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(Popular Mechanics)   Popular Mechanics, of all magazines, counts down the top 50 sci-fi television shows of all time... which is pretty much all of them   (popularmechanics.com) divider line 177
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2013-03-05 08:55:13 AM  
Oh yeah.  Just because ALF ate cats the internet is against him.
 
2013-03-05 09:22:01 AM  
http://desli.de/MPX

Here's the deslidified link. Although the list is crap because Star Trek TOS was #6, which is pretty much BS.
 
2013-03-05 09:24:17 AM  
A 50 page slideshow?  PFFF.  Fark off.
 
2013-03-05 10:16:07 AM  

RexTalionis: http://desli.de/MPX

Here's the deslidified link. Although the list is crap because Star Trek TOS was #6, which is pretty much BS.


A lot of the list is BS.  Just glancing at it, The Prisoner and Evangelion are ranked way too high.  I liked both, but there's no way they're in the top 10.
 
2013-03-05 10:22:59 AM  
They're way too complimentary for Voyager.. still going down the deslidified link..
 
2013-03-05 10:26:36 AM  
And this gem in the description of SG-1: "More than 200 episodes is quite a run for a spin-off to a mediocre Roland Emmerich movie. "

Mediocre?  It had Kurt Russell kicking ass.

I still want to see a proper sequel set in the film universe (instead of the TV show's), even though it will never happen.
 
2013-03-05 10:28:25 AM  
And Babylon 5 ranked just below Sliders?  Really?
 
2013-03-05 10:40:38 AM  

Honest Bender: A 50 page slideshow?  PFFF.  Fark off.


No shiat. I clicked the link and clicked next ONCE.

Thunderbirds (never watched it)
Land of the Lost (Yeah, I remember that show....I liked it when I was about 5 years old)

Does anyone know where Ultraman came in?

In other news, Popular Mechanics of all magazines attempts to make farkers click on their website 50 times. $20 says that subby works for Popular Mechanics.

I'm not really disappointed with not seeing the whole list. It would only cause grief because I'm sure I would disagree with much of it.
 
2013-03-05 10:45:06 AM  
I wasn't aware Twin Peaks was Sci Fi

where robotech where?
 
2013-03-05 10:47:23 AM  

Happy Hours: Does anyone know where Ultraman came in?


Should be in there instead of Life on Mars
 
2013-03-05 10:48:26 AM  
You probably would have come out with a better ranking of the shows if you had used a bingo counter to assign them at random.
 
2013-03-05 10:48:43 AM  
I couldn't help myself.

deslided

I was right. I disagree with much of it.

Futurama came in at #29
Red Dwarf at #27
Firefly at #11
Outer Limits at #10
The Prisoner at #7 (I just started re-watching for the millionth time the other day. It stands the test of time and is still one of my favorites)
Star Trek at #6 (oh yeah)
Twilight Zone at #5


Ultraman didn't make the cut. I am outraged!1111111111111111!
 
2013-03-05 10:49:43 AM  
List fails without Quark:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-03-05 10:50:29 AM  
TNG higher than Voyager? List sucks.
 
2013-03-05 10:51:20 AM  

Happy Hours: Ultraman didn't make the cut. I am outraged!1111111111111111!


This.  I can understand Johnny Sokko and his Flying Robot (AKA Giant Robo) not making the cut, but no Ultraman?  Heresy.
 
2013-03-05 10:52:56 AM  
I know a lot of people's beefs with Lost and I concur, but if you consider the impact of duping a lot of normally non-sci-fi people into watching a major prime time sci-fi show, the fact that it was easily top three visually pleasing to behold during the early HD era, among other things... It was huge. But again, depends on the methodology of how you rank.
 
2013-03-05 10:55:06 AM  

funk_soul_bubby: I know a lot of people's beefs with Lost and I concur, but if you consider the impact of duping a lot of normally non-sci-fi people into watching a major prime time sci-fi show, the fact that it was easily top three visually pleasing to behold during the early HD era, among other things... It was huge. But again, depends on the methodology of how you rank.


I'm trying to figure out what methodology results in Sliders being ranked higher than both Babylon 5 and Farscape.  I like all three, but Sliders had two and a half good seasons, and even those were nowhere near the peaks of B5 or Farscape.
 
2013-03-05 10:56:08 AM  
No Ultraman?

Fail
 
2013-03-05 10:56:32 AM  
Doctor Who is mediocre at best.
 
2013-03-05 10:57:01 AM  
Land of the Lost

God, I miss Saturday morning TV. Now that kids can find cartoons anywhere, 24-hours a day, there's no reason to go out of your way, but when I was kid, we had it all... I particularly liked the Sid and Marty Kroft stuff, too. Bigfoot and Wildboy, Electra Woman and Dyna Girl, WonderBug, the original Ghostbusters(Predated the movie), Shazam, Isis, etc...

And then there were the cartoons. ScoobyDoo, Dynomutt, Captain Caveman, Super Friends...

Then they tricked you into learning with Schoolhouse Rock! and eating healthy with the 'Hanker for a hunk of cheese' guy...

Of course now, kids are welcome to watch any cartoons they want, as long as they are some version of Japanese animation.
 
2013-03-05 10:59:10 AM  

NeoCortex42: And this gem in the description of SG-1: "More than 200 episodes is quite a run for a spin-off to a mediocre Roland Emmerich movie. "

Mediocre?  It had Kurt Russell kicking ass.


It was still mediocre. Don't kid yourself.

I know there is a contingent of internet dorks that think that "Stargate" was a great film. They're wrong.
 
2013-03-05 10:59:50 AM  
The Time Tunnel
 
2013-03-05 11:02:20 AM  
What about Surface?  I thought that was a pretty darn decent show.  And Lake Bell's bells weren't too shabby either.
 
2013-03-05 11:04:20 AM  
Who in their right mind would put Star Trek: Voyager ahead of Space: 1999 or Space: Above and Beyond?
 
2013-03-05 11:04:23 AM  

SuburbanSound: And Lake Bell's bells weren't too shabby either.


movieactors.com

Never heard of it.
 
2013-03-05 11:08:54 AM  

StrikitRich: Who in their right mind would put Star Trek: Voyager ahead of Space: 1999 or Space: Above and Beyond?


I wouldn't even put it above Lexx.
 
2013-03-05 11:08:59 AM  

Mikey1969: Land of the Lost

God, I miss Saturday morning TV. Now that kids can find cartoons anywhere, 24-hours a day, there's no reason to go out of your way, but when I was kid, we had it all... I particularly liked the Sid and Marty Kroft stuff, too. Bigfoot and Wildboy, Electra Woman and Dyna Girl, WonderBug, the original Ghostbusters(Predated the movie), Shazam, Isis, etc...

And then there were the cartoons. ScoobyDoo, Dynomutt, Captain Caveman, Super Friends...

Then they tricked you into learning with Schoolhouse Rock! and eating healthy with the 'Hanker for a hunk of cheese' guy...

Of course now, kids are welcome to watch any cartoons they want, as long as they are some version of Japanese animation.


your newsletter. I would like to subscribe to it.

I used to get up on Saturday mornings with only one thought in my head and that was to watch cartoons.

These days on Saturday mornings I wake up and all the cartoons suck so I end up watching the news. I must be old or something.
 
2013-03-05 11:09:26 AM  

wiseolddude: The Time Tunnel


Voyage to the Bottom ot the Sea and...

www.tvparty.com
 
2013-03-05 11:12:26 AM  

dittybopper: List fails without Quark:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x400]


I hope that meme never dies.
 
