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(Yahoo)   Oliwia Dabrowska, the 'red coat girl' from Schindler's List, broke a promise to Steven Spielberg and watched the movie at age eleven. Guess how she felt about it   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 163
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2013-03-04 05:53:01 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: I mean, I love TLJ's work and thought he was good in The Fugitive, but I didn't think he was THAT good, and definitely not better than the other four nominees.


I don't generally pay attention to the Oscars, and this is why. I can't vouch for Postlethwaite or DiCaprio, but both Fiennes and Malkovich would deserve the award over Tommy Lee Jones in my opinion.
 
2013-03-04 05:53:07 PM

WippitGuud: If you want something less anime, The Road is something to watch. Christ that movie just knocked you down and kept kicking and kicking...


Boy howdy, The Road's tough.

The book's even harder.  I mean, the movie left stuff *out.*
 
2013-03-04 05:53:42 PM
Schindler's List kicked ass.
 
2013-03-04 05:54:45 PM
I watched it once and barely remember it. Not that it was bad, but I think that my mind blocked out how heartwrenching it was. I think that I caught it on NBC in 1997, too. Lets see... I was 15 or 16, depending upon the air date.

I have never seen Grave of the Fireflies, but I want to. I was curious about Watership Down, and might yet, but the one with the dogs, never in a million years. Although it is completely different, after carrying my bleeding dog into a vet, her blood all over my shirt, crying and begging for them to save her, anything involving the abuse of dogs (animals in general, but dogs especially) tears me apart.

/going to hug my basset and rub her belly now
 
2013-03-04 05:57:03 PM
farking movie ratings, how do they work?
 
2013-03-04 05:59:05 PM

Gig103: I don't generally pay attention to the Oscars, and this is why. I can't vouch for Postlethwaite or DiCaprio, but both Fiennes and Malkovich would deserve the award over Tommy Lee Jones in my opinion.


Mmhmm.  Got that right.

Fiennes, well... we all know how utterly terrifying he was in Schindler's List.

Malkovich, he plays the consummate action movie bad guy to perfection.

DiCaprio isn't everyone's cup of tea, but he committed to the role and did a damn fine job.

Postlethwaite was once called "the best actor in the world."  In the Name of the Father is definitely worth checking out, and a big part of its success is Postlethwaite's hauntingly dignified performance.  The only reason why In the Name of the Father lost the Best Picture Oscar that year was because Spielberg made something truly towering and unforgettable with Schindler's List.  Had it been released a year before or a year after, it would have stood a much better chance of taking the top prize; as it stands now, it's a fantastic film and a testament to Jim Sheridan's skill as a director.

All that to say this: they got it *so* wrong with Tommy Lee Jones that year, it's not even funny.  And I say that as a big TLJ fan.
 
2013-03-04 06:01:17 PM

Anastacya: I have never seen Grave of the Fireflies, but I want to.


Be warned: you're in for a rough one.
 
2013-03-04 06:02:07 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: -Ralph Fiennes for Schindler's List
-Pete Postlethwaite for In the Name of the Father
-John Malkovich for In the Line of the Fire
-Leonardo DiCaprio for What's Eating Gilbert Grape


Errr... In the Line of Fire, rather.
 
mhd
2013-03-04 06:03:25 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: The book's even harder. I mean, the movie left stuff *out.*


I have to admit that the book's writing style didn't really grab me, so the content didn't either. I tried reading Blood Meridian afterwards, as a co-worker with generally rather good taste (better than my nerdish bent) basically worshiped McCarthy. Didn't float my boat that much, either.

/It all kinda read like a nihilist version of a Hesse-style bildungsroman, for what that's worth
 
2013-03-04 06:05:10 PM
I hope she told him he should have cut the "If only I could have saved more!" scene.
 
2013-03-04 06:05:19 PM
I saw it in theaters and don't remember much about it.  i remember being called an anti-semite by a friends' jewish girlfriend because I said i didn't like it.  i probably meant "it way to serious of subject matter' but whatever i said, she said i was an anti-semite and she was pissed.  ehhh.


i don't like "serious" movies. movies for me are escapism, and being reminded of really awful things just brings me down.  the only exception i can think of in recent memory, meaning where i voluntarily chose to watch a movie i knew was "serious", was the 2009-ish "Berlin" or "Munich" movie, about the 1972 Olympic hostage incident, because I have read so many books and documentaries about that.  the subject matter more or less dicated that i had to watch it.

