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(Washington Post)   The GOP: "shiat just got real" as they realize it's no longer a matter of if, but which campaign promises will be broken. The sound the GOP hears behind it is the Tea Party sharpening its knife   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 160
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2013-03-05 09:29:44 AM
"One of the last presidents to balance the budget was Herbert Hoover," King added darkly.


So, Clinton's budget surplus when he left office was.....?
Do ANY republicans have a sense of history?
 
2013-03-05 09:31:42 AM

johnnyrocket: Soon reality will set in, and these folks will fade away into history.


Uh, you know what they say about those who fail history, right? img.timeinc.net
These LARPers look they were couldn't have been the valedictorians of their mothers' classroom.
 
2013-03-05 09:34:16 AM

GoodyearPimp: GoldSpider: Who knew that cognitive dissonance was a poor campaign platform?

The problem is that it worked so well in the past.



Yes, but the past = pre-internet.
 
2013-03-05 09:34:29 AM
"Sharpening 'it is' knives"? That's apostrophe abuse at least twice in one morning. Is someone trolling for attention or are there people who are still this f'g retarded?
 
2013-03-05 09:36:23 AM

GoldSpider: Who knew that cognitive dissonance was a poor campaign platform?


It isn't.
 
2013-03-05 09:46:38 AM

Diagonal: "Sharpening 'it is' knives"? That's apostrophe abuse at least twice in one morning. Is someone trolling for attention or are there people who are still this f'g retarded?


Came for this. Leaving satisfied.

The GOP can get bent. Enjoy your 2014 feces blast, you snivelling stewards of the rich and religious.
 
2013-03-05 09:47:28 AM

sammyk: Granny_Panties: Skarekrough: Summoner101: 2014 is going to be an interesting election year.

The GOP better have this all planned out or it's going to be a shiatstorm for them.

You guys were saying that in 2010 and look what happened. If the GOP can keep the economy in the crapper, then 2014 will be another clean sweep for them. You underestimate how dumb and short sighted people can be.

My prediction?

The spending cuts put us back into recession and the GOP wins every election in 2014. The American people are ready to give into the terrorists.

Will your grannies panties be so enthusiastic about voting if they cut her medicare to protect tax cuts for the rich?


Just look into the screen and listen to Fox News. They will tell grandma the truth. Republicans are only cutting off the Negros and illegals. Obama is going after old white people. Ooga Booga Booga!

60% of voters will blame Obama for everything. Book it, done.
 
2013-03-05 09:51:28 AM
But look, the Dow just reached a new record high, isn't everybody rich now?
 
2013-03-05 09:54:05 AM

b0rscht: But look, the Dow just reached a new record high, isn't everybody rich now?


It's a miracle the blessed job-creators are able to make a penny, what with all their riches being stolen by Comrade Generalissimo Obama, the socialist-est socialist to ever socialist a socialist. Surely their workers will be freed from their FEMA gulags any day now.
 
2013-03-05 09:54:43 AM
Remember when Republicans were trying to pin a $716 billion in cuts to Medicare on Obama?  These cuts were supposed to make him history's greatest monster.  Yet every other second Republicans are proposing to cut Medicare.
 
Bf+
2013-03-05 09:55:42 AM
The knife:
www.pocketknivesmall.com
/it is knife?
 
2013-03-05 09:59:40 AM
Skinnyhead hasn't got his marching orders on his paid shill job here yet folks. Give him time.
 
2013-03-05 10:06:37 AM
The very best thing for the tea party assholes that are holding things up would be for Boehner to cut a weak deal with Obama that includes new revenue before this shiat gets rolling. As of yet, the hard line budget hawks have been able to shout their demands into the wind, throwing a wrench in the process, fear mongering and making bold claims, all without getting called on their bullshiat. How can you prove that they're wrong, when what they're calling for is a scenario that hasn't and won't happen? How can you prove that the massive budget cuts they're proposing won't lead to the flourishing economy that they're dreaming of?

Well, if this shiat continues, that'll change. Even though these cuts are ugly and poorly done, when you think about it, is there really anything that the tea party types wouldn't cut if they could? Aid for the elderly, rental assistance, head start? Even defense spending, government employee pay... This sequester is basically an opportunity for president obama and establishment republicans to tell America: "This is what these people want for you. This is how they see America."

