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(Slate)   New SimCity game is the greatest game update in history   (slate.com) divider line 157
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2013-03-05 07:59:40 AM
Love headlines like this
 
2013-03-05 08:03:44 AM
I thought this was a Politics tab practice?
 
2013-03-05 08:04:06 AM
Can I play it on Steam?  No?  It's an EA game?

No thanks.
 
2013-03-05 08:05:28 AM

Summoner101: Can I play it on Steam?  No?  It's an EA game?

No thanks.


Penny Arcade Report on why not to trust any reviews of Sim City, even theirs.
 
2013-03-05 08:09:07 AM

PonceAlyosha: Summoner101: Can I play it on Steam?  No?  It's an EA game?

No thanks.

Penny Arcade Report on why not to trust any reviews of Sim City, even theirs.


tl;dr: Because the reviewers weren't playing a production multiplayer environment.

I play SimCity to be god of my little city, not to play with other people. fark that.
 
2013-03-05 08:13:45 AM

Summoner101: Can I play it on Steam?  No?  It's an EA game?

No thanks.


You can't play EA games on steam? That is crap. Sorry EA, you don't make anything interesting enough for me to sign up for a whole new service.
 
2013-03-05 08:15:33 AM

Summoner101: Can I play it on Steam?  No?  It's an EA game?

No thanks.


Gotta agree with you.  If you want to use online distribution, you should use steam.  No exceptions, no excuses.
They're the only ones with a good enough middle-man product that I don't mind installing it.  Everyone else's versions just intrude unnecessarily on the actual game content (I'm looking at you Ubisoft and Games for Windows Live).
 
2013-03-05 08:17:12 AM

jonny_q: PonceAlyosha: Summoner101: Can I play it on Steam?  No?  It's an EA game?

No thanks.

Penny Arcade Report on why not to trust any reviews of Sim City, even theirs.

tl;dr: Because the reviewers weren't playing a production multiplayer environment.

I play SimCity to be god of my little city, not to play with other people. fark that.


Yeh me too, which is why i'm holding off buying it until I know for certain I can do that. They put a lot of emphasis, it seems, on multiplayer, to the point it looks as though there'll almost be no single player. I want to buy it because i'm impatient and impetuous, and if it was another company I'd probably have succumbed by now, but it's EA, and requires origin, so that's given me plenty of willpower to resist instantly buying it.

Also small maps? I've read all about the pros n cons, and I just don't think i'll ever accept that a small map can be a good thing.
 
2013-03-05 08:18:10 AM
Has anyone tried Origin? I'm not a big game buyer anymore, but I'm thinking of getting Dead Space 3 for PC and it only has one option. How is the service?
 
2013-03-05 08:23:29 AM
I've used Origin. Not as streamlined as Steam, but functional enough(I couldn't help it, I'm a C&C fan).

That said, between both reviews I'm still not impressed. I'll take the wait and see approach. I love me some SimCity, but the last "good" one was 3K in my eyes, since to date I can't seem to accomplish a version of SC4 that doesn't shut down at random(and I'm not really a big fan of splitting up the map into little bits, I like my city as one large operating organism where I don't have to save and load another map to address this or that issue).

I tried the other Sim City games since 4, found them wanting. I've been tinkering with Cities XL, it's not perfect, but it has its charms.
 
2013-03-05 08:25:06 AM

PonceAlyosha: Summoner101: Can I play it on Steam?  No?  It's an EA game?

No thanks.

Penny Arcade Report on why not to trust any reviews of Sim City, even theirs.


We should probably just extrapolate that to any site's review of any game.  I learned that lesson after the Civ 5 debacle.
 
2013-03-05 08:28:03 AM
Lets see the advancements this game brought to the series

-Small maps
-No moding (with just a promise that they "want" to add it in later)
-Simcity store where you can buy EA's DLC....er....mods
-100% Always on DRM requimrents
-No saving and reverting city
-Confirmed limited save space on EA's server, don't worry I'm sure they'll allow you to buy more
-No terraforming at all
-2 transport options, road/tram
-Highway connections are outside city and predetermined
-Required green space between every building
-Required green space between each region so no more sprawl feeling or look
-Limited resources and if you run you you can simply buy more on the global market
-Refusal from EA or Maxis to state the conditions on which the servers could be shut and what happens to your game after

yeah, great leaps and bounds in this path.  Now lets look at simcity4, oh look NAM 31 is out this week adding even more complicated and in-depth transportation options.
 
