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(Opposing Views)   Did you know that bicycles cause more pollution than cars? So says Washington State Rep. Ed Orcutt, who admits he can't prove it   (opposingviews.com) divider line 182
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2013-03-04 02:03:08 PM
Maybe he's counting the Co2 from the ambulance when I dislocated my elbow last month bike commuting to work. Does that count? Can we ban bicycles now?
 
2013-03-04 02:04:49 PM
without even RTFA I am going to bet this guy has a (R) after his name. Any takers?
 
2013-03-04 02:05:16 PM
Coca-cola causes more CO2 than cars do.
 
2013-03-04 02:05:30 PM
This guy must really find simple tasks like shaving or opening the refrigerator difficult.
 
2013-03-04 02:05:59 PM
Actually, if you eat a lot of meat, walking has a bigger carbon footprint than driving for you.  It's because you burn calories when you walk and then you eat food to get those calories back but it took a good amount of fossil fuels to produce/harvest/transport that food to you.  The same applies to biking, but it is slightly less than the carbon footprint of driving because biking is more efficient than walking.
 
2013-03-04 02:06:18 PM
At full speed, the Bugatti Veryon  consumes 45000 L of air per minute. It almost equals human air consumption for four days.
 
2013-03-04 02:07:36 PM
Look, I hate cyclists, too.  But, come on...there's no way you can think a human's respiration causes the equivalent "pollution" via CO2 emission as a car.
 
2013-03-04 02:07:56 PM

NuttierThanEver: without even RTFA I am going to bet this guy has a (R) after his name. Any takers?


You would be correct, but BSABSVR.
 
2013-03-04 02:09:21 PM

NuttierThanEver: without even RTFA I am going to bet this guy has a (R) after his name. Any takers?


I'd bet he has an (R) after his IQ score, too
 
2013-03-04 02:09:49 PM
It's cute that this guy and the folks that've already starting quoting him think they've being clever, but all they're really saying is, "I don't understand what I'm talking about"
 
2013-03-04 02:11:09 PM
It's also ignoring all the other pollutants and CO2 out from the car's production etc.

There might be a case where cyclists expel more CO2 than a vehicle though. It's about 10:1 car:bicycle on average, right?
 
2013-03-04 02:12:32 PM
State reps be crazy.
 
2013-03-04 02:13:06 PM
"You would be giving off more CO2 if you are riding a bike than driving in a car"

That's probably true. The car though...
 
2013-03-04 02:13:58 PM
Did you ever watch a marathon? The amount of paper cups thrown to the side of the road when the runners are done drinking is astounding. Did you ever see a driver in a NASCAR race throw a paper cup out the window during the race? I imagine that the amount of paper cups, empty water bottles, and "health" food energy bars pile up pretty quick along the side of bike paths.
 
2013-03-04 02:16:18 PM
Didn't we just discuss this?

I think it came down to:

- Yes, people release more CO2 / mile than a car
- No, it is not the same because cars burn CO2 that had been tucked away (not part of the short term carbon cycle) while people released CO2 that was trapped from our immediate environment.
 
2013-03-04 02:16:54 PM
Should bike riders pay a fee for their use of the roads? They say they already pay sales and property taxes but so do people who drive cars.
 
2013-03-04 02:18:17 PM
Even trees cause more pollution than automobiles. Reagan clued us into that back in 1981.
 
2013-03-04 02:18:58 PM

basemetal: At full speed, the Bugatti Veryon  consumes 45000 L of air per minute. It almost equals human air consumption for four days.


www.wikinoticia.com
capt. slow is aware of these interesting facts
 
2013-03-04 02:19:52 PM

Cletus C.: Should bike riders pay a fee for their use of the roads? They say they already pay sales and property taxes but so do people who drive cars.


I drive some days and bike other days, so I'll get a double whammy?
 
2013-03-04 02:20:46 PM
Washington State Rep from East Chucklefark County says something stupid.  Haste not to the blog!
 
2013-03-04 02:21:12 PM
He's absolutely right -- I always hold my breath during the entirety of my drive into work to cancel out the carbon emissions from my tailpipe.
 
2013-03-04 02:21:16 PM
Republican/conservative SOP: Set agenda, seek/make up "evidence" to support it.
 
