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(Abilene Reporter-News)   Hey, Abby - I can't figure this one out. Should I take my young children over to my alcoholic, belligerent gun nut father-in-law who keeps loaded guns everywhere and fires them off in the house?   (reporternews.com) divider line 93
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2013-03-05 12:50:30 PM
At least they ain't gun-shaped pastries, AMIRITE PEEPZ???!
 
2013-03-05 12:51:32 PM

jaylectricity: dittybopper: This is actually wrong:

 who seem to have never learned that a bullet fired into the air must fall down somewhere and could kill or injure someone.

You could fire a shotgun up in the air with small shot and the worse thing that might happen is someone might get one in their eye if they happen to be looking straight up.

Wrong, I watched 1000 Ways to Die and a bullet went up in the air and killed somebody on the way down. It was on TruTV, so you know...


Mythbusters busted that idea.  They measured the speed at which a bullet falls, and it's not moving fast enough to kill.  Then they tested it on a pig's head.  Didn't go through the skull.  Didn't even make a dent.
 
2013-03-05 12:52:43 PM

QuietMan: [thepeoplescube.com image 180x260]


Why would anyone ASPIRE to be a redneck, or to have rednecks as friends? I mean, i know some people like to have inferior specimens as friends because it makes them look good, is that it?
 
2013-03-05 12:55:25 PM
Letter #2:My husband and I are expecting our first child (a boy) later this year. How do I teach my son to enjoy solitude and his own company? Too many people today turn on the radio or TV because they can't appreciate the quiet.

Glad to see I'm not alone in this thinking. My friends are raising their children on TV and they are the brattiest, whiniest beings on earth with 0.000001% of an attention span. I hate being that self righteous prick but I grew up fairly isolated with very little TV at a young age and took to hiking and reading early in life. I'm sure there's nothing wrong with a little TV or time on the computer (BS letter is BS referencing the radio) but I think it would be good to raise children that don't need constant digital stimulation. TV has become to convenient as a 24/7 babysitter.


Dadoody: [i20.photobucket.com image 413x550]


Your contribution to this thread has been greatly appreciated.
 
2013-03-05 12:58:54 PM
Screw you guys. I have a battle axe.

/Made a robber piss himself while I chased him with my axe raised above my head.
//I'm sure the neighbors thought that was an odd thing to see in the metro Detroit area.
///Shouting "Ima kill you!" might have helped, too.
 
2013-03-05 01:00:02 PM

Skyd1v: WillyChase: I would be worried about the hearing loss of my kids, has anyone here ever been inside a house when someone fires a 12 ga.? It is deafening.

My dad was sitting in the cab of a pickup truck when the idiot driving decided to take a shot at a goose with a 12 gauge.

/permanent hearing impairment


A Buddy, back in high school, stalked his buck by slowly driving his truck along the back road until he was alongside one grazing in the ditch.
Fired his deer rifle out the open passenger side window from the drivers seat.
Got the buck, but you still have to speak up when you talk to him.
 
2013-03-05 01:00:16 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: The My Little Pony Killer: dotvincent: Oh, puleeze.  All you've got to do is teach your child how to be responsible around guns.  A child taught from an early age to be responsible will never do something stupid with a weapon.

Or even just teach them not to mess with other people's belongings while in their homes.

This also works with diet. Calmly explaining to them how a diet high in sugar is bad for them will ensure they keep away from sweets and stick with vegetables and complex carbohydrates.


Nothing can go wrong here.
 
2013-03-05 01:01:15 PM

dittybopper: This is actually wrong:

 who seem to have never learned that a bullet fired into the air must fall down somewhere and could kill or injure someone.

You could fire a shotgun up in the air with small shot and the worse thing that might happen is someone might get one in their eye if they happen to be looking straight up.


Re-read what you quoted. Abby didn't say "birdshot fired into the air" she said "bullet".
 
2013-03-05 01:01:17 PM
Darwin would be pleased
 
2013-03-05 01:02:17 PM
1. It does not say he was in the house when he fired the gun.  In fact, "firing into the air" is completely contradictory to "firing inside of a house".

2. A bullet fired into the air CAN kill someone on the way down.

3. FTA: "Last summer, during one of his moments of inebriation" - I thought he was an alcoholic...  Alcoholics don't have moments of inebriation, they have moments of sobriety.  Oh, I'm sorry, what you meant was, he drinks more than YOU, so therefore he has a crippling disease in which he absolutely has to be drunk at all times and cannot stand even a whiff of alcohol without trembling.  Go to an AA meeting lady, and see what REAL alcoholism is...

