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(Yahoo)   Brittney Griner fundamentals her way to 50 points in her last home game. And she threw in a dunk for good measure   (sports.yahoo.com) divider line 167
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2013-03-05 09:27:32 AM
And the game still got lower ratings than a PBA event
 
2013-03-05 09:37:35 AM
So that converts to what? 10 points against men?
 
2013-03-05 09:39:36 AM
That's one big biatch.
 
2013-03-05 09:40:05 AM
That guy can dunk.
 
2013-03-05 09:51:57 AM
You know what?  Good for Baylor.  They've had a great women's program the last several years, and it's refreshing considering what their men's program went through.
 
2013-03-05 09:52:20 AM
Her standing reach is listed as 9'2.  It'd be pretty strange if she couldn't dunk.
 
2013-03-05 10:02:02 AM
I saw this movie. In the end it turns out it was a Wayans brother in disguise all along.
 
2013-03-05 10:05:07 AM
How many people did she punch?
 
2013-03-05 10:08:36 AM
When the season was over, why, there were jobs galore
For the shorter ladies who played the game
But for Griner things were not so grand
At 6 foot 8 it's not so hard to understand

What can you do with a Griner
When she stops being a Griner?
Oh, what can you do with a Griner who retires?

Who's got a job for a Griner
When she stops being a Griner?
They all get a job but a Griner no one hires

They hand her tons of trophies when she's done dunking balls
And they pat her on the back when they hang her jersey on the walls
The next day someone hollers when she comes into view
"Here comes Brittney Griner" and they all say "Griner who?"

They're delighted that she came
But they can't recall her name

Nobody thinks of assigning her
When they stop wining and dining her
It seems this country never has enjoyed
So many 6 foot 8 basketball playing women
Unemployed
 
2013-03-05 10:14:03 AM
I can see a future career in the WNBA making this woman a thousandaire!
 
2013-03-05 10:25:43 AM
Still, Kevin James and/or Peter Dinklage could play one-on-one against her and win by 30.

/because, you know, the penis
 
2013-03-05 10:27:26 AM

js34603: So that converts to what? 10 points against men?


Said by a guy who can't beat her.

Guys used to say stuff like that to my sis, she stuffed everyone of them (one literally into a trashcan).  In HS, she only found one guy that she couldn't beat nor could he beat her, they played so often against each other that I thought they were going to start dating.  Instead I guess he was too jock for her, she was the quiet reading type off the court and married a laid back nice guy after college.

/My sis never did get away from basketball, she directs a recreation facility for Raliegh, NC.
//Her favorite quote "For a woman to be considered equal to a man, she has to do twice the work.  Luckily that is easy."
 
2013-03-05 10:35:28 AM
Should have been banned from the game 2 years ago.  One of the most pathetic cheap shots in sports history.
 
2013-03-05 10:39:09 AM
Was at the game, was freaking awesome.  Completely packed house, was so loud my ears didn't stop ringing for several house (I think the decible meter pegged at 120).  The women CAN play VERY well.  They're not as show-boaty as the guys, but they can play some ball.

/b..b..b..but FUNDAMENTALSderp
 
2013-03-05 10:43:20 AM

lack of warmth: //Her favorite quote "For a woman to be considered equal to a man, she has to do twice the work. Luckily that is easy."


No, for a woman to be considered equal, she needs to insist to compete against equal competition.

She doesn't, won't, and can't, as long as there's a women's league seperate from the men's league.  Let me know when she Jackie Robinson's the NBA.
 
2013-03-05 11:11:23 AM

Edward Rooney Dean of Students: Was at the game, was freaking awesome.  Completely packed house, was so loud my ears didn't stop ringing for several house (I think the decible meter pegged at 120).  The women CAN play VERY well.  They're not as show-boaty as the guys, but they can play some ball.

/b..b..b..but FUNDAMENTALSderp


They're slower, they're sloppier, they  and all it takes is one 6'8" player to dunk on a bunch of 6'1" forwards and 5'5" guards to realize you're watching the little league baseball game where the 12 year old kid with the mustache dominates.

