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(Yahoo)   Oliwia Dabrowska, the 'red coat girl' from Schindler's List, broke a promise to Steven Spielberg and watched the movie at age eleven. Guess how she felt about it   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 163
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2013-03-04 03:51:57 PM
I made a platonic friend watch Schindlers List one night.

Oliwia is far from the only person traumatized by that film.
 
2013-03-04 03:53:05 PM
I had to write a 20 page paper about that movie for a class in college. I must have watched Schindler's List at least 30 times; slowing it down, stopping, rewinding, taking notes over the course of a month. I remember being so numb when I finally handed in that paper. I had been crying almost daily.

Ugh, never again.

/css
 
2013-03-04 03:56:02 PM
Article says she was 3 when the movie was released, meaning she was probably 2 when her scenes were filmed.

That was one mature 2 year old making promises to Steven Spielberg and looking like she was about 6.
 
2013-03-04 03:56:38 PM
I saw that movie on NBC when it was broadcasted uninterrupted in 1997. I liked it. I thought it was a great movie.
 
2013-03-04 03:57:13 PM

RexTalionis: I saw that movie on NBC when it was broadcasted uninterrupted in 1997. I liked it. I thought it was a great movie.


Was 13 at the time.
 
2013-03-04 04:06:39 PM
I'm sure it is an awesome movie. I never need to see it.
 
2013-03-04 04:08:36 PM
I was 22 when it came out, I guess.  I was pretty traumatized.  Haunted, you might say.
 
2013-03-04 04:08:45 PM
I think 11 is a little young to be watching Schindler's list.
 
2013-03-04 04:11:40 PM

wildcardjack: I made a platonic friend watch Schindlers List one night.


That'll teach them to friend zone you.
 
2013-03-04 04:12:18 PM
Aging has been quite good to her.

/I'd get that Polish girl to polish my knob.
 
2013-03-04 04:14:08 PM
I saw it once, before I had kids. I don't think I could make it through a viewing now.

I still get sick thinking about the scene in Amistad where the mother tips back overboard with her baby off the slave ship. Can't watch that one anymore, either.
 
2013-03-04 04:36:33 PM
Schindler's List was too long.

/no, not the film
//*runs*
 
2013-03-04 04:42:06 PM
I saw that movie in HS. Won't ever watch it again.
 
2013-03-04 04:44:47 PM

gameshowhost: Schindler's List was too long.

/no, not the film
//*runs*


Damn you.  I laughed at that.
 
2013-03-04 04:52:24 PM
I've seen it.  I will never watch it again.
 
2013-03-04 04:53:29 PM
I watched the edited version on AMC. Thankfully I saw it in the theaters so I could follow the edited version.


Some movies should never be edited.
 
2013-03-04 04:54:49 PM

RexTalionis: RexTalionis: I saw that movie on NBC when it was broadcasted uninterrupted in 1997. I liked it. I thought it was a great movie.

Was 13 at the time.


Yeah. I think that's how I saw it too. The thing that stuck in my mind the most was the kid(s) hiding in the latrine.
 
2013-03-04 04:57:43 PM
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2013-03-04 05:00:35 PM
She thought that her role was dumbing down the movie by making the horrors of the Holocaust even more blatant?

/Great movie, but that scene and Neeson's "I could have saved more people" speech at the end were really overblown.
 
2013-03-04 05:07:12 PM
It is one of the outstanding films that I never want to see again. Way too depressing. Especially the end when the IRL survivors of the list and their actors were putting the stones on Oskar's grave.

/along with Grave of the Fireflies
 
2013-03-04 05:07:36 PM

meat0918: I've seen it.  I will never watch it again.


Definitely a 'One timer'. So was The Wind That Shakes The Barley and The Magdalene Sisters
 
2013-03-04 05:10:32 PM
As a movie it's very well made (great acting, great technical specs, great cinematagraphy, great score)

As history (especially the history of Oskar Shindler), it's grade-A bullpucky..

The scene at the end where he breaks down? It looks good on camera (and, yes, the one [and only] time i saw the film, i cried like what i imagine a kicked puppy would at that scene [and others].). The only problem is, it didn't happen. Even his surviving family members claim that he was so stoic that that action would have been so out-of-character for him that it would have been as if an alien intelligence had taken him over.

upload.wikimedia.org

The only film on the Holocaust you ever need to see.

The first, the last, the only.

Bring Kleenex by the palletload.

But...if you must see another:

upload.wikimedia.org

is very nearly as tearduct-exercising.
 
2013-03-04 05:11:28 PM
I only remember parts of the film as I was making out with my girlfriend during it....
 
2013-03-04 05:11:41 PM
Am I weird that I honestly enjoy watching that movie?  I just think its really well done.
 
2013-03-04 05:12:09 PM
...SChindler...
 
2013-03-04 05:12:11 PM
I was 18 when it came out and I took my girlfriend to see it. As the movie progressed, she kept slinking lower and lower into her seat. I asked her several times if she wanted to leave and she kept saying "I'm fine".

Then they were rounding people up for the trains or the camps (I forget which) and they shot the kid. She asked if we could leave, so we did. I ended up going back a week later and watched it by myself.

/When I told the story of leaving to a friend, he told me about how he saw the movie with a friend who was fluent in German and lived there for years. Apparently, the commander that yelled at the guy after he shot the kids was yelling at him for not shooting him sooner.
//CSB
 
2013-03-04 05:15:49 PM
I watched it in college with a couple friends   We sat, unable to move, until the credits were over and the house lights came back on.  We were far from the only ones that did that (it was in the 1000 seat Fremont theater in San Luis Obispo.  It wasn't full, but many people seems stuck in their seats.)

When we walked out onto the street, my friend said, "That was the greatest movie I'll never watch again."  I kind of agreed with him,

/Won't let my kids see it until at least high school.
//Classic animated fare for the time being.
///I'm hearing good things about this "Grave of the Fireflies".  I'll have to rent it for them this weekend.
 
2013-03-04 05:18:21 PM

RexTalionis: I saw that movie on NBC when it was broadcasted uninterrupted in 1997. I liked it. I thought it was a great movie.


I think that's how I first saw it, and I was in high school at the time.

I remember being utterly gutpunched by the film.

Jaws is my favorite Spielberg film, but I think Schindler's List is his best work.  John Williams' score, in particular, is especially effective and haunting here.
 
2013-03-04 05:19:07 PM

Eirik: I watched it in college with a couple friends   We sat, unable to move, until the credits were over and the house lights came back on.  We were far from the only ones that did that (it was in the 1000 seat Fremont theater in San Luis Obispo.  It wasn't full, but many people seems stuck in their seats.)

When we walked out onto the street, my friend said, "That was the greatest movie I'll never watch again."  I kind of agreed with him,

/Won't let my kids see it until at least high school.
//Classic animated fare for the time being.
///I'm hearing good things about this "Grave of the Fireflies".  I'll have to rent it for them this weekend.


I'll never watch "Grave of the Fireflies".  I don't care how good people say it is.
 
2013-03-04 05:19:59 PM

gameshowhost: Schindler's List was too long.

/no, not the film
//*runs*


There's a special place in hell for the likes of you.

/Aisle seat
//Will be your bunk buddy for making me laugh at that.
 
2013-03-04 05:20:55 PM

Eirik: I'm hearing good things about this "Grave of the Fireflies". I'll have to rent it for them this weekend.


meat0918: I'll never watch "Grave of the Fireflies". I don't care how good people say it is.


You feel empty for at least a week if you should ever see it, I kid you not.

I don't really like anime, but I rented that after a lot of recommendations on TotalFark Discussion.

I could never bring myself to watch that film again.  That's not hyperbole.  There's absolutely no way I could force myself to watch that a second time.
 
2013-03-04 05:21:23 PM

Eirik: I watched it in college with a couple friends   We sat, unable to move, until the credits were over and the house lights came back on.  We were far from the only ones that did that (it was in the 1000 seat Fremont theater in San Luis Obispo.  It wasn't full, but many people seems stuck in their seats.)

When we walked out onto the street, my friend said, "That was the greatest movie I'll never watch again."  I kind of agreed with him,

/Won't let my kids see it until at least high school.
//Classic animated fare for the time being.
///I'm hearing good things about this "Grave of the Fireflies".  I'll have to rent it for them this weekend.