4. FTA: "When my husband and I travel with our children, ages 7, 5 and 4, to visit his family, we stay in Earl's home. I feel the combination of alcohol and loaded, unsecure guns is not safe for my children." - So stay in a hotel you cheap quim.  Your children's lives are important enough to whine about online, and want someone else's lifestyle to change, but not important enough to spend 50 bucks a night to stay in a hotel...

5. FTA: "I do want my children to have a relationship with their grandfather. "  - But, only on your terms... I can only imagine what kind of ace-of-biatches wife you must be...  You don't want a family you want trained pets.
 
2013-03-05 01:02:49 PM

QuietMan: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 850x1133]


Legos are a gateway weapon. Ban Legos!
 
2013-03-05 01:08:15 PM
Dadoody:

i47.tinypic.com

That blonde is clearly irresponsible, as she has her pair of 40s pointed right at the brunette.
 
2013-03-05 01:15:26 PM

durbnpoisn: jaylectricity: dittybopper: This is actually wrong:

 who seem to have never learned that a bullet fired into the air must fall down somewhere and could kill or injure someone.

You could fire a shotgun up in the air with small shot and the worse thing that might happen is someone might get one in their eye if they happen to be looking straight up.

Wrong, I watched 1000 Ways to Die and a bullet went up in the air and killed somebody on the way down. It was on TruTV, so you know...

Mythbusters busted that idea.  They measured the speed at which a bullet falls, and it's not moving fast enough to kill.  Then they tested it on a pig's head.  Didn't go through the skull.  Didn't even make a dent.


Well, if it were a spherical bullet in a vacuum....
 
2013-03-05 01:32:40 PM
I forgot to mention..  As part of this biatch woman's diatribe...

FTA:  He has been accumulating ammunition at an accelerated rate because he's afraid that large clips will soon be banned.

Two points here...
1. Where is he buying AMMO, I can't find anywhere!!!
2. Why would someone buy AMMUNITION if mags are being banned.  Wouldn't you acquire clips/mags?  What do these two have to do with each other, other than you trying to paint him as a lunatic.

He drinks to excess and becomes belligerent and angry when drunk.

I would too if I had a biatch-pussy for a son and a harpy daughter in law.
 
2013-03-05 01:38:22 PM
Dear Abby (Brenda from accounting),

Here's today's completely fake question.  Could you have your pet turtle write up some good advice again this week?

TIA,
George

----

Those couple paragraphs was like a Jerry Springer episode 'for dummies'.
 
2013-03-05 01:39:55 PM

durbnpoisn: Mythbusters busted that idea.  They measured the speed at which a bullet falls, and it's not moving fast enough to kill.  Then they tested it on a pig's head.  Didn't go through the skull.  Didn't even make a dent.



I'm sure this girl's parents will be glad to know that their kid really wasn't killed by the bullet that went in through the top of her head and lodged in her brain stem.

/I know one of the detectives who is investigating this, he says there were so many people in the area firing their guns that night that it's impossible to tell who was responsible for this specific bullet.
 
2013-03-05 01:44:11 PM

IRQ12: Dear Abby (Brenda from accounting),

Here's today's completely fake question.  Could you have your pet turtle write up some good advice again this week?

TIA,
George


www.maniacworld.com
 
2013-03-05 01:49:04 PM

the ha ha guy: durbnpoisn: Mythbusters busted that idea.  They measured the speed at which a bullet falls, and it's not moving fast enough to kill.  Then they tested it on a pig's head.  Didn't go through the skull.  Didn't even make a dent.


I'm sure this girl's parents will be glad to know that their kid really wasn't killed by the bullet that went in through the top of her head and lodged in her brain stem.

/I know one of the detectives who is investigating this, he says there were so many people in the area firing their guns that night that it's impossible to tell who was responsible for this specific bullet.


So charge each of them with conspiracy to commit murder
 
2013-03-05 01:53:26 PM
I for one am shocked, SHOCKED, that this story brought the derp out.

Why are you 'responsible gun owners' defending a guy who is clearly irresponsible and thinks it is wimpy to follow the rules that the gun defenders say make guns safe? This guy is a mean drunk who fires his guns around other people for fun and leaves them around for kids to find.
 
2013-03-05 01:59:01 PM

ElFugawz: I for one am derped, DERPED, that this derp brought the derp out.

Why are you 'derpers' derping a derp who is derpely derpsponsible and derps it is derpy to derp the derps that the derp derpders say make derps derp? This derp is a derp

  derp  who derps his derps around other derple for derp and derpes them around for derps to derp.
 
