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(Huffington Post)   Is the Catholic Church ready for a Jesuit Pope? Well, that's a very complex question and it all depends on how you define your terms. If we assume argueendo, that by "ready" we mean in a state of preparedness, and if we further postulate that..,   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 159
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2013-03-04 05:04:13 PM  

WalMartian: cptjeff: WinoRhino: O'Malley wears plain brown robes, sandals, and sold the fancy residence and moved into a small apartment.

Huh, a real Bishop Myriel. Who was actually based on a real person, but that's beside the point.


\Gonna see if that one's too obscure for fark.
\\I think a few people around here have actually read the book, so maybe not.

I have, and it's not.

/24601


We should organize some sort of cabal or something. Meet me at the ABC Cafe sometime, we can figure out a few things then.
 
2013-03-04 05:06:25 PM  

cptjeff: WalMartian: cptjeff: WinoRhino: O'Malley wears plain brown robes, sandals, and sold the fancy residence and moved into a small apartment.

Huh, a real Bishop Myriel. Who was actually based on a real person, but that's beside the point.


\Gonna see if that one's too obscure for fark.
\\I think a few people around here have actually read the book, so maybe not.

I have, and it's not.

/24601

We should organize some sort of cabal or something. Meet me at the ABC Cafe sometime, we can figure out a few things then.


Ooh, ooh, I have some ideas for the colors of the tee-shirts!
 
2013-03-04 05:08:58 PM  

over_and_done: cptjeff: WalMartian: cptjeff: WinoRhino: O'Malley wears plain brown robes, sandals, and sold the fancy residence and moved into a small apartment.

Huh, a real Bishop Myriel. Who was actually based on a real person, but that's beside the point.


\Gonna see if that one's too obscure for fark.
\\I think a few people around here have actually read the book, so maybe not.

I have, and it's not.

/24601

We should organize some sort of cabal or something. Meet me at the ABC Cafe sometime, we can figure out a few things then.

Ooh, ooh, I have some ideas for the colors of the tee-shirts!


Lemme guess; red and black?
 
2013-03-04 05:11:55 PM  
The thing with Jesuits is they're as has been mentioned academics, hardcore academics, a Jesuit will be as glad to teach you calculus or the history of the middle ages as he will be to teach you anything from the Bible. And many would rather teach you the calculus or history. What that academic background creates is an extremely thin tolerance for bullshiat from the church on various issues. They know the history, they know exactly what is dogma, when that dogma was created, what's a teaching etc etc. So when the Pope or someone else hauls off saying some teaching or something not even of that level can't be changed, the Jesuits tend to get a bit ticked. And they don't exactly care, many of them at any rate, for how the church has been run lately and how it's handled certain things. And there are plenty of Catholics who really don't like Jesuits because of their historical reputation and their attitudes towards certain things. It's no problem to find a Jesuit who will tell you there's no reason women can't be ordained as priests no matter what the church may officially try to claim. And that sort of thing doesn't sit well with people. If a Jesuit were elected Pope, once he got enough young cardinals in place, another ecumenical council probably Vatican III would be damn near certain. And if anyone thinks some people were a bit upset at what the church did at Vatican II, that would be nothing to what a Jesuit could have happen.
 
2013-03-04 05:13:12 PM  

palan: MisterTweak: An argument? Jesuit. A fully-escalated holy war about the designated-hitter rule? Two Jesuits

I went to a Jesuit high school in buffalo and two of the Jesuits (one a history teacher, the other math) both mentioned that 1958 was the worst year ever since that was the year the dodgers moved to LA.  Also, 1898 was the second worst year since that was when Brooklyn was merged into NY.


There are a surprisingly diverse number of interpretations of the holy trinity and how to reconcile that with a unitary god, but there is no such debate over "dem bums".

Another commenter pointed out how many kids in jesuit schools grow up to be atheists (self included). I'm still not sure it was them encouraging the relentless pursuit of logical analysis, or just figuring out how to troll us spectacularly.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-03-04 05:13:33 PM  

WalMartian: A short version of a favorite joke of mine:

A man hears a rumor that if he prays a Novena he will receive a Lamborghini.

Knowing a Novena is a "Catholic thing" he takes himself to a Benedictine Abbey and knocks on the door.  He asks the monk who answers, "I hear that if I pray a Novena I get a Lamborghini...please tell me how!"