2013-03-05 08:28:05 AM
The guys from Arstechnica  http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/03/simcity-impressions-we-waited-t e n-years-for-this/ seemed to think it had some interesting points but was otherwise somewhat "less" than previous versions.

Haven't played it but after reading through their discussion (it's not really a review) I had the whole "Sid Meier's Railroads!" feeling - What was once a deep and grand scale game became so much "less" in order to pretty up the graphics.  Rather than feeling like you had a region-wide network of rails it felt like you were connecting tiny little slivers of land.
 
2013-03-05 08:30:24 AM

Shotgun Justice: Has anyone tried Origin? I'm not a big game buyer anymore, but I'm thinking of getting Dead Space 3 for PC and it only has one option. How is the service?


According to the gaming subreddits, it's literally Hitler.

/every day seems to bring a new piece of absolute customer service incompetence
 
2013-03-05 08:30:36 AM

Simcity 2000 complexity with Cities XL engine and size.  That would be the greatest game in history.


farm8.staticflickr.com

 
2013-03-05 08:31:10 AM
The slate review reads like an ad. The ars review reads like a critical review.
 
2013-03-05 08:33:50 AM

jonny_q: I play SimCity to be god of my little city, not to play with other people. fark that.


It appears the servers are inundated, so thanks to the always-on DRM, you wouldn't even be able to do that.
 
2013-03-05 08:38:15 AM

Slaxl: Also small maps? I've read all about the pros n cons, and I just don't think i'll ever accept that a small map can be a good thing.


A small map AND no subways. How the fark is that a good combination?
 
2013-03-05 08:39:32 AM

UNC_Samurai: According to the gaming subreddits, it's literally Hitler.

/every day seems to bring a new piece of absolute customer service incompetence


It's not THAT bad, but it is mostly unnecessary. Steam works for everything and Steam Sales (SHUTUPANDTAKEMYMONEY.JPG) are awesome. I barely know Steam is there most of the time, I just play the games. Origin just doesn't feel like competition, so much as "ME TOO" Software.

It is farking obnoxious that they won't let you disable the "Daily Deals" popup, but what else can you expect from EA.

I have BF3 and Mass Effect 3 via Origin, but that's it. I don't want my games in 2 different pieces of software, Steam works for me so no reason to even open Origin unless I'm playing one of those two.
 
2013-03-05 08:42:52 AM

Summoner101: Can I play it on Steam?  No?


Which is a bonus.

/fark third party apps telling me when I can play my single player games.
 
2013-03-05 08:48:40 AM

StrangeQ: Summoner101: Can I play it on Steam?  No?

Which is a bonus.

/fark third party apps telling me when I can play my single player games.


This doesn't even make sense. Are you complaining Steam does an update once every two months or so, and you can't play for the 2+ minutes that takes?
 
2013-03-05 08:52:44 AM

vatica40: StrangeQ: Summoner101: Can I play it on Steam?  No?

Which is a bonus.

/fark third party apps telling me when I can play my single player games.

This doesn't even make sense. Are you complaining Steam does an update once every two months or so, and you can't play for the 2+ minutes that takes?


When it has absolutely nothing to do with the game I am trying to play, yes, I am.  Especially when it's followed by a mandatory update of the game itself which was working just fine before.  I don't need a farking third party developer telling me when I "need" an update.  If I want to update, I'll farking do it myself.
 
2013-03-05 08:53:27 AM

swaxhog: Simcity 2000 complexity with Cities XL engine and size.  That would be the greatest game in history.
[farm8.staticflickr.com image 850x478]


Does the newest version of Cities XL still have that "shliipp" sound effect when laying roads?  That sound was cringe-worthy enough to turn off the game.  Not to mention the ui looked like and soundtrack sounded like they were straight out of a B-rate Minsk development team with no professional production oversight.  I haven't really looked to see if there's a decent mod community for it.
 
2013-03-05 08:59:54 AM

StrangeQ: vatica40: StrangeQ: Summoner101: Can I play it on Steam?  No?

Which is a bonus.

/fark third party apps telling me when I can play my single player games.