I saw Argo too, but I didn't know about he fake movie.  I thought it was about the failed raid to get the hostages out.  it was a pleasant surprise not to know anything about the movie and then be blown away by it.
 
2013-03-04 06:05:45 PM

mhd: I have to admit that the book's writing style didn't really grab me, so the content didn't either. I tried reading Blood Meridian afterwards, as a co-worker with generally rather good taste (better than my nerdish bent) basically worshiped McCarthy. Didn't float my boat that much, either.

/It all kinda read like a nihilist version of a Hesse-style bildungsroman, for what that's worth


I dig, I follow.  At the risk of sounding redundant about something I wrote about DiCaprio, McCarthy can be hit or miss.

That said, I thought there were elements of No Country for Old Men that worked better on the page than on the silver screen (which is not to say that I didn't love the hell out of the movie, not at all).
 
2013-03-04 06:05:55 PM

Eirik: I watched it in college with a couple friends   We sat, unable to move, until the credits were over and the house lights came back on.  We were far from the only ones that did that (it was in the 1000 seat Fremont theater in San Luis Obispo.  It wasn't full, but many people seems stuck in their seats.)

When we walked out onto the street, my friend said, "That was the greatest movie I'll never watch again."  I kind of agreed with him,

/Won't let my kids see it until at least high school.
//Classic animated fare for the time being.
///I'm hearing good things about this "Grave of the Fireflies".  I'll have to rent it for them this weekend.


Two more movies to recommend...


Dancer in the Dark (starring Bjork)

Aurore (french... two version, one filmed in the 50s, and a remake from a few years ago... both worthy to be watched).
 
2013-03-04 06:06:20 PM

T.rex: I don't want to hear about historical inaccuracies, and soforth... The point of the movie is not to tell us about Schindler's life...


Some truths need no exaggeration. Even if for effect (dramatic or otherwise).

And the movie was directly based off of a book whose raison d'être was to tell us about Schindler's life during the Holocaust.

/yeah, i'm the life of every party.
 
2013-03-04 06:07:30 PM
Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener
I mean... I wouldn't stop anyone from watching it, but I feel that fair warnings are due: it will totally and thoroughly crush your soul.
=======================================================

Yeah... that's why I haven't watched it.

I'd probably be depressed for 2 weeks after watching it.
 
2013-03-04 06:08:34 PM
"I think Schindler's List is a fantastic film. And I didn't watch it at the cinema actually. I got it out on video, about a year later - by mistake - 'cause I'd never heard of it and I was in Blockbuster sort of late one night. I was a bit drunk, and I thought it was a porn film. No, 'cause I saw 18 certificate, top shelf. I thought, oh, black and white - dodgy home movie, German sounding - they're the best, and what swung it was that quote on the back from Barry Norman: "Have a box of Kleenex ready". Rubbish, I used about two. Well, there was a shower scene."

-Ricky Gervais
 
2013-03-04 06:11:54 PM

jake3988: Yeah... that's why I haven't watched it.

I'd probably be depressed for 2 weeks after watching it.


You assume correctly, I would think.

I'd be greatly concerned for the people who WOULDN'T be greatly depressed after watching it.

Depression is practically an inevitable result of watching Grave of the Fireflies.
 
2013-03-04 06:12:20 PM

rickythepenguin: the only exception i can think of in recent memory, meaning where i voluntarily chose to watch a movie i knew was "serious", was the 2009-ish "Berlin" or "Munich" movie, about the 1972 Olympic hostage incident,


i would kinda throw in the Tom Cruise "Valkyrie" movie, although it was a different kind of downer.  That had the bad luck of being released right about the time Tom had his "you haven't studied scientology the way I have" and flipping out on Oprah's couch moment so his popularity was at a low point.  my wife and i got movie times mixed up, and what we wanted to see had started, so we were like, "ehhh, screw it, already got a babysitter, let's watch the tom cruise movie".

that movie is freaking awesome.  harrowing, at times.  set aside your opinions of tom cruise and just buy in.  you'll enjoy the performance.
 
2013-03-04 06:13:15 PM

Eirik: ///I'm hearing good things about this "Grave of the Fireflies".  I'll have to rent it for them this weekend.


Make it a double feature with My Neighbor Totoro. Play Totoro second.
 
2013-03-04 06:14:39 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Anastacya: I have never seen Grave of the Fireflies, but I want to.

Be warned: you're in for a rough one.