I have been sick over it. I'm a republican and I do want the deficit to be cut, but this is going to backfire and I know it. They're so stupid, these people are welcoming this shiat like it's a step in the right direction. It's unbelievable how incredibly short sighted they are. But you know, for saying this, I've been laughed at, called a liberal, told to get my nose out of Obama's ass, called an idiot, told to stop watching TV (that I don't actually watch) and to stop drinking the koolaid (which is hfcs and caffeine free so I don't get what the deal is.)

At this point, whatever. If the idiots wants to laugh about their own damn destruction, bring it. At least maybe we can get shiat done after this.

I hope that when this is all over and it plays out as I said, one of you will remember and high five me. I may be watching the destruction of my entire party, but at least I can enjoy being right.
 
2013-03-05 10:08:09 AM

Granny_Panties: 60% of voters will blame Obama for everything. Book it, done.


You say that in jest, but Obama's approval ratings just fell into the 40s for the first time in a while. While that's not horrible (and it's at least 15 points better than Bush's second-term), it's a loss of about 5-8 points at present, and for a president who needs to get some big things done and soon (the CR at month's end, immigration, guns, sequester) PLUS the midterms gearing up in a little over a year it comes at a pretty shiatty time.

Maybe it's just low-information folks, maybe it's the "bof sidez bad" crowd, but the president needs political capital to get things done, and even more when the argument is contentious and the opposition is unified and derpy.
 
2013-03-05 10:11:54 AM

Skarekrough: Summoner101: 2014 is going to be an interesting election year.

The GOP better have this all planned out or it's going to be a shiatstorm for them.


Well, it's going to be a shiatstorm either way.

It's possible that it will be a shiatstorm that they'll win, but it will not be pretty, either way.
 
2013-03-05 10:13:32 AM

Granny_Panties: sammyk: Granny_Panties: Skarekrough: Summoner101: 2014 is going to be an interesting election year.

The GOP better have this all planned out or it's going to be a shiatstorm for them.

You guys were saying that in 2010 and look what happened. If the GOP can keep the economy in the crapper, then 2014 will be another clean sweep for them. You underestimate how dumb and short sighted people can be.

My prediction?

The spending cuts put us back into recession and the GOP wins every election in 2014. The American people are ready to give into the terrorists.

Will your grannies panties be so enthusiastic about voting if they cut her medicare to protect tax cuts for the rich?

Just look into the screen and listen to Fox News. They will tell grandma the truth. Republicans are only cutting off the Negros and illegals. Obama is going after old white people. Ooga Booga Booga!

60% of voters will blame Obama for everything. Book it, done.


I know it's been that way for far too long. But there are cracks in the armor and that spell is losing its effectiveness. Consider the much lower ratings for Fox after the 2012 election. Republicans also had much lower voter turnout in 2012 than you would expect in a presidential election year. They lost what should have been an easy presidential election and lost ground in both houses. You do not see coordinated tea party rallies accross the country like we saw in 2009. In short, all sign indicate the outrage machine is losing steam. I don't see anything to make me think the republicans will be able to repeat the very high turn out they got in 2010. They will most likley double down on a strategy that was once effective but has turned into a loser. When granny gets her medicare benefits cut she's gonna notice.
 
2013-03-05 10:16:24 AM

Diagonal: "Sharpening 'it is' knives"? That's apostrophe abuse at least twice in one morning. Is someone trolling for attention or are there people who are still this f'g retarded?


A possessive would have the apostrophe too...
 
2013-03-05 10:16:51 AM
Nishu:  stop drinking the koolaid (which is hfcs and caffeine free so I don't get what the deal is.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven%27s_Gate_%28religious_group%29#M as s_suicide_and_aftermath
And now you know.
 
2013-03-05 10:19:24 AM

WaitWhatWhy: Nishu:  stop drinking the koolaid (which is hfcs and caffeine free so I don't get what the deal is.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven%27s_Gate_%28religious_group%29#M as s_suicide_and_aftermath
And now you know.


I knew the story. I was making a joke. Are you a republican, too? Normally when I'm addressing republicans, I try to actually say "that was a joke" in order to avoid any confusion.
 
2013-03-05 10:20:40 AM

WaitWhatWhy: Nishu:  stop drinking the koolaid (which is hfcs and caffeine free so I don't get what the deal is.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven%27s_Gate_%28religious_group%29#M as s_suicide_and_aftermath
And now you know.


But thank you just the same. I wonder is most people know that story, or if they just repeat that line not realizing where it came from?
 