Not sure if serious...
 
2013-03-04 05:23:09 PM
As far as i'm concerned, its the finest film ever made...  I don't want to hear about historical inaccuracies, and soforth... The point of the movie is not to tell us about Schindler's life...  The point of the movie is to depict the horror of The Holocause, but juxtapose it with an indomitable human spirt in the face of such adversity.
 
2013-03-04 05:23:13 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: RexTalionis: I saw that movie on NBC when it was broadcasted uninterrupted in 1997. I liked it. I thought it was a great movie.

I think that's how I first saw it, and I was in high school at the time.

I remember being utterly gutpunched by the film.

Jaws is my favorite Spielberg film, but I think Schindler's List is his best work.  John Williams' score, in particular, is especially effective and haunting here.


I think the best decision in making that movie was to keep it in B&W; making it in color wouldn't have given it the...feeling of haunting that you have in watching it.
 
2013-03-04 05:24:48 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Eirik: I'm hearing good things about this "Grave of the Fireflies". I'll have to rent it for them this weekend.

meat0918: I'll never watch "Grave of the Fireflies". I don't care how good people say it is.

You feel empty for at least a week if you should ever see it, I kid you not.

I don't really like anime, but I rented that after a lot of recommendations on TotalFark Discussion.

I could never bring myself to watch that film again.  That's not hyperbole.  There's absolutely no way I could force myself to watch that a second time.


Just had to read the synopsis of it and say "Yeah, won't watch this, ever."  Not because it stinks....but because how heartbreaking it must seem to be.
 
2013-03-04 05:30:08 PM
Why are some of you so traumatized? You do know crap like that still happens in one form or another.
 
2013-03-04 05:30:46 PM
There are several movies that really screwed me over when I saw them as a kid. I've hunted most of them down and watched them as an adult and they've lost the horror they held before. There are just some things a small kid does not have the experience to cope with.
 
2013-03-04 05:30:53 PM
i can't fap to this?
 
2013-03-04 05:30:58 PM

Rwa2play: I think the best decision in making that movie was to keep it in B&W; making it in color wouldn't have given it the...feeling of haunting that you have in watching it.


Definitely.

Janusz Kaminski's cinematography would have suffered if they went with color.

It's one of the most mentioned elements of the film, but Spielberg's use of the girl in the red coat is iconic and ultimately heartwrenching.


Rwa2play: Just had to read the synopsis of it and say "Yeah, won't watch this, ever." Not because it stinks....but because how heartbreaking it must seem to be.


Pretty much.

I mean... I wouldn't stop anyone from watching it, but I feel that fair warnings are due:  it will totally and thoroughly crush your soul.
 
2013-03-04 05:31:17 PM
Sinbox:

The only film on the Holocaust you ever need to see.

The first, the last, the only.

Bring Kleenex by the palletload.

But...if you must see another:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x314]

is very nearly as tearduct-exercising.



The Pianist was also really really good.
 
2013-03-04 05:31:31 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: gameshowhost: Schindler's List was too long.

/no, not the film
//*runs*

Damn you.  I laughed at that.


With a name like "Adolph", how could you not?

\I laughed too, then I had a sad
 
2013-03-04 05:33:12 PM

T.rex: As far as i'm concerned, its the finest film ever made...  I don't want to hear about historical inaccuracies, and soforth... The point of the movie is not to tell us about Schindler's life...  The point of the movie is to depict the horror of The Holocause, but juxtapose it with an indomitable human spirt in the face of such adversity.


I have very similar feelings about Porky's.
 
2013-03-04 05:35:30 PM
www.moneyandshit.com
 
2013-03-04 05:40:19 PM

Nuclear Monk: T.rex: As far as i'm concerned, its the finest film ever made...  I don't want to hear about historical inaccuracies, and soforth... The point of the movie is not to tell us about Schindler's life...  The point of the movie is to depict the horror of The Holocause, but juxtapose it with an indomitable human spirt in the face of such adversity.

I have very similar feelings about Porky's.


never saw it... nor have i ever seen Bachelor Party, Blues Brothers, or Jerry McGuire.
 
2013-03-04 05:42:33 PM
The opening part of SL showing how he walks into the room of partying nazis and just takes it over still amazes me... the character Liam brought to life in that scene was quite a slick dude and probably one of my favorite "cool guys" to ever grace the screen.
 
mhd
2013-03-04 05:47:17 PM
The whole school went to see Schindler's List, totally unannounced. Came a bit late, people were waiting outside already. And on the way to the cinema, I got told that the day before a classmate had a fatal moped accident... Then it's off to see a depiction of what could've been your grandparents committing genocide. What more could a teenager ask for?
 
2013-03-04 05:48:01 PM
The thing about the Academy Awards that year was how all four of the better Supporting Actor nominees lost to the least of the nominees.

You had...

-Ralph Fiennes for Schindler's List
-Pete Postlethwaite for In the Name of the Father
-John Malkovich for In the Line of the Fire
-Leonardo DiCaprio for What's Eating Gilbert Grape

... all losing to Tommy Lee Jones for The Fugitive.

Huh?

I mean, I love TLJ's work and thought he was good in The Fugitive, but I didn't think he was THAT good, and definitely not better than the other four nominees.
 
2013-03-04 05:50:18 PM
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It's a great date movie and I got to second base
 
2013-03-04 05:50:59 PM
static.guim.co.uk
She hasn't aged well...
 
2013-03-04 05:52:18 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Eirik: I'm hearing good things about this "Grave of the Fireflies". I'll have to rent it for them this weekend.

meat0918: I'll never watch "Grave of the Fireflies". I don't care how good people say it is.

You feel empty for at least a week if you should ever see it, I kid you not.

I don't really like anime, but I rented that after a lot of recommendations on TotalFark Discussion.

I could never bring myself to watch that film again.  That's not hyperbole.  There's absolutely no way I could force myself to watch that a second time.


If you want something less anime, The Road is something to watch. Christ that movie just knocked you down and kept kicking and kicking...
 
2013-03-04 05:53:01 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: I mean, I love TLJ's work and thought he was good in The Fugitive, but I didn't think he was THAT good, and definitely not better than the other four nominees.


I don't generally pay attention to the Oscars, and this is why. I can't vouch for Postlethwaite or DiCaprio, but both Fiennes and Malkovich would deserve the award over Tommy Lee Jones in my opinion.
 
2013-03-04 05:53:07 PM

WippitGuud: If you want something less anime, The Road is something to watch. Christ that movie just knocked you down and kept kicking and kicking...


Boy howdy, The Road's tough.

The book's even harder.  I mean, the movie left stuff *out.*
 
2013-03-04 05:53:42 PM
Schindler's List kicked ass.
 
2013-03-04 05:54:45 PM
I watched it once and barely remember it. Not that it was bad, but I think that my mind blocked out how heartwrenching it was. I think that I caught it on NBC in 1997, too. Lets see... I was 15 or 16, depending upon the air date.

I have never seen Grave of the Fireflies, but I want to. I was curious about Watership Down, and might yet, but the one with the dogs, never in a million years. Although it is completely different, after carrying my bleeding dog into a vet, her blood all over my shirt, crying and begging for them to save her, anything involving the abuse of dogs (animals in general, but dogs especially) tears me apart.

/going to hug my basset and rub her belly now
 
2013-03-04 05:57:03 PM
farking movie ratings, how do they work?
 
2013-03-04 05:59:05 PM

Gig103: I don't generally pay attention to the Oscars, and this is why. I can't vouch for Postlethwaite or DiCaprio, but both Fiennes and Malkovich would deserve the award over Tommy Lee Jones in my opinion.


Mmhmm.  Got that right.

Fiennes, well... we all know how utterly terrifying he was in Schindler's List.

Malkovich, he plays the consummate action movie bad guy to perfection.

DiCaprio isn't everyone's cup of tea, but he committed to the role and did a damn fine job.

Postlethwaite was once called "the best actor in the world."  In the Name of the Father is definitely worth checking out, and a big part of its success is Postlethwaite's hauntingly dignified performance.  The only reason why In the Name of the Father lost the Best Picture Oscar that year was because Spielberg made something truly towering and unforgettable with Schindler's List.  Had it been released a year before or a year after, it would have stood a much better chance of taking the top prize; as it stands now, it's a fantastic film and a testament to Jim Sheridan's skill as a director.

