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(Arizona Sports)   A little more than a week into Spring Training and already Dusty Baker and Kirk Gibson are fighting. "If he's pissed off about it I don't really give a s***"   (arizonasports.com) divider line 52
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2013-03-05 08:25:48 AM
JUST GET RID OF THE F****** DH ALREADY!!!!
 
2013-03-05 08:57:16 AM
I don't know what all the strategy was about here and I hate the DH, but if it has any use at all it's during spring training. Checking the box score, looks like Cueto started, so maybe Gibby wanted him to have to hit. I know Dusty's probably looking at keeping his rotation healthy considering how they flamed out last year when Cueto went down.

But yeah, if we would

UNC_Samurai: JUST GET RID OF THE F****** DH ALREADY!!!!

we wouldn't have to worry about it.

/Another DH thread... What have I done?
 
2013-03-05 09:07:19 AM
"If he's pissed off about it I don't really give a s***"

That makes two of us.
 
2013-03-05 09:11:23 AM

funk_soul_bubby: I know Dusty's probably looking at keeping his rotation healthy


And every Cubs fan reading that spits out the contents of their mouth, screaming, "Oh, NOW he think that's important?!"
 
2013-03-05 09:32:16 AM

UNC_Samurai: JUST GET RID OF THE F****** DH ALREADY!!!!


But then what would we do with the over-the-hill fat guys who aren't ready to retire?
 
2013-03-05 09:35:25 AM

calm like a bomb: UNC_Samurai: JUST GET RID OF THE F****** DH ALREADY!!!!

But then what would we do with the over-the-hill fat guys who aren't ready to retire?


That's what first base is for, provided you don't already have a roided-up homer-monster who can't field for shiat taking that spot.
 
2013-03-05 09:56:04 AM

EyeballKid: funk_soul_bubby: I know Dusty's probably looking at keeping his rotation healthy

And every Cubs fan reading that spits out the contents of their mouth, screaming, "Oh, NOW he think that's important?!"


And look what happened when Pinella thought the same thing.
 
2013-03-05 10:25:09 AM
because no one needs another DH thread (seriously folks, it's not going anywhere.. get over it), I'm posting about the WBC instead

Japan and Cuba advance from Pool A, play each other later today to determine seeding in Pool 1.
China defeated Brazil, thus securing China's spot in 2017.

The Netherlands beat Australia 4-1 and Korea beat Taiwan 3-2, resulting in a three-way tie at 2-1 between Korea, the Netherlands and Taiwan. Tiebreaker is run differential however, so Korea (who needed to win their game by 6) is left holding the bag and going home. Australia (0-3) does NOT have an automatic berth for 2017.

Pool 1 (Japan, Cuba, Netherlands, Taiwan) begins play Friday.

Pools C and D don't start til Thursday, but quite a few of those teams play against MLB spring training teams today and tomorrow.

today's games:
Dominican Republic vs Phillies at 1
Canada vs Brewers at 3
Italy vs A's (ss) at 3
US vs White Sox at 3
Puerto Rico vs Red Sox at 7
Venezuela vs Marlins at 7
Mexico vs Snakes at 9
 
2013-03-05 10:26:30 AM
oh, Spain vs Pirates at 1, too
 
2013-03-05 10:37:33 AM

UNC_Samurai: JUST GET RID OF THE F****** DH ALREADY!!!!


Wait till they get a load of Delmont Young in the outfield.
 
2013-03-05 10:40:02 AM

funk_soul_bubby: I don't know what all the strategy was about here and I hate the DH, but if it has any use at all it's during spring training. Checking the box score, looks like Cueto started, so maybe Gibby wanted him to have to hit. I know Dusty's probably looking at keeping his rotation healthy considering how they flamed out last year when Cueto went down.

But yeah, if we would UNC_Samurai: JUST GET RID OF THE F****** DH ALREADY!!!! we wouldn't have to worry about it.

/Another DH thread... What have I done?


Actually, Gibby wanted his starting pitcher to get an AB in because he's coming over from the AL. You might have heard of the guy.

/And he's worth a follow on Twitter too.
 
2013-03-05 10:55:26 AM

softshoes: UNC_Samurai: JUST GET RID OF THE F****** DH ALREADY!!!!

Wait till they get a load of Delmont Young in the outfield.


grrr: Delmon
 
2013-03-05 11:29:08 AM
I can't decide if this was the result of Kirk Gibson being stupid, or Kirk Gibson being way too competitive. But there's absolutely nothing stopping him from agreeing to the DH, then forfeiting his own DH...except for the two things I just said.
 
2013-03-05 11:42:23 AM

DeWayne Mann: I can't decide if this was the result of Kirk Gibson being stupid, or Kirk Gibson being way too competitive. But there's absolutely nothing stopping him from agreeing to the DH, then forfeiting his own DH...except for the two things I just said.


