card tended to get hot as it's fan wasn't strong enough..


I believe it was H60 series that many complained of leaks. Heck my coworker had one leak and fried his system. I won't go cheap as my setup should tell you. Just been lazy to get round to it.
 
2013-03-05 05:12:58 PM  

Fubini: Game consoles have pretty much made sure that video-games can be run on 9 year old hardware, and most modern games do run pretty well on relatively old hardware.

The new PS4 specs don't even come close to a modern *performance* PC, and you could build something on par with them for $500 or less.


I'll vouch for that.  In fact, I have something on par with them that I put together for around $500, hooked to my TV running Steam in Big Picture Mode.
 
2013-03-05 05:14:37 PM  

enry: DamnYankees: That article seem to say the opposite - Moore's law is no longer holding. If processing power is only improving 10% per year, then the law has been broken.

Moore's law doesn't talk about processing power, only number of affordable transistors in a given space. These days, it means increasing the number of cores rather than going to 4Ghz. Most desktops don't need 6 or 8 cores.

Aside from migrating to an SSD and adding a second monitor, I haven't upgraded my main system in probably 3 years and don't really see a need to.


My desktop was purchased in late 2006/early 2007 and my laptop was purchased in late 2009/early 2010. Neither one is due to be replaced anytime soon.
 
2013-03-05 05:15:07 PM  

TelemonianAjax: I just got the Mrs. a new Win8 touch screen laptop (her 6 yr old MacBook died and she switched, also ditched her iPhon 4 for an SIII) and we love it.  It's hard to navigate at first, but I think it's solid, and you can always get back to the Win7 desktop.


From a mobile device perspective, I hear a lot of good things about 8. From a desktop perspective, this is the second job where the IT director said that I was more than welcome to install it and test it(Work IT myself), but they would recommend that I don't even bother. MS and Apple are making the same mistake and thinking that we all want some kind of unified OS for both tablets/phones and laptops/desktops. We do different things, and for the most part want different functionality.
 
2013-03-05 05:15:14 PM  
I still use my 15 year old Dell desktop for gaming and it works perfectly.

I'd explain more, but right now I'm in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.
 
2013-03-05 05:15:21 PM  
Yay another PC thread :)  My opinion:  Power vs need reached a comfy peak right around the Pentium 4s broke the 3Ghz barrier and 2-4GB of memory became common, since then its just been niche purposes and power users that continue to drive upwards.

roflmaonow: Well if you want my super nerd setup, brace yourself.

Intel i5 2500k Sandy Bridge CPU 3.3 Ghz (Currently OC'd to 4.2 Ghz)
Cooler Master Hyper 212+ CPU Cooler
ASUS P8P67 Pro 3.0 LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
16GB DDR3 1333 RAM Dual Channel
650W ATX 12V power supply
XFX ZDFC Radeon HD 6870 1 GB DDR3 Video card
128 GB Crucial M4 SATA III (500 MB/s read speed)
23" ASUS 1080p HD 2ms LCD Monitor (1920 x 1080)
27" Planar 1080p HD 2ms LCD Monitor (1920 x 1080)
4 TB drives (2TB x 2)
Cooler Master Sniper case
Blu-Ray Writer
DVD Writer


weknowmemes.com
My Gaming desktop is:
2600K OC'ed to 4.8Ghz on air
3x GTX580 3GB vram editions
2x Vertex4 256GB SSDs in Raid0 (OS, apps and ripping drive), 2x 1TB black drives in raid1 (local storage drive for not pr0n)
3x Asus 24" 1080p monitors that can pivot (gaming at 5760x1080 or 3240x1920 depending on best aspect ratio for the game)
16GB of corsair somethingorother standard issue 1600Mhz ram
Asus WS Revolution motherboard (quad PCIE ports and a number of other ridiculous stats)
1200w corsair PSU
NZXT Phantom case in black
Random other crap like a bluray drive and peripherals

What I regret though:  A month after I bought those video cards the damned 7970s came out, a month and I even knew about that too.  Doh!
 