2013-03-05 11:12:33 AM  

StrikitRich: Who in their right mind would put Star Trek: Voyager ahead of Space: 1999 or Space: Above and Beyond?


I'm thinking that from the logistics involved, this is just a '50 Greatest' list, not a "50 Greatest, in order from best wort"(Or vice-versa).

Nobody would really try to put something like this in order if they knew what was good for them.

I remember Space: 1999, can't remember anything from it, but I remember that I really liked it.
 
2013-03-05 11:14:20 AM  

Happy Hours: I used to get up on Saturday mornings with only one thought in my head and that was to watch cartoons.


And you used to be able to watch 'em till noon, or 1 o'clock. When I was in my 20's, the first thing I noticed is that they were over by 9 am or so, next thing was that they started putting on news shows. On a Saturday morning. For like 2-3 hours... Insane.
 
2013-03-05 11:18:39 AM  

wiseolddude: The Time Tunnel


I forgot about that show - It definitely deserves to be on the list

.

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Voyage to the Bottom ot the Sea


Also that.

While we're at it, what about Sealab?
 
2013-03-05 11:19:08 AM  

Mikey1969: StrikitRich: Who in their right mind would put Star Trek: Voyager ahead of Space: 1999 or Space: Above and Beyond?

I'm thinking that from the logistics involved, this is just a '50 Greatest' list, not a "50 Greatest, in order from best wort"(Or vice-versa).

Nobody would really try to put something like this in order if they knew what was good for them.

I remember Space: 1999, can't remember anything from it, but I remember that I really liked it.


For it's time the effects were very good, but would seem very dated to some youngin' who didn't 'experience' the 1970s or is spoiled by CGI.  The first season is definitely better than the second.
 
2013-03-05 11:19:51 AM  

Mikey1969: Happy Hours: I used to get up on Saturday mornings with only one thought in my head and that was to watch cartoons.

And you used to be able to watch 'em till noon, or 1 o'clock. When I was in my 20's, the first thing I noticed is that they were over by 9 am or so, next thing was that they started putting on news shows. On a Saturday morning. For like 2-3 hours... Insane.


Infomercials pay the stations better
 
2013-03-05 11:20:56 AM  

StrikitRich: Who in their right mind would put Star Trek: Voyager ahead of Space: 1999 or Space: Above and Beyond?


If we're including cartoons, I wouldn't put any of those near the top 50. And Farscape needs to be in the top 3
 
2013-03-05 11:21:04 AM  
get torchwood off that list.

/watches torchwood
 
2013-03-05 11:21:32 AM  
Amanda Pays.
 
2013-03-05 11:25:19 AM  
the perfect anime, especially because it hasn't beenquite embraced by the American mainstream.
"Hi.  I'll be your hipster douchebag reporter with a 50 page slideshow today."

/great series though.  Not sure it should top Cowboy Bebop
 
2013-03-05 11:29:08 AM  

thecpt: the perfect anime, especially because it hasn't beenquite embraced by the American mainstream.
"Hi.  I'll be your hipster douchebag reporter with a 50 page slideshow today."

/great series though.  Not sure it should top Cowboy Bebop


Evangelion really shouldn't top Cowboy Bebop.   Cowboy Bebop should top Firefly though.
 
2013-03-05 11:30:08 AM  
Popular Mechanics has really lost its way. I remember reading it for....you know...mechanics type stuff that was popular at the time, now they rate sci-fi shows.
 
2013-03-05 11:30:21 AM  

thecpt: the perfect anime, especially because it hasn't beenquite embraced by the American mainstream.
"Hi.  I'll be your hipster douchebag reporter with a 50 page slideshow today."

/great series though.  Not sure it should top Cowboy Bebop


Of course it shouldn't.  Whiny Shinji was incredibly annoying.

 I might consider rating Rebuild of Eva that high once the whole series is out.
 
2013-03-05 11:32:03 AM  
Enterprise was better than at least one of those shows.  There, I said it.
 
2013-03-05 11:36:11 AM  
I know it's kind lame, but I've been halfway addicted to Eureka on Netflix for the last couple of weeks. It kind of reminds me of Quantum Leap because it's obviously not serious.
 
2013-03-05 11:38:32 AM  

The DBS: I know it's kind lame, but I've been halfway addicted to Eureka on Netflix for the last couple of weeks. It kind of reminds me of Quantum Leap because it's obviously not serious.


Eureka's a great "fun" Science Fiction show.  It had it's stumbles (product placement, alternate timelines, and Felicia Day), but it's still one of my favorite recent Sci-Fi shows.

The closest thing left is Warehouse 13.  The way Syfy's going, that probably won't be around much longer, either.
 
2013-03-05 11:40:57 AM  
*Oh they haz the anime. Nice.

*Caprica is higher then Knight Rider? PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT.

*Ghost in the Shell: STC is overrated as all hell.

*Max Hedroom is in fron of 25 other shows? BWAHAHAHAHAH

*Sliders is above Babylon 5?

*Evangelion is still awesome.  That picture they have for it? Yeah, it's fan art. Not from the show.

*DS9 is best trek.
 
2013-03-05 11:43:41 AM  

Jim from Saint Paul: *Oh they haz the anime. Nice.

*Caprica is higher then Knight Rider? PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT.

*Ghost in the Shell: STC is overrated as all hell.

*Max Hedroom is in fron of 25 other shows? BWAHAHAHAHAH

*Sliders is above Babylon 5?

*Evangelion is still awesome.  That picture they have for it? Yeah, it's fan art. Not from the show.

*DS9 is best trek.


It's not fan art - a fan submitted their original angel design for some contest, and it won, so the official artists did it up.
 
2013-03-05 11:44:07 AM  
Am I the only one who liked Earth 2 ?
 
2013-03-05 11:44:13 AM  
Space, Above, and Beyond was a damn good show.  I would love to have a new series or even a game set in that universe.
 
2013-03-05 11:46:59 AM  

Once and Future Lurker: Am I the only one who liked Earth 2 ?


For the first few episodes, I think.
 
2013-03-05 11:47:52 AM  
Good to see Farscape getting some recognition.
 
2013-03-05 11:49:53 AM  
Won't go through all of that, but where's Blake's 7 on the list?
 
2013-03-05 11:50:49 AM  

doctorguilty: Won't go through all of that, but where's Blake's 7 on the list?


It's at #15.
 
2013-03-05 11:51:20 AM  

Once and Future Lurker: Am I the only one who liked Earth 2 ?


How can anyone dislike a show featuring Tim Curry as a villain?
 
2013-03-05 11:51:39 AM  
List fails without brisco county jr.
 
2013-03-05 11:53:28 AM  

NeoCortex42: It had it's stumbles


So did that apostrophe.
 
2013-03-05 11:54:20 AM  
That list order is total rubbish... and ...with the anime on there, where the F is Trigun??
 
2013-03-05 11:54:36 AM  

moanerific: Space, Above, and Beyond was a damn good show.  I would love to have a new series or even a game set in that universe.


Damn, was waiting for somebody to say that.  I concur, that was a VERY cool show, and gave a lot to think about in regards to how space combat could theoretically work...
 
2013-03-05 11:54:48 AM  

Quantum Apostrophe: NeoCortex42: It had it's stumbles

So did that apostrophe.


In an alternate timeline, that's the correct usage.

/Time for more caffeine
 
2013-03-05 11:57:13 AM  

NeoCortex42: Once and Future Lurker: Am I the only one who liked Earth 2 ?

How can anyone dislike a show featuring Tim Curry as a villain?


His best villain work was in "Muppet Treasure Island".
 
2013-03-05 11:58:10 AM  

dittybopper: His best villain work was in "Muppet Treasure Island".


yeah... that was MUCH better than Legend...