2013-03-05 10:24:14 AM

earthworm2.0: Diagonal: "Sharpening 'it is' knives"? That's apostrophe abuse at least twice in one morning. Is someone trolling for attention or are there people who are still this f'g retarded?

A possessive would have the apostrophe too...


Bob disagrees:

www.angryflower.com

/"English, motherfarker - do you speak it?"
 
2013-03-05 10:24:41 AM

earthworm2.0: Diagonal: "Sharpening 'it is' knives"? That's apostrophe abuse at least twice in one morning. Is someone trolling for attention or are there people who are still this f'g retarded?

A possessive would have the apostrophe too...




No. How to use an apostrophe.
 
2013-03-05 10:25:37 AM

Lord_Baull: "One of the last presidents to balance the budget was Herbert Hoover," King added darkly.


So, Clinton's budget surplus when he left office was.....?
Do ANY republicans have a sense of history?


Clinton's surplus doesn't count because cooking the books tech bubble WHARRGARBL
 
2013-03-05 10:27:05 AM
I just want to point out that in none of the quotes from Republicans did they mention anything about rape.  Now if they can just do that for the rest of the week.
 
bav
2013-03-05 10:27:10 AM

WaitWhatWhy: Nishu:  stop drinking the koolaid (which is hfcs and caffeine free so I don't get what the deal is.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven%27s_Gate_%28religious_group%29#M as s_suicide_and_aftermath
And now you know.


Sure you're not thinking of Jonestown?
 
2013-03-05 10:41:13 AM

bav: WaitWhatWhy: Nishu:  stop drinking the koolaid (which is hfcs and caffeine free so I don't get what the deal is.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven%27s_Gate_%28religious_group%29#M as s_suicide_and_aftermath
And now you know.

Sure you're not thinking of Jonestown?


Wasn't Jonestown Flavor-Aide?
 
2013-03-05 10:43:23 AM
Republican goal to balance budget ...

... strategy of appeasement toward fiscal hard-liners ...



Debt is a tool. It has advantages and disadvantages, costs (which are quantifiable) and benefits. It's not some quasi-theological construct similar to "sin".

Similarly a balanced budget is a real thing with quantifiable advantages and disadvantages to be weighed, but Republican "leaders" treat it as a theological construct that imbues us with magical blessings. Or maybe it's just a fetish.

When I hear some actual analysis with numbers and shiat from Repubs on costs/benefits instead of OH NOES OUR GRANDCHILDRENZ ALL SADDLED WITH DEBT I'll ... oh never mind, that'll never happen.
 
2013-03-05 10:46:26 AM

Gergesa: I just want to point out that in none of the quotes from Republicans did they mention anything about rape.  Now if they can just do that for the rest of the week.


It's early on a tuesday.  Give it time.
 
2013-03-05 10:48:08 AM
What they do!
 
2013-03-05 10:49:41 AM

imontheinternet: The US is selling bonds at incredibly low interest rates, sometimes even at negative rates.  The idea that federal spending is a pressing problem that must be dealt with immediately is ridiculous.  We can worry about making cuts once the recovery gains some steam.


Yeah, this. It's telling how far right the country is when during a sluggish economy one side is saying "We need to reduce the deficit by cutting spending" and the other side is arguing "We need to reduce the deficit by cutting spending and raising taxes." Meanwhile anyone with economic sense would counter with "we need a trillion dollar stimulus that is all spending, not tax cuts."
 
2013-03-05 10:50:44 AM
New GOP strategy: Starve our base.
 
2013-03-05 10:52:10 AM
Lord_Baull:

So, Clinton's budget surplus when he left office was.....?  A myth

In the late 1990s, the government was running what it -- and a largely unquestioning Washington press corps -- called budget "surpluses." But the national debt still increased in every single one of those years because the government was borrowing money to create the "surpluses."

Both Democrats and Republicans are all running this year and next and saying surplus, surplus. Look what we have done.

It is false. The actual figures show that from the beginning of the fiscal year until now we had to borrow $127,800,000,000. -  Democratic Senator Ernest Hollings, October 28, 1999

http://www.c-spanarchives.org/congress/?q=node/77531&id=8712130


 
2013-03-05 10:59:05 AM

Nishu: The very best thing for the tea party assholes that are holding things up would be for Boehner to cut a weak deal with Obama that includes new revenue before this shiat gets rolling. As of yet, the hard line budget hawks have been able to shout their demands into the wind, throwing a wrench in the process, fear mongering and making bold claims, all without getting called on their bullshiat. How can you prove that they're wrong, when what they're calling for is a scenario that hasn't and won't happen? How can you prove that the massive budget cuts they're proposing won't lead to the flourishing economy that they're dreaming of?