Thank you, I have heard that. I know the story (roughly), so I have steeled myself somewhat.
 
2013-03-04 06:15:02 PM

Eirik: ///I'm hearing good things about this "Grave of the Fireflies".  I'll have to rent it for them this weekend.


Not sure if you're kidding, but just in case: Watch it yourself first to see if you think it's appropriate for kids.

Yes, the main characters are kids and it's animated, but I would NEVER show that movie to my daughter.
 
2013-03-04 06:15:19 PM

mhd: /It all kinda read like a nihilist version of a Hesse-style bildungsroman, for what that's worth



yeah, but your legerdemain is the cthonic bailiwick of a rubric of portmanteau.
 
2013-03-04 06:16:15 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: The thing about the Academy Awards that year was how all four of the better Supporting Actor nominees lost to the least of the nominees.

You had...

-Ralph Fiennes for Schindler's List
-Pete Postlethwaite for In the Name of the Father
-John Malkovich for In the Line of the Fire
-Leonardo DiCaprio for What's Eating Gilbert Grape

... all losing to Tommy Lee Jones for The Fugitive.

Huh?

I mean, I love TLJ's work and thought he was good in The Fugitive, but I didn't think he was THAT good, and definitely not better than the other four nominees.


I suspect the four really good nominees split the vote of the serious voters and TLJ benefited when he got the votes from the member who only had time/interest to see the Fugitive.   I wish they'd reveal the totals so we could see by how many votes he won.
 
2013-03-04 06:16:54 PM
Schindler's List is some fairly high grade schmaltz.  Spielberg likes to direct as though the audience is unable to come to their own emotional conclusions.  Or, maybe more to the point, the film is both visually and emotionally monotone.

Compare and contrast with:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-03-04 06:19:25 PM
Schindler, was as much an opportunist as a hero. He was not a nice guy according to just about everyone who met him or knew him. He was playing both ends off of each other, He also had the foresight to realize that Germany was going to lose the war so he positioned himself for the best possible outcome for himself. In other words he was a gifted politician, no more.  Yes his actions in saving those he did were heroic but Schindler himself was mostly a scumbag. Even a criminal can save a drowning child. His act is heroic it does not alter the fact that he is a criminal.
 
2013-03-04 06:19:37 PM

Anastacya: Thank you, I have heard that. I know the story (roughly), so I have steeled myself somewhat.


*nods*

Fair enough.

Good luck, anyways.


beakerxf: I suspect the four really good nominees split the vote of the serious voters and TLJ benefited when he got the votes from the member who only had time/interest to see the Fugitive. I wish they'd reveal the totals so we could see by how many votes he won.


You know, the vote splitting theory *would* explain the whole thing, wouldn't it?

I'd love to see those totals, too, but the Academy would never let those numbers go public.  (Actors' egos can be very fragile like that.)
 
2013-03-04 06:22:10 PM

karmaceutical: Schindler's List is some fairly high grade schmaltz.  Spielberg likes to direct as though the audience is unable to come to their own emotional conclusions.  Or, maybe more to the point, the film is both visually and emotionally monotone.

Compare and contrast with:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x329]


I have never seen Life is Beautiful but I couldn't disagree with you more about Schindler's List.  That was the least Spielbergian movie Spielberg ever made.  It was brutal, unforgiving and unflinching.  I thought it was brilliantly shot, evocative and inspiring but never trying to be so intentionally artful that it strayed from the fact that this was a very farked up time and things were bleak--everywhere.  Emotionally monotone?  Were you expecting highs to go with the lows?  I wasn't.
 
2013-03-04 06:22:10 PM
Call me when we find out she made a film with Rocco on one of his trips to eastern europe.
 
2013-03-04 06:27:40 PM
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  You can't be serious! While Schindler's list is a historically flawed film the events it portrays really happened.
Life Is Beautiful is fiction through and through and can't compare to real events.
 
2013-03-04 06:31:58 PM

Sinbox: As a movie it's very well made (great acting, great technical specs, great cinematagraphy, great score)

As history (especially the history of Oskar Shindler), it's grade-A bullpucky..


We can stop right there. If it were a documentary, there might be some point in noting that Schindler probably didn't cry, but it's not. It's a film and that means that artistic license is in play. So what if there were historical problems? That's missing the point.
 
2013-03-04 06:34:27 PM
To everyone who says they can't watch Schindler's List again, stay away from Come and See.
 