/kidding, of course...
 
2013-03-05 11:58:34 AM  
ST:DS9 is too damn low! And Lost wasn't science fiction!
 
2013-03-05 11:59:49 AM  
"heres a random list of SciFi and sorta SciFi related TV shows that once aired, in no particular order"

FTFY
 
2013-03-05 12:01:18 PM  

Perlin Noise: That list order is total rubbish... and ...with the anime on there, where the F is Trigun??


or SDF Macross?
 
2013-03-05 12:01:53 PM  
This list is wrong. The modern BSG, Futurama, Firefly, Babylon 5 and Deep Space 9 all deserve rankings in the top 5.
 
2013-03-05 12:02:14 PM  

dittybopper: NeoCortex42: Once and Future Lurker: Am I the only one who liked Earth 2 ?

How can anyone dislike a show featuring Tim Curry as a villain?

His best villain work was in "Muppet Treasure Island".


I'll see your Muppet Island and raise you Darkness in Ledgend
 
2013-03-05 12:02:29 PM  
thank you for 43
 
2013-03-05 12:02:56 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: *Oh they haz the anime. Nice.

*Caprica is higher then Knight Rider? PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT.

*Ghost in the Shell: STC is overrated as all hell.

*Max Hedroom is in fron of 25 other shows? BWAHAHAHAHAH

*Sliders is above Babylon 5?

*Evangelion is still awesome.  That picture they have for it? Yeah, it's fan art. Not from the show.

*DS9 is best trek.


DS9 is best trek.
 
2013-03-05 12:05:37 PM  

likefunbutnot: This list is wrong. The modern BSG, Futurama, Firefly, Babylon 5 and Deep Space 9 all deserve rankings in the top 5.


I'd probably put SG-1 above Firefly.  It created a successful franchise, lasting ten seasons itself (most of which were quite good), and had MacGuyver in space.
 
2013-03-05 12:08:49 PM  
UFO?
digilander.libero.it
 
2013-03-05 12:09:55 PM  

likefunbutnot: This list is wrong. The modern BSG, Futurama, Firefly, Babylon 5 and Deep Space 9 all deserve rankings in the top 5.


I'm not sure I understand putting Firefly up there.  It's entertaining and all, but wasn't really profound or anything and it didn't add much on it's own to sci fi.
 
2013-03-05 12:13:48 PM  
Dr. Who is NOT better than The Twilight Zone. Their rankings should be switched.
 
2013-03-05 12:14:28 PM  
has anyone mentioned an obscure, short tun sci-fi series not on the list yet?


thewickedwriters.files.wordpress.com

/yeah baby
 
2013-03-05 12:16:26 PM  

likefunbutnot: This list is wrong. The modern BSG, Futurama, Firefly, Babylon 5 and Deep Space 9 all deserve rankings in the top 5.


Once again, i doubt anyone tried to put that in any particular order, specifically because everybody would spend all day flaming them for the slightest misjudgment  It says nowhere that I could see that it was "in " order,, just the "50 Greatest"...
 
2013-03-05 12:16:30 PM  
If Knight Rider is considered Sci-Fi, then why wasn't Air Wolf listed???
 
2013-03-05 12:17:42 PM  

thecpt: I'm not sure I understand putting Firefly up there. It's entertaining and all, but wasn't really profound or anything and it didn't add much on it's own to sci fi.


Blade Runner was also not terrific as Science Fiction, but rather happens to be an incredibly compelling story set in a science fiction backdrop. Which is as it should be. A dozen episodes of Firefly painted a canvas more vivid than a half-dozen seasons of any given Star Trek. How is that not an accomplishment?
 
2013-03-05 12:18:35 PM  

swankywanky: has anyone mentioned an obscure, short tun sci-fi series not on the list yet?


[thewickedwriters.files.wordpress.com image 435x580]

/yeah baby


Holy shiat, that may very well be the show that I have been trying to remember for about 25 years now... Late 70's, short run, space show, etc... This might just be it. Thank you.
 
2013-03-05 12:20:12 PM  

Mikey1969: swankywanky: has anyone mentioned an obscure, short tun sci-fi series not on the list yet?


[thewickedwriters.files.wordpress.com image 435x580]

/yeah baby

Holy shiat, that may very well be the show that I have been trying to remember for about 25 years now... Late 70's, short run, space show, etc... This might just be it. Thank you.


Early 70's, I think.  I just have the vaguest memories of a spaceship that swallowed other spaceships.
 
2013-03-05 12:23:26 PM  

likefunbutnot: A dozen episodes of Firefly painted a canvas more vivid than a half-dozen seasons of any given Star Trek. How is that not an accomplishment?


I just don't find things that couldn't wrap up on their own accord to be impressive.  Don't get me wrong, it could have done that.  What happens if it has to go another 36 episodes?  We'll never know. It didn't have an ending or a statement to make so I can't justify saying its a top 5.

/some of us just kind of liked it, but respect other's opinions
 
2013-03-05 12:25:32 PM  

Alphax: Early 70's, I think.  I just have the vaguest memories of a spaceship that swallowed other spaceships.


are you sure that's not a scene from "You Only Live Twice'?
 
2013-03-05 12:29:44 PM  
Top 5 should be:
The Twilight Zone
Dr. Who
Farscape
DS9
Red Dwarf
 
2013-03-05 12:33:30 PM  

Alphax: Mikey1969: swankywanky: has anyone mentioned an obscure, short tun sci-fi series not on the list yet?


[thewickedwriters.files.wordpress.com image 435x580]

/yeah baby

Holy shiat, that may very well be the show that I have been trying to remember for about 25 years now... Late 70's, short run, space show, etc... This might just be it. Thank you.

Early 70's, I think.  I just have the vaguest memories of a spaceship that swallowed other spaceships.


don't think it's the same - that pic I posted was from an (very) early 80's show called Salvage-1.  Andy Griffin is a junk yard owner who has a dream of going to the moon to get all the space junk that had been left there by the lunar landings.  He builds a spaceship out of junk and finds a new fuel source to power the thing and goes to the moon.

/no shiate
//and it lasted two seasons!
///there were still a LOT of drugs back then
 
2013-03-05 12:34:53 PM  

likefunbutnot: thecpt: I'm not sure I understand putting Firefly up there. It's entertaining and all, but wasn't really profound or anything and it didn't add much on it's own to sci fi.

Blade Runner was also not terrific as Science Fiction, but rather happens to be an incredibly compelling story set in a science fiction backdrop. Which is as it should be. A dozen episodes of Firefly painted a canvas more vivid than a half-dozen seasons of any given Star Trek. How is that not an accomplishment?


I've seen people refer to Blade Runner as a western. I cannot make a compelling case to refute that.

Firefly is probably even more of a western.
 
2013-03-05 12:38:01 PM  
What was that series from the 70s, written by Harlan Ellison, that Mr. Ellison derided as being crap?  Something about being on an arc that had several pods, each pod had a civilization, each week the heros went to a different pod.  I remember liking the show, but I was maybe 15 at the time.
 
2013-03-05 12:39:01 PM  
Ctrl+F "Babylon 5"

#19?
 
2013-03-05 12:47:41 PM  

Alphax: Once and Future Lurker: Am I the only one who liked Earth 2 ?

For the first few episodes, I think.


I just got done watching it on Nextflix and wow so much promise yet sooooo bad.  It was just bad bad bad.  I couldn't stop watching it was badgood.

Now I am watching Seaquest.  I remember watching it as a kid and loving it.... OMG what a jumbled mess it was.  Aliens, demigods, different aliens, demigo, oh a human antagonist, more aliens.  Should be starting on season 3 tonight.
 