This doesn't even make sense. Are you complaining Steam does an update once every two months or so, and you can't play for the 2+ minutes that takes?

When it has absolutely nothing to do with the game I am trying to play, yes, I am.  Especially when it's followed by a mandatory update of the game itself which was working just fine before.  I don't need a farking third party developer telling me when I "need" an update.  If I want to update, I'll farking do it myself.


Seriously? That is the cross you want to die on. Steam has made PC gaming so much easier and more convenient. gone are the days of having to remember CD keys, keep track of installation discs or drive out to EB games and hope they didn't get rid of their PC section.

Not to mention games go on sale 50-75% off, have a unified friends list, make multiplayer as easy as consoles, and makes it so anyone can install mods. The only compromise you're asked to make is wait 2 minutes for your game to start every damn month to update the program.
 
2013-03-05 09:01:12 AM
Origin isn't all that great. There aren't many decent sales (and nothing to look forward to like the Steam sales at the end of the year), and it's a pain in the neck to navigate around. While it is better than the Games for Windows Live junk, that's like saying a kick in one testicle is better than a kick in both testicles.

One of the Ars reviewers mentioned you couldn't save your game in the sense of backing up to an earlier instance before doing something risky. That is a deal breaker.

If I've built something I like, I'd want to keep that state so I can experiment with multiple branches of thinking, not start all over again from scratch.
 
2013-03-05 09:01:24 AM

StrangeQ: Summoner101: Can I play it on Steam?  No?

Which is a bonus.

/fark third party apps telling me when I can play my single player games.


LOLWUT

You do realize that not only do you not have to be connected to Steam in order to play your single-player Steam games, you don't even have to run them from Steam?  You can use Steam solely as a means of purchasing and downloading your games and ignore it otherwise, if you're so inclined.
 
2013-03-05 09:02:22 AM
you know these good/bad headlines are a lot more amusing when not divided by an irrelevant featured partner link... i know, i know, adblock/get over it, etc, just sayin'
 
2013-03-05 09:02:46 AM

StrangeQ: vatica40: StrangeQ: Summoner101: Can I play it on Steam?  No?

Which is a bonus.

/fark third party apps telling me when I can play my single player games.

This doesn't even make sense. Are you complaining Steam does an update once every two months or so, and you can't play for the 2+ minutes that takes?

When it has absolutely nothing to do with the game I am trying to play, yes, I am.  Especially when it's followed by a mandatory update of the game itself which was working just fine before.  I don't need a farking third party developer telling me when I "need" an update.  If I want to update, I'll farking do it myself.


OMFG, click "Cancel" on the Steam update if it chaps your bunghole so much.  Or, as I mentioned, run the game outside of Steam.
 
rpm
2013-03-05 09:03:16 AM

Karac: Gotta agree with you.  If you want to use online distribution, you should use steam.  No exceptions, no excuses.


Fark that shiat, GoG.
 
2013-03-05 09:07:55 AM
Any time Steam is mentioned, there's got to be that one guy/gal who goes out of their way to find reasons to hate on it.  They usually devolve into ranting about "freedom" and "choice" too.  In a way, they remind me a lot of the "taxes are theft" folks, so I generally find it best to nod and smile while backing away slowly.
 
2013-03-05 09:08:55 AM

rpm: Karac: Gotta agree with you.  If you want to use online distribution, you should use steam.  No exceptions, no excuses.

Fark that shiat, GoG.


Ah GoG. Making piracy even easier.
 
2013-03-05 09:11:36 AM
Honestly, Steam is probably the only thing keeping PC gaming relevant in the console driven world.  You don't even realize it's there, and it actually seems like it was made by gamers for gamers.
 
2013-03-05 09:12:31 AM

Teufelaffe: You do realize that not only do you not have to be connected to Steam in order to play your single-player Steam games, you don't even have to run them from Steam?  You can use Steam solely as a means of purchasing and downloading your games and ignore it otherwise, if you're so inclined.


You do realize you are completely talking out of your ass, right?

Close out of Steam.  Double click on TESV, what happens?  "Connecting to Steam" *Cancel* Nothing.  Double click on TESV..."Connecting to Steam"...

You CANNOT play your games without their bullshiat program as a go between.
 
rpm
2013-03-05 09:12:53 AM

PonceAlyosha: rpm: Karac: Gotta agree with you.  If you want to use online distribution, you should use steam.  No exceptions, no excuses.