2013-03-05 05:15:26 PM  

imfallen_angel: skullkrusher: I don't get the whole tablet killed the PC thing. I'd still take a desktop over a tablet or laptop any day

They just aren't the same thing at all.

My desktop is still my machine for everything, but my tablet, for looking things up, surfing Fark while in from of the TV, a few games, as my music player (via Bluetooth stereo headset), etc. has been a HUGE asset.

I honestly would not want to be without a tablet now.

It's the in-between my phone and the desktop, and I never expected to use it as much, to enjoy it as much....

It's more portable than a laptop and with a decent Bluetooth keyboard, I can use it to type notes during meetings, etc. Show pictures, etc.

And I've now set it up to remote access my desktops and it's been a Godsend.


I haven't replaced (the fried backlight and subsequent cracked touch interface on) my broken Asus TF101 tablet yet because I realized I only used it for websurfing and reading comics, and much more for reading comics.  I can't justify spending that much money on something just to read comics.  However, every single day I wish I had it because it fills a void I didn't know was there until it was filled.  And then emptied again.

/Great, now I'm the one that's rambling.
//CSB: when my mom finally forced me to take my long boxes from her house, I found an old notebook of min where I sketched up the idea of digital comics back in 1995.  It was a combination of a DS and a Kindle.  Could've made millions!
 
2013-03-05 05:15:56 PM  

imfallen_angel: Actually my "beast" has 4 internal hot-swap drives...

1- the SSD (128GB): OS and software
2- the files drive (640GB): all documents, pictures, home movies, music
3- the work horse(640GB): the drive that I drop everything on to work with, videos, audio, images, etc.
4- the backup (2TB): backs up (live) the files drive, and everything else I feel like I need to have a backup of.

Then I have an external 1TB (2.5) to be my grab and rush backup of the files drive.

And then I have two 4-bays filled with 2TB drives for my video collection (16TB) and have a duplicate array for a backup (so another 16TB).

And then I use the 500GB drives on my other machine (the living room media player dedicated machine) as another backup for my pictures and music.

And... well, enough said.... tee hee.


Wow, that's not a complicated set up at ALL...  ;-)
 
2013-03-05 05:17:01 PM  

HeartBurnKid: Fubini: Game consoles have pretty much made sure that video-games can be run on 9 year old hardware, and most modern games do run pretty well on relatively old hardware.

The new PS4 specs don't even come close to a modern *performance* PC, and you could build something on par with them for $500 or less.

I'll vouch for that.  In fact, I have something on par with them that I put together for around $500, hooked to my TV running Steam in Big Picture Mode.


I think from what I read the specs even though on paper will match any current $500 market desktop, the PS4 is highly optimized for graphic computation. That in itself wont compare with the two side by side.
 
2013-03-05 05:18:13 PM  
imfallen_angel : The one thing I'd say is that the biggest problem with such a box will be access to the drives (if one blows), and size

It's a 5 bay and Lian Li cases are tool less.

// also, if a power supply or mobo or something dies, I can replace just that part as well. Building it myself just gives me a lot more control over it.
 
2013-03-05 05:18:38 PM  
Btw for off the shelf liquid cooling:  Check out the last Tom's hardware roundup of those, they used a Noctua HD-D14 block heatsink as a control against the liquid lineup and it trashed them, embarassed them on every single front.  It was hilarious, there's a reason that heatsink has gone up in price since its introduction to market and everything else has paled.
 
2013-03-05 05:19:27 PM  

Mikey1969: TelemonianAjax: I just got the Mrs. a new Win8 touch screen laptop (her 6 yr old MacBook died and she switched, also ditched her iPhon 4 for an SIII) and we love it.  It's hard to navigate at first, but I think it's solid, and you can always get back to the Win7 desktop.

From a mobile device perspective, I hear a lot of good things about 8. From a desktop perspective, this is the second job where the IT director said that I was more than welcome to install it and test it(Work IT myself), but they would recommend that I don't even bother. MS and Apple are making the same mistake and thinking that we all want some kind of unified OS for both tablets/phones and laptops/desktops. We do different things, and for the most part want different functionality.


