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(Yahoo)   Oliwia Dabrowska, the 'red coat girl' from Schindler's List, broke a promise to Steven Spielberg and watched the movie at age eleven. Guess how she felt about it   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 163
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2013-03-04 07:41:03 PM  

Eirik: He may have been a bit of a scumbag, but there are still a couple thousand workers that would have been dead had he not intervened  and in the end he walked away with little.


It's almost like there's little correlation between the purity of one's intent and objective outcome of actions serving that intent.
 
2013-03-04 07:41:27 PM  

meat0918: I've seen it.  I will never watch it again.


I only have two movies on my "Great Movies I Can Never Watch Again"--Schindler's List and Dear Zachary--but the latter packs much more punch because it's a documentary and was being filmed at the time everything was happening.  I don't even have kids and it was like being punched in the stomach repeatedly.
 
2013-03-04 07:47:42 PM  

Marisyana: meat0918: I've seen it.  I will never watch it again.

I only have two movies on my "Great Movies I Can Never Watch Again"--Schindler's List and Dear Zachary--but the latter packs much more punch because it's a documentary and was being filmed at the time everything was happening.  I don't even have kids and it was like being punched in the stomach repeatedly.


Jacob's Ladder
A Perfect World
 
2013-03-04 07:51:28 PM  
I saw Schindler's List with my now ex-husband and his mother.  Afterward, his mother spent 2 or 3 hours telling us about her step-father who survived the camps but lost his first wife and daughter.  Very sobering night, as I'm not even sure exactly how much my ex-husband knew about his Poppa's life before getting married to his Nonna.  I'm now figuring when to sit and watch it with our daughters (they're 17 and 16.)  All I do know is that I want my ex-MIL present, so she can share her family's history with the girls.

/css
 
2013-03-04 08:08:09 PM  

karmaceutical: Schindler's List is some fairly high grade schmaltz.  Spielberg likes to direct as though the audience is unable to come to their own emotional conclusions.  Or, maybe more to the point, the film is both visually and emotionally monotone.

Compare and contrast with:


Compare and contrast? Gladly,

Schindler's List: Masterful filmmaking. Brutal and harrowing,

Life is Beautiful: Piece of shiat. Probably the most undeserved Oscar ever awarded.
 
2013-03-04 08:12:00 PM  
So when i watched Schindlers list i wasn't terribly broken up. Sure its sad -- the subject matter it covers is a huge bummer and any film about it is going to be a bummer.

No point in getting bent out of shape at the realization that people can be cruel terrible creatures. Thats life man -- if you need Liam Neeson and Spielberg to pound the realization up your butt then your glasses must be pretty damn rosy.

Grave of the fireflies is the same way -- its terribly sad and yes its very depressing subject matter. But im hard pressed to feel that broken up. Crap like that has been happening since the begging of humanity and it will keep happening every day for hundreds of years to come. I dont need the death of a 5 year old girl in a red coat to make it painful. Humanity is painful. The nature of life itself is pain and the pain we inflict on others because we dont understand our own. I dont need some director to pound it in like a dowel thats too large for its hole.

Movies like this all i can imagine is Spielberg sitting behind you whispering in your ear what you are supposed to feel during each scene. I get it - the holocaust was a horrifying incident that turned people into animals and monsters and yet some part of the human spirit overcame it.

Replace holocaust in that last sentence with any conflict in human history im sure the same story can be told over and over and over. Rwanda, Ukraine, Cambodia, Nanjing, First nations peoples in north america when europeans started settling...

Schindlers list was only really a huge buzzkill if you weren't already bummed out by human life and existentialism in the first place.  It reminds me of the Swedish bartender in the simpsons:

"If I ever get a hold of you I will thank you for showing me the futility of human endeavor."
 
2013-03-04 08:19:59 PM  

mikefinch: So when i watched Schindlers list i wasn't terribly broken up. Sure its sad -- the subject matter it covers is a huge bummer and any film about it is going to be a bummer.

No point in getting bent out of shape at the realization that people can be cruel terrible creatures. Thats life man -- if you need Liam Neeson and Spielberg to pound the realization up your butt then your glasses must be pretty damn rosy.

Grave of the fireflies is the same way -- its terribly sad and yes its very depressing subject matter. But im hard pressed to feel that broken up. Crap like that has been happening since the begging of humanity and it will keep happening every day for hundreds of years to come. I dont need the death of a 5 year old girl in a red coat to make it painful. Humanity is painful. The nature of life itself is pain and the pain we inflict on others because we dont understand our own. I dont need some director to pound it in like a dowel thats too large for its hole.