Fark that shiat, GoG.

Ah GoG. Making piracy even easier.


There were two versions of Witcher 2, one published conventionally, one published on GoG. Which was the one most pirated?
 
2013-03-05 09:13:18 AM

Aurinian: Honestly, Steam is probably the only thing keeping PC gaming relevant in the console driven world.


I am not sure if you are serious.
 
2013-03-05 09:14:22 AM

I created this alt just for this thread: Any time Steam is mentioned, there's got to be that one guy/gal who goes out of their way to find reasons to hate on it.  They usually devolve into ranting about "freedom" and "choice" too.  In a way, they remind me a lot of the "taxes are theft" folks, so I generally find it best to nod and smile while backing away slowly.


It's sad to see the relationship between pusher and abuser turn to dependency, it really is.
 
2013-03-05 09:14:56 AM

Shotgun Justice: Has anyone tried Origin? I'm not a big game buyer anymore, but I'm thinking of getting Dead Space 3 for PC and it only has one option. How is the service?


It's ok......not quite as good as Steam, but I have 5 or 6 games in Origin I still play.....

I will be playing this new SimCity for sure.....
 
2013-03-05 09:15:59 AM

StrangeQ: vatica40: StrangeQ: Summoner101: Can I play it on Steam?  No?

Which is a bonus.

/fark third party apps telling me when I can play my single player games.

This doesn't even make sense. Are you complaining Steam does an update once every two months or so, and you can't play for the 2+ minutes that takes?

When it has absolutely nothing to do with the game I am trying to play, yes, I am.  Especially when it's followed by a mandatory update of the game itself which was working just fine before.  I don't need a farking third party developer telling me when I "need" an update.  If I want to update, I'll farking do it myself.


*cough* Offline mode *cough*
 
2013-03-05 09:16:35 AM

kalor: yeah, great leaps and bounds in this path. Now lets look at simcity4, oh look NAM 31 is out this week adding even more complicated and in-depth transportation options.


More or less this. I played it for a bit, and then fired up Sim 4 again.
 
2013-03-05 09:17:37 AM

StrangeQ: Teufelaffe: You do realize that not only do you not have to be connected to Steam in order to play your single-player Steam games, you don't even have to run them from Steam?  You can use Steam solely as a means of purchasing and downloading your games and ignore it otherwise, if you're so inclined.

You do realize you are completely talking out of your ass, right?

Close out of Steam.  Double click on TESV, what happens?  "Connecting to Steam" *Cancel* Nothing.  Double click on TESV..."Connecting to Steam"...

You CANNOT play your games without their bullshiat program as a go between.


http://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/469521-how-to-run-skyri m- without-stream/
Run steam once and turn off steam auto update before you run TESV, after that you shouldn't have any further problems.
 
2013-03-05 09:19:32 AM

Karac: Gotta agree with you. If you want to use online distribution, you should use steam. No exceptions, no excuses.


Some games on Steam are still a pain in the ass.  Max Payne 3 requires that you also connect to R* Social Club.  NFS: Hot Pursuit, which you purchase on Steam, also requires an account with Origin.  I've yet to play a Ubisoft game on Steam, but I've got a few Assassin's Creed and Splinter Cell titles in my account and I imagine I'll have to deal with their DRM as well.
 
2013-03-05 09:20:09 AM

Kimpak: StrangeQ: vatica40: StrangeQ: Summoner101: Can I play it on Steam?  No?

Which is a bonus.

/fark third party apps telling me when I can play my single player games.

This doesn't even make sense. Are you complaining Steam does an update once every two months or so, and you can't play for the 2+ minutes that takes?

When it has absolutely nothing to do with the game I am trying to play, yes, I am.  Especially when it's followed by a mandatory update of the game itself which was working just fine before.  I don't need a farking third party developer telling me when I "need" an update.  If I want to update, I'll farking do it myself.

*cough* Offline mode *cough*


Yes, I am aware, and most of the time I am able to ignore the fact that there is a third party program running between me and the game I wanted to play.  Still doesn't stop me from being forced to run that third party program.
 
2013-03-05 09:21:07 AM
The game looks so goddamn fun.