The monk says, "I'm sorry; what's a Lamborghini?"

The man's next stop is a Jesuit residence, and once again, he knocks on the door and says, "I hear that if I pray a Novena I get a Lamborghini...please tell me how!"

The Jesuit replies, "What's a Novena?"


What's a Lamborghini?
Here's a model most guys would like to :::ahem::: get 'into'.
Yes, she is the daughter. Yes, she is damned cute.
 
2013-03-04 05:14:50 PM  

hardinparamedic: So what does this mean for the Catholic Church's institutional cover-up of pedophilia and child predators for the past 1000 years?


That's pretty much what this is about, actually.

Start by making the dude that was in charge of most of the cover-ups pope, try that for a few years.  When that doesn't work, move the people that were in charge of it into his political bloc, then have him retire, taking most of the blame with him.

Follow it up by nominating someone both personally and factionally unaffiliated with the entities involved in the scandal.  Since prosecuting the leadership of the church is technically a matter of international law, and it's hard to hold leaders responsible for shiat internationally unless they had a personal hand in things, the church has now effectively dodged any repercussions.

This is the kind of move that they've been drawing out their legal battles specifically to delay for.  Companies do similar to avoid responsibility all the time, though it's significantly harder for them since most companies don't have their own nation-state.
 
2013-03-04 05:16:29 PM  

WalMartian: over_and_done: cptjeff: WalMartian: cptjeff: WinoRhino: O'Malley wears plain brown robes, sandals, and sold the fancy residence and moved into a small apartment.

Huh, a real Bishop Myriel. Who was actually based on a real person, but that's beside the point.


\Gonna see if that one's too obscure for fark.
\\I think a few people around here have actually read the book, so maybe not.

I have, and it's not.

/24601

We should organize some sort of cabal or something. Meet me at the ABC Cafe sometime, we can figure out a few things then.

Ooh, ooh, I have some ideas for the colors of the tee-shirts!

Lemme guess; red and black?


How well would those accessorize with the blue, white, and red sash I picked up the other day?
 
2013-03-04 05:18:40 PM  

Chach: hardinparamedic: So what does this mean for the Catholic Church's institutional cover-up of pedophilia and child predators for the past 1000 years?

It's been going on for 1000 years? Citation needed.


Seriously, I think they deserve the benefit of the doubt on this. They were a pretty open and transparent organization until very recently, I'm sure there would be public knowledge if those sort of regrettable mistakes had been going on so long ago.
 
2013-03-04 05:26:28 PM  
Magorn: Jesuit: Member of the Society Of Jesus, a Religious order founded by ex-soldier St Ignatius of Loyola.  Often called behind thier back "God's marines"- especially by their former students,  they are an order largely devoted to teaching and the pursuit of knowledge and in modern times are famed both for the universities they've founded, their rigorous intellectual standards for teaching, and contributions to science and learning.  They also tend to be poltically on the liberal side of the church and have been linked with Liberation theology movements in south America

If they are that devoted to the pursuit of knowledge, they must have found long ago that their religion is all based on lies and fables. How come it still exists?
 
2013-03-04 05:32:24 PM  
Another thing that distinguishes Jesuits is the requirements for becoming on and how long it takes. First there's getting accepted to start, that can take a year, followed by a year of being in the novitiate which involves learning Jesuit history, teachings etc etc. Then there's getting a BA or BS in whatever subject you want to teach/specialize in, and most likely a double major in theology (want to teach theology? You'll major in that and do a double major in some other religious subject), though it's in principle possible to do the theology later on not many Jesuits these days do it that way. Then there's graduate school, where you get an MA or MS in whatever you want to teach, unless you decide to be a lawyer or doctor, in which case you go off to law or medical school. And as a Jesuit you will almost certainly also get an MA in theology. Then you spend two to three years doing a regency where you live in a Jesuit community and work, as a teacher, counselor or whatever. Then, unless you put off the theology stuff which you do now, you get ordained as a priest and are assigned to teach or work wherever there are Jesuits in the world. So if a man starts on becoming a Jesuit at 18 it'll be a good 12 to 14 years, and possibly longer. Of course that just means he's a Jesuit a priest, not a full member of the order. That comes a few years after being ordained, and there's no real set time frame, when you spend another year, basically doing your novitiate year over again and take the final vows.
 