All that to say this: they got it *so* wrong with Tommy Lee Jones that year, it's not even funny.  And I say that as a big TLJ fan.
 
2013-03-04 06:01:17 PM

Anastacya: I have never seen Grave of the Fireflies, but I want to.


Be warned: you're in for a rough one.
 
2013-03-04 06:02:07 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: -Ralph Fiennes for Schindler's List
-Pete Postlethwaite for In the Name of the Father
-John Malkovich for In the Line of the Fire
-Leonardo DiCaprio for What's Eating Gilbert Grape


Errr... In the Line of Fire, rather.
 
mhd
2013-03-04 06:03:25 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: The book's even harder. I mean, the movie left stuff *out.*


I have to admit that the book's writing style didn't really grab me, so the content didn't either. I tried reading Blood Meridian afterwards, as a co-worker with generally rather good taste (better than my nerdish bent) basically worshiped McCarthy. Didn't float my boat that much, either.

/It all kinda read like a nihilist version of a Hesse-style bildungsroman, for what that's worth
 
2013-03-04 06:05:10 PM
I hope she told him he should have cut the "If only I could have saved more!" scene.
 
2013-03-04 06:05:19 PM
I saw it in theaters and don't remember much about it.  i remember being called an anti-semite by a friends' jewish girlfriend because I said i didn't like it.  i probably meant "it way to serious of subject matter' but whatever i said, she said i was an anti-semite and she was pissed.  ehhh.


i don't like "serious" movies. movies for me are escapism, and being reminded of really awful things just brings me down.  the only exception i can think of in recent memory, meaning where i voluntarily chose to watch a movie i knew was "serious", was the 2009-ish "Berlin" or "Munich" movie, about the 1972 Olympic hostage incident, because I have read so many books and documentaries about that.  the subject matter more or less dicated that i had to watch it.

I saw Argo too, but I didn't know about he fake movie.  I thought it was about the failed raid to get the hostages out.  it was a pleasant surprise not to know anything about the movie and then be blown away by it.
 
2013-03-04 06:05:45 PM

mhd: I have to admit that the book's writing style didn't really grab me, so the content didn't either. I tried reading Blood Meridian afterwards, as a co-worker with generally rather good taste (better than my nerdish bent) basically worshiped McCarthy. Didn't float my boat that much, either.

/It all kinda read like a nihilist version of a Hesse-style bildungsroman, for what that's worth


I dig, I follow.  At the risk of sounding redundant about something I wrote about DiCaprio, McCarthy can be hit or miss.

That said, I thought there were elements of No Country for Old Men that worked better on the page than on the silver screen (which is not to say that I didn't love the hell out of the movie, not at all).
 
2013-03-04 06:05:55 PM

Eirik: I watched it in college with a couple friends   We sat, unable to move, until the credits were over and the house lights came back on.  We were far from the only ones that did that (it was in the 1000 seat Fremont theater in San Luis Obispo.  It wasn't full, but many people seems stuck in their seats.)

When we walked out onto the street, my friend said, "That was the greatest movie I'll never watch again."  I kind of agreed with him,

/Won't let my kids see it until at least high school.
//Classic animated fare for the time being.
///I'm hearing good things about this "Grave of the Fireflies".  I'll have to rent it for them this weekend.


Two more movies to recommend...


Dancer in the Dark (starring Bjork)

Aurore (french... two version, one filmed in the 50s, and a remake from a few years ago... both worthy to be watched).
 
2013-03-04 06:06:20 PM

T.rex: I don't want to hear about historical inaccuracies, and soforth... The point of the movie is not to tell us about Schindler's life...


Some truths need no exaggeration. Even if for effect (dramatic or otherwise).

And the movie was directly based off of a book whose raison d'être was to tell us about Schindler's life during the Holocaust.

/yeah, i'm the life of every party.
 
2013-03-04 06:07:30 PM
Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener
I mean... I wouldn't stop anyone from watching it, but I feel that fair warnings are due: it will totally and thoroughly crush your soul.
=======================================================

Yeah... that's why I haven't watched it.

I'd probably be depressed for 2 weeks after watching it.
 
2013-03-04 06:08:34 PM
"I think Schindler's List is a fantastic film. And I didn't watch it at the cinema actually. I got it out on video, about a year later - by mistake - 'cause I'd never heard of it and I was in Blockbuster sort of late one night. I was a bit drunk, and I thought it was a porn film. No, 'cause I saw 18 certificate, top shelf. I thought, oh, black and white - dodgy home movie, German sounding - they're the best, and what swung it was that quote on the back from Barry Norman: "Have a box of Kleenex ready". Rubbish, I used about two. Well, there was a shower scene."

-Ricky Gervais
 
2013-03-04 06:11:54 PM

jake3988: Yeah... that's why I haven't watched it.

I'd probably be depressed for 2 weeks after watching it.


You assume correctly, I would think.

I'd be greatly concerned for the people who WOULDN'T be greatly depressed after watching it.

Depression is practically an inevitable result of watching Grave of the Fireflies.
 
2013-03-04 06:12:20 PM

rickythepenguin: the only exception i can think of in recent memory, meaning where i voluntarily chose to watch a movie i knew was "serious", was the 2009-ish "Berlin" or "Munich" movie, about the 1972 Olympic hostage incident,


i would kinda throw in the Tom Cruise "Valkyrie" movie, although it was a different kind of downer.  That had the bad luck of being released right about the time Tom had his "you haven't studied scientology the way I have" and flipping out on Oprah's couch moment so his popularity was at a low point.  my wife and i got movie times mixed up, and what we wanted to see had started, so we were like, "ehhh, screw it, already got a babysitter, let's watch the tom cruise movie".

that movie is freaking awesome.  harrowing, at times.  set aside your opinions of tom cruise and just buy in.  you'll enjoy the performance.
 
2013-03-04 06:13:15 PM

Eirik: ///I'm hearing good things about this "Grave of the Fireflies".  I'll have to rent it for them this weekend.


Make it a double feature with My Neighbor Totoro. Play Totoro second.
 
2013-03-04 06:14:39 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Anastacya: I have never seen Grave of the Fireflies, but I want to.

Be warned: you're in for a rough one.


Thank you, I have heard that. I know the story (roughly), so I have steeled myself somewhat.
 
2013-03-04 06:15:02 PM

Eirik: ///I'm hearing good things about this "Grave of the Fireflies".  I'll have to rent it for them this weekend.


Not sure if you're kidding, but just in case: Watch it yourself first to see if you think it's appropriate for kids.

Yes, the main characters are kids and it's animated, but I would NEVER show that movie to my daughter.
 
2013-03-04 06:15:19 PM

mhd: /It all kinda read like a nihilist version of a Hesse-style bildungsroman, for what that's worth



yeah, but your legerdemain is the cthonic bailiwick of a rubric of portmanteau.
 
2013-03-04 06:16:15 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: The thing about the Academy Awards that year was how all four of the better Supporting Actor nominees lost to the least of the nominees.

You had...

-Ralph Fiennes for Schindler's List
-Pete Postlethwaite for In the Name of the Father
-John Malkovich for In the Line of the Fire
-Leonardo DiCaprio for What's Eating Gilbert Grape

... all losing to Tommy Lee Jones for The Fugitive.

Huh?

I mean, I love TLJ's work and thought he was good in The Fugitive, but I didn't think he was THAT good, and definitely not better than the other four nominees.


I suspect the four really good nominees split the vote of the serious voters and TLJ benefited when he got the votes from the member who only had time/interest to see the Fugitive.   I wish they'd reveal the totals so we could see by how many votes he won.
 
2013-03-04 06:16:54 PM
Schindler's List is some fairly high grade schmaltz.  Spielberg likes to direct as though the audience is unable to come to their own emotional conclusions.  Or, maybe more to the point, the film is both visually and emotionally monotone.

Compare and contrast with:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-03-04 06:19:25 PM
Schindler, was as much an opportunist as a hero. He was not a nice guy according to just about everyone who met him or knew him. He was playing both ends off of each other, He also had the foresight to realize that Germany was going to lose the war so he positioned himself for the best possible outcome for himself. In other words he was a gifted politician, no more.  Yes his actions in saving those he did were heroic but Schindler himself was mostly a scumbag. Even a criminal can save a drowning child. His act is heroic it does not alter the fact that he is a criminal.
 