2013-03-04 02:22:05 PM

meat0918: Cletus C.: Should bike riders pay a fee for their use of the roads? They say they already pay sales and property taxes but so do people who drive cars.

I drive some days and bike other days, so I'll get a double whammy?


not really since the road tax is mostly in the form of fuel taxes so if you're not driving, you're not paying it
 
2013-03-04 02:22:41 PM
Why should I pay more than I already do in property taxes, gas taxes, sales taxes, etc, just to use my extremely low-impact mountain bike to commute to work? I'd gladly pay a new tax just to get some street sweepers to clean up the roadside debris that shiats up the bike lane, all two feet of it that we get between us and being run over. I'd also pay a tax to get roadside curb drains covered with something to prevent being severely injured by them.

These things:

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2013-03-04 02:23:09 PM

Cletus C.: Should bike riders pay a fee for their use of the roads? They say they already pay sales and property taxes but so do people who drive cars.


I'm thinking you should do a bit more research before proposing this question.
 
2013-03-04 02:23:15 PM

snowshovel: Did you ever watch a marathon? The amount of paper cups thrown to the side of the road when the runners are done drinking is astounding. Did you ever see a driver in a NASCAR race throw a paper cup out the window during the race? I imagine that the amount of paper cups, empty water bottles, and "health" food energy bars pile up pretty quick along the side of bike paths.


Everybody pay attention. This is how you do it.
 
2013-03-04 02:24:21 PM
Carbon dioxide isn't harmful anyway. Michele Bachmann told me so, and she's on the Science Committee so she should know.
 
2013-03-04 02:25:10 PM

Cletus C.: Should bike riders pay a fee for their use of the roads? They say they already pay sales and property taxes but so do people who drive cars.


short answer: yes

longer answer: if they use the roads and add to (if not cause all by themselves) congestion, then yep, they should be taxed accordingly.  it's not simply about wear and tear on the roads.

let alone that they don't carry any insurance yet cause plenty of accidents
(protip cyclists: you can cause injury too - blasting through intersections and clipping pedestrians tends to leave a mark)

of course, you could just choose NOT to ride on the road, but i get it - it's your RIGHT to be out there farking it up for the rest of us
 
2013-03-04 02:25:57 PM
Perhaps the good rep should do his part and stop exhaling..
 
2013-03-04 02:27:15 PM
Do you know how we can tell that you're a farking moron and a political hack?
 
2013-03-04 02:28:10 PM
I thought Republicans were going to stop being the stupid party.
 
2013-03-04 02:29:29 PM
In his email, Orcutt wrote: "If I am not mistaken, a cyclists [sic] has an increased heart rate and respiration. That means that the act of riding a bike results in greater emissions of carbon dioxide from the rider. Since CO2 is deemed to be a greenhouse gas and a pollutant, bicyclists are actually polluting when they ride."

And this is why his "logic" falls apart:

A: Just because someone riding a bike produces more CO2 than someone sitting in a car, it doesn't mean that the car itself is a zero-emission vehicle. Dipshiat is over-simplifying the equation.
B: The GOP has already assured us that CO2 is NOT a pollutant, because it appears naturally.
 
2013-03-04 02:29:59 PM

inner ted: of course, you could just choose NOT to ride on the road, but i get it - it's your RIGHT to be out there farking it up for the rest of us


Do you think bicycles have wings?
 
2013-03-04 02:30:48 PM

inner ted: Cletus C.: Should bike riders pay a fee for their use of the roads? They say they already pay sales and property taxes but so do people who drive cars.

short answer: yes

longer answer: if they use the roads and add to (if not cause all by themselves) congestion, then yep, they should be taxed accordingly.  it's not simply about wear and tear on the roads.

let alone that they don't carry any insurance yet cause plenty of accidents
(protip cyclists: you can cause injury too - blasting through intersections and clipping pedestrians tends to leave a mark)

of course, you could just choose NOT to ride on the road, but i get it - it's your RIGHT to be out there farking it up for the rest of us


You seem completely oblivious to the idea that riding on sidewalks is more dangerous than road cycling is. Most people don't come to a complete stop at stop signs, nor do they tend to stop at the stripe, so if you're crossing a road while using a sidewalk path, you'll probably get hit far sooner than I will by traveling on the side of the road.

