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2013-03-04 01:42:01 PM
hotmail still exists?
 
2013-03-04 02:18:52 PM
1. No matter what the sport, the more you know about the intricacies, the more enjoyable it is. That's everything from football to basketball to hockey to NASCAR. It's also difficult to get emotionally involved in any game between two teams if you don't have a rooting interest.

2. It's hard for me to take a guy seriously when he says soccer is too boring, but baseball is his thing. Because when I think, "nonstop, breathless action", baseball is the very first thing that springs to mind. I don't even dislike baseball.
 
2013-03-04 02:25:13 PM
Langston:

2. It's hard for me to take a guy seriously when he says soccer is too boring, but baseball is his thing. Because when I think, "nonstop, breathless action", baseball is the very first thing that springs to mind. I don't even dislike baseball.

Done in two.
 
2013-03-04 02:27:02 PM
Just watched the LA Galaxy thrash Chicago Fire 4-0 at the HDC. We like football exactly the way it is. If you dont like go watch something else.
 
2013-03-04 02:27:03 PM
If I were a troll that got published in a city's newspaper, I'd use my throwaway hotmail address, too.

/you can tell that it's trolling when you take Langston's No. 2 point into account
//I do agree that soccer is boring, however. That's why the fans have to invent songs - so they don't fall asleep.
 
2013-03-04 02:29:30 PM
Awww look, steamingpile wrote himself an article and then linked to it.

Anyone who thinks the game, even the MLS, is boring, needs to look no further than last night's Timbers-Red Bulls game.
 
2013-03-04 02:30:31 PM
Hockey has the most action, but any coach can drag that down with a boring 'system'.

I guess there are three things that draw true fans to sports.

1. Action
2. Between play anticipation
3. Rooting interest
 
2013-03-04 02:32:56 PM
Okay, soccer isn't my thing.  Whatever.  But indoor soccer is farking awesome.
 
2013-03-04 02:35:56 PM
He's a former Inquirer editor too. Impressive!
 
2013-03-04 02:40:45 PM
Each goal should be worth 6 points just like in our football. 3-1 would 18 to 6.
 
2013-03-04 02:41:57 PM

uncleacid: Each goal should be worth 6 points just like in our football. 3-1 would 18 to 6.


How sad is it that soccer fans honestly seem to think that this is the problem?
 
2013-03-04 02:42:06 PM
They do blow offsides calls too often considering how rare good scoring opportunities are.  I know that's not really his point, but it's still annoying.
 
2013-03-04 02:48:54 PM
I just hope U.S. soccer's growth doesn't unleash the same violent passions and hooliganism that sometimes erupt in Europe and Latin America. Remember the unfortunate Colombian defender who was shot to death not long after causing an own goal in the World Cup?


of the various criticisms of soccer (i'm a huge fan) this is one that really bugs the shiat out of me.  go ask Brian Stow how wholesome and family-friendly american sports are, or any number of cities that have experienced riots post-championship game. Yes, the violence that happens at Big Three sporting events is not on the scale of what has happened in some countries, but don't act like there isn't violence at games.  or, if you criticize soccer's violence, then own up to the stuff that happens here.
 
2013-03-04 02:51:42 PM

IAmRight: How sad is it that soccer fans honestly seem to think that this is the problem?


How sad is it that you think soccer fans think there's a problem with the sport?
 
2013-03-04 02:56:31 PM

uncleacid: Each goal should be worth 6 points just like in our football. 3-1 would 18 to 6.


i've long argued that the NFL should adopt a three point line of sorts for long FGs.  reward teams that attempt the semi-risky 50+yd FG (if missed, then field position for opposing team) with 4, and penalize teams that play conservatively and settle for chip shots from 19yds out. those should be 2.

/also, the safety should be worth 4. when the whole point of the game is to get the ball across the enemy's endzone, getting the ball downed in your end zone should be painful.  2 points is not enough.  it should be like, 4 or 5.

/alex, i'll take, "things that will never happen" for $500
 
2013-03-04 02:56:59 PM
So, most of this article is a rehash of knee-jerk soccah iz boring hurr. Impressive.