2013-03-04 05:34:46 PM  
no one's read jesusneverexisted dot com?
 
2013-03-04 05:37:45 PM  

MisterTweak: I'm still not sure it was them encouraging the relentless pursuit of logical analysis, or just figuring out how to troll us spectacularly.


If you press many Jesuits they come across as sounding more like Quakers than Catholics, that is to say they believe in at most one God. But they're not real hot to trot about dogma.

Jim_Callahan: Follow it up by nominating someone both personally and factionally unaffiliated with the entities involved in the scandal.


The danger with a Jesuit is that he'll just start handing over evidence to the authorities and alert them to the locations of whoever it is they want to talk to.
 
2013-03-04 05:50:07 PM  
Jesuits: the Rules Lawyers of the Catholic Church.
 
2013-03-04 05:54:19 PM  

Magorn: Often called behind thier back "God's marines"- especially by their former students


Who are God's Seal Team Six?

or for that matter, God's coast guard?  God's air force?
 
2013-03-04 05:55:26 PM  
Not only were the Jesuits pro-education, weren't they really very progressive in setting up schools in bad areas of (maybe only American) cities?  And when these ghetto-type areas shifted away from the dirty white immigrants to the dirty brown immigrants, they kept up the faith and good works?

That explains why you have these Catholic schools that are - I'm serious - exceptionally good at basketball and have great basketball programs.  The Catholic Seven teams breaking away from the Big East, most of them are Jesuit, I think.  Could be wrong.  Georgetown, Seton Hall, Villanova, DePaul, Marquette, etc.  Xavier.  St. Louis, which may join.

Could be wrong about which are, exactly, but the principle is there.
 
2013-03-04 05:58:55 PM  

bikkurikun: Magorn: Jesuit: Member of the Society Of Jesus, a Religious order founded by ex-soldier St Ignatius of Loyola.  Often called behind thier back "God's marines"- especially by their former students,  they are an order largely devoted to teaching and the pursuit of knowledge and in modern times are famed both for the universities they've founded, their rigorous intellectual standards for teaching, and contributions to science and learning.  They also tend to be poltically on the liberal side of the church and have been linked with Liberation theology movements in south America

If they are that devoted to the pursuit of knowledge, they must have found long ago that their religion is all based on lies and fables. How come it still exists?


Belief in scientific principles and belief in God are not mutually exclusive.  You can accept that the Bible and writings of the church have been passed down for millennia, at first through oral history and then translated and retranslated through multiple languages (and oftentimes archaic forms that no one is 100% sure on the translation of anymore) to arrive at what we have today.  Much of it was likely never meant to be taken literally, and the many of the passages have been edited, added to, or removed over time due to mistakes, the political climate at the time, or individual whim.

Yes, at the heart of it you do have to believe in something that is unprovable, but that is having faith.  Believing in God does not mean that you can't also fully accept evolution, the big bang, or the laws of physics.

I'd even go further and say that considering yourself a Christian does not invalidate other world religions.  Many of the core beliefs are the same across the Abrahamic religions as well as other world beliefs.  The stories, names, rules, and rituals have evolved and changed in different ways over time in different cultures, but that doesn't mean they can't all have come from the same source.
 
2013-03-04 06:00:28 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: The stories, names, rules, and rituals have evolved and changed in different ways over time in different cultures, but that doesn't mean they can't all have come from the same source.



except those muslim bastards with their stupid koran.  their god is a rock in mecca and they pray to the crescent moon.  give me king james bible or STFU.
 
2013-03-04 06:09:04 PM  

kev_dog: Felgraf:  (GO XAVIER)

Seconded.

/my alma mater as well


Then you probably know the priest of who I speak! Father Loraca (I am sure I have butchered his name) is awesome. =)
 
2013-03-04 06:15:12 PM  

WinoRhino: neritz: WinoRhino: I have $10 on Turkson and O'Malley.

I've said it before, I really want to see Turkson get elected.  The butt hurt would be glorious.

