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(Opposing Views)   Driver who killed young New York couple on their way to hospital to deliver first child also killed 50 Cent   (opposingviews.com) divider line 83
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2013-03-05 11:16:26 AM  
encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2013-03-05 11:17:15 AM  
what a tragic way for a couple to was die
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-03-05 11:18:58 AM  
submitter fails at reading and at life.
 
2013-03-05 11:19:07 AM  
God sucks.
 
2013-03-05 11:19:14 AM  
THE COUPLE WAS DIED!?


The horror.
 
2013-03-05 11:19:36 AM  

d23: submitter fails at reading and at life.


No, you do.
 
2013-03-05 11:19:59 AM  
Was that written by a cat?
 
2013-03-05 11:20:12 AM  
He killed the kid too.

RIP.

Can we talk about privately owned vehicle control now?
 
2013-03-05 11:20:12 AM  

Mager:


Wtf? I spirit a chicken onto my cell phone.
 
2013-03-05 11:20:32 AM  
I don't get the subby headline.

Really sucks about the baby. I was hoping s/he would make it.

He should turn himself in before someone beats the snot out of him. Or maybe just after.
 
2013-03-05 11:20:55 AM  
That's some bad writing, Harry.
 
2013-03-05 11:21:06 AM  

OddLlama: Mager:

Wtf? I spirit a chicken onto my cell phone.


Sigh. Never mind.
 
2013-03-05 11:21:13 AM  

OddLlama: Mager:

Wtf? I spirit a chicken onto my cell phone.


wat!!!!!!
 
2013-03-05 11:21:49 AM  
I'm guessing there weren't a lot of seatbelts involved.
 
2013-03-05 11:21:50 AM  
Reading the headline I assumed that he killed 50 on some mixtape.
 
2013-03-05 11:22:23 AM  

OddLlama: Mager:

Wtf? I spirit a chicken onto my cell phone.


A poultrygeist?
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-03-05 11:23:03 AM  

trappedspirit: I'm guessing there weren't a lot of seatbelts involved.


about as many as combined IQ points.
 
2013-03-05 11:23:03 AM  
Kid was born and died, so definitely a triple homicide. Watch the fundies try to make this as a precedent for abortion laws.
 
2013-03-05 11:23:44 AM  

OddLlama: Mager:

Wtf? I spirit a chicken onto my cell phone.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-05 11:24:04 AM  

d23: submitter fails at reading and at life.


FTFA
Acevedo has already served time for fatally shooting Brooklyn thug, Kelvin Martin. Martin is the inspiration for rapper Curtis "50 Cent" Jackson's name, reports the <a data-cke-saved-href="<a href=" href="%3Ca%20href=" http:="" www.nypost.com="" p="" news="" local="" brooklyn="" demon_at_the_wheel_budifod9ainxog7l4gvlxh"="" target="_blank">NY Post.
 
2013-03-05 11:24:28 AM  
Another article, another critical omission...  I work at the only late term abortion clinic in New York.  These two were on the schedule for that morning, most likely en-route to the appointment when the crash occurred, killing the child.  Our clinic has contacted multiple news services, yet this critical detail never seems to make it into these stories.  I guess it doesn't fit the romantic narrative.

I don't want to get into the murky waters of whether or not the driver should be charged for three deaths or two.  My concern is that we were not paid for the scheduled procedure.  I believe that the driver of the vehicle is responsible for reimbursing us for the preempted abortion.  And believe me, to bend the rules enough to get it done at seven months is not cheap.  We need payment to meet our bottom line.  And from what I understand, the couple was having the abortion because they'd gotten into the timeshare market late and owed money out the kazoo.  They wanted rid of the recurring expense of raising the child, which makes sense considering the hit vacation markets have taken in the last five years.

I hope they find this guy and nail his ass to the wall so we can get our money.

Oh, and sad for the parents, a really sweet couple.  They seemed like they were on the verge of turning their debts into serious profits.  I guess we'll never know.
 
2013-03-05 11:24:55 AM  

Lady Indica: I don't get the subby headline.