I like having different interfaces that use my screen size appriopriately, but want something that can talk to other devices smoothly and (most importantly) natively, since I'm interested in "Enterprising" my house.  I'd be really curious to try out a Win 8 desktop, laptop and Win phone, just to see what kind of interactivity I could make.  But without a test rig at the moment, I don't want to go farking with Jarvis 2.0, because when it goes down, my kids turn to me and just stare until I go fix it.  I agree the desktop 8 could get very annoying.

I work for a (small) state agency, and we're the only one in the whole state that is all Windows 7.  Makes my job much easier, and makes my counterparts in Corrections and Transportation very jealous.
 
2013-03-05 05:20:06 PM  
BumpInTheNight:
[weknowmemes.com image 240x180]

THIS
 
2013-03-05 05:22:37 PM  

BumpInTheNight: Yay another PC thread :)  My opinion:  Power vs need reached a comfy peak right around the Pentium 4s broke the 3Ghz barrier and 2-4GB of memory became common, since then its just been niche purposes and power users that continue to drive upwards.

My Gaming desktop is:
2600K OC'ed to 4.8Ghz on air
3x GTX580 3GB vram editions
2x Vertex4 256GB SSDs in Raid0 (OS, apps and ripping drive), 2x 1TB black drives in raid1 (local storage drive for not pr0n)
3x Asus 24" 1080p monitors that can pivot (gaming at 5760x1080 or 3240x1920 depending on best aspect ratio for the game)
16GB of corsair somethingorother standard issue 1600Mhz ram
Asus WS Revolution motherboard (quad PCIE ports and a number of other ridiculous stats)
1200w corsair PSU
NZXT Phantom case in black
Random other crap like a bluray drive and peripherals

What I regret though:  A month after I bought those video cards the damned 7970s came out, a month and I even knew about that too.  Doh!


Thats an awesome setup. I think the 580s should be good enough. Yikes you've got 3 of them. I'm not there yet. Also sweet triple monitor setup.
 
2013-03-05 05:24:39 PM  

imfallen_angel: skullkrusher: I don't get the whole tablet killed the PC thing. I'd still take a desktop over a tablet or laptop any day

They just aren't the same thing at all.

My desktop is still my machine for everything, but my tablet, for looking things up, surfing Fark while in from of the TV, a few games, as my music player (via Bluetooth stereo headset), etc. has been a HUGE asset.

I honestly would not want to be without a tablet now.

It's the in-between my phone and the desktop, and I never expected to use it as much, to enjoy it as much....

It's more portable than a laptop and with a decent Bluetooth keyboard, I can use it to type notes during meetings, etc. Show pictures, etc.

And I've now set it up to remote access my desktops and it's been a Godsend.


right, that's what I mean. People have been calling tablets a replacement for PCs for a while now. I just don't see it. I guess for more casual users, a tablet might serve the same purpose and that could be the reason but given the choice to even surf the web on a PC or a tablet, I'd pick the PC every time
 
2013-03-05 05:24:41 PM  
PC sale's are down because apple makes better games

Angry birds star wars is the best

What game on the pc can you totally annihilate everything on the screen

What game on the pc can you descent into the enemy planet and blow things up with your missiles

What game on the pc can you shock the system of the enemy

PC has no games

- posted from my iPhone
 
2013-03-05 05:24:46 PM  

MaxxLarge: 3%


MaxxLarge: I'm seeing a lot of people who are (correctly and pragmatically) referring to what people "need" to run games.

But mod-heads don't think in terms of need. They get what they WANT. Overclocked this, multi-core that, water-cooled the other thing. If there's a doohickey they can slap into their towers that'll theoretically let them squeeze out an incremental performance boost, they'll pay hundreds for it. And I'm not down for that.