I'm not trying to hate but there's a reason the sport is dominated by just Tennessee and UConn.
 
2013-03-05 11:22:48 AM

Mr Guy: lack of warmth: //Her favorite quote "For a woman to be considered equal to a man, she has to do twice the work. Luckily that is easy."

No, for a woman to be considered equal, she needs to insist to compete against equal competition.

She doesn't, won't, and can't, as long as there's a women's league seperate from the men's league.  Let me know when she Jackie Robinson's the NBA.


If you hate women so much, why are you on thread about a women's sport?  Are you needing help finding a lost tampon?  It was just a quote that she liked, not a threat.  Get a grip, man.

It is attitudes like that that always made her mad, not the NBA.  She didn't even plan on staying with sports after school, it's just what she fell into right after graduation and just kept getting promoted.  Her husband has been doing the same work and isn't as successful.  He is fine with it because he recognizes that she does do twice the work.  We have choice of all men or all women to watch, if you like watching all men, have at it.
 
2013-03-05 11:23:29 AM
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She showed some range, too. Two baskets that weren't basically layups over much shorter players. K State played no one over 5'11".
 
2013-03-05 11:47:48 AM

lack of warmth: //Her favorite quote "For a woman to be considered equal to a man, she has to do twice the work. Luckily that is easy."


Sounds like a real catch.
 
2013-03-05 11:49:57 AM

ChrisDe: [a.espncdn.com image 576x324]

She showed some range, too. Two baskets that weren't basically layups over much shorter players. K State played no one over 5'11".


One thing I can't understand is why more 3-pters aren't shot.  If 3-pt shots are part of the game (I played a lot of pick up games) I made the defense make me work inside, otherwise I would sit back and sink 3's.  When dad and sis played me they would insist on all shots being 1pt.  Well, more my dad than sis, he couldn't keep up.  However he was the one that taught me that strategy, and it is most likely why sis played point in school.  My dad played HS ball before the 3-pt line, he figured why waste time for less points.

I went looking, I am surprised that Griner was point, I figured her to be center or forward by the shooting pattern you showed.  That must've been some weak defense.  That or Griner is a ball hog.  I can't stand ball hogs and the coaches that tell the other players to feed the ball to the Jordan wanna be.
 
2013-03-05 11:57:01 AM

theurge14: Edward Rooney Dean of Students: Was at the game, was freaking awesome.  Completely packed house, was so loud my ears didn't stop ringing for several house (I think the decible meter pegged at 120).  The women CAN play VERY well.  They're not as show-boaty as the guys, but they can play some ball.

/b..b..b..but FUNDAMENTALSderp

They're slower, they're sloppier, they  and all it takes is one 6'8" player to dunk on a bunch of 6'1" forwards and 5'5" guards to realize you're watching the little league baseball game where the 12 year old kid with the mustache dominates.


Considering that there's about as much money for coaching and training in women's basketball as there is in boy's little league, that's not really as much of a statement as you'd think.

Unsurprisingly, if you go back to look at men's professional basketball in the 1910s and 1920s, you see salaries - and statistics - that are comparable to the WNBA now.
 
2013-03-05 11:57:55 AM

lack of warmth: js34603: So that converts to what? 10 points against men?

Said by a guy who can't beat her.

Guys used to say stuff like that to my sis, she stuffed everyone of them (one literally into a trashcan). In HS, she only found one guy that she couldn't beat nor could he beat her, they played so often against each other that I thought they were going to start dating. Instead I guess he was too jock for her, she was the quiet reading type off the court and married a laid back nice guy after college.

/My sis never did get away from basketball, she directs a recreation facility for Raliegh, NC.
//Her favorite quote "For a woman to be considered equal to a man, she has to do twice the work. Luckily that is easy."


Lulz. Your sister must have gone to a high school where all the boys were paraplegics.
 
2013-03-05 11:59:22 AM

lack of warmth: Mr Guy: lack of warmth: //Her favorite quote "For a woman to be considered equal to a man, she has to do twice the work. Luckily that is easy."

No, for a woman to be considered equal, she needs to insist to compete against equal competition.