2013-03-04 06:19:37 PM

Anastacya: Thank you, I have heard that. I know the story (roughly), so I have steeled myself somewhat.


*nods*

Fair enough.

Good luck, anyways.


beakerxf: I suspect the four really good nominees split the vote of the serious voters and TLJ benefited when he got the votes from the member who only had time/interest to see the Fugitive. I wish they'd reveal the totals so we could see by how many votes he won.


You know, the vote splitting theory *would* explain the whole thing, wouldn't it?

I'd love to see those totals, too, but the Academy would never let those numbers go public.  (Actors' egos can be very fragile like that.)
 
2013-03-04 06:22:10 PM

karmaceutical: Schindler's List is some fairly high grade schmaltz.  Spielberg likes to direct as though the audience is unable to come to their own emotional conclusions.  Or, maybe more to the point, the film is both visually and emotionally monotone.

Compare and contrast with:

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I have never seen Life is Beautiful but I couldn't disagree with you more about Schindler's List.  That was the least Spielbergian movie Spielberg ever made.  It was brutal, unforgiving and unflinching.  I thought it was brilliantly shot, evocative and inspiring but never trying to be so intentionally artful that it strayed from the fact that this was a very farked up time and things were bleak--everywhere.  Emotionally monotone?  Were you expecting highs to go with the lows?  I wasn't.
 
2013-03-04 06:22:10 PM
Call me when we find out she made a film with Rocco on one of his trips to eastern europe.
 
2013-03-04 06:27:40 PM
<a target="_blank" data-cke-saved-href="karmaceutical

  You can't be serious! While Schindler's list is a historically flawed film the events it portrays really happened.
Life Is Beautiful is fiction through and through and can't compare to real events.
 
2013-03-04 06:31:58 PM

Sinbox: As a movie it's very well made (great acting, great technical specs, great cinematagraphy, great score)

As history (especially the history of Oskar Shindler), it's grade-A bullpucky..


We can stop right there. If it were a documentary, there might be some point in noting that Schindler probably didn't cry, but it's not. It's a film and that means that artistic license is in play. So what if there were historical problems? That's missing the point.
 
2013-03-04 06:34:27 PM
To everyone who says they can't watch Schindler's List again, stay away from Come and See.
 
2013-03-04 06:36:18 PM

Delawheredad: Schindler, was as much an opportunist as a hero. He was not a nice guy according to just about everyone who met him or knew him. He was playing both ends off of each other, He also had the foresight to realize that Germany was going to lose the war so he positioned himself for the best possible outcome for himself. In other words he was a gifted politician, no more.  Yes his actions in saving those he did were heroic but Schindler himself was mostly a scumbag. Even a criminal can save a drowning child. His act is heroic it does not alter the fact that he is a criminal.


Perhaps, but what he did do could have gotten himself shot by the Nazis right up to the end of the war, and hung by the allies after.  It's been a long time since I read the book about him, but IIRC, he did a number of things starting much earlier in the war that were overtly helping and saving his workers.

He may have been a bit of a scumbag, but there are still a couple thousand workers that would have been dead had he not intervened  and in the end he walked away with little.
 
2013-03-04 06:43:40 PM
This is the most accurate description of first world problem ever,,,

Millions of Jews, Gypsys, Homosexuals and Undesirables were systematically murdered over the best part of a decade, and a girl in a movie is traumatised simply because she wore a red coat....oh noes, let me get the waaaaaahhmbulance...
 
2013-03-04 06:46:18 PM
i.imgur.com

/obligatory
 
2013-03-04 06:54:40 PM

mrlewish: Why are some of you so traumatized? You do know crap like that still happens in one form or another.


Yeah this.

Seriously was this the first time any of you learned about the Holocaust or did you just not know what you were getting yourself into?
 
2013-03-04 06:59:35 PM

karmaceutical: Schindler's List is some fairly high grade schmaltz.  Spielberg likes to direct as though the audience is unable to come to their own emotional conclusions.  Or, maybe more to the point, the film is both visually and emotionally monotone.

Compare and contrast with:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x329]


I think both movies were great, but Life Is Beautiful is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more schmaltzy than Schindler's List.

It's not even close.
 
2013-03-04 06:59:44 PM

karmaceutical: Schindler's List is some fairly high grade schmaltz.  Spielberg likes to direct as though the audience is unable to come to their own emotional conclusions.  Or, maybe more to the point, the film is both visually and emotionally monotone.

Compare and contrast with:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x329]


Is that the movie with that ridiculous tuscan ham that stunk up the joint in Woody Allen's last movie?
 
2013-03-04 07:00:07 PM

Delawheredad: Schindler, was as much an opportunist as a hero. He was not a nice guy according to just about everyone who met him or knew him. He was playing both ends off of each other, He also had the foresight to realize that Germany was going to lose the war so he positioned himself for the best possible outcome for himself. In other words he was a gifted politician, no more.  Yes his actions in saving those he did were heroic but Schindler himself was mostly a scumbag. Even a criminal can save a drowning child. His act is heroic it does not alter the fact that he is a criminal.


None of anything you said is actually supported by any sort of fact.
 
2013-03-04 07:01:49 PM

Ed Grubermann: There are several movies that really screwed me over when I saw them as a kid. I've hunted most of them down and watched them as an adult and they've lost the horror they held before. There are just some things a small kid does not have the experience to cope with.


The Toxic Avenger scared me shiatless when I first saw it when I was 8 or so. I couldn't cope with the gore and ultraviolence in it at that age. Then I went back and watched it like 15 years later and found it to be a hilarious satire.

/my older brothers rented it
//I was just along for the ride
 
2013-03-04 07:03:23 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Anastacya: I have never seen Grave of the Fireflies, but I want to.

Be warned: you're in for a rough one.


I'm a heartless bastard most of the time.  We'll see how dusty it gets
 
2013-03-04 07:04:28 PM
It wasn't funny.
 
2013-03-04 07:05:04 PM

Dwight_Yeast: I hope she told him he should have cut the "If only I could have saved more!" scene.


That scene should have been cut very very short. It would have been enough for him to say it once, showing that as he was realizing what his good deed meant, and reflect on all the ways he could have done it better. Boom and done. As it goes on, the melodrama meter is turned so high that on the first viewing you are jarred out of the seriousness of the movie, and cry despite yourself, the way you sometimes try to let a little fart and suddenly you shiat your pants. Everytime thereafter, it's pure MST3K gold. It's worse than the crying Private Ryan begging a tombstone to tell him he was a good man.
 
2013-03-04 07:07:13 PM

T.rex: never saw it... nor have i ever seen Bachelor Party, Blues Brothers, or Jerry McGuire.


DonaldSutherlandPointingInvasionOfBodySnatchers.jpg

It's required viewing if you ever visit Chicago. I've probably seen it enough times to cover everybody in this thread. Classic musical-comedy movie too.
 
2013-03-04 07:08:56 PM

rickythepenguin: that movie is freaking awesome. harrowing, at times. set aside your opinions of tom cruise and just buy in. you'll enjoy the performance.


I watched it and liked it well enough but Tom Cruise plays the same character in almost every movie (aside from tropic thunder and some of his older stuff). We get it Tom, you're intense as shiat. Tom Cruise being the only one with an American accent while all of the other Nazis were British (and Hitler being the only one with a German accent) was weird as well.

Back on topic: My dad took my brother and I to see Schindler's list in the theater when I was 11 and my brother 12. Wanting us to have a decent grasp of the topic at hand, a few weeks leading up to going to the movie he taught us about WWII and the holocaust as he knew our school had given us a very abridged version of things. On the ride home from the theater he asked us what we thought of the movie, how it made us feel etc. I said it made me feel sad because the kids hiding in the toilet got pooped on all day. That was the first facepalm I recall my dad directing at me specifically.

/csb
 
2013-03-04 07:16:35 PM

Eirik: Delawheredad: Schindler, was as much an opportunist as a hero. He was not a nice guy according to just about everyone who met him or knew him. He was playing both ends off of each other, He also had the foresight to realize that Germany was going to lose the war so he positioned himself for the best possible outcome for himself. In other words he was a gifted politician, no more.  Yes his actions in saving those he did were heroic but Schindler himself was mostly a scumbag. Even a criminal can save a drowning child. His act is heroic it does not alter the fact that he is a criminal.