That's the one reason I have him in there. A black US president and a black Pope? In my lifetime? It's more likely than you think! Pure awesome. Anyhow, I'm no longer a Catholic, but being raised in that faith, I think O'Malley is my sincere pick. He's worked with many abuse victims, some of whom have gone out of their way to say how much they appreciated him. Also, when he took over in the Boston area for Law, he eschewed all of the trappings the Law seemed to revel in. O'Malley wears plain brown robes, sandals, and sold the fancy residence and moved into a small apartment. He has doctorates in Spanish and Portuguese literature and is very well-respected in those cultures (40% of Catholics being from South America, that's a plus).


I had the fortune of going to school, from 3rd to 12th grade, in the Diocese of Fall River, of which O'Malley was the bishop.  He came to our high school every year, and spoke at both my middle school and high school graduations.  I briefly met him one one occasion, and he was very nice.  He was a great speaker, funny in a dry way, and really smart.  Even my Protestant grandparents, who weren't sure if Catholics even read the Bible, liked him.

When he was made Archbishop of Boston, two things happened.  Shortly after being made Archbishop, I remember reading a story where he spoke, outside a church, to a woman who had a son who was abused.  He didn't ignore her, he listened, asked forgiveness and hugged her.

The second was that, because I knew who he was and always liked him, I sent him a card when he became Archbishop.  He sent me a letter back, and it wasn't a form letter.  It was personalized to me, signed by him, and sent to my dorm in Philadelphia.

I don't go to Catholic services anymore, but I really hope they elect him.
 
2013-03-04 06:40:38 PM  

Chach: hardinparamedic: So what does this mean for the Catholic Church's institutional cover-up of pedophilia and child predators for the past 1000 years?

It's been going on for 1000 years? Citation needed.


At this point, the burden of proof has shifted.

Prove they WEREN'T doing that shiat all along.
 
2013-03-04 06:44:23 PM  

BarleyGnome: How can you do worse than electing a Hitler youth as Pope? Seriously.


Pinning a gold medal on a guy convicted at Nuremburg of using Allies as slave labor?

Oh, wait...they did that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Arms_of_Krupp
 
2013-03-04 06:46:00 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: If they are that devoted to the pursuit of knowledge, they must have found long ago that their religion is all based on lies and fables. How come it still exists?

Belief in scientific principles and belief in God are not mutually exclusive


I hear that a lot, but in my opinion,If you know enough of scientific principles, you inevitably come to the conclusion that they are in fact mutually exclusive.

From a study of (evolutionary) psychology and sociology, it will become obvious where the need for religion comes from and how humanity has started to construct religions, including christianity. Neuroscience will teach you that there is no soul and that we our personality is nothing more than neurons firing in our brain. In extension, from history and philology, it will become obvious that the bible is nothing but myth, based on prior religions,  and jesus was nothing more than human if he ever existed at all. Miracles can be refuted. Statistical research can prove prayer doesn't work. From logic and common sense, it will be obvious that God as the final answer to all questions is unsatisfactory and the way he is depicted in the Bible makes no sense and is based on nothing.

True, there  still remains a probability that there is a higher power of some sort, but that alone would be not enough reason to keep supporting an elaborate entirely made-up belief system built around it. The conclusion that any higher power that might exists plays no role in our lives, that all religions are man-made, and the anthromorphic, father-figure new testament god is pure hogwash cannot be avoided by any human who is willing to educate himself and challenge his/her fears. We might never know what exist out of our universe, but to construct an idea of God and an entire religion out of something that small without any proof goes against everything science stands for.

So, yes. Science and religion are most certainly mutually exclusive. Religion comes from ignorance and fear, not belief.
 
2013-03-04 06:47:05 PM  

AnotherBluesStringer: FloydA: I LOL'd subby.


AnotherBluesStringer:

Yeah, what the hell is a "Christian Borther?"

About the CFC.  Originally Irish, with a mission to evangelize to poor youth.

I was making a joke about the spelling.


(now that I'm properly drunk and can make fun of myself)

Where's the Borth certifict
Jesus
whe?
\o/
|
/\
 
2013-03-04 06:51:21 PM  

camtheman: I don't go to Catholic services anymore, but I really hope they elect him


Thanks for the story-- I appreciate hearing even more good things about him.
 
2013-03-04 06:52:14 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Al

FloydA:

About the CFC.  Originally Irish, with a mission to evangelize to poor youth.

