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(Abilene Reporter-News)   Hey, Abby - I can't figure this one out. Should I take my young children over to my alcoholic, belligerent gun nut father-in-law who keeps loaded guns everywhere and fires them off in the house?   (reporternews.com) divider line 23
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2013-03-05 12:04:38 PM  
3 votes:

dittybopper


This is actually wrong:

who seem to have never learned that a bullet fired into the air must fall down somewhere and could kill or injure someone.

You could fire a shotgun up in the air with small shot and the worse thing that might happen is someone might get one in their eye if they happen to be looking straight up.


I've highlighted some key words for you, and assume you must have misread because you probably know what's what.

Also, there is a difference between a bullet fired straight up (that tumbles on the way down) and one fired at a 45-degree angle that maintains its spin and follows a path that looks like the St. Louis arch. Both are fired "into the air" but the results can vary widely.
2013-03-05 11:37:14 AM  
3 votes:
"Earl," is an alcoholic and an avid gun enthusiast. He owns many weapons; I don't know the exact number. He has been accumulating ammunition at an accelerated rate because he's afraid that large clips will soon be banned. He drinks to excess and becomes belligerent and angry when drunk.

tea party patriot?
2013-03-05 11:31:24 AM  
3 votes:

Walker: Sounds good made up to me.


FTFY
2013-03-05 12:45:58 PM  
2 votes:
i20.photobucket.com
2013-03-05 12:18:22 PM  
2 votes:
as an alcoholic gun nut who keeps loaded guns in various places, i now see why the nieces and nephews don't so much stay with me.  i'm ok with this arrangement.
2013-03-05 12:11:17 PM  
2 votes:
"Just tell your kids to distract their grandpa by asking to play his classic hit 'Cat Scratch Fever.'"
2013-03-05 12:05:12 PM  
2 votes:
Forget about your kids - what about your own safety? If I'm uncomfortable subjecting my kids to that environment, I'm not going to want to stay there myself.
2013-03-05 11:01:20 AM  
2 votes:
If you see Dear Abby, aim for the head
2013-03-05 05:29:38 PM  
1 votes:
If the guy is an alcoholic keep the kids away from him , guns or no guns.
2013-03-05 03:16:36 PM  
1 votes:

durbnpoisn: jaylectricity: dittybopper: This is actually wrong:

 who seem to have never learned that a bullet fired into the air must fall down somewhere and could kill or injure someone.

You could fire a shotgun up in the air with small shot and the worse thing that might happen is someone might get one in their eye if they happen to be looking straight up.

Wrong, I watched 1000 Ways to Die and a bullet went up in the air and killed somebody on the way down. It was on TruTV, so you know...

Mythbusters busted that idea.  They measured the speed at which a bullet falls, and it's not moving fast enough to kill.  Then they tested it on a pig's head.  Didn't go through the skull.  Didn't even make a dent.


That was for a bullet fired straight up. Fire one at an angle and very bad things can happen.
2013-03-05 03:09:14 PM  
1 votes:

dittybopper: CheekyMonkey: dittybopper: This is actually wrong:

 who seem to have never learned that a bullet fired into the air must fall down somewhere and could kill or injure someone.

You could fire a shotgun up in the air with small shot and the worse thing that might happen is someone might get one in their eye if they happen to be looking straight up.

Re-read what you quoted. Abby didn't say "birdshot fired into the air" she said "bullet".

The woman said "Gun", she didn't say what kind, and in fact, she probably doesn't know the difference:

Last summer, during one of his moments of inebriation, he shot a gun into the air as a "surprise" to the eight family members who were sitting within two to 10 feet of him.

We don't know if it was a blank, or if it was a shotgun (see my point about small shot coming back down not posing a serious danger upthread), or indeed if the guy lives in the middle of nowhere where firing a gun "into the air" might be a reasonably safe in one or more direction.

For example, at the club I am a member of, there is a skeet range.  Less than 550 yards from the firing line of that skeet range, and in the line of fire, there is a farm house.   The actual farm fields are about 300 yards away from the firing line, yet this is a safe arrangement because small shot loses velocity fast due to air resistance.

I don't take ballistics advice from Dear Abby.  I know more about the subject that she does, and quite likely probably more than you:  Quick, without Googling, what is the formula to figure muzzle energy in foot-pounds?  What is "Journee's Rule"?   What do you need to calculate the spin of a bullet in rpms?  What is the Greenhill formula and why is it important?

I still contend that it's a fake letter.  Why?  Because of the following:

He has been accumulating ammunition at an accelerated rate because he's afraid that large clips will soon be banned.

Then he should be purchasing "large clips" (I'm assuming that means standard capacity magazine ...


My contention is not whether you know more or less than I about ballistics (physics, really), or whether the letter is fake (I'm OK with assuming that ALL letters to ALL advice columnists are fake), but rather that you are quoting Abby's comment about a bullet being fired into the air being dangerous when it returns to earth, and responding with an example of bird shot.

The slug from a bullet and bird shot are very different things.  Frictional losses due to air resistance will definitely render bird shot fired into the air harmless by the time it falls to earth, whereas the same cannot be said for a bullet (of unknown caliber and grain).