Perhaps, but what he did do could have gotten himself shot by the Nazis right up to the end of the war, and hung by the allies after.  It's been a long time since I read the book about him, but IIRC, he did a number of things starting much earlier in the war that were overtly helping and saving his workers.

He may have been a bit of a scumbag, but there are still a couple thousand workers that would have been dead had he not intervened  and in the end he walked away with little.


He also lived penniless in South America, living off donations from Holocaust survivors. The story is a great one BECAUSE it is the story of a flawed man that at ONE point in his life, stepped up and did the right thing for less than saintly reasons at the start.

If someone doesn't like this movie, they can watch Senor Spielbergo's version, the one where the protagonists shells WORKED, dammit!
 
2013-03-04 07:24:52 PM

CheetahOlivetti: I saw it once, before I had kids. I don't think I could make it through a viewing now.

I still get sick thinking about the scene in Amistad where the mother tips back overboard with her baby off the slave ship. Can't watch that one anymore, either.


Don't ever read The Book of Negroes. Ever.
 
2013-03-04 07:26:55 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: The thing about the Academy Awards that year was how all four of the better Supporting Actor nominees lost to the least of the nominees.

You had...

-Ralph Fiennes for Schindler's List
-Pete Postlethwaite for In the Name of the Father
-John Malkovich for In the Line of the Fire
-Leonardo DiCaprio for What's Eating Gilbert Grape

... all losing to Tommy Lee Jones for The Fugitive.

Huh?

I mean, I love TLJ's work and thought he was good in The Fugitive, but I didn't think he was THAT good, and definitely not better than the other four nominees.


Eh, the Academy Awards are bullshiat, anyway.
 
2013-03-04 07:27:35 PM
Why should I give a f*ck about how an actress feels?
 
2013-03-04 07:32:23 PM

WippitGuud: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Eirik: I'm hearing good things about this "Grave of the Fireflies". I'll have to rent it for them this weekend.

meat0918: I'll never watch "Grave of the Fireflies". I don't care how good people say it is.

You feel empty for at least a week if you should ever see it, I kid you not.

I don't really like anime, but I rented that after a lot of recommendations on TotalFark Discussion.

I could never bring myself to watch that film again.  That's not hyperbole.  There's absolutely no way I could force myself to watch that a second time.

If you want something less anime, The Road is something to watch. Christ that movie just knocked you down and kept kicking and kicking...


I will never ever see The Road again. It was one of the most depressing movies. I saw Schindler's List when I was in 8th grade. It is one of the only movies that made me tear up. It was damn rough.
 
2013-03-04 07:34:58 PM
assets.sport.ro

She aged pretty well.
 
2013-03-04 07:41:03 PM

Eirik: He may have been a bit of a scumbag, but there are still a couple thousand workers that would have been dead had he not intervened  and in the end he walked away with little.


It's almost like there's little correlation between the purity of one's intent and objective outcome of actions serving that intent.
 
2013-03-04 07:41:27 PM

meat0918: I've seen it.  I will never watch it again.


I only have two movies on my "Great Movies I Can Never Watch Again"--Schindler's List and Dear Zachary--but the latter packs much more punch because it's a documentary and was being filmed at the time everything was happening.  I don't even have kids and it was like being punched in the stomach repeatedly.
 
2013-03-04 07:47:42 PM

Marisyana: meat0918: I've seen it.  I will never watch it again.

I only have two movies on my "Great Movies I Can Never Watch Again"--Schindler's List and Dear Zachary--but the latter packs much more punch because it's a documentary and was being filmed at the time everything was happening.  I don't even have kids and it was like being punched in the stomach repeatedly.


Jacob's Ladder
A Perfect World
 
2013-03-04 07:51:28 PM
I saw Schindler's List with my now ex-husband and his mother.  Afterward, his mother spent 2 or 3 hours telling us about her step-father who survived the camps but lost his first wife and daughter.  Very sobering night, as I'm not even sure exactly how much my ex-husband knew about his Poppa's life before getting married to his Nonna.  I'm now figuring when to sit and watch it with our daughters (they're 17 and 16.)  All I do know is that I want my ex-MIL present, so she can share her family's history with the girls.

/css
 
2013-03-04 08:08:09 PM

karmaceutical: Schindler's List is some fairly high grade schmaltz.  Spielberg likes to direct as though the audience is unable to come to their own emotional conclusions.  Or, maybe more to the point, the film is both visually and emotionally monotone.

Compare and contrast with:


Compare and contrast? Gladly,

Schindler's List: Masterful filmmaking. Brutal and harrowing,

Life is Beautiful: Piece of shiat. Probably the most undeserved Oscar ever awarded.
 
2013-03-04 08:12:00 PM
So when i watched Schindlers list i wasn't terribly broken up. Sure its sad -- the subject matter it covers is a huge bummer and any film about it is going to be a bummer.

No point in getting bent out of shape at the realization that people can be cruel terrible creatures. Thats life man -- if you need Liam Neeson and Spielberg to pound the realization up your butt then your glasses must be pretty damn rosy.

Grave of the fireflies is the same way -- its terribly sad and yes its very depressing subject matter. But im hard pressed to feel that broken up. Crap like that has been happening since the begging of humanity and it will keep happening every day for hundreds of years to come. I dont need the death of a 5 year old girl in a red coat to make it painful. Humanity is painful. The nature of life itself is pain and the pain we inflict on others because we dont understand our own. I dont need some director to pound it in like a dowel thats too large for its hole.

Movies like this all i can imagine is Spielberg sitting behind you whispering in your ear what you are supposed to feel during each scene. I get it - the holocaust was a horrifying incident that turned people into animals and monsters and yet some part of the human spirit overcame it.

Replace holocaust in that last sentence with any conflict in human history im sure the same story can be told over and over and over. Rwanda, Ukraine, Cambodia, Nanjing, First nations peoples in north america when europeans started settling...

Schindlers list was only really a huge buzzkill if you weren't already bummed out by human life and existentialism in the first place.  It reminds me of the Swedish bartender in the simpsons:

"If I ever get a hold of you I will thank you for showing me the futility of human endeavor."
 
2013-03-04 08:19:59 PM

mikefinch: So when i watched Schindlers list i wasn't terribly broken up. Sure its sad -- the subject matter it covers is a huge bummer and any film about it is going to be a bummer.

No point in getting bent out of shape at the realization that people can be cruel terrible creatures. Thats life man -- if you need Liam Neeson and Spielberg to pound the realization up your butt then your glasses must be pretty damn rosy.

Grave of the fireflies is the same way -- its terribly sad and yes its very depressing subject matter. But im hard pressed to feel that broken up. Crap like that has been happening since the begging of humanity and it will keep happening every day for hundreds of years to come. I dont need the death of a 5 year old girl in a red coat to make it painful. Humanity is painful. The nature of life itself is pain and the pain we inflict on others because we dont understand our own. I dont need some director to pound it in like a dowel thats too large for its hole.

Movies like this all i can imagine is Spielberg sitting behind you whispering in your ear what you are supposed to feel during each scene. I get it - the holocaust was a horrifying incident that turned people into animals and monsters and yet some part of the human spirit overcame it.

Replace holocaust in that last sentence with any conflict in human history im sure the same story can be told over and over and over. Rwanda, Ukraine, Cambodia, Nanjing, First nations peoples in north america when europeans started settling...

Schindlers list was only really a huge buzzkill if you weren't already bummed out by human life and existentialism in the first place.  It reminds me of the Swedish bartender in the simpsons:

"If I ever get a hold of you I will thank you for showing me the futility of human endeavor."


Well, now we have the depressed existentialist point of view.

Have we heard from the glass half-full crowd?  How about a representative from the self-actualized?
 
2013-03-04 08:24:36 PM

RexTalionis: RexTalionis: I saw that movie on NBC when it was broadcasted uninterrupted in 1997. I liked it. I thought it was a great movie.

Was 13 at the time.


I was 13 as well. My dad taped it for us off NBC. He wanted us to watch it with him, so we could talk about it afterward. Many hours and tears later, he began to regret it.

Not so css.
 