He acknowledged he could've done just that, but didn't want to.
 
2013-03-05 11:46:55 AM

funk_soul_bubby: I don't know what all the strategy was about here and I hate the DH, but if it has any use at all it's during spring training. Checking the box score, looks like Cueto started, so maybe Gibby wanted him to have to hit. I know Dusty's probably looking at keeping his rotation healthy considering how they flamed out last year when Cueto went down.

But yeah, if we would UNC_Samurai: JUST GET RID OF THE F****** DH ALREADY!!!! we wouldn't have to worry about it.

/Another DH thread... What have I done?


Gibby wanted McCarthy to hit, the pitcher he got from the A's. Pitcher coming from the AL to the NL will have to hit and needs practice. It wasn't gamesmanship.
 
2013-03-05 11:47:16 AM

The Bestest: DeWayne Mann: I can't decide if this was the result of Kirk Gibson being stupid, or Kirk Gibson being way too competitive. But there's absolutely nothing stopping him from agreeing to the DH, then forfeiting his own DH...except for the two things I just said.

He acknowledged he could've done just that, but didn't want to.


He acknowledged it after someone pointed it out. So it's possible he really didn't think of it at the time.

Though I will agree that "way too competitive" is the most likely answer.
 
2013-03-05 11:48:07 AM

funk_soul_bubby: maybe Gibby wanted him to have to hit


DeWayne Mann: I can't decide if this was the result of Kirk Gibson being stupid, or Kirk Gibson being way too competitive. But there's absolutely nothing stopping him from agreeing to the DH, then forfeiting his own DH...except for the two things I just said.


He wanted McCarthy to hit since he's coming over from the AL. He's going to have to do it in the regular season, so get the pitcher some practice. It wasn't ridiculous gamesmanship or anything.
 
2013-03-05 11:54:59 AM

neuroflare: He wanted McCarthy to hit since he's coming over from the AL. He's going to have to do it in the regular season, so get the pitcher some practice. It wasn't ridiculous gamesmanship or anything.


DeWayne Mann: But there's absolutely nothing stopping him from agreeing to the DH, then forfeiting his own DH


If Kirk Gibson wasn't stupid/overly competitive, he could've said "Hey, Dusty, let's agree to the DH so you can get Choo some PAs. I'll just use my pitcher as MY DH" and everyone is happy.
 
2013-03-05 11:56:03 AM

DeWayne Mann: I'll just use my pitcher as MY DH


Then where's the pitcher getting spring innings?
 
2013-03-05 12:01:08 PM

neuroflare: DeWayne Mann: I'll just use my pitcher as MY DH

Then where's the pitcher getting spring innings?


Do you actually not understand how the DH rule works? 6.10(b)(3):

It is not mandatory that a club designate a hitter for the pitcher, but failure to do so prior to the game precludes the use of a Designated Hitter for that club for that game.
 
2013-03-05 12:09:21 PM

DeWayne Mann: neuroflare: DeWayne Mann: I'll just use my pitcher as MY DH

Then where's the pitcher getting spring innings?

Do you actually not understand how the DH rule works? 6.10(b)(3):

It is not mandatory that a club designate a hitter for the pitcher, but failure to do so prior to the game precludes the use of a Designated Hitter for that club for that game.


I'm in the "I farking hate it" boat and I don't really watch AL ball. Snakes fan with no rooting interests elsewhere. If I'm bored and an interesting team is playing (Rays, Tigs, O's, or A's) I'll watch a couple innings. I have not read the rulebook.

/my criteria for interesting team is pretty arbitrary
 
2013-03-05 12:33:27 PM
I have to say I'm disappointed in Fark.
There's a fun baseball event going on right now but people would rather talk about the DH and Mike Trout's contract.
 
2013-03-05 12:39:30 PM

The Bestest: I have to say I'm disappointed in Fark.
There's a fun baseball event going on right now but people would rather talk about the DH and Mike Trout's contract.


Yeah but all the games are in the middle of the night since they're in Japan and Taiwan. They dont happe in our time zone until Thursday.
 
2013-03-05 12:42:20 PM
Well, as I pointed out upthread, exhibition games happen today and tomorrow. In fact, DR-Phillies will be on MLBN in 20 minutes.
 
2013-03-05 12:48:48 PM
Ah, Kirk Gibson.  Don't get along with your best player, so wind up with him traded for scraps and a player you're not keeping anyway.  Good move.

/I'm sure someone will tell me that Justin Upton didn't "hustle" enough or something like that.
 
2013-03-05 12:51:49 PM
I'm a Tigers fan from birth, and I'm used to the DH and would rather see that, than the pitcher striking out constantly.