2013-03-04 06:36:18 PM

Delawheredad: Schindler, was as much an opportunist as a hero. He was not a nice guy according to just about everyone who met him or knew him. He was playing both ends off of each other, He also had the foresight to realize that Germany was going to lose the war so he positioned himself for the best possible outcome for himself. In other words he was a gifted politician, no more.  Yes his actions in saving those he did were heroic but Schindler himself was mostly a scumbag. Even a criminal can save a drowning child. His act is heroic it does not alter the fact that he is a criminal.


Perhaps, but what he did do could have gotten himself shot by the Nazis right up to the end of the war, and hung by the allies after.  It's been a long time since I read the book about him, but IIRC, he did a number of things starting much earlier in the war that were overtly helping and saving his workers.

He may have been a bit of a scumbag, but there are still a couple thousand workers that would have been dead had he not intervened  and in the end he walked away with little.
 
2013-03-04 06:43:40 PM
This is the most accurate description of first world problem ever,,,

Millions of Jews, Gypsys, Homosexuals and Undesirables were systematically murdered over the best part of a decade, and a girl in a movie is traumatised simply because she wore a red coat....oh noes, let me get the waaaaaahhmbulance...
 
2013-03-04 06:46:18 PM
i.imgur.com

/obligatory
 
2013-03-04 06:54:40 PM

mrlewish: Why are some of you so traumatized? You do know crap like that still happens in one form or another.


Yeah this.

Seriously was this the first time any of you learned about the Holocaust or did you just not know what you were getting yourself into?
 
2013-03-04 06:59:35 PM

karmaceutical: Schindler's List is some fairly high grade schmaltz.  Spielberg likes to direct as though the audience is unable to come to their own emotional conclusions.  Or, maybe more to the point, the film is both visually and emotionally monotone.

Compare and contrast with:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x329]


I think both movies were great, but Life Is Beautiful is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more schmaltzy than Schindler's List.

It's not even close.
 
2013-03-04 06:59:44 PM

karmaceutical: Schindler's List is some fairly high grade schmaltz.  Spielberg likes to direct as though the audience is unable to come to their own emotional conclusions.  Or, maybe more to the point, the film is both visually and emotionally monotone.

Compare and contrast with:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x329]


Is that the movie with that ridiculous tuscan ham that stunk up the joint in Woody Allen's last movie?
 
2013-03-04 07:00:07 PM

Delawheredad: Schindler, was as much an opportunist as a hero. He was not a nice guy according to just about everyone who met him or knew him. He was playing both ends off of each other, He also had the foresight to realize that Germany was going to lose the war so he positioned himself for the best possible outcome for himself. In other words he was a gifted politician, no more.  Yes his actions in saving those he did were heroic but Schindler himself was mostly a scumbag. Even a criminal can save a drowning child. His act is heroic it does not alter the fact that he is a criminal.


None of anything you said is actually supported by any sort of fact.
 
2013-03-04 07:01:49 PM

Ed Grubermann: There are several movies that really screwed me over when I saw them as a kid. I've hunted most of them down and watched them as an adult and they've lost the horror they held before. There are just some things a small kid does not have the experience to cope with.


The Toxic Avenger scared me shiatless when I first saw it when I was 8 or so. I couldn't cope with the gore and ultraviolence in it at that age. Then I went back and watched it like 15 years later and found it to be a hilarious satire.

/my older brothers rented it
//I was just along for the ride
 
2013-03-04 07:03:23 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Anastacya: I have never seen Grave of the Fireflies, but I want to.

Be warned: you're in for a rough one.


I'm a heartless bastard most of the time.  We'll see how dusty it gets
 
2013-03-04 07:04:28 PM
It wasn't funny.
 
2013-03-04 07:05:04 PM

Dwight_Yeast: I hope she told him he should have cut the "If only I could have saved more!" scene.


That scene should have been cut very very short. It would have been enough for him to say it once, showing that as he was realizing what his good deed meant, and reflect on all the ways he could have done it better. Boom and done. As it goes on, the melodrama meter is turned so high that on the first viewing you are jarred out of the seriousness of the movie, and cry despite yourself, the way you sometimes try to let a little fart and suddenly you shiat your pants. Everytime thereafter, it's pure MST3K gold. It's worse than the crying Private Ryan begging a tombstone to tell him he was a good man.
 
2013-03-04 07:07:13 PM

T.rex: never saw it... nor have i ever seen Bachelor Party, Blues Brothers, or Jerry McGuire.


