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(Huffington Post)   Is the Catholic Church ready for a Jesuit Pope? Well, that's a very complex question and it all depends on how you define your terms. If we assume argueendo, that by "ready" we mean in a state of preparedness, and if we further postulate that..,   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 159
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2013-03-04 02:50:45 PM
As a non-Christian, I have never understood what a Jesuit is or how it's different than any other kind of Christian.
 
2013-03-04 02:52:50 PM
If they do go with a Jesuit, I hope it's Fr. Robert McCarty, S.J., English professor at St. Peter's University. The guy teaches a mean expository writing class.
 
2013-03-04 02:57:22 PM

DamnYankees: As a non-Christian, I have never understood what a Jesuit is or how it's different than any other kind of Christian.


It isn't substantially different. Historically it was, but now it is mostly just the order that the serious scholars fall into.
 
2013-03-04 02:58:18 PM

unlikely: DamnYankees: As a non-Christian, I have never understood what a Jesuit is or how it's different than any other kind of Christian.

It isn't substantially different. Historically it was, but now it is mostly just the order that the serious scholars fall into.


Order? What does that mean? Like, monks who go live off in seclusion?
 
2013-03-04 02:58:46 PM
Subby should take the extra 'e' out of 'arguendo' and give it to 'depends'.  Subby shouldn't let arguendo be greedy with the 'e's.
 
2013-03-04 02:59:24 PM

unlikely: DamnYankees: As a non-Christian, I have never understood what a Jesuit is or how it's different than any other kind of Christian.

It isn't substantially different. Historically it was, but now it is mostly just the order that the serious scholars fall into.


Oh, and as an order they had a less-than-100% smooth interaction with Benedict-the-Ex
 
2013-03-04 03:01:56 PM

DamnYankees: As a non-Christian, I have never understood what a Jesuit is or how it's different than any other kind of Christian.


Jesuit: Member of the Society Of Jesus, a Religious order founded by ex-soldier St Ignatius of Loyola.  Often called behind thier back "God's marines"- especially by their former students,  they are an order largely devoted to teaching and the pursuit of knowledge and in modern times are famed both for the universities they've founded, their rigorous intellectual standards for teaching, and contributions to science and learning.  They also tend to be poltically on the liberal side of the church and have been linked with Liberation theology movements in south America

The adjective "jesuitical"  is often used in a secular context rather the same way the adjective "talmudic" is: which is to say as a synomyn for pedantic or overly concerned with fine points of laws and rules
 
2013-03-04 03:07:40 PM

DamnYankees: unlikely: DamnYankees: As a non-Christian, I have never understood what a Jesuit is or how it's different than any other kind of Christian.

It isn't substantially different. Historically it was, but now it is mostly just the order that the serious scholars fall into.

Order? What does that mean? Like, monks who go live off in seclusion?


In the Catholic Church a religious order can mean a lot of different things, but generally it refers to a sub-group of monks, nuns or even priests who follow a particular set of religious rules and in the big 'ol Catholic Org Chart answer to the heads of their orders rather than to the local Bishop or Cardinal (who control "diocesan" priests)  Franciscans, Dominicans, Benedictines, Jesuits, Little Sisters of the Poor, Sisters of Saint Joseph, and Christian Borthers , are probably the biggest religious orders and the ones most people are familiar with (as they all run schools or make booze) but there are probably thousands altogether each with their own rules and traditions
 
2013-03-04 03:07:58 PM
Eh, go for it. I'm not Catholic, but someone pro-science and pro-learning would be nice.
 
2013-03-04 03:08:30 PM

Magorn: ranciscans, Dominicans, Benedictines, Jesuits, Little Sisters of the Poor, Sisters of Saint Joseph, and Christian Borthers , are probably the biggest religious orders and the ones most people are familiar with (as they all run schools or make booze) but there are probably thousands altogether each with their own rules and traditions


Admit it - you made up 2 of those last 3.
 
2013-03-04 03:15:56 PM

Magorn: DamnYankees: As a non-Christian, I have never understood what a Jesuit is or how it's different than any other kind of Christian.

Jesuit: Member of the Society Of Jesus, a Religious order founded by ex-soldier St Ignatius of Loyola.  Often called behind thier back "God's marines"- especially by their former students,  they are an order largely devoted to teaching and the pursuit of knowledge and in modern times are famed both for the universities they've founded, their rigorous intellectual standards for teaching, and contributions to science and learning.  They also tend to be poltically on the liberal side of the church and have been linked with Liberation theology movements in south America

The adjective "jesuitical"  is often used in a secular context rather the same way the adjective "talmudic" is: which is to say as a synomyn for pedantic or overly concerned with fine points of laws and rules


Your post made me think of this

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2013-03-04 03:16:22 PM

DamnYankees: As a non-Christian, I have never understood what a Jesuit is or how it's different than any other kind of Christian.


I went to Jesuit high school, so I'm really getting a kick out of this thread.