2013-03-05 02:01:51 PM
Abe Vigoda's Ghost: "That blonde is clearly irresponsible, as she has her pair of 40s pointed right at the brunette. "

It's only irresponsible if she doesn't intend to use them...

/ brown chicken brown cow
 
2013-03-05 02:06:52 PM

CheekyMonkey: dittybopper: This is actually wrong:

 who seem to have never learned that a bullet fired into the air must fall down somewhere and could kill or injure someone.

You could fire a shotgun up in the air with small shot and the worse thing that might happen is someone might get one in their eye if they happen to be looking straight up.

Re-read what you quoted. Abby didn't say "birdshot fired into the air" she said "bullet".


The woman said "Gun", she didn't say what kind, and in fact, she probably doesn't know the difference:

Last summer, during one of his moments of inebriation, he shot a gun into the air as a "surprise" to the eight family members who were sitting within two to 10 feet of him.

We don't know if it was a blank, or if it was a shotgun (see my point about small shot coming back down not posing a serious danger upthread), or indeed if the guy lives in the middle of nowhere where firing a gun "into the air" might be a reasonably safe in one or more direction.

For example, at the club I am a member of, there is a skeet range.  Less than 550 yards from the firing line of that skeet range, and in the line of fire, there is a farm house.   The actual farm fields are about 300 yards away from the firing line, yet this is a safe arrangement because small shot loses velocity fast due to air resistance.

I don't take ballistics advice from Dear Abby.  I know more about the subject that she does, and quite likely probably more than you:  Quick, without Googling, what is the formula to figure muzzle energy in foot-pounds?  What is "Journee's Rule"?   What do you need to calculate the spin of a bullet in rpms?  What is the Greenhill formula and why is it important?

I still contend that it's a fake letter.  Why?  Because of the following:

He has been accumulating ammunition at an accelerated rate because he's afraid that large clips will soon be banned.

Then he should be purchasing "large clips" (I'm assuming that means standard capacity magazines).   A gun owner would know that.  Plus, the amount of ammunition is irrelevant from a safety standpoint:  So long as he has enough to actually shoot the guns, it doesn't matter if it's 5 rounds or 5,000.

However, to someone who wants to use all the right buzzwords to make an anti-gun point, that's phrasing is a distinct possibility.

Of course, it could also be a completely legit letter from a concerned mom who thinks the barrel shroud is the "shoulder thing that goes up".
 
2013-03-05 02:26:16 PM

the ha ha guy: durbnpoisn: Mythbusters busted that idea.  They measured the speed at which a bullet falls, and it's not moving fast enough to kill.  Then they tested it on a pig's head.  Didn't go through the skull.  Didn't even make a dent.


I'm sure this girl's parents will be glad to know that their kid really wasn't killed by the bullet that went in through the top of her head and lodged in her brain stem.

/I know one of the detectives who is investigating this, he says there were so many people in the area firing their guns that night that it's impossible to tell who was responsible for this specific bullet.


I read that article, and it was pretty damned light on the specifics, but this is scary:

Neighbors told 11 News that authorities have even confiscated some guns.

Given that even a handgun bullet could travel over a mile if fired at the right angle, there is essentially no real way to know with any certainty where the bullet came from, other than "It came from that general direction, based upon how she was standing when she was hit".

So going around and confiscating the guns of neighbors sounds a bit, erm, optimistic.
 
2013-03-05 02:37:24 PM
Pretty sure "gun shy in South Carolina" is my sister in law
 
2013-03-05 02:43:11 PM
Of course she should - it will increase the chances that her children are killed, thus ending the genetic line of a person stupid enough to ask that question.
 
2013-03-05 03:09:14 PM

dittybopper: CheekyMonkey: dittybopper: This is actually wrong:

 who seem to have never learned that a bullet fired into the air must fall down somewhere and could kill or injure someone.

You could fire a shotgun up in the air with small shot and the worse thing that might happen is someone might get one in their eye if they happen to be looking straight up.

Re-read what you quoted. Abby didn't say "birdshot fired into the air" she said "bullet".

The woman said "Gun", she didn't say what kind, and in fact, she probably doesn't know the difference:

Last summer, during one of his moments of inebriation, he shot a gun into the air as a "surprise" to the eight family members who were sitting within two to 10 feet of him.

We don't know if it was a blank, or if it was a shotgun (see my point about small shot coming back down not posing a serious danger upthread), or indeed if the guy lives in the middle of nowhere where firing a gun "into the air" might be a reasonably safe in one or more direction.