I just hope U.S. soccer's growth doesn't unleash the same violent passions and hooliganism that sometimes erupt in Europe and Latin America. Remember the unfortunate Colombian defender who was shot to death not long after causing an own goal in the World Cup?

And, this is only a point someone would raise if they have literally no understanding of the socioeconomic and cultural differences between the United States and damn near everywhere else in the world. Unless a random city like Pittsburgh literally has a line drawn down the middle separating Catholics and Protestants that I didn't know about (just as an example), between that and actually having a civil rights movement in our history sort of precludes the US from ever being a serious hotbed of "hooliganism".
 
2013-03-04 02:58:31 PM

TonnageVT: IAmRight: How sad is it that soccer fans honestly seem to think that this is the problem?

How sad is it that you think soccer fans think there's a problem with the sport?


Soccer fans KNOW there is a problem w/ the sport, but they're not about the "sport" as it is about the ancillary stuff. Sepp Blatter and Malaysian betting cartels being the two major issues w/ soccer today.
 
2013-03-04 02:58:42 PM

rickythepenguin: and penalize teams that play conservatively and settle for chip shots from 19yds out. those should be 2.


3 is already kind of its own punishment at this point. You make it two and then it's really easy for coaches to pass up the 2 to go for it. I like getting to criticize coaches.
 
2013-03-04 03:04:21 PM

Killer Cars: So, most of this article is a rehash of knee-jerk soccah iz boring hurr. Impressive.



granted this is fark where the default setting is "what you like sucks, and here's why", but.....i will never understnad why soccer gets bashed so much.  "lol they flop around to get calls and then get healed by magic spray lol".  yeah, because there's no gamesmanship in MLB.  nope.  no ghost tags (more of a player safety thing, but still), framing pitches, or HGH / roids, etc.  in football, if the game was callled to the letter of the law every play would have a flag for holding.  MLB doesn't call the strike zone the way it is in the book.  in hoops, the NBA had such a flopping problem they added a rule for it this offseason.

why people will spend so much energy on why they hate soccer instead of just not watching is beyond me.  i don't like the NHL, but I don't go on and on and on about why (and disclaimer, i got really into it lat year when the 'Yotes made a palyoff run) it isn't my cup of tea.

TL:DR:  LEAVE SOCCER ALONE!
 
2013-03-04 03:06:39 PM

rickythepenguin: uncleacid: Each goal should be worth 6 points just like in our football. 3-1 would 18 to 6.

i've long argued that the NFL should adopt a three point line of sorts for long FGs.  reward teams that attempt the semi-risky 50+yd FG (if missed, then field position for opposing team) with 4, and penalize teams that play conservatively and settle for chip shots from 19yds out. those should be 2.

/also, the safety should be worth 4. when the whole point of the game is to get the ball across the enemy's endzone, getting the ball downed in your end zone should be painful.  2 points is not enough.  it should be like, 4 or 5.

/alex, i'll take, "things that will never happen" for $500


This would penalize gaining yards on offense, or encourage time wasting delay of games to push you back over a line. No one would ever take a two-point shot, outside of the very end of the halves.

And a safety IS a huge penalty because not only do you give up 2 points, you also lose posession AND generally give the opponent's offense good starting field position.
 
2013-03-04 03:07:01 PM

rickythepenguin: /also, the safety should be worth 4.


you goddamn right it should be.  Then people say "but you get the ball."  Don't care.  Getting a safety is rare and some teams benefit from taking it.  If the penalty were more severe we could see some first down punts which would be interesting.
 
2013-03-04 03:11:29 PM

rickythepenguin: of the various criticisms of soccer (i'm a huge fan) this is one that really bugs the shiat out of me. go ask Brian Stow how wholesome and family-friendly american sports are, or any number of cities that have experienced riots post-championship game.