She doesn't, won't, and can't, as long as there's a women's league seperate from the men's league.  Let me know when she Jackie Robinson's the NBA.

If you hate women so much, why are you on thread about a women's sport?  Are you needing help finding a lost tampon?  It was just a quote that she liked, not a threat.  Get a grip, man.

It is attitudes like that that always made her mad, not the NBA.  She didn't even plan on staying with sports after school, it's just what she fell into right after graduation and just kept getting promoted.  Her husband has been doing the same work and isn't as successful.  He is fine with it because he recognizes that she does do twice the work.  We have choice of all men or all women to watch, if you like watching all men, have at it.


Neither Griner nor your sister would score a point in the NBA unless they were left wide open/unguarded for a free shot.
 
2013-03-05 11:59:31 AM

lack of warmth: js34603: So that converts to what? 10 points against men?

Said by a guy who can't beat her.

Guys used to say stuff like that to my sis, she stuffed everyone of them (one literally into a trashcan).  In HS, she only found one guy that she couldn't beat nor could he beat her, they played so often against each other that I thought they were going to start dating.  Instead I guess he was too jock for her, she was the quiet reading type off the court and married a laid back nice guy after college.

/My sis never did get away from basketball, she directs a recreation facility for Raliegh, NC.
//Her favorite quote "For a woman to be considered equal to a man, she has to do twice the work.  Luckily that is easy."


so... this marriage of hers... is it open?
 
2013-03-05 12:01:13 PM

majestic: lack of warmth: Mr Guy: lack of warmth: //Her favorite quote "For a woman to be considered equal to a man, she has to do twice the work. Luckily that is easy."

No, for a woman to be considered equal, she needs to insist to compete against equal competition.

She doesn't, won't, and can't, as long as there's a women's league seperate from the men's league.  Let me know when she Jackie Robinson's the NBA.

If you hate women so much, why are you on thread about a women's sport?  Are you needing help finding a lost tampon?  It was just a quote that she liked, not a threat.  Get a grip, man.

It is attitudes like that that always made her mad, not the NBA.  She didn't even plan on staying with sports after school, it's just what she fell into right after graduation and just kept getting promoted.  Her husband has been doing the same work and isn't as successful.  He is fine with it because he recognizes that she does do twice the work.  We have choice of all men or all women to watch, if you like watching all men, have at it.

Neither Griner nor your sister would score a point in the NBA unless they were left wide open/unguarded for a free shot.


History seems to keep suggesting that if Griner were in a system with millions spent training and coaching her and a potential salary of millions, she'd do quite well. It further seems to keep suggesting that if you spend that money for several decades, the average talent - and physical size - goes up drastically.
 
2013-03-05 12:01:54 PM

majestic: Neither Griner nor your sister would score a point in the NBA unless they were left wide open/unguarded for a free shot.


You shush.  Dude played pick up games with dad in Flint, MI in the day.  You want to challenge knowledge like that?

/pick up games with 3's
//...must have been a tough cul de sac
 
2013-03-05 12:08:36 PM

Theaetetus: majestic: lack of warmth: Mr Guy: lack of warmth: //Her favorite quote "For a woman to be considered equal to a man, she has to do twice the work. Luckily that is easy."

No, for a woman to be considered equal, she needs to insist to compete against equal competition.

She doesn't, won't, and can't, as long as there's a women's league seperate from the men's league.  Let me know when she Jackie Robinson's the NBA.

If you hate women so much, why are you on thread about a women's sport?  Are you needing help finding a lost tampon?  It was just a quote that she liked, not a threat.  Get a grip, man.

It is attitudes like that that always made her mad, not the NBA.  She didn't even plan on staying with sports after school, it's just what she fell into right after graduation and just kept getting promoted.  Her husband has been doing the same work and isn't as successful.  He is fine with it because he recognizes that she does do twice the work.  We have choice of all men or all women to watch, if you like watching all men, have at it.

Neither Griner nor your sister would score a point in the NBA unless they were left wide open/unguarded for a free shot.