Movies like this all i can imagine is Spielberg sitting behind you whispering in your ear what you are supposed to feel during each scene. I get it - the holocaust was a horrifying incident that turned people into animals and monsters and yet some part of the human spirit overcame it.

Replace holocaust in that last sentence with any conflict in human history im sure the same story can be told over and over and over. Rwanda, Ukraine, Cambodia, Nanjing, First nations peoples in north america when europeans started settling...

Schindlers list was only really a huge buzzkill if you weren't already bummed out by human life and existentialism in the first place.  It reminds me of the Swedish bartender in the simpsons:

"If I ever get a hold of you I will thank you for showing me the futility of human endeavor."


Well, now we have the depressed existentialist point of view.

Have we heard from the glass half-full crowd?  How about a representative from the self-actualized?
 
2013-03-04 08:24:36 PM  

RexTalionis: RexTalionis: I saw that movie on NBC when it was broadcasted uninterrupted in 1997. I liked it. I thought it was a great movie.

Was 13 at the time.


I was 13 as well. My dad taped it for us off NBC. He wanted us to watch it with him, so we could talk about it afterward. Many hours and tears later, he began to regret it.

Not so css.
 
2013-03-04 08:27:04 PM  

T.rex: As far as i'm concerned, its the finest film ever made...  I don't want to hear about historical inaccuracies, and soforth... The point of the movie is not to tell us about Schindler's life...  The point of the movie is to depict the horror of The Holocause, but juxtapose it with an indomitable human spirt in the face of such adversity.


I agree. Can't count the number of times I've viewed the movie and name it as my favorite.  I'm told it's a passe choice, but any movie I can watch multiple times and feel the horror and emotions every. single. time. is #1 as far as I'm concerned.

/girl in the red coat kills me
//KILLS me
 
2013-03-04 08:36:08 PM  

Lunchlady: mrlewish: Why are some of you so traumatized? You do know crap like that still happens in one form or another.

Yeah this.

Seriously was this the first time any of you learned about the Holocaust or did you just not know what you were getting yourself into?


When it came out one of the women I worked with at the time went to see it. At coffee break the next day, she says this -- "did you know there were 6,000,000 Jews killed by Hitler?" She was in her mid 40s at the time. Around the break table were two other women she had gone to high school with, an older women in her 70s (her husband was a WWII vet), me (age 35) and another co-worker who was about 25. We all just stared at her. One of people who had gone to high school with her reminded her it was taught to them, which she denied. She swore she had never heard about the Holocaust until the movie.
 
2013-03-04 08:43:33 PM  

yellowcat: Lunchlady: mrlewish: Why are some of you so traumatized? You do know crap like that still happens in one form or another.

Yeah this.

Seriously was this the first time any of you learned about the Holocaust or did you just not know what you were getting yourself into?

When it came out one of the women I worked with at the time went to see it. At coffee break the next day, she says this -- "did you know there were 6,000,000 Jews killed by Hitler?" She was in her mid 40s at the time. Around the break table were two other women she had gone to high school with, an older women in her 70s (her husband was a WWII vet), me (age 35) and another co-worker who was about 25. We all just stared at her. One of people who had gone to high school with her reminded her it was taught to them, which she denied. She swore she had never heard about the Holocaust until the movie.



fearandarrogance.com
 
2013-03-04 08:46:09 PM  
The only movie about any holocaust you need to see:
 
2013-03-04 08:46:52 PM  
Damn page threw away my link.

cdn-1.nflximg.com
 
2013-03-04 08:49:07 PM  
I saw it in college in one of those older, single screen theaters that could hold a massive number of people.  For as gut wrenching as the movie was, the sound of half the audience just sobbing at points was just farking brutal.
 
2013-03-04 08:50:38 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: mikefinch: So when i watched Schindlers list i wasn't terribly broken up. Sure its sad -- the subject matter it covers is a huge bummer and any film about it is going to be a bummer.

No point in getting bent out of shape at the realization that people can be cruel terrible creatures. Thats life man -- if you need Liam Neeson and Spielberg to pound the realization up your butt then your glasses must be pretty damn rosy.

Grave of the fireflies is the same way -- its terribly sad and yes its very depressing subject matter. But im hard pressed to feel that broken up. Crap like that has been happening since the begging of humanity and it will keep happening every day for hundreds of years to come. I dont need the death of a 5 year old girl in a red coat to make it painful. Humanity is painful. The nature of life itself is pain and the pain we inflict on others because we dont understand our own. I dont need some director to pound it in like a dowel thats too large for its hole.