2013-03-05 12:48:46 PM  

NeoCortex42: The DBS: I know it's kind lame, but I've been halfway addicted to Eureka on Netflix for the last couple of weeks. It kind of reminds me of Quantum Leap because it's obviously not serious.

Eureka's a great "fun" Science Fiction show.  It had it's stumbles (product placement, alternate timelines, and Felicia Day), but it's still one of my favorite recent Sci-Fi shows.

The closest thing left is Warehouse 13.  The way Syfy's going, that probably won't be around much longer, either.


I liked the Felicia Day bits.  Warehouse 13 started slow but did pick up over time.  SyFy has been doing well with the Canadian rebranded shows, Continuum and Lost Girl are both solid.  I heard last year that they were developing several new scripted series, including a 'space opera' epic style traditional sci-fi show with space ships and aliens and whatnot, but all I've seen commercials for is the one with the video game tie-in, which is the one I was least interested in (though I'll hold out judgement till it airs, maybe it will work).

  Too many Sci-Fi shows get the axe before they really have a change to develop.  Jericho, Dollhouse, and SG-U were all just starting to come into their own when they got the axe.
 
2013-03-05 12:50:13 PM  

thecpt: It didn't have an ending or a statement to make so I can't justify saying its a top 5.


Neither Doctor Who nor the Twilight Zone have had an ending or made any sort of singular coherent statement across the run of those respective series.
 
2013-03-05 12:52:07 PM  

Happy Hours: likefunbutnot: thecpt: I'm not sure I understand putting Firefly up there. It's entertaining and all, but wasn't really profound or anything and it didn't add much on it's own to sci fi.

Blade Runner was also not terrific as Science Fiction, but rather happens to be an incredibly compelling story set in a science fiction backdrop. Which is as it should be. A dozen episodes of Firefly painted a canvas more vivid than a half-dozen seasons of any given Star Trek. How is that not an accomplishment?

I've seen people refer to Blade Runner as a western. I cannot make a compelling case to refute that.

Firefly is probably even more of a western.


TOS was the most western of all pseudo ScyFi.
 
2013-03-05 12:53:33 PM  
Alphax: Early 70's, I think.  I just have the vaguest memories of a spaceship that swallowed other spaceships.

 Sounds like the opening credits of "Quark" (the space garbage truck, not the Ferengi).  Also, am I the only one who liked "Seven Days"?
 
2013-03-05 12:53:38 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: NeoCortex42: The DBS: I know it's kind lame, but I've been halfway addicted to Eureka on Netflix for the last couple of weeks. It kind of reminds me of Quantum Leap because it's obviously not serious.

Eureka's a great "fun" Science Fiction show.  It had it's stumbles (product placement, alternate timelines, and Felicia Day), but it's still one of my favorite recent Sci-Fi shows.

The closest thing left is Warehouse 13.  The way Syfy's going, that probably won't be around much longer, either.

I liked the Felicia Day bits.


I liked the Felicia Day character, but the final season focused way too much on her subplot.  That should have been cleared up in an episode or two, not dragged out for the whole season.

Saiga410: Now I am watching Seaquest.  I remember watching it as a kid and loving it.... OMG what a jumbled mess it was.  Aliens, demigods, different aliens, demigo, oh a human antagonist, more aliens.  Should be starting on season 3 tonight.


Sequest is great, but it never really settled on what kind of show it wanted to be.  The first season was all about exploring the oceans, to the point of being damn near educational.  The second season was trying to make it as Sci-Fi as possible with aliens and whatnot.  The third season tried to turn it into a militaristic action series.

I just wish they would finally release the third season on DVD.  Season 2 came out years ago.
 
2013-03-05 12:54:45 PM  
I rather liked the Invisible Man that sci-fi had for a few years.  Was actually a well written show, and a bit literate.
 
2013-03-05 12:55:32 PM  

Lexx: It's not fan art - a fan submitted their original angel design for some contest, and it won, so the official artists did it up.


So... it's fan art.
 
2013-03-05 12:56:24 PM  

likefunbutnot: Neither Doctor Who nor the Twilight Zone have had an ending or made any sort of singular coherent statement across the run of those respective series.


kind of agree with Dr Who, but it's longevity is staggering.  Twilight Zone was known for getting a point across (moral or philosophical) in nearly every episode and defined the genre. I wouldn't go for those two for trying to make your case.  Firefly didn't have a chance when it came to creating content that could prove it's worth against those heavy weights.
 
2013-03-05 12:56:49 PM  

Saiga410: TOS was the most western of all pseudo ScyFi.


If only there was a succinct way to put that.  Maybe like calling it "Bonanza to the planets".  Yeah, that's it.

Barricaded Gunman: Also, am I the only one who liked "Seven Days"?


Great show.  I wish it had hung around a bit longer.

Other fun Sci-Fi shows I haven't seen mentioned yet: The Sci-Fi Channel's Invisible Man and Brisco County Jr.

Yes, Brisco was Sci-Fi.
 
2013-03-05 12:59:01 PM  
The SyFy channel's Flash Gordon show from a few years ago was entertaining.  Sure, it was campy as all get out and the acting was way over the top in many places, but to me that was pretty much the point.  It was just good clean mindless fun.
 
2013-03-05 01:00:13 PM  
In the description of Ghost in the Shell: SAC:  " Suffice to say there's no other series out there so drenched in the aesthetic of both the Matrix movies and the William GibsonSprawl trilogy. "

So Ghost in the Shell borrowed from The Matrix?  Sure, why not.
 
2013-03-05 01:01:48 PM  

Barricaded Gunman: Alphax: Early 70's, I think.  I just have the vaguest memories of a spaceship that swallowed other spaceships.

 Sounds like the opening credits of "Quark" (the space garbage truck, not the Ferengi).  Also, am I the only one who liked "Seven Days"?


Yeah, I think it was Quark.
 
2013-03-05 01:01:49 PM  
The X-Files should be ranked first.  It's one of the few sci-fi shows that managed to change the TV landscape.  Even today, Breaking Bad and Homeland have themes rooted in X-Files episodes.  While Dr. Who has been around for a long time, it's still just a niche sci-fi show.  Just my opinion.
 
2013-03-05 01:02:23 PM  

Mikey1969: StrikitRich: Who in their right mind would put Star Trek: Voyager ahead of Space: 1999 or Space: Above and Beyond?

I'm thinking that from the logistics involved, this is just a '50 Greatest' list, not a "50 Greatest, in order from best wort"(Or vice-versa).

Nobody would really try to put something like this in order if they knew what was good for them.

I remember Space: 1999, can't remember anything from it, but I remember that I really liked it.


There was an episode with this tentacled monster  hiding in a derelict ship... it would suck people in and spit them out as charcoal briquets.  It scared the living fark out of me.
 
2013-03-05 01:03:48 PM  

Oh and whar


images4.wikia.nocookie.net?


WHAR?!


/yes Season 4 is god awful
//seasons 1-2 and 2 are awesome and 3 is pretty good
 
2013-03-05 01:05:47 PM  
I just want to know where they were going with the plot of Space Above and Beyond. They introduced a couple of interesting plot lines with the season finale and then it was canceled.
 
2013-03-05 01:06:33 PM  
I would like to nominate EFC and TimeTrax.
 
2013-03-05 01:08:24 PM  

Mikey1969: Once again, i doubt anyone tried to put that in any particular order, specifically because everybody would spend all day flaming them for the slightest misjudgment  It says nowhere that I could see that it was "in " order,, just the "50 Greatest"...