This disheartens me so much.

Fark you, EA. Fark you.
 
2013-03-05 09:23:46 AM

StrangeQ: Teufelaffe: You do realize that not only do you not have to be connected to Steam in order to play your single-player Steam games, you don't even have to run them from Steam?  You can use Steam solely as a means of purchasing and downloading your games and ignore it otherwise, if you're so inclined.

You do realize you are completely talking out of your ass, right?

Close out of Steam.  Double click on TESV, what happens?  "Connecting to Steam" *Cancel* Nothing.  Double click on TESV..."Connecting to Steam"...

You CANNOT play your games without their bullshiat program as a go between.


Ah, so it would appear that SOME games are still tied to Steam.  There are still a number of games that you can run from their executable and not involve Steam (I know, because I do it all the damn time).  But you know what you can do with the games that are tied to Steam?  Set Steam to offline mode and play your game anyway.  Seriously, you're just looking for excuses to biatch about Steam.
 
2013-03-05 09:26:08 AM

GavinTheAlmighty: Karac: Gotta agree with you. If you want to use online distribution, you should use steam. No exceptions, no excuses.

Some games on Steam are still a pain in the ass.  Max Payne 3 requires that you also connect to R* Social Club.  NFS: Hot Pursuit, which you purchase on Steam, also requires an account with Origin.  I've yet to play a Ubisoft game on Steam, but I've got a few Assassin's Creed and Splinter Cell titles in my account and I imagine I'll have to deal with their DRM as well.


Ubisoft killed their DRM last year. Some games still use that stupid Ubi launcher, but you don't need an always-on connection or one of their dumb accounts.
 
2013-03-05 09:32:26 AM

StrangeQ: Kimpak: StrangeQ: vatica40: StrangeQ: Summoner101: Can I play it on Steam?  No?

Which is a bonus.

/fark third party apps telling me when I can play my single player games.

This doesn't even make sense. Are you complaining Steam does an update once every two months or so, and you can't play for the 2+ minutes that takes?

When it has absolutely nothing to do with the game I am trying to play, yes, I am.  Especially when it's followed by a mandatory update of the game itself which was working just fine before.  I don't need a farking third party developer telling me when I "need" an update.  If I want to update, I'll farking do it myself.

*cough* Offline mode *cough*

Yes, I am aware, and most of the time I am able to ignore the fact that there is a third party program running between me and the game I wanted to play.  Still doesn't stop me from being forced to run that third party program.



You poor victim, being forced to run that third party program.  Truly, your life must be one misery after another with such terrible things being thrust upon you daily.  Here, this will really freak you out...bring up your task manager and click on the Processes tab.  Guess what, a number of the processes on that list are THIRD PARTY (cue scary music), run WITHOUT YOUR EXPLICIT PERMISSION (cue dramatic lighting), and if you turn them off you won't be able to USE CERTAIN PROGRAMS THAT DEPEND UPON THEM (cut to closeup of your shocked and terrified face).  That doesn't even get into the various third-party applications and extensions that any given game runs and requires.
 
2013-03-05 09:34:03 AM
Screw this Steam talk. It's not on Steam, so has anyone here actually played SimCity 5 yet?
 
2013-03-05 09:36:19 AM

Slaxl: Screw this Steam talk. It's not on Steam, so has anyone here actually played SimCity 5 yet?


Judging by Twitter the servers are overloaded. So even if you bought the game this morning you're not playing.
 
2013-03-05 09:39:12 AM
The Slate article doesn't work in the link.
 
2013-03-05 09:51:06 AM

StrangeQ: vatica40: StrangeQ: Summoner101: Can I play it on Steam?  No?

Which is a bonus.

/fark third party apps telling me when I can play my single player games.

This doesn't even make sense. Are you complaining Steam does an update once every two months or so, and you can't play for the 2+ minutes that takes?

When it has absolutely nothing to do with the game I am trying to play, yes, I am.  Especially when it's followed by a mandatory update of the game itself which was working just fine before.  I don't need a farking third party developer telling me when I "need" an update.  If I want to update, I'll farking do it myself.


I hope you don't plan on playing this game, with 100% online Origin requirement do you think you will be able to decline an update?  You won't "farking do it yourself" you'll do it when EA tells you to do it or you won't connect to their server or play your game.
 
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