History seems to keep suggesting that if Griner were in a system with millions spent training and coaching her and a potential salary of millions, she'd do quite well. It further seems to keep suggesting that if you spend that money for several decades, the average talent - and physical size - goes up drastically.


Ya, well history also suggests that nobody wants to watch the WNBA. I like women and I like basketball. I don't like women's basketball.
 
2013-03-05 12:09:40 PM

majestic: Neither Griner nor your sister would score a point in the NBA unless they were left wide open/unguarded for a free shot.


Well, that IS the goal of every offensive possession.
 
2013-03-05 12:11:18 PM
The average WNBA player got $1076 per game in 2011.
In the early 1920s, men's ABL players made around $45-75 per game... which works out to about $1000 in today's money.

As noted above, currently UConn and Tennessee dominate women's basketball - the Harlem Rens and the Original Celtics dominated men's basketball at the time, with the Rens winning 120 of 128 games in 1932.
 
2013-03-05 12:12:37 PM

Theaetetus: The average WNBA player got $1076 per game in 2011.
In the early 1920s, men's ABL players made around $45-75 per game... which works out to about $1000 in today's money.

As noted above, currently UConn and Tennessee dominate women's basketball - the Harlem Rens and the Original Celtics dominated men's basketball at the time, with the Rens winning 120 of 128 games in 1932.


So, we can't be sure you are wrong until I've been dead for 50 years.  Got it.
 
2013-03-05 12:14:56 PM

lack of warmth: If you hate women so much, why are you on thread about a women's sport? Are you needing help finding a lost tampon? It was just a quote that she liked, not a threat. Get a grip, man.


You're very offended, given that her actions are consistent with my philosophy, more than her own.  Your sister found the best competition she could find, and measured herself against it.  She didn't claim victory when she was still only competing against the less worthy.  The WNBA is mocked because they insist so hard on an extremely obvious double standard, and people find that amusing.  I'm reasonably confident there's some women out there who could make it in the NBA, as guards, but not many.  People don't mock the WNBA exclusively because women are bad or misogyny; they mostly mock the people insisting that the women players are "just as good" as the equivalent male players, and we mock people who think you MUST be sexist to say that a 6'8" 200lbs women center would get absolutely destroyed by the male centers from college on up.  UNC has a couple freshman wings that clock in around 6'8, 220lbs and announcers can't stop going on about how they MAY have a chance to get physical ONCE they've put on another 20 lbs of muscle.
 
2013-03-05 12:17:17 PM

Mr Guy: I'm reasonably confident there's some women out there who could make it in the NBA, as guards, but not many


No. F*cking. Chance.
 
2013-03-05 12:21:02 PM

The Muthaship: Mr Guy: I'm reasonably confident there's some women out there who could make it in the NBA, as guards, but not many

No. F*cking. Chance.


I'm not sure there isn't at least one woman on an WNBA roster that couldn't beat out, some of the rookie phenoms, at least for a position on the team and a chance, as a shooting guard.
 
2013-03-05 12:25:21 PM

Mr Guy: lack of warmth: If you hate women so much, why are you on thread about a women's sport? Are you needing help finding a lost tampon? It was just a quote that she liked, not a threat. Get a grip, man.

You're very offended, given that her actions are consistent with my philosophy, more than her own.  Your sister found the best competition she could find, and measured herself against it.  She didn't claim victory when she was still only competing against the less worthy.  The WNBA is mocked because they insist so hard on an extremely obvious double standard, and people find that amusing.  I'm reasonably confident there's some women out there who could make it in the NBA, as guards, but not many.  People don't mock the WNBA exclusively because women are bad or misogyny; they mostly mock the people insisting that the women players are "just as good" as the equivalent male players, and we mock people who think you MUST be sexist to say that a 6'8" 200lbs women center would get absolutely destroyed by the male centers from college on up High School.  UNC has a couple freshman wings that clock in around 6'8, 220lbs and announcers can't stop going on about how they MAY have a chance to get physical ONCE they've put on another 20 lbs of muscle.


Amended for fact.
 