2013-03-04 08:27:04 PM

T.rex: As far as i'm concerned, its the finest film ever made...  I don't want to hear about historical inaccuracies, and soforth... The point of the movie is not to tell us about Schindler's life...  The point of the movie is to depict the horror of The Holocause, but juxtapose it with an indomitable human spirt in the face of such adversity.


I agree. Can't count the number of times I've viewed the movie and name it as my favorite.  I'm told it's a passe choice, but any movie I can watch multiple times and feel the horror and emotions every. single. time. is #1 as far as I'm concerned.

/girl in the red coat kills me
//KILLS me
 
2013-03-04 08:36:08 PM

Lunchlady: mrlewish: Why are some of you so traumatized? You do know crap like that still happens in one form or another.

Yeah this.

Seriously was this the first time any of you learned about the Holocaust or did you just not know what you were getting yourself into?


When it came out one of the women I worked with at the time went to see it. At coffee break the next day, she says this -- "did you know there were 6,000,000 Jews killed by Hitler?" She was in her mid 40s at the time. Around the break table were two other women she had gone to high school with, an older women in her 70s (her husband was a WWII vet), me (age 35) and another co-worker who was about 25. We all just stared at her. One of people who had gone to high school with her reminded her it was taught to them, which she denied. She swore she had never heard about the Holocaust until the movie.
 
2013-03-04 08:43:33 PM

yellowcat: Lunchlady: mrlewish: Why are some of you so traumatized? You do know crap like that still happens in one form or another.

Yeah this.

Seriously was this the first time any of you learned about the Holocaust or did you just not know what you were getting yourself into?

When it came out one of the women I worked with at the time went to see it. At coffee break the next day, she says this -- "did you know there were 6,000,000 Jews killed by Hitler?" She was in her mid 40s at the time. Around the break table were two other women she had gone to high school with, an older women in her 70s (her husband was a WWII vet), me (age 35) and another co-worker who was about 25. We all just stared at her. One of people who had gone to high school with her reminded her it was taught to them, which she denied. She swore she had never heard about the Holocaust until the movie.



fearandarrogance.com
 
2013-03-04 08:46:09 PM
The only movie about any holocaust you need to see:
 
2013-03-04 08:46:52 PM
Damn page threw away my link.

cdn-1.nflximg.com
 
2013-03-04 08:49:07 PM
I saw it in college in one of those older, single screen theaters that could hold a massive number of people.  For as gut wrenching as the movie was, the sound of half the audience just sobbing at points was just farking brutal.
 
2013-03-04 08:50:38 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: mikefinch: So when i watched Schindlers list i wasn't terribly broken up. Sure its sad -- the subject matter it covers is a huge bummer and any film about it is going to be a bummer.

No point in getting bent out of shape at the realization that people can be cruel terrible creatures. Thats life man -- if you need Liam Neeson and Spielberg to pound the realization up your butt then your glasses must be pretty damn rosy.

Grave of the fireflies is the same way -- its terribly sad and yes its very depressing subject matter. But im hard pressed to feel that broken up. Crap like that has been happening since the begging of humanity and it will keep happening every day for hundreds of years to come. I dont need the death of a 5 year old girl in a red coat to make it painful. Humanity is painful. The nature of life itself is pain and the pain we inflict on others because we dont understand our own. I dont need some director to pound it in like a dowel thats too large for its hole.

Movies like this all i can imagine is Spielberg sitting behind you whispering in your ear what you are supposed to feel during each scene. I get it - the holocaust was a horrifying incident that turned people into animals and monsters and yet some part of the human spirit overcame it.

Replace holocaust in that last sentence with any conflict in human history im sure the same story can be told over and over and over. Rwanda, Ukraine, Cambodia, Nanjing, First nations peoples in north america when europeans started settling...

Schindlers list was only really a huge buzzkill if you weren't already bummed out by human life and existentialism in the first place.  It reminds me of the Swedish bartender in the simpsons:

"If I ever get a hold of you I will thank you for showing me the futility of human endeavor."

Well, now we have the depressed existentialist point of view.

Have we heard from the glass half-full crowd?  How about a representative from the self-actualized?


I think it's more to the point that there are millions of people out there that A: believe the Holocaust never happened or B: believe it did happen, but regret that the Nazis were stopped before they could finish the job.

/Stalin and Mao were far worse, numbers-wise
 
2013-03-04 08:52:25 PM

gunga galunga: Life is Beautiful: Piece of shiat. Probably the most undeserved Oscar ever awarded.


I thought Life is Beautiful was basically two movies. I found the first half to be rather charming and the second to be stupid and ridiculous.
 
2013-03-04 08:53:32 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: jake3988: Yeah... that's why I haven't watched it.

I'd probably be depressed for 2 weeks after watching it.

You assume correctly, I would think.

I'd be greatly concerned for the people who WOULDN'T be greatly depressed after watching it.

Depression is practically an inevitable result of watching Grave of the Fireflies.


Yeah, fair word of warning for those who get easily depressed:  "Grave of the Fireflies" is one to definitely avoid.
 
2013-03-04 08:54:57 PM

germ78: T.rex: never saw it... nor have i ever seen Bachelor Party, Blues Brothers, or Jerry McGuire.

DonaldSutherlandPointingInvasionOfBodySnatchers.jpg

It's required viewing if you ever visit Chicago. I've probably seen it enough times to cover everybody in this thread. Classic musical-comedy movie too.


If you've never seen "Blues Brothers" or "Animal House"...you're not a human being in my book.
 
2013-03-04 09:00:43 PM
In college we used to pay to see one movie and sneak into a second (and sometimes a third) for free.

Worst double feature ever?  Schindler's List and Ace Ventura Pet Detective.

The best, oddly enough, was Goodfellas and Home Alone.  It seemed as though at any moment Pesci might throw the Culkin kid to the ground and stomp him to death.  And that felt wonderful.
 
2013-03-04 09:14:39 PM

NotaryDPO: In college we used to pay to see one movie and sneak into a second (and sometimes a third) for free.

Worst double feature ever?  Schindler's List and Ace Ventura Pet Detective.

The best, oddly enough, was Goodfellas and Home Alone.  It seemed as though at any moment Pesci might throw the Culkin kid to the ground and stomp him to death.  And that felt wonderful.


I saw a double feature of Ghostbusters 2 and sleeping with the enemy on a first date in South America.  It was great by my Colombian girlfriend at the time was none too happy I found both equally hilarious.
 
2013-03-04 09:17:48 PM
"Schindler's List" is the Holocaust movie for people who will only contemplate the Holocaust if Speilberg's directing it.
 
2013-03-04 09:25:17 PM
ic.pics.livejournal.com
 
Byn
2013-03-04 09:27:58 PM

Marisyana: meat0918: I've seen it.  I will never watch it again.

I only have two movies on my "Great Movies I Can Never Watch Again"--Schindler's List and Dear Zachary--but the latter packs much more punch because it's a documentary and was being filmed at the time everything was happening.  I don't even have kids and it was like being punched in the stomach repeatedly.


Dear Zachary was farking traumatizing. Amazing film, but my god... Never again.
 
2013-03-04 09:38:01 PM

Byn: Marisyana: meat0918: I've seen it.  I will never watch it again.

I only have two movies on my "Great Movies I Can Never Watch Again"--Schindler's List and Dear Zachary--but the latter packs much more punch because it's a documentary and was being filmed at the time everything was happening.  I don't even have kids and it was like being punched in the stomach repeatedly.

Dear Zachary was farking traumatizing. Amazing film, but my god... Never again.


I just read the wiki for Dear Zachary and, well shiat. The wiki was bad enough, there is no way I could watch that.
 
2013-03-04 09:40:29 PM
Tears don't make good lube.
 
2013-03-04 09:48:19 PM
I liked it and would watch it again.

sophie made her choice and I made mine too
 
2013-03-04 09:53:10 PM

Via Infinito: Byn: Marisyana: meat0918: I've seen it.  I will never watch it again.

I only have two movies on my "Great Movies I Can Never Watch Again"--Schindler's List and Dear Zachary--but the latter packs much more punch because it's a documentary and was being filmed at the time everything was happening.  I don't even have kids and it was like being punched in the stomach repeatedly.

Dear Zachary was farking traumatizing. Amazing film, but my god... Never again.