Really sucks about the baby. I was hoping s/he would make it.

He should turn himself in before someone beats the snot out of him. Or maybe just after.


How about someone just beats him to death.
 
2013-03-05 11:25:59 AM  

Hagenhatesyouall: He killed the kid too.

RIP.

Can we talk about privately owned vehicle control now?


You need to take this more seriously.  It's not ALL cars that kill - it's obviously only BMW's.  You can't just willy nilly try to control it all when it's obviously the assault cars that kill people.
 
2013-03-05 11:26:58 AM  
someone named 'kelvin martin' was the inspiration for the name 'curtis "50 cent" Jackson' ??!!

I am sure in some universe that makes sense
 
2013-03-05 11:28:01 AM  
If I read that correctly, he had previously killed the guy who inspired 50 Cent's name. So he actually might be a tragic hero. Of course, if killing the thug caused 50 Cent to take his name, then he's history's greatest monster.
 
2013-03-05 11:29:48 AM  

spentmiles: Another article, another critical omission...  I work at the only late term abortion clinic in New York.  These two were on the schedule for that morning, most likely en-route to the appointment when the crash occurred, killing the child.  Our clinic has contacted multiple news services, yet this critical detail never seems to make it into these stories.  I guess it doesn't fit the romantic narrative.

I don't want to get into the murky waters of whether or not the driver should be charged for three deaths or two.  My concern is that we were not paid for the scheduled procedure. I believe that the driver of the vehicle is responsible for reimbursing us for the preempted abortion.  And believe me, to bend the rules enough to get it done at seven months is not cheap.  We need payment to meet our bottom line.  And from what I understand, the couple was having the abortion because they'd gotten into the timeshare market late and owed money out the kazoo.  They wanted rid of the recurring expense of raising the child, which makes sense considering the hit vacation markets have taken in the last five years.

I hope they find this guy and nail his ass to the wall so we can get our money.

Oh, and sad for the parents, a really sweet couple.  They seemed like they were on the verge of turning their debts into serious profits.  I guess we'll never know.


lol, I love that this is the direction you decided to go. Bolded the line where i lost it
 
2013-03-05 11:29:53 AM  

PC LOAD LETTER: Kid was born and died, so definitely a triple homicide. Watch the fundies try to make this as a precedent for abortion laws.


They won't use this case. The child survived the birth, was breathing outside the mother and died due to injuries unlawfully committed. Homicide. Very clear cut.

Some states have laws where if the fetus dies (does not have to be born alive) due to unlawful acts, it's still homicide.

Key word there 'unlawful' or other legal jargon that means the same shiat. Legal termination isn't unlawful.

Yet.

/prochoice as a motherfarker ;)
 
2013-03-05 11:29:59 AM  
Speeders suck.
 
2013-03-05 11:31:09 AM  

spentmiles: out the kazoo


www.kazoobie.com
 
2013-03-05 11:33:02 AM  

spentmiles: Another article, another critical omission... I work at the only late term abortion clinic in New York.


THIS is how it's done, kids.
 
2013-03-05 11:33:23 AM  

degenerate-afro: d23: submitter fails at reading and at life.

FTFA
Acevedo has already served time for fatally shooting Brooklyn thug, Kelvin Martin. Martin is the inspiration for rapper Curtis "50 Cent" Jackson's name, reports the <a data-cke-saved-href="<a href=" href="%3Ca%20href=" http:="" www.nypost.com="" p="" news="" local="" brooklyn="" demon_at_the_wheel_budifod9ainxog7l4gvlxh"="" target="_blank">NY Post.


Kelvin Martin aka 50 Cent (wiki)
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-03-05 11:36:20 AM  

Lady Indica: Key word there 'unlawful' or other legal jargon that means the same shiat. Legal termination isn't unlawful.

Yet.

/prochoice as a motherfarker ;)


[psychotroll on]

The baby was born, therefore doesn't have rights.  Who cares about non-fetal babies... we only care about the unborn!  The born are non-productive leeches on the government teet.