2013-03-05 12:28:12 PM
Griner's a 6'8", 200lb post player going up against 5'10, 150lb girls

Color me unimpressed.
 
2013-03-05 12:30:55 PM

The Muthaship: Theaetetus: The average WNBA player got $1076 per game in 2011.
In the early 1920s, men's ABL players made around $45-75 per game... which works out to about $1000 in today's money.

As noted above, currently UConn and Tennessee dominate women's basketball - the Harlem Rens and the Original Celtics dominated men's basketball at the time, with the Rens winning 120 of 128 games in 1932.

So, we can't be sure you are wrong until I've been dead for 50 years.  Got it.


Sounds good. You should start now.
 
2013-03-05 12:32:06 PM

Mr Guy: I'm not sure there isn't at least one woman on an WNBA roster that couldn't beat out, some of the rookie phenoms, at least for a position on the team and a chance, as a shooting guard.


The average NBA 2 guard is 6'5.  You could probably find a woman who was an acceptable spot up shooter from 25 feet but she'd be too small and slow to consistently get open or play any defense at all.

The average NBDL team would wipe the floor with top tier NCAAM teams.  The NBA only has about 400 players; there are very good players who don't make the cut.
 
2013-03-05 12:36:16 PM

buttery_shame_cave: lack of warmth: js34603: So that converts to what? 10 points against men?

Said by a guy who can't beat her.

Guys used to say stuff like that to my sis, she stuffed everyone of them (one literally into a trashcan).  In HS, she only found one guy that she couldn't beat nor could he beat her, they played so often against each other that I thought they were going to start dating.  Instead I guess he was too jock for her, she was the quiet reading type off the court and married a laid back nice guy after college.

/My sis never did get away from basketball, she directs a recreation facility for Raliegh, NC.
//Her favorite quote "For a woman to be considered equal to a man, she has to do twice the work.  Luckily that is easy."

so... this marriage of hers... is it open?


I would hope so for her husband's sake. Otherwise he's probably living a miserable existence.
 
2013-03-05 12:37:15 PM

gtfan92: Griner's a 6'8", 200lb post player going up against 5'10, 150lb girls

Color me unimpressed.


The "big guy" on the Original Celtics, the first dominant player, was Dutch Dehnert...who was 6'1 and 200 pounds. Many other players were 5'10" or shorter.

All this has happened before.

/check out these incredible championship game scores
 
2013-03-05 12:40:13 PM

Theaetetus: gtfan92: Griner's a 6'8", 200lb post player going up against 5'10, 150lb girls

Color me unimpressed.

The "big guy" on the Original Celtics, the first dominant player, was Dutch Dehnert...who was 6'1 and 200 pounds. Many other players were 5'10" or shorter.

All this has happened before.

/check out these incredible championship game scores


I'm not sure how this is supposed to alter my opinion. That guy was playing against people that he had an 18 inch standing reach advantage over?
 
2013-03-05 12:41:35 PM

you have pee hands: Mr Guy: I'm not sure there isn't at least one woman on an WNBA roster that couldn't beat out, some of the rookie phenoms, at least for a position on the team and a chance, as a shooting guard.

The average NBA 2 guard is 6'5.  You could probably find a woman who was an acceptable spot up shooter from 25 feet but she'd be too small and slow to consistently get open or play any defense at all.

The average NBDL team would wipe the floor with top tier NCAAM teams.  The NBA only has about 400 players; there are very good players who don't make the cut.


that would be a very interesting game to watch.

hear me out.

the pros would walk with with exactly the attitude you state here. the college kids would be going 'okay this is our chance to show what we have against the big guys.

it might not end well but the first half would be pretty solidly entertaining as the college kids play to beat the pros, and the pros kinda go 'ehhh, they're just kids.'
 
2013-03-05 12:43:50 PM

buttery_shame_cave: it might not end well but the first half would be pretty solidly entertaining as the college kids play to beat the pros, and the pros kinda go 'ehhh, they're just kids.'


Actually, probably wouldn't go that way. Pros aren't likely to underestimate the people they beat out for those spots.
 