True, but a lot of soccer hooliganism overseas is rooted in specific social/racial divides, in part because even in otherwise "modern" or "western" countries you can have large cities that aren't nearly as economically and racially diverse between even individual communities and neighborhoods like here stateside. If five drunk Steelers fans were to crash a Browns bar and start a fight, they did it solely because they were drunk and they're assholes.

rickythepenguin: i will never understnad why soccer gets bashed so much. "lol they flop around to get calls and then get healed by magic spray lol". yeah, because there's no gamesmanship in MLB. nope. no ghost tags (more of a player safety thing, but still), framing pitches, or HGH / roids, etc. in football, if the game was callled to the letter of the law every play would have a flag for holding.


Pretty much.
 
2013-03-04 03:13:24 PM

thecpt: Getting a safety is rare and some teams benefit from taking it. If the penalty were more severe we could see some first down punts which would be interesting.


it's just a cool play when it happens.  when done intentionally it is kinda even cooler.  like there was a game a few years back when, i think on MNF, Belichick took an intentional safety.  i forget why, but i remember that.  and then of course the super bowl, with the ravens squeezing down the clock and i forget if they took a safety or not.

(when the 49ers missed that 4th and goal with about 30 seconds left, since i wasn't really into the game anyways, i changed the channel.  it wasn't until the next day on sports radio when foilks were like, "wow what a crazy finish, with the safety/near safety to run out the clock...."
 
2013-03-04 03:16:18 PM

rickythepenguin: like there was a game a few years back when, i think on MNF, Belichick took an intentional safety.


holy shiat.  that was 10 years ago.


DENVER -- With the Patriots facing fourth down from their 1-yard line and trailing Denver by a point, New England coach Bill Belichick told http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=5317">Lonie Paxton to snap the ball out of the end zone.

What? An intentional safety? Yes, it was an unusual strategy. And it worked to perfection.

Belichick's gamble put Denver up three, but New England's defense held and http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=5228">Tom Brady hit http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=6115">David Givens on an 18-yard touchdown pass with 30 seconds left to lift the Patriots to a 30-26 win Monday night.

"That was the call of the game," Givens said.

That's an understatement. It might be the call of the NFL season.

Trailing 24-23 with 3:06 left, New England was pinned at the 1 after Denver's http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=6197">Kelly Herndon hustled to down a punt. After three straight incompletions, the Patriots faced the daunting task of punting from the back of the end zone.

At best, Denver would get the ball back around midfield with a chance to kick a field goal and push the lead to four. At worst, the Broncos would block the kick or drive for a touchdown and put the game out of reach.
In Belichick's always-clever mind, it was an easy decision.

"I didn't think we'd get very much field position coming out of there. We had our timeouts left, so we went ahead and took the safety," Belichick said. "We were hoping to get some field position there with the three timeouts and the 2-minute warning still outstanding, hoping we could get the ball back and then be able to at least have a shot at the field goal to tie it."

They got more than that.
 
2013-03-04 03:22:49 PM

rickythepenguin: when done intentionally it is kinda even cooler.


sorry, I was a d-lineman in HS so my opinion is a little biased.  I just thought it was the coolest thing and while I do appreciate outside of the box thinking for using penalties to your advantage, it is just that: intentionally sucking to exploit the rules.  If it's four points, then on the ensuing possession a team could get a FG to make a whole score.  It just makes more sense to me, but I'm fine with chalking it up under "things that will never change."
 
2013-03-04 03:29:19 PM

thecpt: If it's four points, then on the ensuing possession a team could get a FG to make a whole score.



well yeah, that's what I'm saying, it should be painful.  like i siad, the whole point is to get your ball in his territory.  so him forcing you to down your ball in your territory should hurt.  why tackling the QB in his endzone is worth 2, when if the LB recovers the fumble in your territory is worth 7 is dumb.

but it will never change, and that's ok.
 
2013-03-04 03:36:32 PM
Oh good... finally an article about how some guy doesn't like soccer.  It's not like that hasn't been written about hundreds of times. rolleyes.gif.

Don't like it?  Don't watch it and shut the fark up.  I watched two BPL games and a La Liga game this week. You don't see me getting all high and mighty and write an "article" on how much golf sucks...
 
2013-03-04 04:16:35 PM
Scoring in football is like a box of chocolates. One or four at a time will make each one special and keep you wanting more, the entire box will make you sick.
 