The SO is an alumni of a Christian Brother school.  I know what their tuition was, so this makes me laugh just a bit.


Makes perfect sense, really.  If you have a mission to evangelize to the poor, it's in your best interest to make sure there are a lot of poor people, right?  :-D
 
2013-03-04 06:53:39 PM  

rickythepenguin: Who are God's Seal Team Six?


at my high school we called the Jesuits God's academic Marines Corps or the intellectual shock troops of Jesus Christ.

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Not only were the Jesuits pro-education, weren't they really very progressive in setting up schools in bad areas of (maybe only American) cities?  And when these ghetto-type areas shifted away from the dirty white immigrants to the dirty brown immigrants, they kept up the faith and good works?

That explains why you have these Catholic schools that are - I'm serious - exceptionally good at basketball and have great basketball programs.  The Catholic Seven teams breaking away from the Big East, most of them are Jesuit, I think.  Could be wrong.  Georgetown, Seton Hall, Villanova, DePaul, Marquette, etc.  Xavier.  St. Louis, which may join.

Could be wrong about which are, exactly, but the principle is there.


A few centuries ago the Jesuits wanted to set up a system of schools in France, open to everyone and free to all .So while nominally they'd be Catholic schools, they would welcome non-Catholic students. And they'd welcome poor and rich alike. The response of the French government at the time was less than warm. As a couple Jesuits found themselves dead soon after.
 
2013-03-04 06:57:17 PM  
Tute Tibilmperes - thanks for describing my faith, pretty much to a T.
 
2013-03-04 06:57:52 PM  
Oh also another joke about my high school, it's officially a college prep school and we joke and call it overprep since almost without fail people go on to college and go "This is it? This is a piece of cake".
 
2013-03-04 07:21:47 PM  
Any descendants of the Borgias left?
Any of them a cardinal?
 
2013-03-04 07:22:43 PM  
If you want to be part of a religious order so you don't have to 'work' and insist on touching children, you really want to go into Judaism.

See, there are plenty of pedophilia scandals amongst the Orthodox Jews, but they mostly keep the complaints in house [on account of that Talmud and general distrust and disdain of the goyim ] and the major newspapers, news networks, and even 'irreverent' sites like Fark will do their part to never report on it either.


And yes, trolls - it is "antisemitic" to think crimes of rabbis should be as lavishly discussed as those of priests.  Not make sure you get down to AIPAC to insist that Israel not be affected by any looming budget cuts, and to further ensure that the American Congress is controlled by the Israeli 5th Column....
 
2013-03-04 07:26:00 PM  
I go to a Jesuit parish.  One of the priests (a good friend of mine) calls them "Jedi for Jesus."

WhyteRaven74: A few centuries ago the Jesuits wanted to set up a system of schools in France, open to everyone and free to all .So while nominally they'd be Catholic schools, they would welcome non-Catholic students. And they'd welcome poor and rich alike. The response of the French government at the time was less than warm. As a couple Jesuits found themselves dead soon after.


I went to Georgetown (yeah, that's how the Jesuits got their hooks into me).  Same thing happened.  John Carroll (a Jesuit, the first American bishop, and Georgetown's founder), had been on the receiving end of religious persecution his entire life - first in Maryland, where Catholics had been deprived of their civil rights by an Anglican-controlled government and, and then again in Europe, where the Jesuit order was suppressed by the Church under heavy pressure from the French, Spanish, and Portuguese.  When Carroll established Georgetown in 1789 - the same year as the Constitution's adoption - he insisted that it would be open to students of all faiths.

/The national Capitol moving next door came later
//Then came the basketball
///Hoya Saxa
 
2013-03-04 07:34:09 PM  
What's a Novena?

5 bucks, same as uptown!
 
2013-03-04 07:54:17 PM  

BigBeefyBaynon: If you want to be part of a religious order so you don't have to 'work' and insist on touching children, you really want to go into Judaism.

See, there are plenty of pedophilia scandals amongst the Orthodox Jews, but they mostly keep the complaints in house [on account of that Talmud and general distrust and disdain of the goyim ] and the major newspapers, news networks, and even 'irreverent' sites like Fark will do their part to never report on it either.


And yes, trolls - it is "antisemitic" to think crimes of rabbis should be as lavishly discussed as those of priests.  Not make sure you get down to AIPAC to insist that Israel not be affected by any looming budget cuts, and to further ensure that the American Congress is controlled by the Israeli 5th Column....