[/psychotroll]
 
2013-03-05 11:36:34 AM  

Matthew Keene: Lady Indica: I don't get the subby headline.

Really sucks about the baby. I was hoping s/he would make it.

He should turn himself in before someone beats the snot out of him. Or maybe just after.

How about someone just beats him to death.


That's too merciful. I'd like it if someone beat him just short enough of death so that he'd have to live the rest of his life as a vegetable. I'd support keeping him alive for centuries just so he'd be living an actual hell.
 
2013-03-05 11:36:45 AM  

Too Pretty For Prison: It's not ALL cars that kill - it's obviously only BMW's.


I can see their new ads now:

At BMW, we only know how to make one car...THE ULTIMATE KILLING MACHINE.
 
2013-03-05 11:37:58 AM  

spentmiles: Another article, another critical omission...  I work at the only late term abortion clinic in New York.  These two were on the schedule for that morning


Sure you are and sure they were
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-03-05 11:38:12 AM  

homelessdude: degenerate-afro: d23: submitter fails at reading and at life.

FTFA
Acevedo has already served time for fatally shooting Brooklyn thug, Kelvin Martin. Martin is the inspiration for rapper Curtis "50 Cent" Jackson's name, reports the <a data-cke-saved-href="<a href=" href="%3Ca%20href=" http:="" www.nypost.com="" p="" news="" local="" brooklyn="" demon_at_the_wheel_budifod9ainxog7l4gvlxh"="" target="_blank">NY Post.

Kelvin Martin aka 50 Cent (wiki)


The joke clearly caught me.  I thought it was saying he killed THE 50 Cent.  As I care about rappers only slightly more than belly button lint I didn't understand where the name came from.  Mea culpa...
 
2013-03-05 11:38:35 AM  

spentmiles: Another article, another critical omission...  I work at the only late term abortion clinic in New York.  These two were on the schedule for that morning, most likely en-route to the appointment when the crash occurred, killing the child.  Our clinic has contacted multiple news services, yet this critical detail never seems to make it into these stories.  I guess it doesn't fit the romantic narrative.

I don't want to get into the murky waters of whether or not the driver should be charged for three deaths or two.  My concern is that we were not paid for the scheduled procedure.  I believe that the driver of the vehicle is responsible for reimbursing us for the preempted abortion.  And believe me, to bend the rules enough to get it done at seven months is not cheap.  We need payment to meet our bottom line.  And from what I understand, the couple was having the abortion because they'd gotten into the timeshare market late and owed money out the kazoo.  They wanted rid of the recurring expense of raising the child, which makes sense considering the hit vacation markets have taken in the last five years.

I hope they find this guy and nail his ass to the wall so we can get our money.

Oh, and sad for the parents, a really sweet couple.  They seemed like they were on the verge of turning their debts into serious profits.  I guess we'll never know.


Once again, spentmiles kills it. LAUGHTER OL.
 
2013-03-05 11:40:20 AM  
So I'm thinking we could all agree that if this person were wiped from existence the world would be a better place?  This young couple would probably have made it to the hospital just fine, and they and their baby would still be alive.  And as an added bonus "Fitty" would have never gotten any street cred and therefore would have never become a famous terrible rapper.  We would even have been spared that horrible masturbatory video game he had made.  Or would we have a "Red Alert" situation, the couple gets killed by somebody else, and we get a Richard Simmons game as punishment for trying to defy fate?
 
2013-03-05 11:44:55 AM  

Arumat: So I'm thinking we could all agree that if this person were wiped from existence the world would be a better place?  This young couple would probably have made it to the hospital just fine, and they and their baby would still be alive.  And as an added bonus "Fitty" would have never gotten any street cred and therefore would have never become a famous terrible rapper.  We would even have been spared that horrible masturbatory video game he had made.  Or would we have a "Red Alert" situation, the couple gets killed by somebody else, and we get a Richard Simmons game as punishment for trying to defy fate?


If agreement was all it took, I have a long farking list.
 
2013-03-05 11:46:49 AM  

d23: homelessdude: degenerate-afro: d23: submitter fails at reading and at life.