For example, at the club I am a member of, there is a skeet range.  Less than 550 yards from the firing line of that skeet range, and in the line of fire, there is a farm house.   The actual farm fields are about 300 yards away from the firing line, yet this is a safe arrangement because small shot loses velocity fast due to air resistance.

I don't take ballistics advice from Dear Abby.  I know more about the subject that she does, and quite likely probably more than you:  Quick, without Googling, what is the formula to figure muzzle energy in foot-pounds?  What is "Journee's Rule"?   What do you need to calculate the spin of a bullet in rpms?  What is the Greenhill formula and why is it important?

I still contend that it's a fake letter.  Why?  Because of the following:

He has been accumulating ammunition at an accelerated rate because he's afraid that large clips will soon be banned.

Then he should be purchasing "large clips" (I'm assuming that means standard capacity magazine ...


My contention is not whether you know more or less than I about ballistics (physics, really), or whether the letter is fake (I'm OK with assuming that ALL letters to ALL advice columnists are fake), but rather that you are quoting Abby's comment about a bullet being fired into the air being dangerous when it returns to earth, and responding with an example of bird shot.

The slug from a bullet and bird shot are very different things.  Frictional losses due to air resistance will definitely render bird shot fired into the air harmless by the time it falls to earth, whereas the same cannot be said for a bullet (of unknown caliber and grain).

Further, your post quoted Abby's comment about a bullet fired into the air, but then your reply states that you were responding to the "fired a gun" part of the original (unquoted) request for advice.  Why bother quoting anything, if that's not what you're referencing?  It's misleading at best.

Normally, I have quite a bit of respect for you and what you post.  This is not one of those times.
 
2013-03-05 03:16:36 PM

durbnpoisn: jaylectricity: dittybopper: This is actually wrong:

 who seem to have never learned that a bullet fired into the air must fall down somewhere and could kill or injure someone.

You could fire a shotgun up in the air with small shot and the worse thing that might happen is someone might get one in their eye if they happen to be looking straight up.

Wrong, I watched 1000 Ways to Die and a bullet went up in the air and killed somebody on the way down. It was on TruTV, so you know...

Mythbusters busted that idea.  They measured the speed at which a bullet falls, and it's not moving fast enough to kill.  Then they tested it on a pig's head.  Didn't go through the skull.  Didn't even make a dent.


That was for a bullet fired straight up. Fire one at an angle and very bad things can happen.
 
2013-03-05 03:19:11 PM
Are the Dixie Chicks banned on FARK, too?

'Cause Earl needs to have some more black-eyed peas, please
 
2013-03-05 03:28:21 PM

dittybopper: This is actually wrong:

 who seem to have never learned that a bullet fired into the air must fall down somewhere and could kill or injure someone.

You could fire a shotgun up in the air with small shot and the worse thing that might happen is someone might get one in their eye if they happen to be looking straight up.


They actually did this on Mythbusters where if  it is was shot between a certain range of angles, like 30 and 75 degrees or something, where there was enough time and trajectory for the bullet to be able to pierce a human body and kill them.
 
2013-03-05 03:32:40 PM
I keep loaded guns all over the place specifically because I don't want your farking kids wandering around my house. I even put a few inside ziplocks and scattered them around the yard. You wouldn't believe how peaceful my neighborhood is these days.
 
2013-03-05 03:52:13 PM

CheekyMonkey: Normally, I have quite a bit of respect for you and what you post.  This is not one of those times.


Hey, we can all have an off day ;)

My point as far as the advice about shooting a gun in the air stands, though.  There isn't enough information in the original letter for you, me, or Dear Abby to say for certain whether the behavior was safe or not.

Back when I was a kid, it was a tradition for my father to load up his Charleville musket with some black powder and wadding and fire a blank "salute" at midnight on New Years Day, and also at some point during the Fourth of July.

Perfectly safe, no projectile to come down and hurt someone, but for a person with limited knowledge on the subject, they might think it was recklessly dangerous.

That could well be the case here.  We just don't *KNOW*.

So, to re-iterate:
Shooting handguns and rifles in the air with normal ammunition is bad.
Shooting a shotgun with buckshot or slugs into the air is bad.

Shooting any gun with blank ammunition into the air: Perfectly OK.
Shooting a shotgun with small shot into the air should be fine.
 
2013-03-05 04:13:12 PM
spacebison.com
 
2013-03-05 05:29:38 PM
If the guy is an alcoholic keep the kids away from him , guns or no guns.
 