Maybe we could get them all to wear special badges or something, you know, so that we could recognize them.
 
2013-03-04 08:01:01 PM  
Hahaha. I didn't even want to read the article, The headline was good enough for me.

/thanks, subby!
//+5
 
2013-03-04 08:20:19 PM  

MasterThief: When Carroll established Georgetown in 1789 - the same year as the Constitution's adoption - he insisted that it would be open to students of all faiths.


Carroll had it hard no doubt. And my high school is open to students of all faiths, when I was there we had not a ton but a decent number of not only non-Catholic students but non-Christian students.
 
2013-03-04 08:37:13 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Not only were the Jesuits pro-education, weren't they really very progressive in setting up schools in bad areas of (maybe only American) cities?  And when these ghetto-type areas shifted away from the dirty white immigrants to the dirty brown immigrants, they kept up the faith and good works?

That explains why you have these Catholic schools that are - I'm serious - exceptionally good at basketball and have great basketball programs.  The Catholic Seven teams breaking away from the Big East, most of them are Jesuit, I think.  Could be wrong.  Georgetown, Seton Hall, Villanova, DePaul, Marquette, etc.  Xavier.  St. Louis, which may join.

Could be wrong about which are, exactly, but the principle is there.


a0.twimg.com

/Detroit
//Had some friends who went there
///Two of them did get mugged leaving campus one day
 
2013-03-04 08:42:02 PM  

FloydA: StreetlightInTheGhetto: Al

FloydA:

About the CFC.  Originally Irish, with a mission to evangelize to poor youth.

The SO is an alumni of a Christian Brother school.  I know what their tuition was, so this makes me laugh just a bit.

Makes perfect sense, really.  If you have a mission to evangelize to the poor, it's in your best interest to make sure there are a lot of poor people, right?  :-D


...

Damn.  Now it makes sense.  Now the pieces are falling into place....
  /it's really funny whenever he gets money-ask mail from them


//alongside the what-our-connected-alumni-have-been-up-to newsletters
///his dad/grandparents set aside money for him to go there, but that's not entirely the same as kids whose folks didn't have to *set aside* the money, eh?
 
2013-03-04 08:42:24 PM  

DamnYankees: As a non-Christian, I have never understood what a Jesuit is or how it's different than any other kind of Christian.


Jesuits are one of the more highly educated orders in the Catholic church. In fact there are a number of Jesuits out there who side more with atheism than with theism.
 
2013-03-04 08:44:44 PM  
www.midwesttvguy.com

We have a candidate!

/ nobody was expecting to have to elect a new pope!
 
2013-03-04 08:48:41 PM  

blinkybluegnome: Tute Tibilmperes - thanks for describing my faith, pretty much to a T.


No prob, thanks for the sub!
 
2013-03-04 08:48:48 PM  

WhyteRaven74: rickythepenguin: Who are God's Seal Team Six?

at my high school we called the Jesuits God's academic Marines Corps or the intellectual shock troops of Jesus Christ.

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Not only were the Jesuits pro-education, weren't they really very progressive in setting up schools in bad areas of (maybe only American) cities?  And when these ghetto-type areas shifted away from the dirty white immigrants to the dirty brown immigrants, they kept up the faith and good works?

That explains why you have these Catholic schools that are - I'm serious - exceptionally good at basketball and have great basketball programs.  The Catholic Seven teams breaking away from the Big East, most of them are Jesuit, I think.  Could be wrong.  Georgetown, Seton Hall, Villanova, DePaul, Marquette, etc.  Xavier.  St. Louis, which may join.

Could be wrong about which are, exactly, but the principle is there.

A few centuries ago the Jesuits wanted to set up a system of schools in France, open to everyone and free to all .So while nominally they'd be Catholic schools, they would welcome non-Catholic students. And they'd welcome poor and rich alike. The response of the French government at the time was less than warm. As a couple Jesuits found themselves dead soon after.


One of my good friends in public high school went to Catholic for K-8 after our public school district decided she was mentally retarded in preschool and her Mom said "oh f--k no".  One of my friends in college was 100% Native American but went to Catholic schools K-12 because he grew up outside Detroit and the schools there sucked, and the Catholic schools had decent scholarships to knock down the cost to something his parents could afford.