Then why does it count down?
If they did not want to get flamed, they would just have used a non-arbitrary value neutral ordering like premire date, or series duration. With none of those present it is a FARKING countdown.

highbrow45: ST:DS9 is too damn low! And Lost wasn't science fiction!

Neither is Life on Mars and I doubt Twin Peaks counts either.
 
2013-03-05 01:09:45 PM  
I'd put Nowhere Man, Earth 2, First Wave or Andromeda over Torchwood.

/Probably not Earth: Final Conflict
//If you're going to put in cartoons, why not Adventure Time.
 
2013-03-05 01:10:40 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: Oh and whar
[images4.wikia.nocookie.net image 385x476]?
WHAR?!
/yes Season 4 is god awful
//seasons 1-2 and 2 are awesome and 3 is pretty good


If you're going to include comic-based shows, you have to have pretty much all of the Bruce Timm DC cartoons ahead of that
 
2013-03-05 01:14:54 PM  

SuperChuck: Jim from Saint Paul: Oh and whar
[images4.wikia.nocookie.net image 385x476]?
WHAR?!
/yes Season 4 is god awful
//seasons 1-2 and 2 are awesome and 3 is pretty good

If you're going to include comic-based shows, you have to have pretty much all of the Bruce Timm DC cartoons ahead of that


"Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker" is an under-appreciated jem. Best animated "comic" movie ever. I only enjoy Iron Man 1 more then that flick when you include live-action comic stuff.
 
2013-03-05 01:15:32 PM  

Copperbelly watersnake: I just want to know where they were going with the plot of Space Above and Beyond. They introduced a couple of interesting plot lines with the season finale and then it was canceled.


Probably a full scale invasion of Earth by the chigs and more AI chicanery...

/Wang, Paul
//Take a chance
 
2013-03-05 01:27:49 PM  
No Lost in Space?!?!?  Oh the Pain, The PAIN!
 
2013-03-05 01:27:52 PM  

NeoCortex42: In the description of Ghost in the Shell: SAC:  " Suffice to say there's no other series out there so drenched in the aesthetic of both the Matrix movies and the William GibsonSprawl trilogy. "

So Ghost in the Shell borrowed from The Matrix?  Sure, why not.


That's fatarded. The Wykowski bros borrowed so heavily from GitS that they supposedly even asked for permission to do the movie.

Here's a scene by scene comparison:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3tF7TL0Qh4
 
2013-03-05 01:29:11 PM  

dittybopper: List fails without Quark:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x400]


Seconded.
 
2013-03-05 01:29:26 PM  

stupiddream: No Lost in Space?!?!?  Oh the Pain, The PAIN!


Oops, #31, oh I am a ninny!
 
2013-03-05 01:29:31 PM  

stupiddream: No Lost in Space?!?!?  Oh the Pain, The PAIN!


Number 31, with that exact quote, no less.
 
2013-03-05 01:33:49 PM  

FooDog: NeoCortex42: In the description of Ghost in the Shell: SAC:  " Suffice to say there's no other series out there so drenched in the aesthetic of both the Matrix movies and the William GibsonSprawl trilogy. "

So Ghost in the Shell borrowed from The Matrix?  Sure, why not.

That's fatarded. The Wykowski bros borrowed so heavily from GitS that they supposedly even asked for permission to do the movie.

Here's a scene by scene comparison:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3tF7TL0Qh4


BUT CARTOONZ!

CARTOOOOOOOOONZ!
 
2013-03-05 01:33:52 PM  
on a side note, did anyone want to see Invader Zim up there or Are You Afraid of the Dark?  They've had a lasting impact on me and threw many kids of my generation out into the sci fi world.
 
2013-03-05 01:38:03 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: Oh and whar
[images4.wikia.nocookie.net image 385x476]?
WHAR?!
/yes Season 4 is god awful
//seasons 1-2 and 2 are awesome and 3 is pretty good


watched some of them when they aired and recently watched some on boomerang I think.

good lord that show sucked.  low or no budget and the acting was just horrific.
 
2013-03-05 01:40:10 PM  

thecpt: kind of agree with Dr Who, but it's longevity is staggering. Twilight Zone was known for getting a point across (moral or philosophical) in nearly every episode and defined the genre. I wouldn't go for those two for trying to make your case. Firefly didn't have a chance when it came to creating content that could prove it's worth against those heavy weights.


I'm a big enough opera fan to sit through Wagner to get to "Mild und Leise", but that doesn't mean that the three hours preceding it are anything but astonishingly mediocre. That more or less sums up my opinion of Doctor Who as well.

As for the Twilight Zone, yes, it was genre-defining, but it also did not have a single coherent narrative or make any statements wider than those of any single episode. By your own standards, it cannot be judged in the manner of a long format serial.
 
2013-03-05 01:45:39 PM  

Snotnose: What was that series from the 70s, written by Harlan Ellison, that Mr. Ellison derided as being crap?  Something about being on an arc that had several pods, each pod had a civilization, each week the heros went to a different pod.  I remember liking the show, but I was maybe 15 at the time.


That would be The Starlost
 
2013-03-05 01:47:05 PM  

likefunbutnot: thecpt: kind of agree with Dr Who, but it's longevity is staggering. Twilight Zone was known for getting a point across (moral or philosophical) in nearly every episode and defined the genre. I wouldn't go for those two for trying to make your case. Firefly didn't have a chance when it came to creating content that could prove it's worth against those heavy weights.

I'm a big enough opera fan to sit through Wagner to get to "Mild und Leise", but that doesn't mean that the three hours preceding it are anything but astonishingly mediocre. That more or less sums up my opinion of Doctor Who as well.



What makes Doctor Who work so well, and has given it the longevity it has, is that it hasn't been one show running for decades, it's been a series of different shows all set in the same universe.  Every time they change a doctor or change a companion the entire dynamic of the show shifts.  Chris Eccleston and Billie Piper had a very different feel than David Tennant and Catherine Tate, or even David Tennant and Billie Piper.

Not only being able to change the main characters, but actually expecting them to change regularly, all while preserving the history and mythology of the series has allowed the show to reap the rewards of an epic saga without ever feeling stale.
 
2013-03-05 01:47:40 PM  

likefunbutnot: I'm a big enough opera fan to sit through Wagner to get to "Mild und Leise", but that doesn't mean that the three hours preceding it are anything but astonishingly mediocre. That more or less sums up my opinion of Doctor Who as well.


I'm not at all the biggest fan, but I recognize it's potential to have a great episode or two every season.  Nonetheless I can't go in depth about the before era, but Midnight, the Girl in the Fireplace, Blink, the Last Dalek, and the Van Gogh episode were better than any single Firefly episode to me.  I'm sure there were gems before that.  Then again, those are all my opinion man.

likefunbutnot: As for the Twilight Zone, yes, it was genre-defining, but it also did not have a single coherent narrative or make any statements wider than those of any single episode. By your own standards, it cannot be judged in the manner of a long format serial.


Well that'd be true if that were my lone standard, but it isn't.  Defining a genre is pretty damn good and the show still has marathon sessions on tv 50 years later.  I doubt Firefly will have that lasting of an impact.  You can prove me wrong in 50 years though. I'll probably still be alive then.
 
2013-03-05 01:51:32 PM  
www.quirkins.com

We already know what the top sci-fi concert was.....
 
2013-03-05 01:53:26 PM  
likefunbutnot:

also, have to ask.  Is your name based on the Mike Birbiglia bit?
 
2013-03-05 01:54:35 PM  

Assimilate This: Enterprise was better than at least one of those shows.  There, I said it.


Maybe by the fourth season when the writers/producers finally figured out what the series was supposed to be doing.  But the audience had abandoned ship by then.
 