2013-03-04 04:23:18 PM

Killer Cars: rickythepenguin: of the various criticisms of soccer (i'm a huge fan) this is one that really bugs the shiat out of me. go ask Brian Stow how wholesome and family-friendly american sports are, or any number of cities that have experienced riots post-championship game.


True, but a lot of soccer hooliganism overseas is rooted in specific social/racial divides, in part because even in otherwise "modern" or "western" countries you can have large cities that aren't nearly as economically and racially diverse between even individual communities and neighborhoods like here stateside. If five drunk Steelers fans were to crash a Browns bar and start a fight, they did it solely because they were drunk and they're assholes.

rickythepenguin: i will never understnad why soccer gets bashed so much. "lol they flop around to get calls and then get healed by magic spray lol". yeah, because there's no gamesmanship in MLB. nope. no ghost tags (more of a player safety thing, but still), framing pitches, or HGH / roids, etc. in football, if the game was callled to the letter of the law every play would have a flag for holding.

Pretty much.


Top flight American sports have never had the local rivalries based on deep seated and historical socio-economic problems that football is the outlet for in Europe. Imagene Atlanta having two teams in the same sport with one being traditionaly a black team and one being a white team or LA with a white and latino teams that have been playing each other for over a hundred years and you will get the same breading ground for hooliganism.
 
2013-03-04 05:01:29 PM
They need to score the dives that players take and give bonus points for acting.

What's wrong with Hotmail?  I've had an account since it was HoTMaiL.  It was around 1997 I think.
 
2013-03-04 05:51:57 PM
If you watched the Portland vs Red Bulls game last night and didnt enjoy it then you just flat out arent going to like soccer. That game was incredibly entertaining, especially the last 20 minutes as New York did everything in their power to shiat their pants.

I'm incredibly excited MLS season is here. I just moved to Columbus this year and I've got season tickets. Im looking forward to a fun season of soccer and hopefully some inspired play by the Crew. They beat some amateur team made of goats 3-0 in front of a stellar crowd on Saturday.

Can't wait for the opening match in Columbus on the 16th. I just hope its not 39 degrees like its forecasted now.
 
2013-03-04 06:04:28 PM
Ok soccer was just starting as an intermural sport when I was in grade school in the seventies so I never really had a chance to learn the game like I did baseball football and hockey. That being said can someone please explain how off sides works. I find that the most confusing thing about soccer.
 
2013-03-04 06:20:56 PM

TonnageVT: Awww look, steamingpile wrote himself an article and then linked to it.

Anyone who thinks the game, even the MLS, is boring, needs to look no further than last night's Timbers-Red Bulls game.


I was alone in my TV room standing for the final 5 minutes.  If it wasn't for DVR I'd probably have pissed myself rather than miss the ending.
 
2013-03-04 06:42:53 PM

Norfolking Chance: LA with a white and latino teams that have been playing each other for over a hundred years and you will get the same breading ground for hooliganism.


That's what MLS tried to do with the Galaxy and Chivas USA.

But the Galaxy is run by professionals (well, sort of.  They once hired Alexi Lalas to be team president).

Chivas USA is run by a guy that thinks that "The Producers" is a documentary.
 
2013-03-04 06:45:07 PM

45cal: Ok soccer was just starting as an intermural sport when I was in grade school in the seventies so I never really had a chance to learn the game like I did baseball football and hockey. That being said can someone please explain how off sides works. I find that the most confusing thing about soccer.


Ok here goes. When the ball is passed forward (important point 1) the attacking player must have at least two members of the opposing team in front or level with him.


To put into NFL terms when the forward pass is made the line of scrimmage is on the lead attacker. There must be at least two members of the defence in front of or on the line scrimmage.


Now the real complication added in the last few years is that if you as an attacker are not interfering with play then you cannot be offside. Normally this means sitting doing your boots up or moving back onside with your hands in the air but is up to the ref or linesperson to decide in each case.