FTFA
Acevedo has already served time for fatally shooting Brooklyn thug, Kelvin Martin. Martin is the inspiration for rapper Curtis "50 Cent" Jackson's name, reports the <a data-cke-saved-href="<a href=" href="%3Ca%20href=" http:="" www.nypost.com="" p="" news="" local="" brooklyn="" demon_at_the_wheel_budifod9ainxog7l4gvlxh"="" target="_blank">NY Post.

Kelvin Martin aka 50 Cent (wiki)

The joke clearly caught me.  I thought it was saying he killed THE 50 Cent.  As I care about rappers only slightly more than belly button lint I didn't understand where the name came from.  Mea culpa...


heh....i did a double take too. I had forgotten about the original 50c.
 
2013-03-05 11:50:44 AM  
Oh, great! Now the Hassidim and the Puerto Ricans have to rumble in the streets.  East Side, West Side, all around the town. Possibly with fey choreography and (feh!) singing.

And they're calling for charges of triple homicide, which means the pro- and anti-abortion gangs will be dragged into the general mayhem. It's Involuntary Abortion! the Musical. Everybody come out and plaaaaaaaay!

I bid two manslaughters and criminal negligence causing the death of a late-term fetus. Negligent homicides, yes, but not murder. Murder involves intent, and can only be committed against a flesh-and-blood person. That's my best offer.

Fur is not murder. Animals are not persons.

Abortion is not murder. Fetuses are not fully human persons until they are.

Kicking a dead horse is not murder. Murder involves the immoral or unlawful killing of a person who is also a human being. (Corporations can not be murdered. They have no bodies to be tortured, and no souls to be damned, as the XVth century English jurist ruled. They are only fictitious persons, legal persons, not real flesh-and-blood persons.

A fetus may be human flesh and eventually it may have its own blood rather than feeding directly off the blood of its mother vessel thingie (who, as a female, may or may not have a soul according to some religions), but it is not a person until it has a farking mind, feelings, and possibly whatever the Hell this soul thing is. Nobody knows about the soul. Even Ecclesiastes views the question as moot. Except Muslims, who claim it enters the fetus on Day 42 of Gestation, apparently, or so I am told. Have your religious lawyers meet their religious lawyers and maybe you can settle the theology to your mutual satisfaction, but I don't count theology towards civil law.

Murder is the intentional and unlawful killing of a human being who is a person. I am willing to admit some grey area where the fetus is so late term it is viable outside the womb without massive life support.

When non-flesh and blood persons such as androids and sentient aliens and sentient GM organisms are discovered or created, I am willing to extend the definition of murder to include them, but not a ball of eight cells smaller than the period at the end of this sentence.
 
2013-03-05 11:54:43 AM  

spentmiles: Another article, another critical omission...  I work at the only late term abortion clinic in New York.  These two were on the schedule for that morning, most likely en-route to the appointment when the crash occurred, killing the child.  Our clinic has contacted multiple news services, yet this critical detail never seems to make it into these stories.  I guess it doesn't fit the romantic narrative.

I don't want to get into the murky waters of whether or not the driver should be charged for three deaths or two.  My concern is that we were not paid for the scheduled procedure.  I believe that the driver of the vehicle is responsible for reimbursing us for the preempted abortion.  And believe me, to bend the rules enough to get it done at seven months is not cheap.  We need payment to meet our bottom line.  And from what I understand, the couple was having the abortion because they'd gotten into the timeshare market late and owed money out the kazoo.  They wanted rid of the recurring expense of raising the child, which makes sense considering the hit vacation markets have taken in the last five years.

I hope they find this guy and nail his ass to the wall so we can get our money.

Oh, and sad for the parents, a really sweet couple.  They seemed like they were on the verge of turning their debts into serious profits.  I guess we'll never know.


Don't be saying stuff like this, man.  The anti abortion people will latch on to this and be hailing the guy as a hero bent on preventing an abortion.
 
2013-03-05 11:56:32 AM  

Hagenhatesyouall: Can we talk about privately owned vehicle control now?