That was the kind of thing that I liked about growing up Catholic.  Even though I sure as hell wasn't going to Catholic school (if I didn't get into the gifted program at my public school - with the corresponding f--king awesome teachers and education - my parents *probably* would have bit the bullet and sent me there, though) at least they were welcoming to anybody.  Neither of those two friends felt like they were pressured into "converting", although they were both bored as hell during the required theology classes.

/the "mentally retarded" friend is now a veterinarian specializing in large cats at a well known zoo
//yep, that was totally the correct call
 
2013-03-04 09:02:33 PM  

DamnYankees: As a non-Christian, I have never understood what a Jesuit is or how it's different than any other kind of Christian.


Someone who believes things that don't make any sense, but who can still make you believe they're smarter than you are.
 
2013-03-04 09:28:06 PM  

grinding_journalist: show me: SLU?

Yes indeedy. My parents were afraid that'd I'd do little but bang co-eds and do drugs if I went to Mizzou (which I said I'd pay for) so they paid for SLU to keep me in town.

Suffice it to say, their cunning plan didn't really work. But hey, I met my wife, who's a damn sight more responsible than I am, so maybe it did.


Cool. I went to Rolla when I probably could have gotten a full ride to Wash U because my dad thought Wash U would turn me into a Commie Libral. LOL! Bu he paid for it all and I became an alcoholic instead, so I guess his plan worked, at least for a few years until I woke up.
 
2013-03-04 09:52:39 PM  

WinoRhino: Also, when he took over in the Boston area for Law, he eschewed all of the trappings the Law seemed to revel in. O'Malley wears plain brown robes, sandals, and sold the fancy residence and moved into a small apartment.


Very late so this may already have been covered, but - Cardinal O'Malley wears those things because of the order he already belonged to, the name of which escapes me right now.  The Archdiocese sold the chancellery (and the considerable amount of land with it)  to help pay the legal settlements.  It was an advantageous coincidence, from a PR point of view.

He was brought in after Law was sent to his lavish sinecure mostly to clean up the mess, as he had with an earlier, smaller diocesan scandal somewhere south of here, and he's done a pretty good job, mostly.  But I just can't see him as Pope.  Besides being American, there's two things. First, he's a really low-key kind of guy, and there's the business of him being in an order.  Second, I don't see the College being ready to acknowledge there's a mess to clean up,
 
2013-03-04 10:24:16 PM  
Isn't the "Black Pope" a Jesuit?
 
2013-03-04 10:28:02 PM  
And yes, trolls - it is "antisemitic" to think crimes of rabbis should be as lavishly discussed as those of priests.  Not make sure you get down to AIPAC to insist that Israel not be affected by any looming budget cuts, and to further ensure that the American Congress is controlled by the Israeli 5th Column....

Maybe we could get them all to wear special badges or something, you know, so that we could recognize them.



Hey, good line, bro - very original.  I was, you know, being sarcastic.  There were absolutely no incidents involving Orthodox rabbis molesting kids.  And if there were, you know, it's only fair that we let them do it, cuz, hey, man - the Holocaust happened 70 years ago.

Anyway, in all seriousness, the best thing to do would be to molest some Palestinian kids.  They're not even real human beings, they're made up.  Nothing you do to them matters!  Ha!
 
2013-03-04 10:33:01 PM  

Braindeath: As someone who went to a Jesuit University, A+ headline.


As a former Jesuit university attendee (Loyola University Chicago),  I too approve of this headline.  I was always fond of that St. Ignatius quote that was blazoned over one of the doors.  "Go forth and set the world on fire."
 
2013-03-04 10:38:41 PM  

Ikam: Braindeath: As someone who went to a Jesuit University, A+ headline.

As a former Jesuit university attendee (Loyola University Chicago),  I too approve of this headline.  I was always fond of that St. Ignatius quote that was blazoned over one of the doors.  "Go forth and set the world on fire."


A mate of mine from Stonyhurst always translated AMDG on his schoolwork as "all men drink gin."
 
2013-03-04 10:55:35 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: If there is a Secret Vatican Intelligence Service, its run by the Jesuits.


What do you mean "if"?  Didn't you read The Sum of All Fears?
 
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