I just read the wiki for Dear Zachary and, well shiat. The wiki was bad enough, there is no way I could watch that.


huh. i remember when that happened

nothing ever good comes out of counciltucky

no, nothing
 
2013-03-04 10:04:54 PM

Crewmannumber6: meat0918: I've seen it.  I will never watch it again.

Definitely a 'One timer'. So was The Wind That Shakes The Barley and The Magdalene Sisters


Same with The Boy in the Striped Pajamas. Man, that movie was great, but fark that movie.
 
2013-03-04 10:05:16 PM
I think I was about 16 when I saw Schindler's List. Then a year later I studied it in school and had to read the book. I don't think it had a powerful impact on me as it was deconstructed to death.

Until years later, when I saw The Pianist, I was struck with the absolute absurdity of the Holocaust. It just didn't make any sense that a group of people would be targeted in such an inhumane way.
 
2013-03-04 10:10:48 PM
Schindler's List - Grave of the Fireflies - The Road - The Mist cage fight!! GO!
 
2013-03-04 10:29:34 PM

Gleeman: Schindler's List - Grave of the Fireflies - The Road - The Mist cage fight!! GO!


The Fox and the Hound. :P
 
2013-03-04 10:33:46 PM
Fap?
 
2013-03-04 10:43:20 PM

Bedstead Polisher: I think I was about 16 when I saw Schindler's List. Then a year later I studied it in school and had to read the book. I don't think it had a powerful impact on me as it was deconstructed to death.

Until years later, when I saw The Pianist, I was struck with the absolute absurdity of the Holocaust. It just didn't make any sense that a group of people would be targeted in such an inhumane way.


Extermination of races is not a recent idea.  It's just angry ruling men being angry ruling men.
 
2013-03-04 10:45:08 PM
Since we're talking about one-timers, how about a TV episode?

CSI: Grave Danger.  Awesome episode of CSI.  Probably one of the best in the series.  Some of Tarantino's better work.

I've watched it straight through once.  Since that point, I can't do it.  I don't know if it's the whole buried alive bit, or the fact that 3/4 of the episode is essentially the antagonist giving the great big finger to the CSIs, or if it's the last half-hour, where the shiat doesn't hit the fan - it gets propelled into it.  Yeah, ultimately, it ends well (relatively).  But Christ, that's a tough two hours to watch.
 
2013-03-04 10:47:08 PM

Marisyana: meat0918: I've seen it.  I will never watch it again.

I only have two movies on my "Great Movies I Can Never Watch Again"--Schindler's List and Dear Zachary--but the latter packs much more punch because it's a documentary and was being filmed at the time everything was happening.  I don't even have kids and it was like being punched in the stomach repeatedly.


although I wouldn't call them "great movies", I would like to say I share your sentiment when I add "The Heart is Deceitful Above All Things" and "Salo: 120 Days of Sodom" to such a list.
 
2013-03-04 10:49:33 PM
I agree with most of you. Schindler's List was a beautiful, haunting film that I am glad that I saw and will never watch ever again.
 
2013-03-04 10:56:40 PM
soo...most of ya never seen actual footage of the holocaust?
Stay away from clips of children in the Warsaw Ghetto.
 
2013-03-04 11:17:48 PM

SithLord: Bedstead Polisher: I think I was about 16 when I saw Schindler's List. Then a year later I studied it in school and had to read the book. I don't think it had a powerful impact on me as it was deconstructed to death.

Until years later, when I saw The Pianist, I was struck with the absolute absurdity of the Holocaust. It just didn't make any sense that a group of people would be targeted in such an inhumane way.

Extermination of races is not a recent idea.  It's just angry ruling men being angry ruling men.


You would know...
 
2013-03-04 11:33:46 PM
Schindler's List will probably forever remain in the top 5 of all time greatest films.  It's basically a flawless film (minus whatever historical inaccuracies may exist).

The thing about WW2 is that the more you read about it, the more you realize that there were thousands of stories just like Schindler's.  In spite of the horrors of the time, the human capacity for compassion still existed, and many acts of unbelievable selflessness were performed by silent heroes.  My personal favorite is Maximillian Kolbe; a Polish Catholic priest who saved 2000 Jews by hiding them in his friary.

After being sent to Auschwitz, he offered his own life in exchange for another prisoner:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximilian_Kolbe

If you really want the room to get dusty, listen to this piece of music that Kilar composed in memory of Father Kolbe:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87_PJHH8xE4
 
2013-03-04 11:35:58 PM
Back in 2005 my wife and I took our twelve year old daughter to Washington DC.  One of the stops that week was the Holocaust Museum.  A mind numbing place that was important to go, but we'll never do it again.

While waiting for our time slot for the big museum, we wandered through the "children's" section.  Toned down stories that encompass some of the horror, but for the younger set.

In one of the rooms, where they talked about how the Jews had to make the Yellow Star of Davids to sew on their clothes I overheard several teenage girls talking about how cruel it was....they couldn't give them pre-made stars to sew on?  They had to cut out their own?

I had to cry because it was just so sad the level of stupidity. The Nazi's who are going to gas the Jews aren't going to make their lives easier with pre-made stars.

I would have loved to be in the room when the girls came out of the museum.  Just to ask them if they still thought the Nazi's were mean for that reason.
 
2013-03-04 11:36:07 PM
Spielberg's WW2 trilogy:

Empire of the Sun
Schindler's List
Saving Private Ryan

Watching them all in a row on a decent home theater system makes for a sombre day in the end. It gives you a pretty good idea what is must have felt like at the end of the war for a lot of people.
 
2013-03-04 11:36:42 PM

contrapunctus: Schindler's List will probably forever remain in the top 5 of all time greatest films.  It's basically a flawless film (minus whatever historical inaccuracies may exist).

The thing about WW2 is that the more you read about it, the more you realize that there were thousands of stories just like Schindler's.  In spite of the horrors of the time, the human capacity for compassion still existed, and many acts of unbelievable selflessness were performed by silent heroes.  My personal favorite is Maximillian Kolbe; a Polish Catholic priest who saved 2000 Jews by hiding them in his friary.

After being sent to Auschwitz, he offered his own life in exchange for another prisoner:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximilian_Kolbe

If you really want the room to get dusty, listen to this piece of music that Kilar composed in memory of Father Kolbe:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87_PJHH8xE4


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irena_Sendler another great hero
 
2013-03-04 11:43:11 PM
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-04 11:47:36 PM
www.uncp.edu


Judgement at Nerumberg. My parents took us to see it at 11. Not sure what they were thinking.
 
2013-03-04 11:52:30 PM
Fano:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irena_Sendler another great hero

Thanks for the link.  Amazing story.  I've read a bit about the Polish Resistance in the past (the Warsaw uprising stuff is mindblowing).  Somehow, I hadn't read about Sendler yet.
 
2013-03-05 12:00:20 AM
An American Crime.  Just thinking about that movie makes me sick to my stomach.
 
2013-03-05 12:04:11 AM
I know a good date movie
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-03-05 12:05:35 AM
I made the mistake of turning Schindler's List on halfway through about a week ago (it was playing without commercials on something, AMC maybe? as a thing to support the Holocaust video museum that Spielberg had worked on at USC

I remembered it being bad, but it was significantly worse than I had thought - maybe I was just a dumb college kid last time I watched it, but I haven't bawled like a baby at a movie in a long time. That old saying really is true - it's easy to just think of events like that in terms of numbers and death tolls, and sometimes it takes a really talented filmmaker to present it in a way that actually gets you to connect so deeply with the people involved.

I have no idea how old I'd want my kids to be before watching that, but honestly I don't think it's terrible to do it at the early high school level - sometimes people don't really understand how horrific the rest of the world can be, and I feel like that age is really when you need to be exposed to those kind of stories to actually get an appreciation for how important it is to prevent these kinds of things from happening.
 
2013-03-05 12:23:33 AM
How did the other girl turn out?
i723.photobucket.com
NSFW
 
2013-03-05 12:50:26 AM
Nope, I won't watch it. I get what happened. I can't watch it. I have read enough about it that I will do anything in my power to make sure it doesn't happen again...and then it does in some far flung part of the world. Every good life snuffed out by assholes makes me sad, heart sick and angry. the worst part is that there are excuses made for countries the USA is friends with. Seperate the religion from the person and think of innocent little kids being killed...does it matter what their parents believe? Does it really? Every innocent life lost is a major crime against humanity. You can throw out a big number to link a particular death with a belief, but it doesn't change the fact that each person is one person who died, who never should have.
 