But what really galls me is the Astros move to the AL, and the Tigers drew the short straw in the schedule by having their last series of the season in Miami.  My nightmare is a must-win Game 162, with Verlander on the mound and having to be taken out in the 7th inning of a 0-0 game because his spot is coming up.
 
2013-03-05 12:54:56 PM

Dafatone: Ah, Kirk Gibson.  Don't get along with your best player, so wind up with him traded for scraps and a player you're not keeping anyway.  Good move.

/I'm sure someone will tell me that Justin Upton didn't "hustle" enough or something like that.


At least we* got this out of it:

1.bp.blogspot.com

*We as in Fark sports fans, not we as in a fan of any particular team.
 
2013-03-05 12:56:01 PM

roc6783: Dafatone: Ah, Kirk Gibson.  Don't get along with your best player, so wind up with him traded for scraps and a player you're not keeping anyway.  Good move.

/I'm sure someone will tell me that Justin Upton didn't "hustle" enough or something like that.

At least we* got this out of it:

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 600x399]

*We as in Fark sports fans, not we as in a fan of any particular team.


True.  But on the other hand, I'm a Mets fan, and I can't even say that the Braves had to give a lot up.  Ugh.
 
2013-03-05 12:56:45 PM

buckeyebrain: I'm a Tigers fan from birth, and I'm used to the DH and would rather see that, than the pitcher striking out constantly.

But what really galls me is the Astros move to the AL, and the Tigers drew the short straw in the schedule by having their last series of the season in Miami.  My nightmare is a must-win Game 162, with Verlander on the mound and having to be taken out in the 7th inning of a 0-0 game because his spot is coming up.


That would be silly.

Now, if the game is 1-0 Marlins, it'd make more sense.

But if you can't win a must-win game 162 against the Marlins, you don't deserve to be in.

/Mets fan.
//Cries.
 
2013-03-05 12:59:24 PM

Dafatone: Ah, Kirk Gibson.  Don't get along with your best player, so wind up with him traded for scraps and a player you're not keeping anyway.  Good move.

/I'm sure someone will tell me that Justin Upton didn't "hustle" enough or something like that.


From what I've gleaned it's not that, all accounts are he was a model teammate and he's obviously good off the field. The team putting too much pressure on him to carry them and him blaming himself for the team losing as a result of not being able to carry them is the feeling I get. Even the D-backs have admitted that "uptown" was a mistake.
 
2013-03-05 12:59:54 PM

Dafatone: That would be silly.

Now, if the game is 1-0 Marlins, it'd make more sense.

But if you can't win a must-win game 162 against the Marlins, you don't deserve to be in.

/Mets fan.
//Cries.


/Brewers fan.
//Smiles.
///Sees current roster, cries.
 
2013-03-05 01:00:57 PM

neuroflare: Dafatone: Ah, Kirk Gibson.  Don't get along with your best player, so wind up with him traded for scraps and a player you're not keeping anyway.  Good move.

/I'm sure someone will tell me that Justin Upton didn't "hustle" enough or something like that.

From what I've gleaned it's not that, all accounts are he was a model teammate and he's obviously good off the field. The team putting too much pressure on him to carry them and him blaming himself for the team losing as a result of not being able to carry them is the feeling I get. Even the D-backs have admitted that "uptown" was a mistake.


Well, that's even dumber?
 
2013-03-05 01:03:39 PM

Dafatone: Well, that's even dumber?


I dunno, is it?
 
2013-03-05 01:15:24 PM
Nice play the the 3b in the DR v Phillies game
 
2013-03-05 01:17:43 PM

neuroflare: Dafatone: Well, that's even dumber?

I dunno, is it?


I mean, he's 25.  Can't the Diamondbacks just have gone "whoops, sorry about that.  Let's see how you do this year."
 
2013-03-05 01:22:18 PM

EyeballKid: funk_soul_bubby: I know Dusty's probably looking at keeping his rotation healthy

And every Cubs fan reading that spits out the contents of their mouth, screaming, "Oh, NOW he think that's important?!"


This. Dusty Baker is second only to Tony LaRussa in ruining young pitchers by "stretching them out."
 
2013-03-05 01:23:06 PM

Dafatone: neuroflare: Dafatone: Well, that's even dumber?

I dunno, is it?

I mean, he's 25.  Can't the Diamondbacks just have gone "whoops, sorry about that.  Let's see how you do this year."


I think the team was burning that bridge by keeping him in trade talks for a year and a half. I figured he'd be here through the contract until Towers did that.
 
2013-03-05 01:42:01 PM

neuroflare: Dafatone: neuroflare: Dafatone: Well, that's even dumber?

I dunno, is it?

I mean, he's 25.  Can't the Diamondbacks just have gone "whoops, sorry about that.  Let's see how you do this year."