I agree. Is there some reason why all vehicles aren't registered with the government if they are to be operated in public? Also, we should make everybody take a test -- no, wait, two tests, both a theoretical exam and a practical exam -- before they can be given a government issued license to operate a properly registered vehicle. If they misuse their rights, the license should be easily and quickly revocable as well.
 
2013-03-05 11:56:54 AM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: spentmiles: Another article, another critical omission... I work at the only late term abortion clinic in New York.

THIS is how it's done, kids.


A#1 All American!!
 
2013-03-05 11:56:57 AM  

spentmiles: Another article, another critical omission...  I work at the only late term abortion clinic in New York.  These two were on the schedule for that morning, most likely en-route to the appointment when the crash occurred, killing the child.  Our clinic has contacted multiple news services, yet this critical detail never seems to make it into these stories.  I guess it doesn't fit the romantic narrative.

I don't want to get into the murky waters of whether or not the driver should be charged for three deaths or two.  My concern is that we were not paid for the scheduled procedure.  I believe that the driver of the vehicle is responsible for reimbursing us for the preempted abortion.  And believe me, to bend the rules enough to get it done at seven months is not cheap.  We need payment to meet our bottom line.  And from what I understand, the couple was having the abortion because they'd gotten into the timeshare market late and owed money out the kazoo.  They wanted rid of the recurring expense of raising the child, which makes sense considering the hit vacation markets have taken in the last five years.

I hope they find this guy and nail his ass to the wall so we can get our money.

Oh, and sad for the parents, a really sweet couple.  They seemed like they were on the verge of turning their debts into serious profits.  I guess we'll never know.


You have topped yourself!
 
2013-03-05 12:01:21 PM  

brantgoose: Oh, great! Now the Hassidim and the Puerto Ricans have to rumble in the streets.  East Side, West Side, all around the town. Possibly with fey choreography and (feh!) singing.

And they're calling for charges of triple homicide, which means the pro- and anti-abortion gangs will be dragged into the general mayhem. It's Involuntary Abortion! the Musical. Everybody come out and plaaaaaaaay!

I bid two manslaughters and criminal negligence causing the death of a late-term fetus. Negligent homicides, yes, but not murder. Murder involves intent, and can only be committed against a flesh-and-blood person. That's my best offer.

Fur is not murder. Animals are not persons.

Abortion is not murder. Fetuses are not fully human persons until they are.

Kicking a dead horse is not murder. Murder involves the immoral or unlawful killing of a person who is also a human being. (Corporations can not be murdered. They have no bodies to be tortured, and no souls to be damned, as the XVth century English jurist ruled. They are only fictitious persons, legal persons, not real flesh-and-blood persons.

A fetus may be human flesh and eventually it may have its own blood rather than feeding directly off the blood of its mother vessel thingie (who, as a female, may or may not have a soul according to some religions), but it is not a person until it has a farking mind, feelings, and possibly whatever the Hell this soul thing is. Nobody knows about the soul. Even Ecclesiastes views the question as moot. Except Muslims, who claim it enters the fetus on Day 42 of Gestation, apparently, or so I am told. Have your religious lawyers meet their religious lawyers and maybe you can settle the theology to your mutual satisfaction, but I don't count theology towards civil law.

Murder is the intentional and unlawful killing of a human being who is a person. I am willing to admit some grey area where the fetus is so late term it is viable outside the womb without massive life support.

When non-flesh an ...


And if it was 8 cells, I'd agree with you.  Heartbeat at 8 weeks.  This was 7 months.  You can rip it out at that point and it will probably survive on its own.  Fetus vs. citizen at that point is the difference of a 1/4 inch of tissue.  They also fight back or try to escape when you poke at them at that point.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-03-05 12:01:41 PM  

brantgoose: Abortion is not murder. Fetuses are not fully human persons until they are.


Life beginning at conception is a very logically precarious position.  For instance, only 1/4 of conceptions make it to full term.  The spontaneously aborts 3/4 of conceptions because of problems.   (This is what I remember from honors genetics in college)

So if you believe in the soul at conception jazz then God throws away 3/4 of human beings naturally??  If you go in another direction and say that God knows and those "babies" don't have souls, then God can't know which babies are aborted.