2013-03-05 05:36:58 PM

dittybopper: the ha ha guy: durbnpoisn: Mythbusters busted that idea.  They measured the speed at which a bullet falls, and it's not moving fast enough to kill.  Then they tested it on a pig's head.  Didn't go through the skull.  Didn't even make a dent.


I'm sure this girl's parents will be glad to know that their kid really wasn't killed by the bullet that went in through the top of her head and lodged in her brain stem.

/I know one of the detectives who is investigating this, he says there were so many people in the area firing their guns that night that it's impossible to tell who was responsible for this specific bullet.

I read that article, and it was pretty damned light on the specifics, but this is scary:

Neighbors told 11 News that authorities have even confiscated some guns.

Given that even a handgun bullet could travel over a mile if fired at the right angle, there is essentially no real way to know with any certainty where the bullet came from, other than "It came from that general direction, based upon how she was standing when she was hit".

So going around and confiscating the guns of neighbors sounds a bit, erm, optimistic.


CSI did this, they tracked it down by luck.  At the time and area of search, there happened to be only one guy who fired his gun and was reported to the police.  So the case pretty much fell into their lap.  Well what do expect from tv.
 
2013-03-05 06:27:34 PM
Is this guy part of the "well-inebriated militia" the 2nd Amendment talks about? Or is it some other form of patriotic descent?

glittercryingeagle.jpg
 
2013-03-05 07:13:24 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: "Just tell your kids to distract their grandpa by asking to play his classic hit 'Cat Scratch Fever.'"


I knew there was a reason I had you farkied as a funny farker - well done. Oh and you owe me a new keyboard.
 
2013-03-05 07:13:34 PM
Dear Abby:  should I defer to my husband's judgment even when it's obviously flawed?

Abby:  no

This is all about the definition of marriage.
 
2013-03-05 07:17:53 PM
letter sounds made-up as all hell, designed to troll abby. even as a gun owner, I'm ok with abby's advice. if you feel that someone is an alcoholic and irresponsible with his firearms, it's your responsibility to get yourself  (and your kids) the hell out.

I lived with a guy who eventually became depressed and careless with his guns. put a slug into a coffee table and refused to admit it even after I dug the .40 +P HP out. He wasn't always like that, but he became that way. I called him on it and got my own place within a month. I am very much a 2A advocate but the irresponsible are not to be tolerated.

as for bullets doing damage coming down from the sky, you better believe it can kill you. birdshot, probably not (won't kill even when fired directly in your face, as cheney found out) but any bullet definitely will cause damage. I wouldn't stand under a 9mm bullet dropped from a 2nd story balcony. I've seen what a .22BB can do dropped from table height during ANSI tests.

If this is real - and I seriously doubt it -
- mom is an idiot for having to be validated by abby if she feels something is unsafe for her kids.
- grandpa is an idiot for leaving unsecured, let alone loaded, guns around when kids are around. when I give permission for kids to come over, I first make sure everything is put away, unloaded, and locked up. The only thing that stays loaded is my pistol which is inside a safe of its own. In a room that is off-limits. and locked.
- dad needs to get more involved if wife is off asking abby for parental advice of this nature.
- kids need to be gun educated.
 
2013-03-05 08:16:37 PM
Someone needs to post pic of Adam Sandler movie "Grown Ups" where the guy is shooting an arrow straight up in the air.
 
2013-03-05 09:58:18 PM
That was pretty funny.  What won't they swallow?

(no, don't say it...)
 
2013-03-05 10:03:33 PM
He has been accumulating ammunition at an accelerated rate because he's afraid that large clips will soon be banned

What a great hook for the ignorant.
 
2013-03-06 02:48:57 AM

farker99: Hey, don't look at me, my neighbor was convicted of having loaded weapons in his house, one of which was used by a teenager to kill himself while the parents were not present.

This is a rarely used (3 times in the last 20 years) law used to keep parents 'good' from what I can tell. The kids of the parents in question were all trained in weapon safety.

Drugs were involved, as the kid who killed himself was said to be hitting himself over the head with a 'heavy skillet' before shooting himself with a .22 rifle.

/Gets to have it expunged after 18 months and doing community service and family hand holding sessions with a therapist.


Damn.

But that makes me wonder, can someone be charged for their spouse or roommate killing themselves with your gun, if they knew where the firearm and ammo were? Any teen can find and combine both, so can any adult, is it the same in either case? Even if they had to bust a lock to do it?
 
2013-03-06 05:40:26 AM
Seems odd to be asking a dead woman questions.
 
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