2013-03-05 01:01:56 AM

Repsej: Nope, I won't watch it. I get what happened. I can't watch it. I have read enough about it that I will do anything in my power to make sure it doesn't happen again...and then it does in some far flung part of the world. Every good life snuffed out by assholes makes me sad, heart sick and angry. the worst part is that there are excuses made for countries the USA is friends with. Seperate the religion from the person and think of innocent little kids being killed...does it matter what their parents believe? Does it really? Every innocent life lost is a major crime against humanity. You can throw out a big number to link a particular death with a belief, but it doesn't change the fact that each person is one person who died, who never should have.


Good. You seem to have still gotten the lesson: he who saves one life saves the world entire.
 
2013-03-05 01:03:26 AM

BizarreMan: One of the stops that week was the Holocaust Museum. A mind numbing place that was important to go, but we'll never do it again.


When I was in the Navy I had an opportunity to tour Nagasaki and visit the bombing museum around 20 years ago.

Still remember the human outlines flash burned onto sections of brick wall, and a huge case full of thousands of watches and clocks all stopped at the time of the blast, and all the photos of radiation burns on victims.

Creepy stuff.
 
2013-03-05 02:02:04 AM

Delawheredad: <a target="_blank" data-cke-saved-href="karmaceutical

  You can't be serious! While Schindler's list is a historically flawed film the events it portrays really happened.
Life Is Beautiful is fiction through and through and can't compare to real events.


And it was ridiculous nonsense, too, but tell people that you hated Life Is Beautiful and they get all indignant.
 
2013-03-05 02:09:18 AM

saturn badger: [www.uncp.edu image 600x492]


Judgement at Nerumberg. My parents took us to see it at 11. Not sure what they were thinking.


That you'd be home by 2:30, 3 at the latest.
 
2013-03-05 03:17:34 AM
i.dailymail.co.uk

Another shot of the red coat girl
 
2013-03-05 03:56:53 AM

Tyrone Slothrop: She thought that her role was dumbing down the movie by making the horrors of the Holocaust even more blatant?


If you think that was the point of coloring the girl's jacket, then I'm afraid you've missed the point entirely and haven't considered this issue very deeply.  It is easy to follow the vocal minority's gut reaction of "dumbed down"!  It is much harder to analyze these scenes carefully and acknowledge their important role in the film.  The fact is, it would be a lesser film without the coloring of the little girl's jacket.

Consider this interesting technical problem:  in a black and white film, how do you make it clear that Schindler later (much later) sees the little girl's exhumed corpse in a wagon, heading towards a human bonfire?  This is a key moment in the film (as is the first moment that he spots her in the ghetto), and Schindler's viewing of the girl is the primary catalyst for all that follows.  Coloring the girls' jacket was a clever way to solve this problem, as well as introduce an important symbol into the film.  Think about what she represents to the character of Oskar Schindler.  Up to the point of the ghetto evacuation, he has managed to overlook the building horrors around him, rationalizing what is happening as acts of war (and feeling comforted by his own protected status).  Viewing the carnage of the ghetto evacuation from up above, his fixation on the little girl forces him to fully confront the horror before him for the first time.  She is the symbol that catalyzes him to action that will put himself in harm's way.  It is much easier to empathize with individuals who we can relate to, than with groups who are more difficult to relate to, and this is why she's used as a symbol in this way.

It's a great artistic choice that makes the film even more dramatic and Schindler's motivations even clearer.
 
2013-03-05 04:13:24 AM

contrapunctus: Fano:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irena_Sendler another great hero

Thanks for the link.  Amazing story.  I've read a bit about the Polish Resistance in the past (the Warsaw uprising stuff is mindblowing).  Somehow, I hadn't read about Sendler yet.


The thing that most people don't realize is that there were actually TWO Warsaw uprisings.  The first in 943 was the uprising of the Warsaw GhettoThe 1944 uprising was the bigger of the two and the one most people think of.

For those of you who clicked on the Irena Sendler Wiki link, click the link to the Zegota article (Sendler was the head of its children's section)- "The Council to Aid Jews operated under the auspices of the Polish Government in Exile through the Government Delegation for Poland, in Warsaw. Żegota's express purpose was to aid the country's Jews and find places of safety for them in occupied Poland. Poland was the only country in occupied Europe where there existed such a dedicated secret organization"
 
2013-03-05 04:59:14 AM

Delawheredad: Schindler, was as much an opportunist as a hero. He was not a nice guy according to just about everyone who met him or knew him. He was playing both ends off of each other, He also had the foresight to realize that Germany was going to lose the war so he positioned himself for the best possible outcome for himself. In other words he was a gifted politician, no more.  Yes his actions in saving those he did were heroic but Schindler himself was mostly a scumbag. Even a criminal can save a drowning child. His act is heroic it does not alter the fact that he is a criminal.


In a world where people are black and white, either bad or good, this would be an astonishing insight.  Fortunately (because it would be incredibly boring), that world doesn't exist, and everyone (not most people - everyone) is composed of shades of grey.  So the question is not whether someone is "bad" or "good", the question is where they tip on the scale when everything is weighed out.  Whatever else Oskar Schindler did in his life, the fact remains that he risked his own life to save over 1,000 people from nearly certain death.  Personally I think that earns a lot of mulligans, even if his ex-wife might disagree.  I've read that Adolf Hitler was very nice to his dogs and loved animals in general, but he destroyed millions of human lives and irreparably altered the course of history on Earth for the worse.  Clearly these are unforgivable acts of evil, even if his dogs would disagree.  Tip the scales and it's not hard to see that Schindler's story is one that deserves to be told (and Hitler's memory deserves to be reviled), even in tellings that take dramatic and romantic license.
 
j4x
2013-03-05 07:18:44 AM

karmaceutical: Schindler's List is some fairly high grade schmaltz.  Spielberg likes to direct as though the audience is unable to come to their own emotional conclusions.  Or, maybe more to the point, the film is both visually and emotionally monotone.

Compare and contrast with:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x329]


Is that a joke?

Because everything you said there is far more applicable to Life is Beautiful.
 
2013-03-05 10:30:23 AM

Marisyana: meat0918: I've seen it.  I will never watch it again.

I only have two movies on my "Great Movies I Can Never Watch Again"--Schindler's List and Dear Zachary--but the latter packs much more punch because it's a documentary and was being filmed at the time everything was happening.  I don't even have kids and it was like being punched in the stomach repeatedly.


Seconded on Dear Zachary. I think I've only cried at maybe 5 or 6 movies in my life (somehow Schindler's List wasn't one of them) but I couldn't stop weeping during that.
 
2013-03-05 01:39:37 PM

Rwa2play: germ78: T.rex: never saw it... nor have i ever seen Bachelor Party, Blues Brothers, or Jerry McGuire.

DonaldSutherlandPointingInvasionOfBodySnatchers.jpg

It's required viewing if you ever visit Chicago. I've probably seen it enough times to cover everybody in this thread. Classic musical-comedy movie too.

If you've never seen "Blues Brothers" or "Animal House"...you're not a human being in my book.



Not Animal House, either...  Revenge of the Nerds was the film of my generation, to depict partying in college.
 
2013-03-05 02:26:48 PM

T.rex: Rwa2play: germ78: T.rex: never saw it... nor have i ever seen Bachelor Party, Blues Brothers, or Jerry McGuire.

DonaldSutherlandPointingInvasionOfBodySnatchers.jpg

It's required viewing if you ever visit Chicago. I've probably seen it enough times to cover everybody in this thread. Classic musical-comedy movie too.

If you've never seen "Blues Brothers" or "Animal House"...you're not a human being in my book.


Not Animal House, either...  Revenge of the Nerds was the film of my generation, to depict partying in college.


i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-03-06 08:01:04 AM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Rwa2play: Just had to read the synopsis of it and say "Yeah, won't watch this, ever." Not because it stinks....but because how heartbreaking it must seem to be.

Pretty much.

I mean... I wouldn't stop anyone from watching it, but I feel that fair warnings are due: it will totally and thoroughly crush your soul.


There's a reason they released it with the more up-tempo "My Neighbor Totoro"...
 
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