Long story short, Jesuits are like learned philosophers, mostly they teach (and teach Latin at that)

The school I went to was divided into the old school Jesuits who were more traditional, and the new school Jesuits who were more like 'hippies'.
 
2013-03-04 03:16:59 PM

blatz514: Magorn: DamnYankees: As a non-Christian, I have never understood what a Jesuit is or how it's different than any other kind of Christian.

Jesuit: Member of the Society Of Jesus, a Religious order founded by ex-soldier St Ignatius of Loyola.  Often called behind thier back "God's marines"- especially by their former students,  they are an order largely devoted to teaching and the pursuit of knowledge and in modern times are famed both for the universities they've founded, their rigorous intellectual standards for teaching, and contributions to science and learning.  They also tend to be poltically on the liberal side of the church and have been linked with Liberation theology movements in south America

The adjective "jesuitical"  is often used in a secular context rather the same way the adjective "talmudic" is: which is to say as a synomyn for pedantic or overly concerned with fine points of laws and rules

Your post made me think of this

[johnniecraig.files.wordpress.com image 600x311]


I always thought the name "Brotherhood of the Cruciform Sword" was a brilliant name of a secret, Christian order.
 
2013-03-04 03:17:10 PM

DamnYankees: Magorn: ranciscans, Dominicans, Benedictines, Jesuits, Little Sisters of the Poor, Sisters of Saint Joseph, and Christian Borthers , are probably the biggest religious orders and the ones most people are familiar with (as they all run schools or make booze) but there are probably thousands altogether each with their own rules and traditions

Admit it - you made up 2 of those last 3.


Yeah, what the hell is a "Christian Borther?"
 
2013-03-04 03:20:02 PM
So what does this mean for the Catholic Church's institutional cover-up of pedophilia and child predators for the past 1000 years?
 
2013-03-04 03:22:54 PM

hardinparamedic: So what does this mean for the Catholic Church's institutional cover-up of pedophilia and child predators for the past 1000 years?


It's been going on for 1000 years? Citation needed.
 
2013-03-04 03:24:04 PM

unlikely: Oh, and as an order they had a less-than-100% smooth interaction with Benedict-the-Ex


Oh dear lord I remember one of the Jesuit priests at my undergrad (GO XAVIER) was super-pissed at Benedict...
(As far as I can tell, Jesuits tend to fall into two categories: Pretty damn liberal, or, well, those that would have been at home in the inqusition. He was the former, to the point that he was the unofficial spiritual advisor to the campus GLBT club.). The "Gay people can't become priests" one pissed him off the most, because according to the catholic church (if I remember right!), It's homosexual *sex* that's the sin, not being homosexual (because all non-pro-creative sex is a sin to the church), and if they're going to be priests, they're (ideally) going to be celibate and...

Yeaaaah I thought he was about to pop a vein.
 
2013-03-04 03:24:43 PM
If a Jesuit Pope hastens the crumbling of the Catholic Church into dust to be scattered by the four winds, I'm all for it.

fark them and their silly rape-shame cult.
 
2013-03-04 03:24:53 PM
I LOL'd subby.


AnotherBluesStringer:

Yeah, what the hell is a "Christian Borther?"

About the CFC.  Originally Irish, with a mission to evangelize to poor youth.
 
2013-03-04 03:26:57 PM
i36.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-04 03:27:35 PM
That made me laugh far more than it should have.

Well effing played, subby.

/Jesuits generally kick ass
//Christian Brothers not so much
///anecdotal experience is anecdotal
 
2013-03-04 03:27:47 PM
Anyone not in (or friendly toward)  Opus Dei would be an improvement.
 
2013-03-04 03:28:15 PM
Jehovah.

img.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-04 03:30:03 PM

vernonFL: I went to Jesuit high school, so I'm really getting a kick out of this thread.


I went to a Jesuit university, where healthy debate about my atheism was encouraged, so I am as well. (Seriously, I've never met anyone else who described themselves as very religious who were so tolerant of the fact that I didn't buy into it at all. It was quite refreshing.)

DamnYankees: As a non-Christian, I have never understood what a Jesuit is or how it's different than any other kind of Christian.


Jesuits love to argue. Others like to browbeat.
 
2013-03-04 03:30:09 PM
make sure he doesn't have any cruciforms on him first.
 
2013-03-04 03:30:12 PM
Bergoglio would likely encourage the church's 400,000 priests to hit the streets to capture more souls.

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2013-03-04 03:30:48 PM

Alphax: Eh, go for it. I'm not Catholic, but someone pro-science and pro-learning would be nice.


Hey, at least PJPII acknowledged evolution.  Catholics getting a one-up on many Protestants, at least in the States.

rufus-t-firefly: Anyone not in (or friendly toward)  Opus Dei would be an improvement.


I can agree with this.

/recovering Catholic
//stayed as long as I did because as much as PJPII sucked on certain issues, the social justice focus was always near the top or the top of his priorities.  Choosing Benedict wasn't what forced me out, but it was the last push I needed

FloydA: I LOL'd subby.


AnotherBluesStringer:

Yeah, what the hell is a "Christian Borther?"