Well, if this shiat continues, that'll change. Even though these cuts are ugly and poorly done, when you think about it, is there really anything that the tea party types wouldn't cut if they could? Aid for the elderly, rental assistance, head start? Even defense spending, government employee pay... This sequester is basically an opportunity for president obama and establishment republicans to tell America: "This is what these people want for you. This is how they see America."

I have been sick over it. I'm a republican and I do want the deficit to be cut, but this is going to backfire and I know it. They're so stupid, these people are welcoming this shiat like it's a step in the right direction. It's unbelievable how incredibly short sighted they are. But you know, for saying this, I've been laughed at, called a liberal, told to get my nose out of Obama's ass, called an idiot, told to stop watching TV (that I don't actually watch) and to stop drinking the koolaid (which is hfcs and caffeine free so I don't get what the deal is.)

At this point, whatever. If the idiots wants to laugh about their own damn destruction, bring it. At least maybe we can get shiat done after this.

I hope that when this is all over and it plays out as I said, one of you will remember and high five me. I may be watching the destruction of my entire party, but at le ...


You're one of the few sane Republicans left, I think.  Which raises the question: why are you still a Republican?  It must be readily apparent to you by now that your party does not stand for what you think it stands for; it stands with the teatards, with the rich, and with the most fundamentalist and hateful of American religious elements.  I'm not saying you need to go sign up with the Democrats or anything (though they are, by and large, the new center-right party), but I think it's time you examined what, exactly, you're getting from your affiliation with the GOP.
 
2013-03-05 11:09:06 AM

Zeb Hesselgresser: Lord_Baull:

So, Clinton's budget surplus when he left office was.....?  A myth

In the late 1990s, the government was running what it -- and a largely unquestioning Washington press corps -- called budget "surpluses." But the national debt still increased in every single one of those years because the government was borrowing money to create the "surpluses."

Both Democrats and Republicans are all running this year and next and saying surplus, surplus. Look what we have done.

It is false. The actual figures show that from the beginning of the fiscal year until now we had to borrow $127,800,000,000. -  Democratic Senator Ernest Hollings, October 28, 1999

http://www.c-spanarchives.org/congress/?q=node/77531&id=8712130


Not saying you're wrong, haven't had time to do enough reserach... but  http://factcheck.org/2008/02/the-budget-and-deficit-under-clinton/  says you're wrong. The confusion seems to be based on what type of accounting you use. If you use corporate style accounting (which the government never has) a deficit might be shown. But with our government's historical accounting it would definitely be a surplus.

I would love to read up on any info you might have (that doesn't come from opinion pieces or blogs - you know, actual research).
 
2013-03-05 11:09:40 AM
 HeartBurnKid: You're one of the few sane Republicans left, I think.  Which raises the question: why are you still a Republican?  It must be readily apparent to you by now that your party does not stand for what you think it stands for; it stands with the teatards, with the rich, and with the most fundamentalist and hateful of American religious elements.  I'm not saying you need to go sign up with the Democrats or anything (though they are, by and large, the new center-right party), but I think it's time you examined what, exactly, you're getting from your affiliation with the GOP.

:( 

I have considered calling myself a democrat... just to try it on for awhile, see how it feels. Not because I am a democrat, but I figure since Repubs can't get shiat done anyway, I might as well see what it's like to not be consistently embarrassed by the incompetence of your own damn party. 

I joke about it, but I'm genuinely depressed about how this shiat is playing out. I know that sounds really lame but the mistake we're about to make, I think, can end any discussion about the debt. 

And what I don't joke about, what isn't so funny, is the utter lack of empathy for the people who will be hurt by this. I'm ashamed by how my party is reacting to the news of furloughs, firings and lack of access to aid that's going to happen because of this. I don't know what I get from being a republican any more.

For a long time, starting maybe ten years ago, I called myself a libertarian because of my disgust with the party. Then libertarianism became "the thing" and I got to meet a whole bunch of other libertarians, especially young ones, and I was like "No, nevermind. I'm a republican." 

I don't know. I kinda feel like a political vagabond right now.
 