2013-03-05 02:03:34 PM  

thecpt: also, have to ask. Is your name based on the Mike Birbiglia bit?


My nickname has been described as an entirely apt description of my personality. I'm largely anhedonic.
 
2013-03-05 02:05:38 PM  

thecpt: likefunbutnot: A dozen episodes of Firefly painted a canvas more vivid than a half-dozen seasons of any given Star Trek. How is that not an accomplishment?

I just don't find things that couldn't wrap up on their own accord to be impressive.  Don't get me wrong, it could have done that.  What happens if it has to go another 36 episodes?  We'll never know. It didn't have an ending or a statement to make so I can't justify saying its a top 5.

/some of us just kind of liked it, but respect other's opinions



Whoa! An adult who allows for personal taste and respects the opinions of others? More rare than a Unicorn here on FARK. Sadly, yours is a nearly extinct species, hunted to the brink of oblivion by ravening Instanet Trolls and dreaded Entertainment Snobs.

*Favorited*
 
2013-03-05 02:33:08 PM  
Doctor Who is very good and certainly close to my heart from my childhood, even if I can't be arsed to bother with the new one. But #1?

No.

Try again.

www.henson.com
 
2013-03-05 02:54:58 PM  
Missing from the list:

UFO (because it's farking U F O!)
VR5 (she still needs a sammach though)
Kolchak: The Night Stalker (x-files before x-files was cool)
SpeedGrapher ( 幸せですか )


/and the old BBC version of HHGTTG easily beats out half the list in TFA
 
2013-03-05 03:08:29 PM  
The list is crap (as always).

6 Million Dollar Man, Knightrider, Jericho, Max Headroom, and The Prisoner aren't really SciFi. They are same-time dramas that have geewhiz dohickery - like James Bond.

Twin Peaks, Caprica, Dollhouse, and most of the Japanese crap don't belong on the list at all.

MST3K is just a gag-wrapper

They should also cut-off a series that is based off of an existing motion picture environment - so no Sarah Connor Chronicles, Stargate, Alien Nation, Logan's Run, V (mini-series are movies)

Firefly is rated too high, solely on its POTENTIAL, not on what was actually delivered. It also has the whole "dying young" thing going on, so it is like Mozart.

The New BSG and Lost are rated too high because the farked-up the ending.

Personally, I would have put Twilight Zone/Outer Limits first two, TOS third, Who fourth, and B5 fifth. Ultimately SciFi is about the story and the believeable universe/environment it creates.
 
2013-03-05 03:18:43 PM  
Most of the episodes were horror, but they threw in some great sci-fi as well.  If you haven't already, check out Kolchak: The Night Stalker.  It was decades ahead of its time.
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-03-05 03:33:07 PM  

Saiga410: TOS was the most western of all pseudo ScyFi.


So where does Wild Wild West fit in?

That is truly a western and if some of the TV shows mentioned in the article qualify as Sci-Fi, WWW certainly does too.

James West is like James Bond in the 1800s. Some of the technology available to him is still beyond us today.

Like I said in my first....uh, initial post in this thread is that there would be disagreements as to what should be on the list.

IMO, Wild Wild West is one of the greatest Sci FI shows ever made. I still watch it whenever I can.
 
2013-03-05 03:41:53 PM  

madgonad: 6 Million Dollar Man, Knightrider, Jericho, Max Headroom, and The Prisoner aren't really SciFi. They are same-time dramas that have geewhiz dohickery - like James Bond.


You have a good point. Some of the technology may be beyond our reach even today, but much of it is at least conceivably possible. I wasn't going to nitpick though. I had never really thought of The Prisoner as Sci-Fi. It's more of a spy/intrigue/mind-fark show.

The only technology in the Prisoner which we can't understand are the balloon which guards the village and that crazy see-saw thingie which really doesn't make any sense at all. Everything else is just bugs, intrigue and psychological tactics.
 
2013-03-05 03:50:06 PM  

theflatline: I rather liked the Invisible Man that sci-fi had for a few years.  Was actually a well written show, and a bit literate.


They're airing that on some channel here and I'm not sure, but I think (but am still not 100% sure) I figured out that the clothes he wore when he became invisible are also invisible. So therefore he's not walking around naked when he's invisible but he can still wear clothes and wrap his head up in bandages when he doesn't want to be invisible.

I haven't seen that many episodes, but it does seem like a problem to me.

it comes on about 5 or 6 AM so I'm usually not too lucid when it comes on which probably adds to my confusion
 
2013-03-05 03:57:08 PM  

RexTalionis: http://desli.de/MPX

Here's the deslidified link. Although the list is crap because Star Trek TOS was #6, which is pretty much BS.


indeed. far to generous.

/ducks and runs.
 
2013-03-05 03:57:25 PM  

Happy Hours: They're airing that on some channel here and I'm not sure, but I think (but am still not 100% sure) I figured out that the clothes he wore when he became invisible are also invisible. So therefore he's not walking around naked when he's invisible but he can still wear clothes and wrap his head up in bandages when he doesn't want to be invisible.


I'm not sure if you're watching the same Invisible Man.  In the Sci-Fi one with  Vincent Ventresca, his clothes turn invisible with him each time.  He secretes "quicksilver" that coats his clothes as well as his body.
 
2013-03-05 03:59:17 PM  
We probably could have gone the dittybopper route.

www.starstills.com
 
2013-03-05 04:08:28 PM  

Badgers: Andromeda


Meh. It started out promisingly enough, but pretty much fell apart from the third season on.
 
2013-03-05 04:26:13 PM  

Happy Hours: madgonad: 6 Million Dollar Man, Knightrider, Jericho, Max Headroom, and The Prisoner aren't really SciFi. They are same-time dramas that have geewhiz dohickery - like James Bond.

You have a good point. Some of the technology may be beyond our reach even today, but much of it is at least conceivably possible. I wasn't going to nitpick though. I had never really thought of The Prisoner as Sci-Fi. It's more of a spy/intrigue/mind-fark show.

The only technology in the Prisoner which we can't understand are the balloon which guards the village and that crazy see-saw thingie which really doesn't make any sense at all. Everything else is just bugs, intrigue and psychological tactics.


Yeah, SciFi is really hard to define. My own take requires a fundamental difference between the world we know and the one in the story. It can't just be a talking car or a bionic arm. Fantasy would be the same, but a regression into our own mythological past.
 
2013-03-05 04:30:48 PM  
Hold on a second. They put Knight Rider ahead of Land of the Lost?
 
2013-03-05 04:34:39 PM  

swankywanky: has anyone mentioned an obscure, short tun sci-fi series not on the list yet?


[thewickedwriters.files.wordpress.com image 435x580]

/yeah baby


I do remember that show. If im correct it was about a Junk Yard owner played by Andy Griffith who builds a space ship and just shoots it off once a week
Since we are playing the Obscure game
www.tv-intros.com
I Said LUNCH not LAUNCH!
 
2013-03-05 04:36:31 PM  

NeoCortex42: Happy Hours: They're airing that on some channel here and I'm not sure, but I think (but am still not 100% sure) I figured out that the clothes he wore when he became invisible are also invisible. So therefore he's not walking around naked when he's invisible but he can still wear clothes and wrap his head up in bandages when he doesn't want to be invisible.

I'm not sure if you're watching the same Invisible Man.  In the Sci-Fi one with  Vincent Ventresca, his clothes turn invisible with him each time.  He secretes "quicksilver" that coats his clothes as well as his body.


