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2013-03-04 12:21:09 PM  
Struve's fight IQ is equal to potatoe, his post-fight comments and actions are laughable in context.
 
2013-03-04 12:35:06 PM  
Stann needs to install some calluses on his feet to prevent slippage.
 
2013-03-04 12:35:31 PM  
Guy gets punched in the face and immediately gets tits sent to him. Seems like a good reason to get punched
 
2013-03-04 12:45:12 PM  
Just don't see Struve having the skill or power to be elite in that division.  I'm guessing he'll end up like Bisping:  Very good, but won't get over that hump to the very top.
 
2013-03-04 12:45:50 PM  
The more important part of the story,

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2013-03-04 12:47:28 PM  
 Hunt had to jump up to throw crosses to the face like Nintendo's Punchout.
 
2013-03-04 12:52:42 PM  
Struve was 14" taller with a 10.5" inch reach advantage, both of which he should've been able to use to keep Hunt's bombs well away from his face. But he just stood there thinking he could take them.
 
2013-03-04 12:55:09 PM  
"I wanted to keep fighting".

Yes, that's why you put your hands behind your head and laid there waiting for your trainers..
 
2013-03-04 01:04:37 PM  

violentsalvation: Struve was 14" taller with a 10.5" inch reach advantage, both of which he should've been able to use to keep Hunt's bombs well away from his face. But he just stood there thinking he could take them.


Struve has improved in a lot of places since joining the UFC, but his striking and striking defence remains sorely lacking.  He needs a better striking coach like nobody's business.  He has no concept of self-preservation.

That, and Hunt hits like a truck.
 
2013-03-04 01:21:35 PM  
Struve is the perfect counter argument for those people who think Jon Jones is as dominant as he is now because of his height.
 
2013-03-04 01:27:40 PM  

Subtle_Canary: Struve is the perfect counter argument for those people who think Jon Jones is as dominant as he is now because of his height.


Repeat x Kendall Grove, George Roop, Corey Hill, Ben Saunders, etc.
 
2013-03-04 01:31:40 PM  

Subtle_Canary: Struve is the perfect counter argument for those people who think Jon Jones is as dominant as he is now because of his height.


All that reach doesn't mean shiat if you're slow otherwise Tim Sylvia would still be champ.


Also Struve actually did connect a few times with Hunt but he has a head like a coconut.
 
2013-03-04 01:38:32 PM  

DevilsHorns J: Yes, that's why you put your hands behind your head and laid there waiting for your trainers..


That's actually a standard defensive position as a grappler on the ground when facing a standing opponent.
 
2013-03-04 01:43:55 PM  
I love Mark Hunt.  Dude almost kimura'd Fedor during his reign of invincible terror.  If only he dedicated himself to MMA rather than kickboxing, he'd have been a great
 
2013-03-04 01:49:27 PM  

Subtle_Canary: Struve is the perfect counter argument for those people who think Jon Jones is as dominant as he is now because of his height.


Ehh, not really. In fact, it could be seen as just the opposite. Jones uses his reach to its full effect, and is champ. Struve lets his opponents inside that long reach, and consistently ends up on his back looking at stars. Struve is just an example of how NOT to use that kind of physical advantage.
 
2013-03-04 01:50:00 PM  
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2013-03-04 01:56:11 PM  

GavinTheAlmighty: Struve has improved in a lot of places since joining the UFC, but his striking and striking defence remains sorely lacking. He needs a better striking coach like nobody's business. He has no concept of self-preservation.


I was shocked walking that fight.  Struve made no real attempt to keep Hunt out of range.  He should have been jabbing and leg kicking like crazy and he didn't.  What's worse, as soon as Hunt would move forward Struve would just cover up and wait to be hit.  Over and over again.  It was crazy to watch.
 
2013-03-04 01:56:30 PM  

carnifex2005: [i.minus.com image 495x165]


Now I want Sprite Herb Dean as a forum avatar.
 
2013-03-04 01:56:38 PM  

the biggest redneck here: Subtle_Canary: Struve is the perfect counter argument for those people who think Jon Jones is as dominant as he is now because of his height.

Ehh, not really. In fact, it could be seen as just the opposite. Jones uses his reach to its full effect, and is champ. Struve lets his opponents inside that long reach, and consistently ends up on his back looking at stars. Struve is just an example of how NOT to use that kind of physical advantage.


The line goes that if Jones WASNT so tall he'd be a chump. The logic being that all you need to win is be a tall mofo. Rather im of the camp that Jones is dominant because he is an outstanding fighter. If he wasnt tall as a tree he'd STILL be ultra dangerous, just in a different way. You cant walk into the octagon and get an auto win just because you outrange everyone else by almost a foot.
 
2013-03-04 01:56:54 PM  

the biggest redneck here: Subtle_Canary: Struve is the perfect counter argument for those people who think Jon Jones is as dominant as he is now because of his height.