I don't know any cyclists who hit pedestrians without getting knocked off their bike in the process. Clipping a person doesn't just hurt them. It'll throw you off.

But yeah, I get it. Blame the victim, and all that.
 
2013-03-04 02:30:53 PM

gshepnyc: I thought Republicans were going to stop being the stupid party.


Maybe they remembered that they are supposed to be proud of their ignorance and don't want to appear as if they lack conviction.  Besides, going back on being stupid would be tantamount to saying "we were wrong" and that will NEVER happen.
 
2013-03-04 02:30:57 PM

Pochas: Actually, if you eat a lot of meat, walking has a bigger carbon footprint than driving for you.  It's because you burn calories when you walk and then you eat food to get those calories back but it took a good amount of fossil fuels to produce/harvest/transport that food to you.  The same applies to biking, but it is slightly less than the carbon footprint of driving because biking is more efficient than walking.


This is a good point, but when humans burn calories they are expending carbon dioxide that was already part of the organic carbon cycle.  Burning fossil fuels adds new carbon dioxide to this cycle.
 
2013-03-04 02:31:44 PM

skullkrusher: meat0918: Cletus C.: Should bike riders pay a fee for their use of the roads? They say they already pay sales and property taxes but so do people who drive cars.

I drive some days and bike other days, so I'll get a double whammy?

not really since the road tax is mostly in the form of fuel taxes so if you're not driving, you're not paying it


Did you miss the part about how I do drive?

That said, I'd actually love some sort of bike registration and licensing process.  I'm as tired of bad cyclists as everyone else, and feel more at risk from motorists while biking because of the behavior of a few bad apples.
 
2013-03-04 02:31:58 PM
I'm guessing this guy is from eastern Washington? That's where we keep our idiots in this state.
 
2013-03-04 02:32:07 PM

Pochas: Actually, if you eat a lot of meat, walking has a bigger carbon footprint than driving for you.  It's because you burn calories when you walk and then you eat food to get those calories back but it took a good amount of fossil fuels to produce/harvest/transport that food to you.  The same applies to biking, but it is slightly less than the carbon footprint of driving because biking is more efficient than walking.


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2013-03-04 02:32:15 PM

aircraftkiller: Why should I pay more than I already do in property taxes, gas taxes, sales taxes, etc, just to use my extremely low-impact mountain bike to commute to work?


Because the drivers are paying those costs, PLUS registration fees and such. Someone's gotta pay for the roads. Personally, I don't care either way, but if everyone started riding tomorrow, we wouldn't have any revenue to keep the roads maintained, so I can at least see where people are coming from on that one.

This dude though? He's a Grade-A moron. A derp sandwich with a side of onion derps...
 
2013-03-04 02:33:29 PM

Mikey1969: In his email, Orcutt wrote: "If I am not mistaken, a cyclists [sic] has an increased heart rate and respiration. That means that the act of riding a bike results in greater emissions of carbon dioxide from the rider. Since CO2 is deemed to be a greenhouse gas and a pollutant, bicyclists are actually polluting when they ride."

And this is why his "logic" falls apart:

A: Just because someone riding a bike produces more CO2 than someone sitting in a car, it doesn't mean that the car itself is a zero-emission vehicle. Dipshiat is over-simplifying the equation.
B: The GOP has already assured us that CO2 is NOT a pollutant, because it appears naturally.


Pardon my ignorance in the greenhouse gas issue, but isn't the real problem with emissions CO and not CO2?  I always thought it was the Carbon MONoxide that was the problem because it'd bond with the O in Ozone (O3)?

I too assumed CO2 wasn't a big deal cause it was natural.  Also, because it carbonates my beer, and beer would never do anything to harm me.

Please advise.
 
2013-03-04 02:33:44 PM

skullkrusher: meat0918: Cletus C.: Should bike riders pay a fee for their use of the roads? They say they already pay sales and property taxes but so do people who drive cars.

I drive some days and bike other days, so I'll get a double whammy?

not really since the road tax is mostly in the form of fuel taxes so if you're not driving, you're not paying it


Yes, that's just farking genius. You only pay taxes when you're actually physically driving. Oh, that's not what you meant? Then speak like an adult, not a 13 year old.

Look, 95% of cyclists own a car. That means registration, insurance, gas, maintenance. All the same things that you reel 'murcans do. Furthermore, the vast majority of local road maintenance is not paid for with gas taxes. It's paid for with levies, bonds, and other voter-approved programs.