Movies like this all i can imagine is Spielberg sitting behind you whispering in your ear what you are supposed to feel during each scene. I get it - the holocaust was a horrifying incident that turned people into animals and monsters and yet some part of the human spirit overcame it.

Replace holocaust in that last sentence with any conflict in human history im sure the same story can be told over and over and over. Rwanda, Ukraine, Cambodia, Nanjing, First nations peoples in north america when europeans started settling...

Schindlers list was only really a huge buzzkill if you weren't already bummed out by human life and existentialism in the first place.  It reminds me of the Swedish bartender in the simpsons:

"If I ever get a hold of you I will thank you for showing me the futility of human endeavor."

Well, now we have the depressed existentialist point of view.

Have we heard from the glass half-full crowd?  How about a representative from the self-actualized?


I think it's more to the point that there are millions of people out there that A: believe the Holocaust never happened or B: believe it did happen, but regret that the Nazis were stopped before they could finish the job.

/Stalin and Mao were far worse, numbers-wise
 
2013-03-04 08:52:25 PM  

gunga galunga: Life is Beautiful: Piece of shiat. Probably the most undeserved Oscar ever awarded.


I thought Life is Beautiful was basically two movies. I found the first half to be rather charming and the second to be stupid and ridiculous.
 
2013-03-04 08:53:32 PM  

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: jake3988: Yeah... that's why I haven't watched it.

I'd probably be depressed for 2 weeks after watching it.

You assume correctly, I would think.

I'd be greatly concerned for the people who WOULDN'T be greatly depressed after watching it.

Depression is practically an inevitable result of watching Grave of the Fireflies.


Yeah, fair word of warning for those who get easily depressed:  "Grave of the Fireflies" is one to definitely avoid.
 
2013-03-04 08:54:57 PM  

germ78: T.rex: never saw it... nor have i ever seen Bachelor Party, Blues Brothers, or Jerry McGuire.

DonaldSutherlandPointingInvasionOfBodySnatchers.jpg

It's required viewing if you ever visit Chicago. I've probably seen it enough times to cover everybody in this thread. Classic musical-comedy movie too.


If you've never seen "Blues Brothers" or "Animal House"...you're not a human being in my book.
 
2013-03-04 09:00:43 PM  
In college we used to pay to see one movie and sneak into a second (and sometimes a third) for free.

Worst double feature ever?  Schindler's List and Ace Ventura Pet Detective.

The best, oddly enough, was Goodfellas and Home Alone.  It seemed as though at any moment Pesci might throw the Culkin kid to the ground and stomp him to death.  And that felt wonderful.
 
2013-03-04 09:14:39 PM  

NotaryDPO: In college we used to pay to see one movie and sneak into a second (and sometimes a third) for free.

Worst double feature ever?  Schindler's List and Ace Ventura Pet Detective.

The best, oddly enough, was Goodfellas and Home Alone.  It seemed as though at any moment Pesci might throw the Culkin kid to the ground and stomp him to death.  And that felt wonderful.


I saw a double feature of Ghostbusters 2 and sleeping with the enemy on a first date in South America.  It was great by my Colombian girlfriend at the time was none too happy I found both equally hilarious.
 
2013-03-04 09:17:48 PM  
"Schindler's List" is the Holocaust movie for people who will only contemplate the Holocaust if Speilberg's directing it.
 
2013-03-04 09:25:17 PM  
ic.pics.livejournal.com
 
Byn
2013-03-04 09:27:58 PM  

Marisyana: meat0918: I've seen it.  I will never watch it again.

I only have two movies on my "Great Movies I Can Never Watch Again"--Schindler's List and Dear Zachary--but the latter packs much more punch because it's a documentary and was being filmed at the time everything was happening.  I don't even have kids and it was like being punched in the stomach repeatedly.


Dear Zachary was farking traumatizing. Amazing film, but my god... Never again.
 
2013-03-04 09:38:01 PM  

Byn: Marisyana: meat0918: I've seen it.  I will never watch it again.

I only have two movies on my "Great Movies I Can Never Watch Again"--Schindler's List and Dear Zachary--but the latter packs much more punch because it's a documentary and was being filmed at the time everything was happening.  I don't even have kids and it was like being punched in the stomach repeatedly.

Dear Zachary was farking traumatizing. Amazing film, but my god... Never again.


I just read the wiki for Dear Zachary and, well shiat. The wiki was bad enough, there is no way I could watch that.
 
2013-03-04 09:40:29 PM  
Tears don't make good lube.
 