Further, your post quoted Abby's comment about a bullet fired into the air, but then your reply states that you were responding to the "fired a gun" part of the original (unquoted) request for advice.  Why bother quoting anything, if that's not what you're referencing?  It's misleading at best.

Normally, I have quite a bit of respect for you and what you post.  This is not one of those times.
2013-03-05 01:53:26 PM  
1 votes:
I for one am shocked, SHOCKED, that this story brought the derp out.

Why are you 'responsible gun owners' defending a guy who is clearly irresponsible and thinks it is wimpy to follow the rules that the gun defenders say make guns safe? This guy is a mean drunk who fires his guns around other people for fun and leaves them around for kids to find.
2013-03-05 01:39:55 PM  
1 votes:

durbnpoisn: Mythbusters busted that idea.  They measured the speed at which a bullet falls, and it's not moving fast enough to kill.  Then they tested it on a pig's head.  Didn't go through the skull.  Didn't even make a dent.



I'm sure this girl's parents will be glad to know that their kid really wasn't killed by the bullet that went in through the top of her head and lodged in her brain stem.

/I know one of the detectives who is investigating this, he says there were so many people in the area firing their guns that night that it's impossible to tell who was responsible for this specific bullet.
2013-03-05 01:38:22 PM  
1 votes:
Dear Abby (Brenda from accounting),

Here's today's completely fake question.  Could you have your pet turtle write up some good advice again this week?

TIA,
George

----

Those couple paragraphs was like a Jerry Springer episode 'for dummies'.
2013-03-05 01:32:40 PM  
1 votes:
I forgot to mention..  As part of this biatch woman's diatribe...

FTA:  He has been accumulating ammunition at an accelerated rate because he's afraid that large clips will soon be banned.

Two points here...
1. Where is he buying AMMO, I can't find anywhere!!!
2. Why would someone buy AMMUNITION if mags are being banned.  Wouldn't you acquire clips/mags?  What do these two have to do with each other, other than you trying to paint him as a lunatic.

He drinks to excess and becomes belligerent and angry when drunk.

I would too if I had a biatch-pussy for a son and a harpy daughter in law.
2013-03-05 01:02:17 PM  
1 votes:
1. It does not say he was in the house when he fired the gun.  In fact, "firing into the air" is completely contradictory to "firing inside of a house".

2. A bullet fired into the air CAN kill someone on the way down.

3. FTA: "Last summer, during one of his moments of inebriation" - I thought he was an alcoholic...  Alcoholics don't have moments of inebriation, they have moments of sobriety.  Oh, I'm sorry, what you meant was, he drinks more than YOU, so therefore he has a crippling disease in which he absolutely has to be drunk at all times and cannot stand even a whiff of alcohol without trembling.  Go to an AA meeting lady, and see what REAL alcoholism is...

4. FTA: "When my husband and I travel with our children, ages 7, 5 and 4, to visit his family, we stay in Earl's home. I feel the combination of alcohol and loaded, unsecure guns is not safe for my children." - So stay in a hotel you cheap quim.  Your children's lives are important enough to whine about online, and want someone else's lifestyle to change, but not important enough to spend 50 bucks a night to stay in a hotel...

5. FTA: "I do want my children to have a relationship with their grandfather. "  - But, only on your terms... I can only imagine what kind of ace-of-biatches wife you must be...  You don't want a family you want trained pets.
2013-03-05 01:01:15 PM  
1 votes:

dittybopper: This is actually wrong:

 who seem to have never learned that a bullet fired into the air must fall down somewhere and could kill or injure someone.

You could fire a shotgun up in the air with small shot and the worse thing that might happen is someone might get one in their eye if they happen to be looking straight up.


Re-read what you quoted. Abby didn't say "birdshot fired into the air" she said "bullet".
2013-03-05 12:21:25 PM  
1 votes:
homerize.com
2013-03-05 12:18:18 PM  
1 votes:

dotvincent: Oh, puleeze.  All you've got to do is teach your child how to be responsible around guns.  A child taught from an early age to be responsible will never do something stupid with a weapon.


Although I agree with you to a certain extent; the problem lies with children not being responsible at an early age. The things you teach them when they are young, hopefully will manifest within them later on in life. But kids being kids, will tend to do stupid stuff.
Responsible adults will keep dangerous items out of the reach of children.
2013-03-05 12:16:40 PM  
1 votes:
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2013-03-05 12:14:45 PM  
1 votes:
I would be worried about the hearing loss of my kids, has anyone here ever been inside a house when someone fires a 12 ga.? It is deafening.
2013-03-05 12:14:20 PM  
1 votes:

The My Little Pony Killer: dotvincent: Oh, puleeze.  All you've got to do is teach your child how to be responsible around guns.  A child taught from an early age to be responsible will never do something stupid with a weapon.

Or even just teach them not to mess with other people's belongings while in their homes.


This also works with diet. Calmly explaining to them how a diet high in sugar is bad for them will ensure they keep away from sweets and stick with vegetables and complex carbohydrates.
2013-03-05 11:46:58 AM  
1 votes:
What did you expect when you married into the Stereotype Family?
 
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