2013-03-05 11:14:04 AM

lilDave22: Not saying you're wrong, haven't had time to do enough reserach... but http://factcheck.org/2008/02/the-budget-and-deficit-under-clinton/ says you're wrong. The confusion seems to be based on what type of accounting you use. If you use corporate style accounting (which the government never has) a deficit might be shown. But with our government's historical accounting it would definitely be a surplus.

I would love to read up on any info you might have (that doesn't come from opinion pieces or blogs - you know, actual research).



Can we just use an accounting method the rest of the world uses for once, instead of fudging the numbers? Actual friggin numbers.
 
2013-03-05 11:14:37 AM

Dr Dreidel: Granny_Panties: 60% of voters will blame Obama for everything. Book it, done.

You say that in jest, but Obama's approval ratings just fell into the 40s for the first time in a while. While that's not horrible (and it's at least 15 points better than Bush's second-term), it's a loss of about 5-8 points at present, and for a president who needs to get some big things done and soon (the CR at month's end, immigration, guns, sequester) PLUS the midterms gearing up in a little over a year it comes at a pretty shiatty time.

Maybe it's just low-information folks, maybe it's the "bof sidez bad" crowd, but the president needs political capital to get things done, and even more when the argument is contentious and the opposition is unified and derpy.


This will so ruin his chances for a third term in office, amirite?!

It's a lame duck term, meaning his approval rating means fark all. Plus I still consider it a win if congress and the GOP have an approval rating lower than cancer. Still the lesser of two evils... he can be the bad guy if it gets shiat done.
 
2013-03-05 11:15:28 AM

Nishu: HeartBurnKid: You're one of the few sane Republicans left, I think.  Which raises the question: why are you still a Republican?  It must be readily apparent to you by now that your party does not stand for what you think it stands for; it stands with the teatards, with the rich, and with the most fundamentalist and hateful of American religious elements.  I'm not saying you need to go sign up with the Democrats or anything (though they are, by and large, the new center-right party), but I think it's time you examined what, exactly, you're getting from your affiliation with the GOP.

:( 

I have considered calling myself a democrat... just to try it on for awhile, see how it feels. Not because I am a democrat, but I figure since Repubs can't get shiat done anyway, I might as well see what it's like to not be consistently embarrassed by the incompetence of your own damn party. 

I joke about it, but I'm genuinely depressed about how this shiat is playing out. I know that sounds really lame but the mistake we're about to make, I think, can end any discussion about the debt. 

And what I don't joke about, what isn't so funny, is the utter lack of empathy for the people who will be hurt by this. I'm ashamed by how my party is reacting to the news of furloughs, firings and lack of access to aid that's going to happen because of this. I don't know what I get from being a republican any more.

For a long time, starting maybe ten years ago, I called myself a libertarian because of my disgust with the party. Then libertarianism became "the thing" and I got to meet a whole bunch of other libertarians, especially young ones, and I was like "No, nevermind. I'm a republican." 

I don't know. I kinda feel like a political vagabond right now.



You sound like a FARK IndependentTM but without the hypocrisy.
 
2013-03-05 11:16:08 AM
It will be interesting if the Continuing Resolution is used for the rest of the year, which basically means 2012 spending levels for everything.  While the DoD budget was scheduled to go down by 10 billion between 2012 and 2013, if we stick with the FY12 budget, 2012 spending levels will be invoked, minus the sequester amount of approximatly 42 billion, leaving a net drop of 32 billion.  The use of the 2012 budget numbers partially negates the effect of the Sequester in 2013 for DoD, so by using just the CRA approach, the budget yields 10 billion more to DoD in FY13, and presumably 5 billion more in the 2nd half, than was requested in FY13. So this isn't exactly news - except in the execution phase - proposal wise, it's possible this is what Republicans were banking on....

However, since Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid were scheduled to go up in FY13, if they have to live within the means of FY12, it would actually be a fairly significant reduction - something like 200 Billion less for those programs (based on expenditures - but 2012 was probably influenced downward due to the Tax Relief bill in February of last year - which cut some healthcare benefits), which will probably begin to bite hard towards the end of the FY.  I think I interpreted some of this correctly, but I'm sure some of my Fark brethren will correct me.....lovingly, of course.

If I got it mostly right, and that continues, granny might actually notice it.
 