About the CFC.  Originally Irish, with a mission to evangelize to poor youth.


The SO is an alumni of a Christian Brother school.  I know what their tuition was, so this makes me laugh just a bit.
 
2013-03-04 03:31:13 PM

DamnYankees: As a non-Christian, I have never understood what a Jesuit is or how it's different than any other kind of Christian.



All you need to know to understand the headline is that they are well-versed in debate, logic, etc.  Never, ever, argue with a Jesuit unless you are certain you are right.  Even then you will walk away not being totally sure....
 
2013-03-04 03:32:15 PM
The Jesuits are the reason that the Catholic Church endorses evolution. They are amazing in the way that they compartmentalize everything - faith, metaphysics, science - all discrete areas of study that do not interact, but are all valuable.
 
2013-03-04 03:32:52 PM
www.bartcop.com
 
2013-03-04 03:32:53 PM
Ignatius was a prat. Lets see a Templar pope already.
 
2013-03-04 03:32:59 PM

KidKorporate: fark them and their silly rape-shame cult.


www.thatwouldbesomething.com
♪ ♫ Some people wanna fill the woooooooorrrrld with silly rape-shame ♫ ♪
 
2013-03-04 03:34:40 PM

FloydA: I LOL'd subby.


AnotherBluesStringer:

Yeah, what the hell is a "Christian Borther?"

About the CFC.  Originally Irish, with a mission to evangelize to poor youth.


I was making a joke about the spelling.
 
2013-03-04 03:35:12 PM
Comma before arguendo, please. Helps, especially when you can't italicize it.
 
2013-03-04 03:36:05 PM

Felgraf:  (GO XAVIER)


Seconded.

/my alma mater as well
 
2013-03-04 03:36:41 PM

grinding_journalist: vernonFL: I went to Jesuit high school, so I'm really getting a kick out of this thread.

I went to a Jesuit university, where healthy debate about my atheism was encouraged, so I am as well. (Seriously, I've never met anyone else who described themselves as very religious who were so tolerant of the fact that I didn't buy into it at all. It was quite refreshing.)


SLU?
 
2013-03-04 03:37:35 PM
Pope Guido Sarducci.
 
2013-03-04 03:38:52 PM
For Jesuit the big difference is the level of drunkeness when reciting Nike slogans.  "Just do it!" doesn't sound the same from a drunk as it does from a sober person.
 
2013-03-04 03:39:13 PM
As someone who went to a Jesuit University, A+ headline.
 
2013-03-04 03:39:17 PM
If there is a Secret Vatican Intelligence Service, its run by the Jesuits.

/HUDSON HAWK was a documentary.
 
2013-03-04 03:40:39 PM
Chris Hansen for Pope.
 
2013-03-04 03:43:54 PM
As a survivor of a Jesuit University, I say go for it.
 
2013-03-04 03:44:21 PM

DamnYankees: As a non-Christian, I have never understood what a Jesuit is or how it's different than any other kind of Christian.


They're less about the guilting and more about the learning.

neversubmit: [www.bartcop.com image 500x452]


I thought that was Mel Brooks for a second.

Boy was I surprised.
 
2013-03-04 03:45:27 PM

I Ate Shergar: Bergoglio would likely encourage the church's 400,000 priests to hit the streets to capture more souls.

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1.bp.blogspot.com
goldderby.latimes.com
 
2013-03-04 03:45:30 PM

Chach: hardinparamedic: So what does this mean for the Catholic Church's institutional cover-up of pedophilia and child predators for the past 1000 years?

It's been going on for 1000 years? Citation needed.


No, I think by now the burden of proof lies with the church. Usually, I do fall back on the presumption of innocence, but not on this anymore.
I think even the last 1,000 years is cutting them a break. We know that old Roman bureaucracies rolled into the Catholic Church as the empire collapsed. We also know that it was very common for Roman officials to have their boy as well as their wife. This practice continued even after it became sinful.
 
2013-03-04 03:45:44 PM
This choice affects me not in the least.

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Unless they put him in there, then I might consider converting
 
2013-03-04 03:45:47 PM

AnotherBluesStringer: FloydA: I LOL'd subby.


AnotherBluesStringer:

Yeah, what the hell is a "Christian Borther?"

About the CFC.  Originally Irish, with a mission to evangelize to poor youth.

I was making a joke about the spelling.



Oh I see.  I didn't even notice that!  Now I feel stupid.
 
2013-03-04 03:46:19 PM
So we'll be having more exorcisms then?
 
2013-03-04 03:48:32 PM
Guys who attended Jesuit high schools not only tend to be hotter than your average guy, but also tend to be atheists.

Something about a Jesuit education that just makes people say, "WTF is this Sht?" (picard.jpg) and leave the church.
 
2013-03-04 03:48:33 PM
This is all a waste of time because it is an obsolete myhtological framework that is losing its relevance as we speak. Only stupid people give a crap who's the f*cking pope. There's nothing less deserving of the public's interest than an old bad-breath baby raper.
 
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