And no, I don't give citations for shiat I can google in 5 minutes. It's common knowledge to anyone willing to look at it, but by all means keep making shiat up. It hasn't stopped you in years of farking.
 
2013-03-04 02:34:25 PM
Trees cause pollution. It's a well-known fact.
 
2013-03-04 02:34:35 PM
No, this is true! They say never operate a stationary bike in a closed space. My aunt once set one up in a garage. Hours later, she was dead. The police ruled it a suicide.
 
2013-03-04 02:35:01 PM

snowshovel: Did you ever watch a marathon? The amount of paper cups thrown to the side of the road when the runners are done drinking is astounding. Did you ever see a driver in a NASCAR race throw a paper cup out the window during the race? I imagine that the amount of paper cups, empty water bottles, and "health" food energy bars pile up pretty quick along the side of bike paths.


As a guy who frequents bike paths during the summer, they're pretty clean.  Along the Blue Route (near Philly) I see blown out tires by the side of the road all the time.

Bike paths have plenty of trash cans along them and most people bring their water in bottles that they put into bottle holders on their bikes.  And they don't tend to eat Clif bars or Power bars until they get to the various trail heads and benches along the path, which have trash cans by them.

This is not an "I'm guessing" statement.  This is from experience.
 
2013-03-04 02:35:22 PM

Mikey1969: aircraftkiller: Why should I pay more than I already do in property taxes, gas taxes, sales taxes, etc, just to use my extremely low-impact mountain bike to commute to work?

Because the drivers are paying those costs, PLUS registration fees and such. Someone's gotta pay for the roads. Personally, I don't care either way, but if everyone started riding tomorrow, we wouldn't have any revenue to keep the roads maintained, so I can at least see where people are coming from on that one.


Here's the problem with your logic: I own a car. I pay registration costs/license fees/etc. I also fill up with gas quite often, as I leave my car with my wife during the day and take my bike to work. I'm already paying for roads. Why do I need to pay twice?

As I said earlier, I'd gladly pay if there was some incentive for me to do so. Like getting people to clean garbage out of my bike lanes, and making roads more bike-friendly in general. Otherwise, what's the point?
 
2013-03-04 02:37:53 PM

Mikey1969: aircraftkiller: Why should I pay more than I already do in property taxes, gas taxes, sales taxes, etc, just to use my extremely low-impact mountain bike to commute to work?

Because the drivers are paying those costs, PLUS registration fees and such. Someone's gotta pay for the roads. Personally, I don't care either way, but if everyone started riding tomorrow, we wouldn't have any revenue to keep the roads maintained, so I can at least see where people are coming from on that one.

This dude though? He's a Grade-A moron. A derp sandwich with a side of onion derps...


That's not gonna happen.

Now, shifting to electric and electric hybrid vehicles is more likely, and places like Oregon and Washington(I think they are at least) are already trying to recapture that lost revenue.
 
2013-03-04 02:38:48 PM
Is he an -R?

I only ask because they have some difficulty distinguishing facts from feelings.
 
2013-03-04 02:42:45 PM
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2013-03-04 02:43:04 PM

Mikey1969: aircraftkiller: Why should I pay more than I already do in property taxes, gas taxes, sales taxes, etc, just to use my extremely low-impact mountain bike to commute to work?

Because the drivers are paying those costs, PLUS registration fees and such. Someone's gotta pay for the roads. Personally, I don't care either way, but if everyone started riding tomorrow, we wouldn't have any revenue to keep the roads maintained, so I can at least see where people are coming from on that one.

This dude though? He's a Grade-A moron. A derp sandwich with a side of onion derps...


The roads would last much (much) longer if you didn't have auto traffic (especially larger heavier vehicles), bikes and pedestrian traffic cause much less road wear then cars do. There would still be some work to do because of environmental effects but outside of that... plus if you design the paths for bikes/peds you can use something like concrete which lasts even longer and would be easier to maintain due to its size.

Also bike lanes tend to be for the benefit of the auto driver, not the cyclists. Stupid white paint doesn't really do jack for the bikers safety and encourages traffic to travel at higher speeds around a more vulnerable user of the facility. Not to mention they are usually the most filled with debris.
 
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