2013-03-05 11:16:41 AM

Lord_Baull: lilDave22: Not saying you're wrong, haven't had time to do enough reserach... but http://factcheck.org/2008/02/the-budget-and-deficit-under-clinton/ says you're wrong. The confusion seems to be based on what type of accounting you use. If you use corporate style accounting (which the government never has) a deficit might be shown. But with our government's historical accounting it would definitely be a surplus.

I would love to read up on any info you might have (that doesn't come from opinion pieces or blogs - you know, actual research).


Can we just use an accounting method the rest of the world uses for once, instead of fudging the numbers? Actual friggin numbers.


Its the same accounting our government has always used. Cash based accounting. Corporate accounting is not any more "real". It was specifically designed to put the numbers in the best possible light. For instance, corporations use LIFO for cost accouting. They do this because it gives the best profit margin on items sold. No company anywhere actually uses LIFO operationally.
 
2013-03-05 11:20:00 AM

Nishu: I have considered calling myself a democrat... just to try it on for awhile, see how it feels.


upload.wikimedia.org
It's cool, a lotta Republicans do that.
 
2013-03-05 11:24:52 AM

Zeb Hesselgresser: Lord_Baull:

So, Clinton's budget surplus when he left office was.....?  A myth

In the late 1990s, the government was running what it -- and a largely unquestioning Washington press corps -- called budget "surpluses." But the national debt still increased in every single one of those years because the government was borrowing money to create the "surpluses."

Both Democrats and Republicans are all running this year and next and saying surplus, surplus. Look what we have done.

It is false. The actual figures show that from the beginning of the fiscal year until now we had to borrow $127,800,000,000. -  Democratic Senator Ernest Hollings, October 28, 1999

http://www.c-spanarchives.org/congress/?q=node/77531&id=8712130


and yet;

http://www.npr.org/2011/06/07/137009472/ten-years-of-bush-tax-cuts

http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-201_162-274334.htm
 
2013-03-05 11:26:30 AM

bav: WaitWhatWhy: Nishu:  stop drinking the koolaid (which is hfcs and caffeine free so I don't get what the deal is.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven%27s_Gate_%28religious_group%29#M as s_suicide_and_aftermath
And now you know.

Sure you're not thinking of Jonestown?


Sure you're not thinking of the Acid Test?
 
2013-03-05 11:26:49 AM

HeartBurnKid: Nishu: The very best thing for the tea party assholes that are holding things up would be for Boehner to cut a weak deal with Obama that includes new revenue before this shiat gets rolling. As of yet, the hard line budget hawks have been able to shout their demands into the wind, throwing a wrench in the process, fear mongering and making bold claims, all without getting called on their bullshiat. How can you prove that they're wrong, when what they're calling for is a scenario that hasn't and won't happen? How can you prove that the massive budget cuts they're proposing won't lead to the flourishing economy that they're dreaming of?

Well, if this shiat continues, that'll change. Even though these cuts are ugly and poorly done, when you think about it, is there really anything that the tea party types wouldn't cut if they could? Aid for the elderly, rental assistance, head start? Even defense spending, government employee pay... This sequester is basically an opportunity for president obama and establishment republicans to tell America: "This is what these people want for you. This is how they see America."

I have been sick over it. I'm a republican and I do want the deficit to be cut, but this is going to backfire and I know it. They're so stupid, these people are welcoming this shiat like it's a step in the right direction. It's unbelievable how incredibly short sighted they are. But you know, for saying this, I've been laughed at, called a liberal, told to get my nose out of Obama's ass, called an idiot, told to stop watching TV (that I don't actually watch) and to stop drinking the koolaid (which is hfcs and caffeine free so I don't get what the deal is.)

At this point, whatever. If the idiots wants to laugh about their own damn destruction, bring it. At least maybe we can get shiat done after this.

I hope that when this is all over and it plays out as I said, one of you will remember and high five me. I may be watching the destruction of my entire party, but at le ...

You're one of the few sane Republicans left, I think.  Which raises the question: why are you still a Republican?  It must be readily apparent to you by now that your party does not stand for what you think it stands for; it stands with the teatards, with the rich, and with the most fundamentalist and hateful of American religious elements.  I'm not saying you need to go sign up with the Democrats or anything (though they are, by and large, the new center-right party), but I think it's time you examined what, exactly, you're getting from your affiliation with the GOP.