2013-03-04 09:48:19 PM  
I liked it and would watch it again.

sophie made her choice and I made mine too
 
2013-03-04 09:53:10 PM  

Via Infinito: Byn: Marisyana: meat0918: I've seen it.  I will never watch it again.

I only have two movies on my "Great Movies I Can Never Watch Again"--Schindler's List and Dear Zachary--but the latter packs much more punch because it's a documentary and was being filmed at the time everything was happening.  I don't even have kids and it was like being punched in the stomach repeatedly.

Dear Zachary was farking traumatizing. Amazing film, but my god... Never again.

I just read the wiki for Dear Zachary and, well shiat. The wiki was bad enough, there is no way I could watch that.


huh. i remember when that happened

nothing ever good comes out of counciltucky

no, nothing
 
2013-03-04 10:04:54 PM  

Crewmannumber6: meat0918: I've seen it.  I will never watch it again.

Definitely a 'One timer'. So was The Wind That Shakes The Barley and The Magdalene Sisters


Same with The Boy in the Striped Pajamas. Man, that movie was great, but fark that movie.
 
2013-03-04 10:05:16 PM  
I think I was about 16 when I saw Schindler's List. Then a year later I studied it in school and had to read the book. I don't think it had a powerful impact on me as it was deconstructed to death.

Until years later, when I saw The Pianist, I was struck with the absolute absurdity of the Holocaust. It just didn't make any sense that a group of people would be targeted in such an inhumane way.
 
2013-03-04 10:10:48 PM  
Schindler's List - Grave of the Fireflies - The Road - The Mist cage fight!! GO!
 
2013-03-04 10:29:34 PM  

Gleeman: Schindler's List - Grave of the Fireflies - The Road - The Mist cage fight!! GO!


The Fox and the Hound. :P
 
2013-03-04 10:33:46 PM  
Fap?
 
2013-03-04 10:43:20 PM  

Bedstead Polisher: I think I was about 16 when I saw Schindler's List. Then a year later I studied it in school and had to read the book. I don't think it had a powerful impact on me as it was deconstructed to death.

Until years later, when I saw The Pianist, I was struck with the absolute absurdity of the Holocaust. It just didn't make any sense that a group of people would be targeted in such an inhumane way.


Extermination of races is not a recent idea.  It's just angry ruling men being angry ruling men.
 
2013-03-04 10:45:08 PM  
Since we're talking about one-timers, how about a TV episode?

CSI: Grave Danger.  Awesome episode of CSI.  Probably one of the best in the series.  Some of Tarantino's better work.

I've watched it straight through once.  Since that point, I can't do it.  I don't know if it's the whole buried alive bit, or the fact that 3/4 of the episode is essentially the antagonist giving the great big finger to the CSIs, or if it's the last half-hour, where the shiat doesn't hit the fan - it gets propelled into it.  Yeah, ultimately, it ends well (relatively).  But Christ, that's a tough two hours to watch.
 
2013-03-04 10:47:08 PM  

Marisyana: meat0918: I've seen it.  I will never watch it again.

I only have two movies on my "Great Movies I Can Never Watch Again"--Schindler's List and Dear Zachary--but the latter packs much more punch because it's a documentary and was being filmed at the time everything was happening.  I don't even have kids and it was like being punched in the stomach repeatedly.


although I wouldn't call them "great movies", I would like to say I share your sentiment when I add "The Heart is Deceitful Above All Things" and "Salo: 120 Days of Sodom" to such a list.
 
2013-03-04 10:49:33 PM  
I agree with most of you. Schindler's List was a beautiful, haunting film that I am glad that I saw and will never watch ever again.
 
2013-03-04 10:56:40 PM  
soo...most of ya never seen actual footage of the holocaust?
Stay away from clips of children in the Warsaw Ghetto.
 
2013-03-04 11:17:48 PM  

SithLord: Bedstead Polisher: I think I was about 16 when I saw Schindler's List. Then a year later I studied it in school and had to read the book. I don't think it had a powerful impact on me as it was deconstructed to death.

Until years later, when I saw The Pianist, I was struck with the absolute absurdity of the Holocaust. It just didn't make any sense that a group of people would be targeted in such an inhumane way.

Extermination of races is not a recent idea.  It's just angry ruling men being angry ruling men.


You would know...
 
2013-03-04 11:33:46 PM  
Schindler's List will probably forever remain in the top 5 of all time greatest films.  It's basically a flawless film (minus whatever historical inaccuracies may exist).

The thing about WW2 is that the more you read about it, the more you realize that there were thousands of stories just like Schindler's.  In spite of the horrors of the time, the human capacity for compassion still existed, and many acts of unbelievable selflessness were performed by silent heroes.  My personal favorite is Maximillian Kolbe; a Polish Catholic priest who saved 2000 Jews by hiding them in his friary.