Furthermore I've never seen any real levelheaded debate about this.  Bring it up to a pro-lifer and he/she will simply blow up at you because it breaks their belief system.
 
2013-03-05 12:04:37 PM  

spentmiles: Another article, another critical omission...  I work at the only late term abortion clinic in New York.  These two were on the schedule for that morning, most likely en-route to the appointment when the crash occurred, killing the child.  Our clinic has contacted multiple news services, yet this critical detail never seems to make it into these stories.  I guess it doesn't fit the romantic narrative.

I don't want to get into the murky waters of whether or not the driver should be charged for three deaths or two.  My concern is that we were not paid for the scheduled procedure.  I believe that the driver of the vehicle is responsible for reimbursing us for the preempted abortion.  And believe me, to bend the rules enough to get it done at seven months is not cheap.  We need payment to meet our bottom line.  And from what I understand, the couple was having the abortion because they'd gotten into the timeshare market late and owed money out the kazoo.  They wanted rid of the recurring expense of raising the child, which makes sense considering the hit vacation markets have taken in the last five years.

I hope they find this guy and nail his ass to the wall so we can get our money.

Oh, and sad for the parents, a really sweet couple.  They seemed like they were on the verge of turning their debts into serious profits.  I guess we'll never know.


I give it 4/10... nicely entertaining, but too over the top to get any bites.
 
2013-03-05 12:07:09 PM  

brantgoose: Oh, great! Now the Hassidim and the Puerto Ricans have to rumble in the streets.  East Side, West Side, all around the town. Possibly with fey choreography and (feh!) singing.

And they're calling for charges of triple homicide, which means the pro- and anti-abortion gangs will be dragged into the general mayhem. It's Involuntary Abortion! the Musical. Everybody come out and plaaaaaaaay!

I bid two manslaughters and criminal negligence causing the death of a late-term fetus. Negligent homicides, yes, but not murder. Murder involves intent, and can only be committed against a flesh-and-blood person. That's my best offer.

Fur is not murder. Animals are not persons.

Abortion is not murder. Fetuses are not fully human persons until they are.

Kicking a dead horse is not murder. Murder involves the immoral or unlawful killing of a person who is also a human being. (Corporations can not be murdered. They have no bodies to be tortured, and no souls to be damned, as the XVth century English jurist ruled. They are only fictitious persons, legal persons, not real flesh-and-blood persons.

A fetus may be human flesh and eventually it may have its own blood rather than feeding directly off the blood of its mother vessel thingie (who, as a female, may or may not have a soul according to some religions), but it is not a person until it has a farking mind, feelings, and possibly whatever the Hell this soul thing is. Nobody knows about the soul. Even Ecclesiastes views the question as moot. Except Muslims, who claim it enters the fetus on Day 42 of Gestation, apparently, or so I am told. Have your religious lawyers meet their religious lawyers and maybe you can settle the theology to your mutual satisfaction, but I don't count theology towards civil law.

Murder is the intentional and unlawful killing of a human being who is a person. I am willing to admit some grey area where the fetus is so late term it is viable outside the womb without massive life support.

When non-flesh an ...


As long as we start cutting thieves hands off I am fine with the whole narrative of " non-sentient clumps of unviable cells which cannot live separate from a host body do not matter enough to be considered important anyway"

A pr5actice is only barbaric if it serves no good purpose.
 
2013-03-05 12:08:41 PM  

Donnchadha: Hagenhatesyouall: Can we talk about privately owned vehicle control now?

I agree. Is there some reason why all vehicles aren't registered with the government if they are to be operated in public? Also, we should make everybody take a test -- no, wait, two tests, both a theoretical exam and a practical exam -- before they can be given a government issued license to operate a properly registered vehicle. If they misuse their rights, the license should be easily and quickly revocable as well.


Yet somehow this happened anyway, sounds like it wasn't enough.
 
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