Ehh, not really. In fact, it could be seen as just the opposite. Jones uses his reach to its full effect, and is champ. Struve lets his opponents inside that long reach, and consistently ends up on his back looking at stars. Struve is just an example of how NOT to use that kind of physical advantage.


Except Jones would have trouble with a guy like Hunt anyways.  A guy who is used to closing distance because he's short in a division full of taller, longer people.
 
2013-03-04 01:57:59 PM  

carnifex2005: [i.minus.com image 495x165]


Nicely done.

Also Struve needs to stop taking striking lessons from Ed Herman.
 
2013-03-04 02:00:49 PM  

Subtle_Canary: You cant walk into the octagon and get an auto win just because you outrange everyone else by almost a foot.


Hell, didn't work for Ben Saunders, either, and he's got amazing kicks to keep people at range.
 
2013-03-04 02:03:01 PM  

wantedbadass: DevilsHorns J: Yes, that's why you put your hands behind your head and laid there waiting for your trainers..

That's actually a standard defensive position as a grappler on the ground when facing a standing opponent.


Yeah, not the way Struve was doing it.
 
2013-03-04 02:06:00 PM  

Subtle_Canary: the biggest redneck here: Subtle_Canary: Struve is the perfect counter argument for those people who think Jon Jones is as dominant as he is now because of his height.

Ehh, not really. In fact, it could be seen as just the opposite. Jones uses his reach to its full effect, and is champ. Struve lets his opponents inside that long reach, and consistently ends up on his back looking at stars. Struve is just an example of how NOT to use that kind of physical advantage.

The line goes that if Jones WASNT so tall he'd be a chump. The logic being that all you need to win is be a tall mofo. Rather im of the camp that Jones is dominant because he is an outstanding fighter. If he wasnt tall as a tree he'd STILL be ultra dangerous, just in a different way. You cant walk into the octagon and get an auto win just because you outrange everyone else by almost a foot.


No doubt, it's just that Struve is a bad example because he doesn't bother to use that reach. We agree on Jones, I think he's the GOAT.
 
2013-03-04 02:20:20 PM  

usttsdw: The more important part of the story,

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whoa! boobies!!!
 
2013-03-04 03:07:10 PM  
Struve has been training with Semmy for like a year, if he hasn't figured out how to utilize his reach by now, he never will.
 
2013-03-04 04:34:37 PM  

the biggest redneck here: Struve's fight IQ is equal to potatoe, his post-fight comments and actions are laughable in context.


Struve's striking defense is equivalent to Chael Sonnen's submission defense.
 
2013-03-04 04:39:55 PM  
Let's just say: Klitschko he ain't.
 
2013-03-04 06:13:57 PM  
The 45 seconds leading up the Struve knock-out appeared to be happening in slow motion. Amazing that Hunt can still generate that kind of power near completely gassed. Then again... small gloves... clean blow.
 
2013-03-04 06:30:12 PM  

usttsdw: The more important part of the story,

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I would have to think there are much easier ways to get the Twitter equivalent of BIE than getting your jaw broken.

Heck, on some websites, you just need to find the right article to comment on and ask.
 
2013-03-04 07:41:06 PM  

WTFdoesitmatter: the biggest redneck here: Struve's fight IQ is equal to potatoe, his post-fight comments and actions are laughable in context.

Struve's striking defense is equivalent to Chael Sonnen's submission defense.


That's... perfect.
 
2013-03-04 07:44:00 PM  

FireProphet: The 45 seconds leading up the Struve knock-out appeared to be happening in slow motion. Amazing that Hunt can still generate that kind of power near completely gassed. Then again... small gloves... clean blow.


Mass + fast-twitch muscle fibers + ingrained technique = that

He had major knee surgery last spring, should look a lot more fit for his next fight. Dude can separate ANYONE from their senses, gotta love that in a 5'10" heavyweight.
 
2013-03-04 09:15:14 PM  

the biggest redneck here: WTFdoesitmatter: the biggest redneck here: Struve's fight IQ is equal to potatoe, his post-fight comments and actions are laughable in context.

Struve's striking defense is equivalent to Chael Sonnen's submission defense.

That's... perfect.


Heh, much like Struve is to height, Sonnen is the answer to anyone claiming pure wrestling is the dominant garppling style.
 
2013-03-04 09:48:08 PM  

Flappyhead: the biggest redneck here: WTFdoesitmatter: the biggest redneck here: Struve's fight IQ is equal to potatoe, his post-fight comments and actions are laughable in context.

Struve's striking defense is equivalent to Chael Sonnen's submission defense.

That's... perfect.

Heh, much like Struve is to height, Sonnen is the answer to anyone claiming pure wrestling is the dominant garppling style.


Well, it is, but you have to have *some* BJJ defense. Just a little.

There's...