 
2013-03-04 06:52:32 PM

Norfolking Chance: Now the real complication added in the last few years is that if you as an attacker are not interfering with play then you cannot be offside. Normally this means sitting doing your boots up or moving back onside with your hands in the air but is up to the ref or linesperson to decide in each case.


which causes more confusion.....i prefer the old or "as written" rule. don't like the offside trap?  then watch wehre the backline defender is.  the "player in offside position was not attacking / not in the action" is subjective.  you see a guy in offside position that is in no way involved with the play sometimes get flagged, sometimes not.
 
2013-03-04 07:10:46 PM
Football/soccer is the most popular sport in the world and has been since the 1850's. No reason at all to change the laws of the game to satisfy some yanks who need a goal every 2 minutes (or cheerleaders/explosions) to keep their attention.

Maybe you should focus on improving the popularity of NFL worldwide? Not stopping every 10 seconds for a break would be a start. If you'd like to read more of my thoughts on how shiat American sports can be improved I have a blog at www.nobodygivesafark.com
 
2013-03-04 07:26:12 PM

Norfolking Chance: Ok here goes. When the ball is passed forward (important point 1) the attacking player must have at least two members of the opposing team in front or level with him.


With a couple of exceptions.  Can't be offside in your own half.  And can't be offside if you are behind the ball when it is played.
 
2013-03-04 07:33:26 PM
Ok but doesnt this penalize a player who gets behind the defense. I guess I don't understand why offsides is based on the position of the defense.
 
2013-03-04 07:51:47 PM

Swoop1809: If you watched the Portland vs Red Bulls game last night and didnt enjoy it then you just flat out arent going to like soccer. That game was incredibly entertaining, especially the last 20 minutes as New York did everything in their power to shiat their pants.

I'm incredibly excited MLS season is here. I just moved to Columbus this year and I've got season tickets. Im looking forward to a fun season of soccer and hopefully some inspired play by the Crew. They beat some amateur team made of goats 3-0 in front of a stellar crowd on Saturday.

Can't wait for the opening match in Columbus on the 16th. I just hope its not 39 degrees like its forecasted now.


I still can't believe I gave up on that game when the Timbers were down 3-1.
 
2013-03-04 08:50:24 PM

TonyDanza: Norfolking Chance: Ok here goes. When the ball is passed forward (important point 1) the attacking player must have at least two members of the opposing team in front or level with him.

With a couple of exceptions.  Can't be offside in your own half.  And can't be offside if you are behind the ball when it is played.


That & you can't be offside from a throw in too.
 
2013-03-04 08:56:06 PM

Langston: 2. It's hard for me to take a guy seriously when he says soccer is too boring, but baseball is his thing. Because when I think, "nonstop, breathless action", baseball is the very first thing that springs to mind. I don't even dislike baseball.


Given how many people I've known who have called baseball boring but think soccer is action packed, I don't think this argument carries much weight.
 
2013-03-04 11:13:47 PM

45cal: Ok but doesnt this penalize a player who gets behind the defense. I guess I don't understand why offsides is based on the position of the defense.


It penalizes cherry-picking. The offside rule allows a highly dynamic interaction between attacking and defending players, encouraging the attackers to create well timed and creative passing plays to penetrate through the defensive line on the fly (without having to break for a huddle).

It also allows the defensive backs to establish "territorial rights" by moving the back line up the field. You might almost compare an attack in soccer to an attack in warfare. The position of the defense is of paramount importance in planning an attack.

It is an excellent rule, but sometimes understandably misjudged by the linesmen. Trying to determine if a player is in an offside position looking across 80 yards of pitch and taking in the attacker, the defender, and when the ball was kicked is not necessarily an easy task. But it certainly makes for a great excuse to boo the officials!
 
2013-03-04 11:30:32 PM

06Wahoo: Langston: 2. It's hard for me to take a guy seriously when he says soccer is too boring, but baseball is his thing. Because when I think, "nonstop, breathless action", baseball is the very first thing that springs to mind. I don't even dislike baseball.

Given how many people I've known who have called baseball boring but think soccer is action packed, I don't think this argument carries much weight.