I think the team was burning that bridge by keeping him in trade talks for a year and a half. I figured he'd be here through the contract until Towers did that.


True.  I even think trading him was a good move.  Just, get an actual package back.  Too bad he turned down fleecing the Mariners.

Always fleece the Mariners.
 
2013-03-05 01:56:09 PM

Dafatone: neuroflare: Dafatone: neuroflare: Dafatone: Well, that's even dumber?

I dunno, is it?

I mean, he's 25.  Can't the Diamondbacks just have gone "whoops, sorry about that.  Let's see how you do this year."

I think the team was burning that bridge by keeping him in trade talks for a year and a half. I figured he'd be here through the contract until Towers did that.

True.  I even think trading him was a good move.  Just, get an actual package back.  Too bad he turned down fleecing the Mariners.

Always fleece the Mariners.


Stupid no trade clauses
 
2013-03-05 02:08:36 PM
heh, I had to run out the house to help my brother with something, come back and it's already 8-1 DR in the 3rd?
 
2013-03-05 02:21:03 PM
heh.. Miguel Tejada.. who might not even make the Royals roster, is now 3 for 3 with two singles, a double and and RBI in the 4th for DR
 
2013-03-05 02:33:57 PM
Robbie with a 2 run HR.. 10-1 DR
 
2013-03-05 02:38:59 PM
Tejada 4 for 4 with 2 RBI now
 
2013-03-05 03:04:14 PM

The Bestest: heh, I had to run out the house to help my brother with something, come back and it's already 8-1 DR in the 3rd?


Yeah I went to the grocery store when it was 4-0 and came back with 11-1 on the board. I suppose I'll wait for the d-backs and mexico by playing some orignal starcraft since I have the day off
 
2013-03-05 04:31:05 PM

zarberg: EyeballKid: funk_soul_bubby: I know Dusty's probably looking at keeping his rotation healthy

And every Cubs fan reading that spits out the contents of their mouth, screaming, "Oh, NOW he think that's important?!"

This. Dusty Baker is second only to Tony LaRussa in ruining young pitchers by "stretching them out."



It's always fun to see people post who talk out of their ass.
 
2013-03-05 06:10:50 PM

DaintySavage: zarberg: EyeballKid: funk_soul_bubby: I know Dusty's probably looking at keeping his rotation healthy

And every Cubs fan reading that spits out the contents of their mouth, screaming, "Oh, NOW he think that's important?!"

This. Dusty Baker is second only to Tony LaRussa in ruining young pitchers by "stretching them out."


It's always fun to see people post who talk out of their ass.


Just a general reply to the topic:

http://www.redreporter.com/2013/3/1/4044280/cincinnati-reds-sign-mar k- prior
 
2013-03-05 07:24:53 PM
Gee, why would mark prior sign with the team headed by the person solely responsible for ruining his career? Or would a better explanation be that cubs fans are jackasses who have to blame anyone but the players for their long history of complete failure. It's not like they would blame a fan catching a foul ball for not winning a World Series or anything.
 
2013-03-05 09:10:24 PM

Dafatone: buckeyebrain: I'm a Tigers fan from birth, and I'm used to the DH and would rather see that, than the pitcher striking out constantly.

But what really galls me is the Astros move to the AL, and the Tigers drew the short straw in the schedule by having their last series of the season in Miami.  My nightmare is a must-win Game 162, with Verlander on the mound and having to be taken out in the 7th inning of a 0-0 game because his spot is coming up.

That would be silly.

Now, if the game is 1-0 Marlins, it'd make more sense.

But if you can't win a must-win game 162 against the Marlins, you don't deserve to be in.

/Mets fan.
//Cries.


*Assuming* the Tigers get a *real* bullpen this year, and *assuming* Leyland doesn't fark his pitching staff members not named Verlander up by making them pitch too many innings early (seriously, does Verlander have an arm made of titanium and powered by a fusion reactor or something?), the Marlins would count themselves lucky to only be down by, or ahead by, 1 run against the Tigers in the 7th inning of game 162. And as to the DH rule: I like things the way they are, it's what makes the NL and AL differences so much fun to watch.
 
2013-03-05 09:27:17 PM

ClavellBCMI: the Marlins would count themselves lucky to only be down by, or ahead by, 1 run against the Tigers in the 7th inning of game 162


It's baseball.  You can't predict one game.
 
2013-03-05 09:42:22 PM

Dafatone: ClavellBCMI: the Marlins would count themselves lucky to only be down by, or ahead by, 1 run against the Tigers in the 7th inning of game 162

It's baseball.  You can't predict one game.


Yes, you can. You can predict that the Cubs will find a way to suck in any game where the name of the day ends in "y".
 
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