Which is part of the reason I've always stuck to consoles. I don't like having to wade through endless system requirements, wondering if my system can handle a game every time I want to play something. I just want to drop it in, and know it's going to work. Yes, graphics are important, but the incremental differences don't (to ME, at least) justify expensive quarterly upgrades. A new $300 graphics card just to make the textures 3% smoother? That's a choice I don't see a lot of point in making.

Well, that, and I grew up with a controller in my hand. So I like being able to sit on the couch and use an interface ergonomically designed to play games, instead of cramping my hands up using devices meant to move cursors and enter text, but that have been reverse-engineered to be sufficient.

/yeah, i sound fat


On the flip side: You spend $60 each game (because you don't have Steam sales =P) on a game that, in 5-10 years will likely not run on newer hardware.  If your console fails and the manufacturer isn't making them anymore, your $60 * (10 to 40 games) investment goes flying out the window.

For me, I rest assured in the knowledge that the games I buy now will generally continue to run well or better on future generations of hardware.  I still have SimTower (for Win3.11) running perfectly fine!  If *I* decide to go back to a retro game, that's *MY* choice.  Fairly sure some of the DOS games still work too =P

Incidentally, I just click "autodetect settings" (most games do this on first run anyway, so no intervention on my part needed) on all of my games and the game magically tailors it's own performance to any of my rigs.  If I want to sacrifice smoothness for a little extra quality or add even more smoothness for a little less quality, I have that choice too.

I've only recently run into performance problems with my 8+ year old AGP based rig with the more recent games, but I see this as an advantage.  A game like Guild Wars 2 runs okay on my rig as long as things don't get too hectic (and for some reason loses some frames when I turn, but running forward is fine), which means I can play without buying a new rig if this is acceptable for me.

If you were on a console, try putting a new generation game in an older generation.  Good luck in trying to get it to run.
 
2013-03-05 05:30:45 PM  

roflmaonow: Thats an awesome setup. I think the 580s should be good enough. Yikes you've got 3 of them. I'm not there yet. Also sweet triple monitor setup.


Yah the SLI goes hand in hand with multi-monitor, on a single monitor a single high-end card is usually more then enough (crysis series aside) but when you start pushing into the 4+MP display size range the raw power of multi-card gets useful, the vram on those cards becomes way more important too since its gotta hold way more info per card per frame.
 
2013-03-05 05:36:25 PM  

TelemonianAjax: I work for a (small) state agency, and we're the only one in the whole state that is all Windows 7.  Makes my job much easier, and makes my counterparts in Corrections and Transportation very jealous.


Hell, XP is even still useful. I actually downgraded a laptop from 7 to XP because it was too slow. They could have skipped 8 entirely and spent another year or two on the development, and probably made more people happy. Don't know why they didn't seem to learn from their Windows 7 Beta test and rollout.

With the exception of them doing stupid stuff like renaming 'Add/Remove Programs' for some stupid reason, 7 has been nothing but solid though.
 
2013-03-05 05:37:19 PM  

imfallen_angel: Mikey1969: 1 for application installs

Forgot to mention... all applications: have them ripped to a folder on your main drive (with backup) BUT for the actual install... get a fast jumpdrive (with plenty of space) and use that for the installs.

My jumpdrive right now is an Adata USB 3.0 64GB... read >80MBs /write >70MBs

It kicks serious arse.

Had a Corsair that was as fast (and smaller), but it's been 2 high speed Corsair jumpdrives that died on me, I'm done with them... their replacement on on my desk and used only on occasion, never to be left in my pocket like the aData is.


Hmmmm, I might just try that out. It would be awesome to have stuff like games set up like that.
 
2013-03-05 05:37:55 PM  

Mikey1969: Wow, that's not a complicated set up at ALL... ;-)


nope, not one bit... the fact that I was up to 9 computers, 5 smartphones, 3 tablets, 2 printers for my home system... I tend to enjoy the dropping of jaws when people walk into my office.

I only wish my house was bigger to have a bigger office and add more monitors... right now I'm stuck with a single 22inch.
/I'm evil that way.
 