I'm talking about this one: Link which originally aired from 1958-1960. Like I said I haven't seen that many episodes and it comes on very late (or early) but I don't think he secretes anything. He's permanently invisible and depending on the situation either goes completely invisible or wears clothes and bandages on his face so as not to freak others out too much.
I never heard of the one you're thinking of. In the one I'm talking about the guy is a scientist who stumbles upon this and it's somewhat of a curse for him.
 
2013-03-05 04:41:17 PM  

Happy Hours: NeoCortex42: Happy Hours: They're airing that on some channel here and I'm not sure, but I think (but am still not 100% sure) I figured out that the clothes he wore when he became invisible are also invisible. So therefore he's not walking around naked when he's invisible but he can still wear clothes and wrap his head up in bandages when he doesn't want to be invisible.

I'm not sure if you're watching the same Invisible Man.  In the Sci-Fi one with  Vincent Ventresca, his clothes turn invisible with him each time.  He secretes "quicksilver" that coats his clothes as well as his body.

I'm talking about this one: Link which originally aired from 1958-1960. Like I said I haven't seen that many episodes and it comes on very late (or early) but I don't think he secretes anything. He's permanently invisible and depending on the situation either goes completely invisible or wears clothes and bandages on his face so as not to freak others out too much.
I never heard of the one you're thinking of. In the one I'm talking about the guy is a scientist who stumbles upon this and it's somewhat of a curse for him.


Here's the one I was talking about:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVQ3DU6apfQ
 
2013-03-05 04:51:58 PM  
43. Space: Above and Beyond

OK, so everyone says this show is awesome but I thought it was kinda dumb. The one episode I watched had them sending pilots into ground battles like marines. Why would you go through all the trouble to train people to be pilots then waste them like that? It didn't make any sense to me.
 
2013-03-05 04:56:23 PM  

NeoCortex42: Here's the one I was talking about:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVQ3DU6apfQ


In the first few seconds of that clip, it looks like he's watching The Invisible Man that I was thinking of.
 
2013-03-05 04:59:42 PM  

fusillade762: 43. Space: Above and Beyond

OK, so everyone says this show is awesome but I thought it was kinda dumb. The one episode I watched had them sending pilots into ground battles like marines. Why would you go through all the trouble to train people to be pilots then waste them like that? It didn't make any sense to me.


Because actors are expendable.

But yeah, I see your point. It's like sending SEALS in to do patrols and convoy duty.
 
2013-03-05 05:03:30 PM  
Blake's 7 should have been ranked over Firefly.
 
2013-03-05 05:13:16 PM  
The reimagined BSG needs to be top 5 EASILY.  So many good stories and plotlines and so on, that I don't see how the likes of Doctor Who beat it (besides being on TV forever)

And who put ST:TOS outside the top 5, if not number 1?!?!

Weak list.

And Space: Above and Beyond was fantastic.
 
2013-03-05 05:14:49 PM  
Wait... there was an animated Stargate show??
 
2013-03-05 05:18:06 PM  

fusillade762: Wait... there was an animated Stargate show??


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_Infinity
got a season on fox saturday mornings.
 
2013-03-05 05:28:03 PM  
Does anyone remember this show? SPACE GIANTS is definitely a sci-fi show.

i1168.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-05 05:29:08 PM  

Alphax: Early 70's, I think.  I just have the vaguest memories of a spaceship that swallowed other spaceships.


Are you thinking of an episode of Space:1999 where a ship that looked like a giant space shuttle opened up like a C-5 in the front and took in one of the Alpha Eagles?
 
2013-03-05 05:29:49 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: FooDog: NeoCortex42: In the description of Ghost in the Shell: SAC:  " Suffice to say there's no other series out there so drenched in the aesthetic of both the Matrix movies and the William GibsonSprawl trilogy. "

So Ghost in the Shell borrowed from The Matrix?  Sure, why not.

That's fatarded. The Wykowski bros borrowed so heavily from GitS that they supposedly even asked for permission to do the movie.

Here's a scene by scene comparison:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3tF7TL0Qh4

BUT CARTOONZ!

CARTOOOOOOOOONZ!


Check out Crossworlds sometime with Rutger Hauer. They borrowed quite a bit from that movie as well.
 
2013-03-05 05:31:33 PM  

Strongbeerrules: Assimilate This: Enterprise was better than at least one of those shows.  There, I said it.

Maybe by the fourth season when the writers/producers finally figured out what the series was supposed to be doing.  But the audience had abandoned ship by then.


The 9/11 story line was utter crap.
 
2013-03-05 05:36:31 PM  

madgonad: Happy Hours: madgonad: 6 Million Dollar Man, Knightrider, Jericho, Max Headroom, and The Prisoner aren't really SciFi. They are same-time dramas that have geewhiz dohickery - like James Bond.

You have a good point. Some of the technology may be beyond our reach even today, but much of it is at least conceivably possible. I wasn't going to nitpick though. I had never really thought of The Prisoner as Sci-Fi. It's more of a spy/intrigue/mind-fark show.

The only technology in the Prisoner which we can't understand are the balloon which guards the village and that crazy see-saw thingie which really doesn't make any sense at all. Everything else is just bugs, intrigue and psychological tactics.

Yeah, SciFi is really hard to define. My own take requires a fundamental difference between the world we know and the one in the story. It can't just be a talking car or a bionic arm. Fantasy would be the same, but a regression into our own mythological past.


That branch of literature which is concerned with the impact of scientific advance upon human beings.

- Asimov
 
2013-03-05 05:38:50 PM  

likefunbutnot: This list is wrong. The modern BSG, Futurama, Firefly, Babylon 5 and Deep Space 9 all deserve rankings in the top 5.


BSG was #4, fwiw. Though I agree that Futurama should have been much higher. Logan's Run was NOT better than Futurama.
 
2013-03-05 05:55:50 PM  
images2.makefive.com

media.tumblr.com

1.bp.blogspot.com
davidszondy.com
 
2013-03-05 06:23:56 PM  
WOW!  Battle Of The Planets!  I haven't thought about that show in decades!  Time to google some episodes!

Personally, I think Cowboy Bebop should have been higher on the list, but that's just me.

Glad to see MST3k get some love, though it's sort of a cheat since the premise wasn't really sci-fi in the strictest sense.
 
2013-03-05 06:42:52 PM  
Lost in Space only went campy to answer to Batman.

But then they leave out Irwin Allen's "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea" and "The Time Tunnel?"

//where they reused the costumes and props!
 
2013-03-05 07:26:36 PM  
No love for Threshold. (Unless I missed it somewhere in that mess. That was a lot of slides.)

Another interesting show cancelled in its first seasons. Sigh.
 
2013-03-05 07:33:03 PM  

CygnusDarius: Good to see Farscape getting some recognition.


One small problem with their description.

John worked with IASA .. Not NASA.

/Small .. small quibble.
 
2013-03-05 08:18:49 PM  

Mikey1969: Land of the Lost

God, I miss Saturday morning TV. Now that kids can find cartoons anywhere, 24-hours a day, there's no reason to go out of your way, but when I was kid, we had it all... I particularly liked the Sid and Marty Kroft stuff, too. Bigfoot and Wildboy, Electra Woman and Dyna Girl, WonderBug, the original Ghostbusters(Predated the movie), Shazam, Isis, etc...

And then there were the cartoons. ScoobyDoo, Dynomutt, Captain Caveman, Super Friends...

Then they tricked you into learning with Schoolhouse Rock! and eating healthy with the 'Hanker for a hunk of cheese' guy...

Of course now, kids are welcome to watch any cartoons they want, as long as they are some version of Japanese animation.