My point is that either can seem boring if you don't understand the sport. To a baseball fan, there is intrigue and complexity to a pitcher's duel. To a non-fan, it's inning after scoreless inning of non-action. Batter comes up, batter is retired. A non-fan isn't thinking about a pitch count or the different strategies of pitching against different types of hitters, or considering how and when to bring in middle relief and which relievers will work best.

Likewise, non-soccer fans see guys kicking a ball around pointlessly without taking a shot. They don't see the diagonal runs behind the defenders to pull their defensive structure out of shape, or players crossing to create a marking mismatch, and it just looks random to them. Different teams attack differently, have different skills and threats, and how a team chooses to defend against that threat makes a huge difference in the game.
 
2013-03-05 01:38:08 AM
The only time soccer is interesting is during the World Cup.  Other than that, it is just a bunch of prima donnas who are supposedly the top of the game, but continually miss the goal by a wide mark.  Sorry, but that is the way it is, soccer fans.

Unless you are British, don't use British terms when talking about the sport.  It comes off as overly pretentious and boring.
 
2013-03-05 05:12:32 AM

IAmRight: uncleacid: Each goal should be worth 6 points just like in our football. 3-1 would 18 to 6.

How sad is it that soccer fans honestly seem to think that this is the problem?


Soccer fans don't think that's a problem. It's mocking American Football for awarding more points per score to add the illusion of a "high scoring game" when in reality if you give 1 point per score, it's not.

I'll never forget watching a soccer analyst embarrass a football analyst on an ESPN show when they were talking about scoring. The football analyst said (I think it was the Patriots) had the highest scoring offense that season and scored XXX amount of points, the soccer analyst came back with how many goals Manchester United had scored that season. The football guy laughed and said, see we score more than soccer....the soccer guy then said, take all out ManU's goals and multiply that by 6 and they outscored your team by 3x. The football guy then pouted.
 
2013-03-05 07:08:13 AM
Could one of the cool kids let us dorks in on whats wrong with Hotmail?
 
2013-03-05 08:24:21 AM

OhioUGrad: IAmRight: uncleacid: Each goal should be worth 6 points just like in our football. 3-1 would 18 to 6.

How sad is it that soccer fans honestly seem to think that this is the problem?

Soccer fans don't think that's a problem. It's mocking American Football for awarding more points per score to add the illusion of a "high scoring game" when in reality if you give 1 point per score, it's not.

I'll never forget watching a soccer analyst embarrass a football analyst on an ESPN show when they were talking about scoring. The football analyst said (I think it was the Patriots) had the highest scoring offense that season and scored XXX amount of points, the soccer analyst came back with how many goals Manchester United had scored that season. The football guy laughed and said, see we score more than soccer....the soccer guy then said, take all out ManU's goals and multiply that by 6 and they outscored your team by 3x. The football guy then pouted.


And of course, it is a fallacious comparison.  But whatever you soccer people tell yourselves in order to think you are above the masses.
 
2013-03-05 09:48:05 AM

OhioUGrad: I'll never forget watching a soccer analyst embarrass a football analyst on an ESPN show when they were talking about scoring. The football analyst said (I think it was the Patriots) had the highest scoring offense that season and scored XXX amount of points, the soccer analyst came back with how many goals Manchester United had scored that season. The football guy laughed and said, see we score more than soccer....the soccer guy then said, take all out ManU's goals and multiply that by 6 and they outscored your team by 3x. The football guy then pouted.


Well, when you make sh*t up, knowing that your opponent doesn't know how full of sh*t you are, I guess that's easier.

From league tables: 2006-07 ManU: 83 goals
2007-08 ManU: 80 goals

Cool. So those are the two years around where the Pats killed it on offense.

83 x 6 is 498
80 x 6 is 480

Meanwhile, the Patriots scored 589 points that year.

Let's go ahead and add that the Patriots played 16 games; ManU played 38 games each season.

So yeah, GREAT POINT, SOCCER ANALYST! Not only does your sport suck, but you're either sh*tty at math or you're a liar.
 
2013-03-05 09:49:10 AM
Maybe he said that they should get 6 points per shot on goal. Which would be asinine in a whole new way, but at least the numbers MIGHT work out.
 
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