After being sent to Auschwitz, he offered his own life in exchange for another prisoner:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximilian_Kolbe

If you really want the room to get dusty, listen to this piece of music that Kilar composed in memory of Father Kolbe:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87_PJHH8xE4
 
2013-03-04 11:35:58 PM  
Back in 2005 my wife and I took our twelve year old daughter to Washington DC.  One of the stops that week was the Holocaust Museum.  A mind numbing place that was important to go, but we'll never do it again.

While waiting for our time slot for the big museum, we wandered through the "children's" section.  Toned down stories that encompass some of the horror, but for the younger set.

In one of the rooms, where they talked about how the Jews had to make the Yellow Star of Davids to sew on their clothes I overheard several teenage girls talking about how cruel it was....they couldn't give them pre-made stars to sew on?  They had to cut out their own?

I had to cry because it was just so sad the level of stupidity. The Nazi's who are going to gas the Jews aren't going to make their lives easier with pre-made stars.

I would have loved to be in the room when the girls came out of the museum.  Just to ask them if they still thought the Nazi's were mean for that reason.
 
2013-03-04 11:36:07 PM  
Spielberg's WW2 trilogy:

Empire of the Sun
Schindler's List
Saving Private Ryan

Watching them all in a row on a decent home theater system makes for a sombre day in the end. It gives you a pretty good idea what is must have felt like at the end of the war for a lot of people.
 
2013-03-04 11:36:42 PM  

contrapunctus: Schindler's List will probably forever remain in the top 5 of all time greatest films.  It's basically a flawless film (minus whatever historical inaccuracies may exist).

The thing about WW2 is that the more you read about it, the more you realize that there were thousands of stories just like Schindler's.  In spite of the horrors of the time, the human capacity for compassion still existed, and many acts of unbelievable selflessness were performed by silent heroes.  My personal favorite is Maximillian Kolbe; a Polish Catholic priest who saved 2000 Jews by hiding them in his friary.

After being sent to Auschwitz, he offered his own life in exchange for another prisoner:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximilian_Kolbe

If you really want the room to get dusty, listen to this piece of music that Kilar composed in memory of Father Kolbe:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87_PJHH8xE4


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irena_Sendler another great hero
 
2013-03-04 11:43:11 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-04 11:47:36 PM  
www.uncp.edu


Judgement at Nerumberg. My parents took us to see it at 11. Not sure what they were thinking.
 
2013-03-04 11:52:30 PM  
Fano:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irena_Sendler another great hero

Thanks for the link.  Amazing story.  I've read a bit about the Polish Resistance in the past (the Warsaw uprising stuff is mindblowing).  Somehow, I hadn't read about Sendler yet.
 
2013-03-05 12:00:20 AM  
An American Crime.  Just thinking about that movie makes me sick to my stomach.
 
2013-03-05 12:04:11 AM  
I know a good date movie
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-03-05 12:05:35 AM  
I made the mistake of turning Schindler's List on halfway through about a week ago (it was playing without commercials on something, AMC maybe? as a thing to support the Holocaust video museum that Spielberg had worked on at USC

I remembered it being bad, but it was significantly worse than I had thought - maybe I was just a dumb college kid last time I watched it, but I haven't bawled like a baby at a movie in a long time. That old saying really is true - it's easy to just think of events like that in terms of numbers and death tolls, and sometimes it takes a really talented filmmaker to present it in a way that actually gets you to connect so deeply with the people involved.

I have no idea how old I'd want my kids to be before watching that, but honestly I don't think it's terrible to do it at the early high school level - sometimes people don't really understand how horrific the rest of the world can be, and I feel like that age is really when you need to be exposed to those kind of stories to actually get an appreciation for how important it is to prevent these kinds of things from happening.
 
2013-03-05 12:23:33 AM  
How did the other girl turn out?
i723.photobucket.com
NSFW
 
2013-03-05 12:50:26 AM  
Nope, I won't watch it. I get what happened. I can't watch it. I have read enough about it that I will do anything in my power to make sure it doesn't happen again...and then it does in some far flung part of the world. Every good life snuffed out by assholes makes me sad, heart sick and angry. the worst part is that there are excuses made for countries the USA is friends with. Seperate the religion from the person and think of innocent little kids being killed...does it matter what their parents believe? Does it really? Every innocent life lost is a major crime against humanity. You can throw out a big number to link a particular death with a belief, but it doesn't change the fact that each person is one person who died, who never should have.
 
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