So much this.  Loved Land of the Lost (had the board game), SuperFriends, Scooby Doo.  Also happy to see Star Blazers on the list, which was my first foray into anime.  And while MST3K might not have been sci-fi in the strictest sense, the later seasons on the SyFy channel did have only sci-fi films.


/Rock Hardslab!
 
2013-03-05 08:39:30 PM  

Galileo's Daughter: So much this.  Loved Land of the Lost (had the board game), SuperFriends, Scooby Doo.  Also happy to see Star Blazers on the list, which was my first foray into anime.  And while MST3K might not have been sci-fi in the strictest sense, the later seasons on the SyFy channel did have only sci-fi films.


They loosened that rule in the final season. That's how we got Diabolik and The Girl in the Gold Boots.

Their requirement for a serial plot in the host segments was asinine, though.
 
2013-03-05 08:56:21 PM  

Free Radical: Doctor Who is mediocre at best.


HEY! YOU TAKE THAT BACK!
 
2013-03-05 09:37:17 PM  

RexTalionis: Although the list is crap because Star Trek TOS was #6, which is pretty much BS.


Actually that's about right, as much as I love TOS it really hasn't held up to it's age well, even the remastered version.
 
2013-03-05 11:22:11 PM  
I think they are confusing fantasy with science fiction on several of those.  Off the top of my head: Lost, Jericho, Six Million Dollar Man, Nightrider, Life on Mars, Dollhouse and probably a couple I'm not thinking of don't really fall into sci-fi in my opinion. Some of them may have contained elements of science, but I don't believe that makes them sci-fi. Also, there may have been a few episodes of TheTwilight zone that were sci-fi'ish but overall I'd say no on that one too.
 
2013-03-06 01:08:20 AM  

Okoboji: WOW!  Battle Of The Planets!  I haven't thought about that show in decades!  Time to google some episodes!


My favorite show, when I was in the 2nd grade.
 
2013-03-06 01:09:53 AM  
Hello???? Am I being ignored for a reason or is it that no one even noticed NY comment which is germaine to the subject at hand. Does no one remember Space Giants are you all on a dr
Whogasm?
 
2013-03-06 01:23:29 AM  

Deltaqueen70: Hello???? Am I being ignored for a reason or is it that no one even noticed NY comment which is germaine to the subject at hand. Does no one remember Space Giants are you all on a dr
Whogasm?


Space Giants.. nope, don't remember a thing.
 
2013-03-06 01:48:04 AM  

I Ate Shergar: Badgers: Andromeda

Meh. It started out promisingly enough, but pretty much fell apart from the third season on.


It's what happens when you fire the head writer...

Still, the first 2.5 seasons were quite enjoyable.
 
2013-03-06 01:49:40 AM  

NeoCortex42: I wouldn't even put it above Lexx.


Lexx is difficult to rank - some of it was really quite good, while other episodes were absolutely unwatchable.

Alphax: My favorite show, when I was in the 2nd grade.


The key phrase being "in the 2nd grade". Do yourself a favor and don't try to re-watch it now.
 
2013-03-06 02:49:50 AM  

ReapTheChaos: I think they are confusing fantasy with science fiction on several of those.  Off the top of my head: Lost, Jericho, Six Million Dollar Man, Nightrider, Life on Mars, Dollhouse and probably a couple I'm not thinking of don't really fall into sci-fi in my opinion.


If you don't think Dollhouse is science fiction then you and I have vastly different definitions of the term.
 
2013-03-06 02:57:47 AM  

fusillade762: ReapTheChaos: I think they are confusing fantasy with science fiction on several of those.  Off the top of my head: Lost, Jericho, Six Million Dollar Man, Nightrider, Life on Mars, Dollhouse and probably a couple I'm not thinking of don't really fall into sci-fi in my opinion.

If you don't think Dollhouse is science fiction then you and I have vastly different definitions of the term.


Ok, so the 3 minutes of the show where they implanted the personality was science fiction, and the other 42 minutes was action. Better?
 
2013-03-06 03:19:49 AM  

ReapTheChaos: fusillade762: ReapTheChaos: I think they are confusing fantasy with science fiction on several of those.  Off the top of my head: Lost, Jericho, Six Million Dollar Man, Nightrider, Life on Mars, Dollhouse and probably a couple I'm not thinking of don't really fall into sci-fi in my opinion.

If you don't think Dollhouse is science fiction then you and I have vastly different definitions of the term.

Ok, so the 3 minutes of the show where they implanted the personality was science fiction, and the other 42 minutes was action. Better?


You didn't really watch the show, did you? Just because something doesn't take place in space doesn't mean it's not science fiction.
 
2013-03-06 03:25:36 AM  

fusillade762: ReapTheChaos: fusillade762: ReapTheChaos: I think they are confusing fantasy with science fiction on several of those.  Off the top of my head: Lost, Jericho, Six Million Dollar Man, Nightrider, Life on Mars, Dollhouse and probably a couple I'm not thinking of don't really fall into sci-fi in my opinion.

If you don't think Dollhouse is science fiction then you and I have vastly different definitions of the term.

Ok, so the 3 minutes of the show where they implanted the personality was science fiction, and the other 42 minutes was action. Better?

You didn't really watch the show, did you? Just because something doesn't take place in space doesn't mean it's not science fiction.


Every episode.
 
2013-03-06 06:51:05 AM  

ReapTheChaos: fusillade762: ReapTheChaos: fusillade762: ReapTheChaos: I think they are confusing fantasy with science fiction on several of those.  Off the top of my head: Lost, Jericho, Six Million Dollar Man, Nightrider, Life on Mars, Dollhouse and probably a couple I'm not thinking of don't really fall into sci-fi in my opinion.

If you don't think Dollhouse is science fiction then you and I have vastly different definitions of the term.

Ok, so the 3 minutes of the show where they implanted the personality was science fiction, and the other 42 minutes was action. Better?

You didn't really watch the show, did you? Just because something doesn't take place in space doesn't mean it's not science fiction.

Every episode.


What is your definition of science fiction, then? Dollhouse had a half dozen different kinds of mind control/storage/transfer. Topped by an apocalypse.
 
2013-03-06 08:16:39 AM  

fusillade762: ReapTheChaos: fusillade762: ReapTheChaos: fusillade762: ReapTheChaos: I think they are confusing fantasy with science fiction on several of those.  Off the top of my head: Lost, Jericho, Six Million Dollar Man, Nightrider, Life on Mars, Dollhouse and probably a couple I'm not thinking of don't really fall into sci-fi in my opinion.

If you don't think Dollhouse is science fiction then you and I have vastly different definitions of the term.

Ok, so the 3 minutes of the show where they implanted the personality was science fiction, and the other 42 minutes was action. Better?

You didn't really watch the show, did you? Just because something doesn't take place in space doesn't mean it's not science fiction.

Every episode.

What is your definition of science fiction, then? Dollhouse had a half dozen different kinds of mind control/storage/transfer. Topped by an apocalypse.


BUT YOUR SHOW IS STUPID. SO fark YOU.
 
2013-03-06 09:30:10 AM  
i49.tinypic.com
 
2013-03-06 02:41:59 PM  
No mention of Space Cases!? List and thread fails.

Get well soon, PAD!
 
2013-03-06 08:40:32 PM  

Badgers: I'd put Nowhere Man, Earth 2, First Wave or Andromeda over Torchwood.

/Probably not Earth: Final Conflict
//If you're going to put in cartoons, why not Adventure Time.


If you count Miracle Day, I'd put the whole damn list in front of Torchwood. If you only count Children of Earth, it could be near the top of the list.

But the lack of Space Cases, Mission Genesis/Deepwater Black, Hyperdrive . . .
 
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