2013-03-05 05:38:34 PM  

Mugato: Xcott: What I find amazing about this theory is how much sense it makes, and how easily people believe it, when all you have to do is think back 10 years to see why it's bogus. Every generation uses computers for something completely different, and far more compute-intensive.

Right but there has to be some diminishing returns limit at some point. Like what is the most intensive thing most non-gamers do with their machines? Download or stream movies I suppose. Your off the shelf PC can do that well. So what's next? What more is the average user going to do? Because unless some kid is going to create SkyNet on his laptop, I don't know what more the average user is going to expect to do with their machine.


You can stream movies using a $35 Raspberry Pi. Works just find.
 
2013-03-05 05:40:36 PM  
My 2007 imac is still going strong, and the new non-user expandable memory, no optical drive, underspec video (512 meg in 2013 really?) imacs aren't anything that I would even consider buying. i'm satisfied w/my console for games in lieu of a higher-spec mac. so i'm not planning to upgrade anything until something dies or hardware speed just becomes unbearable.

/well, unless I decide to build a small form-factor pc as a console replacement/steambox.
 
2013-03-05 05:43:01 PM  

SleepingEye: because you don't have Steam sales =P


I love Steam... Sure, maybe someday the company will disappear, but I'll have played the Hell out of my games by then, and when I can buy the entire GTA series(Minus the newest) for something like $20, it lets me build an actual library of games, no media and no serials to lose, and I only have to install what I want at that time on that particular machine. Yeah, those sales rock.
 
2013-03-05 05:43:31 PM  
Long as I can still play Duke Nukem on my PC, I'm good.
 
2013-03-05 05:44:58 PM  

CujoQuarrel: Mugato: Xcott: What I find amazing about this theory is how much sense it makes, and how easily people believe it, when all you have to do is think back 10 years to see why it's bogus. Every generation uses computers for something completely different, and far more compute-intensive.

Right but there has to be some diminishing returns limit at some point. Like what is the most intensive thing most non-gamers do with their machines? Download or stream movies I suppose. Your off the shelf PC can do that well. So what's next? What more is the average user going to do? Because unless some kid is going to create SkyNet on his laptop, I don't know what more the average user is going to expect to do with their machine.

You can stream movies using a $35 Raspberry Pi. Works just find.


How do you browse the files?  Is there a fancy metadata view, or is it a bare bones file browser?  I'm a weirdo, but I really, really like the Windows Media Center interface for watching movies and TV.  I use the MediaBrowser plugin and it's great, been using it for 6 years now.  I'm building my whole house system around WMC, since XBoxes are the only extenders that can give you the WMC experience and they tie everything else together personally.
 
2013-03-05 05:45:45 PM  

BumpInTheNight: Btw for off the shelf liquid cooling:  Check out the last Tom's hardware roundup of those, they used a Noctua HD-D14 block heatsink as a control against the liquid lineup and it trashed them, embarassed them on every single front.  It was hilarious, there's a reason that heatsink has gone up in price since its introduction to market and everything else has paled.


Part of the reason I switched to liquid is because my last heatsink was about that big. It will warp your motherboard over time, because gravity.

I'm all in favor of getting my CPU temps down, but I'd rather not have a mobo snap in half.
 
2013-03-05 05:45:47 PM  

imfallen_angel: Mikey1969: Wow, that's not a complicated set up at ALL... ;-)

nope, not one bit... the fact that I was up to 9 computers, 5 smartphones, 3 tablets, 2 printers for my home system... I tend to enjoy the dropping of jaws when people walk into my office.

I only wish my house was bigger to have a bigger office and add more monitors... right now I'm stuck with a single 22inch.
/I'm evil that way.


LOL... I won't have THAT complicated of a setup, but I'm damn jealous.
 
2013-03-05 05:47:32 PM  
One thing that has changed is the PC/laptop market has probably lost a lot of "status buyers" - those people who buy the newest fastest PC/laptop not because they need the power but just to display it as a status symbol.

My impression is that status buyers have switched to tablets and phones because they are really the new thing.

Sure there are still gamers but PC/laptop buyers have become more rational.