I've been on fark since 2002, I remember Weaver cheering the GOP and I was right there with him. I voted for Bush twice and at that point I was a lifelong Republican. Mind you, I wasn't that old but I had always supported the GOP. I was also active duty Navy until 2001. Seems the GOP has snowed the military for far too long.

I am now a registered democrat and have been since 2007. The lip service paid to the military pissed me off. I always knew it was there, but it became more blatant or maybe my eyes were starting to really open. I had begun getting disgusted by the religious crazies, maybe they got louder or maybe I started noticing them. I had never been religious and certainly didn't support legislating anyone's religion. I stopped watching Fox News as much because I was busy and then at all because it started sounding crazier and crazier. I used to respect McCain and then Palin was picked as his VP. The Teatards alarmed me when they started gaining popularity. They seemed like extremists and conservaties were excited about that. That sealed the deal for me.

At this point, I lean pretty far left and will likely never vote republican/libertarian again. I'm white, 32 years old, married (one of those yucky same sex marriages) and college educated and used to be better off. I'm one of many votes that the GOP has lost permenantly. Part of that can also be attributed to fark as well. The arguments and links led me to further research and learning.
 
bav
2013-03-05 11:29:21 AM

SenorPez: bav: WaitWhatWhy: Nishu:  stop drinking the koolaid (which is hfcs and caffeine free so I don't get what the deal is.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven%27s_Gate_%28religious_group%29#M as s_suicide_and_aftermath
And now you know.

Sure you're not thinking of Jonestown?

Wasn't Jonestown Flavor-Aide?


Yup.  Looks like Heaven's Gate was phenobarbital mixed with pineapple and vodak, though.
 
2013-03-05 11:31:48 AM

Nishu: I don't know. I kinda feel like a political vagabond right now.


The Blue Dog Democrats would probably love to have you.  They're not too far off from what a historical Republican would have been, prior to the Tea Party and the fundies completely hijacking the GOP.

Just saying.

/liberal
 
2013-03-05 11:32:23 AM

quiotu: Dr Dreidel: Granny_Panties: 60% of voters will blame Obama for everything. Book it, done.

You say that in jest, but Obama's approval ratings just fell into the 40s for the first time in a while. While that's not horrible (and it's at least 15 points better than Bush's second-term), it's a loss of about 5-8 points at present, and for a president who needs to get some big things done and soon (the CR at month's end, immigration, guns, sequester) PLUS the midterms gearing up in a little over a year it comes at a pretty shiatty time.

Maybe it's just low-information folks, maybe it's the "bof sidez bad" crowd, but the president needs political capital to get things done, and even more when the argument is contentious and the opposition is unified and derpy.

This will so ruin his chances for a third term in office, amirite?!

It's a lame duck term, meaning his approval rating means fark all. Plus I still consider it a win if congress and the GOP have an approval rating lower than cancer. Still the lesser of two evils... he can be the bad guy if it gets shiat done.


A second-term president still needs political capital to get things done. It's why Bush couldn't do SS privatization, immigration, permanent tax cuts, and Med D was pulling teeth with a rating in the 30s, and it's why Clinton was able to get a few things done even in the middle of the Lewinsky trial with a rating in the high 50s.
 
bav
2013-03-05 11:32:53 AM

LibertyHiller: bav: WaitWhatWhy: Nishu:  stop drinking the koolaid (which is hfcs and caffeine free so I don't get what the deal is.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven%27s_Gate_%28religious_group%29#M as s_suicide_and_aftermath
And now you know.

Sure you're not thinking of Jonestown?

Sure you're not thinking of the Acid Test?


That was what I thought the phrase referred to, originally.  Usual usage of context makes me now think that Jonestown is more likely, since Flavor-aid is the cheaper version of Kool-aid and the phrase usually implies a negative effect.

/Fun Dip was better than both
//Back to our normally scheduled outrage about outrage
 
2013-03-05 11:34:02 AM
Nishu:
I don't know. I kinda feel like a political vagabond right now.

You and I have very similar stories. After identifying (R) for many, many years, if asked I merely say I am a "centrist" now.  It's not totally true, but far more true than labeling myself with either current party.  And going with Libertarian is right out.  They are nearly as nuts as the Tea Party.

But IRL I will do anything to avoid a political discussion.  I can't turn off real people and just walk away like I can the internet people.
 
2013-03-05 11:35:39 AM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: And going with Libertarian is right out. They are nearly as nuts as the Tea Party.


You said "Republican" twice.
 
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