2013-03-05 12:46:50 PM

Mr Guy: buttery_shame_cave: it might not end well but the first half would be pretty solidly entertaining as the college kids play to beat the pros, and the pros kinda go 'ehhh, they're just kids.'

Actually, probably wouldn't go that way. Pros aren't likely to underestimate the people they beat out for those spots.


Is this where I point out that former college sensations Michael Beasley and Austin Rivers are currently two of the worst players in the NBA?
 
2013-03-05 12:48:39 PM
The Blazers have to draft this guy.  Would be way more productive than Oden ever was.
 
2013-03-05 12:54:26 PM
Why won't more men watch women's basketball? Why? Note that if the list exceeds 100 thousand litigimate reasons then you must list in alphabetical order.
 
2013-03-05 12:58:03 PM

buttery_shame_cave: the pros would walk with with exactly the attitude you state here. the college kids would be going 'okay this is our chance to show what we have against the big guys.


Yeah, I might be underselling the college team's chances a little.  The NBDL teams have a lot more talent but as teams they're sort of farked up; they're not really a true player development farm system like baseball or hockey so the guys are playing as much to try to get noticed by an NBA team that needs a 12th man as to actually win games.  I'd still give the pros 9 of 10 games at least especially if you went with the professional game length, shot clock, and 3 pt line.
 
2013-03-05 12:59:50 PM

Theaetetus: check out these incredible championship game scores


In the interest of full disclosure, let's point out that there was no shot clock at the time. College basketball is almost unbearable to watch when you see defense shut down three attempts to go inside...and then the offense STILL has another 15 seconds of possession...I can only imagine how boring non-shot-clock basketball was. No reason you shouldn't score on every possession if you have forever to get the shot you want.

However, I agree with you that the implication when people bring up the "still not as good as a man would do" is that the women's game either isn't worth watching or that it isn't as entertaining as the men's game.

And if you're a college basketball fan, people, you can't claim that you're all about watching the best, because you enjoy college basketball and you're often criticizing the NBA as well for other reasons that are shown to be idiotic.

How are women supposed to get better at basketball if they don't have the opportunity to play and have a professional career track within the sport? To Theaetatus' point regarding the early 20th century, you'll notice that when there was not much money to be made in the basketball profession for men, there was not much progress in the athleticism or ability of men. When it became an option is when people began to develop their talents to suit that game.

Similarly, there has been no real outlet for women to play at a professional level until relatively recently; of course the talent isn't going to be as developed, the coaches probably aren't as good (if they are, then they're as good AND they're not tempted by money to go over tot coaching men, which would be far more lucrative), and there isn't the system.

It's one of those things where you have to change the institution and society, then, perhaps a century from the point it begins, you might be able to evaluate things on an even playing field. And that's if everything goes smoothly and things are actually equal from that point forward.

In short; no, women are not as good as men are currently. However, there are many factors that contribute to this, none of which are due to an innate superiority of men/inferiority of women at sport.
 
2013-03-05 01:02:30 PM

buttery_shame_cave: the pros would walk with with exactly the attitude you state here.


Because the NBDL is full of guys who know that they're the best...even though they've already basically had at least one shot at the NBA and been told they're not good enough. Whereas those college kids who assume they're going to be in the NBA would clearly have no attitude like they're better than guys who couldn't make it to the league.
 
2013-03-05 01:04:36 PM
The best womens guard in the world is about at the same level as an all state high school boy. Maya Moore for example. Shed get absolutely destroyed in mens college ball. She could maybe play d2. Even there she would get scored on all the time and get her shots sent into the stands. a 6-8 200 pound male basketball player would shiat all over a 6-8 220 pound female player. there just is no comparison. People don't understand how fast and strong and how high these guys can jump. They are freaks of nature. cooper from Houston was the best womens player I ever saw. I never saw Donavan or blazejowski. Cooper could maybe play point at a small sorry d1 school at her absolute peak. She get roasted by the pg from Michigan.
 
2013-03-05 01:07:30 PM

Boxingoutsider: there just is no comparison.


Then why is the rest of the paragraph you wrote a comparison?
 
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