Just think what would happen to the new car market if status buyers switched to hovercraft.
 
2013-03-05 05:52:13 PM  
We have some 3d animators at work that use well spec'd workstations to do their work. In 2008 we got them 8 core Xeon systems with 48 gb ram and nice 2g Quadro cards. Late last year we pick up a new 24 core system with 128 gb ram and 6 gb Quadro. On average, the new system is 10% faster. Mind you that cuts a few hours off of a several day render, but still, for $23k, I was hoping for more.
 
2013-03-05 05:53:16 PM  

imfallen_angel: Mikey1969: Wow, that's not a complicated set up at ALL... ;-)

nope, not one bit... the fact that I was up to 9 computers, 5 smartphones, 3 tablets, 2 printers for my home system... I tend to enjoy the dropping of jaws when people walk into my office.

I only wish my house was bigger to have a bigger office and add more monitors... right now I'm stuck with a single 22inch.
/I'm evil that way.


My show off dream:  I can't wait until the 60" TV goes up and I can have my wall o' monitor.  Also, I want to be able to initiate a Red Alert command that commandeers all screens in the house and plays the klaxon and displays an image, locking the house down, and initiating a security monitoring screen on the main computer.  In the realm of pure fun, I like the idea of launching a quad copter that can use GPS to patrol the outside of the house and stream it back to the security screen, but it's hard to figure out a way it could be both protected from the elements and launchable without me opening a window.

Why, yes, I did conceive of this during the darkest of dark days with the ex wife.  Prof. X had the Magneto Protocols, I have the Ex Protocols.  This is just the hilarious terminus of what I do for personal security already when it comes to crack head succubi.
 
2013-03-05 05:53:18 PM  

MrEricSir: Part of the reason I switched to liquid is because my last heatsink was about that big. It will warp your motherboard over time, because gravity.

I'm all in favor of getting my CPU temps down, but I'd rather not have a mobo snap in half.


I read into that and to summarize what I'd found:  Part urban legend, part inexperienced power builders who also carts their machine to a lot of lan parties with the tower standing upright as they bomb down a rickety road.

/I did at one point consider using a string to anchor the HS to the top of the case but never got around to it
//I might if I ever actually brought this case anywhere
 
2013-03-05 05:55:42 PM  

clambam: I use my three year old machine for CAD drafting, 3D modeling, rendering and animation (using AutoCAD 11, Sketchup, Kerkythea and VideoMach respectively). Frankly, I'm embarrassed at how quickly I can churn out a 20 second flyby animation--I used to charge for "unattended computer time" back when an animation might take 50 hours to generate; now it takes two. I have no need, or plans, to upgrade any time soon. I certainly don't want to see my software/freeware investment disappear down the black hole of Windows 8.


Well, I have a pretty fast 1 year old system and recently spent over 12 hours rendering a 5 second animation (in multiple passes) in 3ds max. I definitely welcome hardware upgrades.
 
2013-03-05 06:00:16 PM  

Surly U. Jest: We have some 3d animators at work that use well spec'd workstations to do their work. In 2008 we got them 8 core Xeon systems with 48 gb ram and nice 2g Quadro cards. Late last year we pick up a new 24 core system with 128 gb ram and 6 gb Quadro. On average, the new system is 10% faster. Mind you that cuts a few hours off of a several day render, but still, for $23k, I was hoping for more.


Or this, which I didn't see until refreshing after my Weeners. Computers are fast enough for the average user but we could still be doing better. 3D rendering is still slow as hell, especially now with HD being the norm.
 
2013-03-05 06:04:53 PM  

roflmaonow: HeartBurnKid: Fubini: Game consoles have pretty much made sure that video-games can be run on 9 year old hardware, and most modern games do run pretty well on relatively old hardware.

The new PS4 specs don't even come close to a modern *performance* PC, and you could build something on par with them for $500 or less.

I'll vouch for that.  In fact, I have something on par with them that I put together for around $500, hooked to my TV running Steam in Big Picture Mode.