DonaldSutherlandPointingInvasionOfBodySnatchers.jpg

It's required viewing if you ever visit Chicago. I've probably seen it enough times to cover everybody in this thread. Classic musical-comedy movie too.
 
2013-03-04 07:08:56 PM

rickythepenguin: that movie is freaking awesome. harrowing, at times. set aside your opinions of tom cruise and just buy in. you'll enjoy the performance.


I watched it and liked it well enough but Tom Cruise plays the same character in almost every movie (aside from tropic thunder and some of his older stuff). We get it Tom, you're intense as shiat. Tom Cruise being the only one with an American accent while all of the other Nazis were British (and Hitler being the only one with a German accent) was weird as well.

Back on topic: My dad took my brother and I to see Schindler's list in the theater when I was 11 and my brother 12. Wanting us to have a decent grasp of the topic at hand, a few weeks leading up to going to the movie he taught us about WWII and the holocaust as he knew our school had given us a very abridged version of things. On the ride home from the theater he asked us what we thought of the movie, how it made us feel etc. I said it made me feel sad because the kids hiding in the toilet got pooped on all day. That was the first facepalm I recall my dad directing at me specifically.

/csb
 
2013-03-04 07:16:35 PM

Eirik: Delawheredad: Schindler, was as much an opportunist as a hero. He was not a nice guy according to just about everyone who met him or knew him. He was playing both ends off of each other, He also had the foresight to realize that Germany was going to lose the war so he positioned himself for the best possible outcome for himself. In other words he was a gifted politician, no more.  Yes his actions in saving those he did were heroic but Schindler himself was mostly a scumbag. Even a criminal can save a drowning child. His act is heroic it does not alter the fact that he is a criminal.

Perhaps, but what he did do could have gotten himself shot by the Nazis right up to the end of the war, and hung by the allies after.  It's been a long time since I read the book about him, but IIRC, he did a number of things starting much earlier in the war that were overtly helping and saving his workers.

He may have been a bit of a scumbag, but there are still a couple thousand workers that would have been dead had he not intervened  and in the end he walked away with little.


He also lived penniless in South America, living off donations from Holocaust survivors. The story is a great one BECAUSE it is the story of a flawed man that at ONE point in his life, stepped up and did the right thing for less than saintly reasons at the start.

If someone doesn't like this movie, they can watch Senor Spielbergo's version, the one where the protagonists shells WORKED, dammit!
 
2013-03-04 07:24:52 PM

CheetahOlivetti: I saw it once, before I had kids. I don't think I could make it through a viewing now.

I still get sick thinking about the scene in Amistad where the mother tips back overboard with her baby off the slave ship. Can't watch that one anymore, either.


Don't ever read The Book of Negroes. Ever.
 
2013-03-04 07:26:55 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: The thing about the Academy Awards that year was how all four of the better Supporting Actor nominees lost to the least of the nominees.

You had...

-Ralph Fiennes for Schindler's List
-Pete Postlethwaite for In the Name of the Father
-John Malkovich for In the Line of the Fire
-Leonardo DiCaprio for What's Eating Gilbert Grape

... all losing to Tommy Lee Jones for The Fugitive.

Huh?

I mean, I love TLJ's work and thought he was good in The Fugitive, but I didn't think he was THAT good, and definitely not better than the other four nominees.


Eh, the Academy Awards are bullshiat, anyway.
 
2013-03-04 07:27:35 PM
Why should I give a f*ck about how an actress feels?
 
2013-03-04 07:32:23 PM

WippitGuud: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Eirik: I'm hearing good things about this "Grave of the Fireflies". I'll have to rent it for them this weekend.

meat0918: I'll never watch "Grave of the Fireflies". I don't care how good people say it is.

You feel empty for at least a week if you should ever see it, I kid you not.

I don't really like anime, but I rented that after a lot of recommendations on TotalFark Discussion.

I could never bring myself to watch that film again.  That's not hyperbole.  There's absolutely no way I could force myself to watch that a second time.

If you want something less anime, The Road is something to watch. Christ that movie just knocked you down and kept kicking and kicking...


I will never ever see The Road again. It was one of the most depressing movies. I saw Schindler's List when I was in 8th grade. It is one of the only movies that made me tear up. It was damn rough.
 
2013-03-04 07:34:58 PM
assets.sport.ro

She aged pretty well.
 
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