I think from what I read the specs even though on paper will match any current $500 market desktop, the PS4 is highly optimized for graphic computation. That in itself wont compare with the two side by side.


Doubtful.  It's not just the specs that compare; it's literally the exact same hardware.  It's an AMD Trinity chip with a few more GPU cores.
 
2013-03-05 06:11:19 PM  
My computer setup:
Black laptop
Power cord
Mouse
Lots of shame and self loathing
 
2013-03-05 06:11:38 PM  
I work for Intel, so I got a kick out of some of these replies.

/works on Ivy Bridge/Haswell manufacturing
 
2013-03-05 06:13:16 PM  

Mugato: Xcott: What I find amazing about this theory is how much sense it makes, and how easily people believe it, when all you have to do is think back 10 years to see why it's bogus. Every generation uses computers for something completely different, and far more compute-intensive.

Right but there has to be some diminishing returns limit at some point.


No, there doesn't.  There are physical reasons why we may have diminishing returns in computing capability, but there's no physical reason why we'll run out of things to do with that power, when it arrives.

Like what is the most intensive thing most non-gamers do with their machines? Download or stream movies I suppose. Your off the shelf PC can do that well. So what's next? What more is the average user going to do?

I don't want to sound snide, but this is the same question people asked in the early 1990s, and the mid 1980s.  If you think about it, I'm sure you can come up with a lot of next-generation uses for a tenfold increase in computer power.  Instead of watching video, for example, how about real-time video generation/rerendering, or analysis?  How about pressing a button to auto-translate a TV show to Portuguese, auto-dub the voices, and auto-lip-synch the speakers a la Star Trek?  How about moving from static video to interactive video, combining video textures with CGI and physical modeling?  How about a UI with a reliable natural speech interface, or a UI that performs constant behavioral analysis?

Even if you only ever want to do exactly what you do today, a tenfold speed increase will let a CPU achieve the same result in emulation, allowing added OS features like time reversal, or malware detection by analyzing all the system calls performed by the OS and application software.
 
2013-03-05 06:17:30 PM  

Slives: TuteTibiImperes: Makes sense to me.  I've had the same PC for going on five years now, and it's still plenty fast for what I do.  PC gamers are probably the most demanding of performance outside of professional users, and even for them it's more about the latest video card than the CPU.

Agreed. A fairly high end computer from 4-6 years ago is still a pretty decent system and runs most of what even the average gamer needs just fine. People are far more likely to replace components in a system rather than do a full upgrade.


It depends on what you're doing with the computer

content creation of some sort, ie 3d modeling, 3d  cad, cae, rendering whatever still probably needs to update every 2-3 or more frequently
 
2013-03-05 06:19:00 PM  

TelemonianAjax: Since I'm going from a single PC environment (tiny apartment) to 3 story house with 4 people living in it (and I want it to feel like the Enterprise D when you interact with the system), I'll be adding truly new machines, not just replacing existing ones, but those machines don't require any serious power. Just a gigabit network and loads of NAS space,


I like this concept. One central computer to handle all the heavy lifting, and a few terminals that aren't as "smart", where the end users interact with the system. It's brilliant, and forward-looking. (I actually do like your concept, BTW. Just being snarky about how the "outdated" dumb terminal model is starting to come back into vogue. A few years down the road, the concept of putting computing power back in the hands of the client will probably be the hot trend.)

Also, Subby here. Glad y'all seem to have found TFA interesting.
 
2013-03-05 06:19:36 PM  

jonny_q: whistleridge: Uh...I would call the Surface Pro many things, but "paradigm shattering" wouldn't be on the list. Ever.

I agree with you, but I recently saw the reddit thread where the dude from Penny Arcade reviewed one. You would be surprised how many people in that thread had no idea that the Surface Pro had a Wacom (or whatever) stylus input. Microsoft is doing a shiatty job marketing that thing when it could be seen as much more. They're advertising it like a more expensive alternative to an iPad, when in realize it's a less expensive / more capable alternative to a Macbook Air.


shiat, so it's cheaper then a cintiq

I really want one now
 
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