1- wrestling
2- muay Thai
3- BJJ (and it's a distant third, all you need is a little defense)
4- everything else (boxing helps more than the rest)
 
2013-03-04 11:16:15 PM  

the biggest redneck here: Flappyhead: the biggest redneck here: WTFdoesitmatter: the biggest redneck here: Struve's fight IQ is equal to potatoe, his post-fight comments and actions are laughable in context.

Struve's striking defense is equivalent to Chael Sonnen's submission defense.

That's... perfect.

Heh, much like Struve is to height, Sonnen is the answer to anyone claiming pure wrestling is the dominant garppling style.

Well, it is, but you have to have *some* BJJ defense. Just a little.

There's...

1- wrestling
2- muay Thai
3- BJJ (and it's a distant third, all you need is a little defense)
4- everything else (boxing helps more than the rest)


Ehhh, I've never really been sold on wrestling being top of the pile.  Honestly I don't think any one style is.  Wrestling is certainly the gold standard on take downs and holding position, but there's more then just a little submission defense.  Plenty of good wrestlers have scored takedowns only to have their opponent sweep them or use an underhook to stand up almost immediatly.  It's a tool.  Mind you it's a damn good one, but it still remains in the hands of the person using it.
 
2013-03-04 11:24:06 PM  

Flappyhead:

Ehhh, I've never really been sold on wrestling being top of the pile.  Honestly I don't think any one style is.  Wrestling is certainly the gold standard on take downs and holding position, but there's more then just a little submission defense.  Plenty of good wrestlers have scored takedowns only to have their opponent sweep them or use an underhook to stand up almost immediatly.  It's a tool.  Mind you it's a damn good one, but it still remains in the hands of the person using it.


It isn't just about the effectiveness but the availability. Damned near every high school and college has a wrestling program in the US. High schools and NCAA wrestling is churning out low level MMA fighters all over the country. Pure BJJ and muay Thai training is pretty hard to find outside of major cities.
 
2013-03-04 11:41:15 PM  

One Bad Apple: Flappyhead:

Ehhh, I've never really been sold on wrestling being top of the pile.  Honestly I don't think any one style is.  Wrestling is certainly the gold standard on take downs and holding position, but there's more then just a little submission defense.  Plenty of good wrestlers have scored takedowns only to have their opponent sweep them or use an underhook to stand up almost immediatly.  It's a tool.  Mind you it's a damn good one, but it still remains in the hands of the person using it.

It isn't just about the effectiveness but the availability. Damned near every high school and college has a wrestling program in the US. High schools and NCAA wrestling is churning out low level MMA fighters all over the country. Pure BJJ and muay Thai training is pretty hard to find outside of major cities.


Very true.  However let's not get too bogged down in the number of wrestlers currently in MMA promotions.  It is still just one skill set, and as it's been shown time and again the best fighters are the most well rounded ones.  Nearly half of the current UFC champs have non-wrestling backgrounds.  Like I said, there are areas that wrestling will always dominate, I'm simply hesitant to put any one particular style at the top of the heap.
 
2013-03-05 12:44:48 PM  

Flappyhead: One Bad Apple: Flappyhead:

Ehhh, I've never really been sold on wrestling being top of the pile.  Honestly I don't think any one style is.  Wrestling is certainly the gold standard on take downs and holding position, but there's more then just a little submission defense.  Plenty of good wrestlers have scored takedowns only to have their opponent sweep them or use an underhook to stand up almost immediatly.  It's a tool.  Mind you it's a damn good one, but it still remains in the hands of the person using it.

It isn't just about the effectiveness but the availability. Damned near every high school and college has a wrestling program in the US. High schools and NCAA wrestling is churning out low level MMA fighters all over the country. Pure BJJ and muay Thai training is pretty hard to find outside of major cities.

Very true.  However let's not get too bogged down in the number of wrestlers currently in MMA promotions.  It is still just one skill set, and as it's been shown time and again the best fighters are the most well rounded ones.  Nearly half of the current UFC champs have non-wrestling backgrounds.  Like I said, there are areas that wrestling will always dominate, I'm simply hesitant to put any one particular style at the top of the heap.


265- wrestling base
205- wrestling base
185- muay Thai base (and scared to death of wrestlers, who have made him look bad multiple times)
170- wrestling base
155- wrestling base
145- muay Thai base
135- wrestling base
125- wrestling base

It's pretty damn easy to put certain style(s) on top, actually.
 
2013-03-05 03:56:03 PM  
Apparently when you get to a certain height, you don't think guys can reach you, so you don't keep your hands up.  Tim Sylvia has the same habit.
 
2013-03-05 05:59:56 PM  
the biggest redneck here:

265- wrestling base
205- wrestling base
185- muay Thai base (and scared to death of wrestlers, who have made him look bad multiple times)
170- wrestling basekarate base
155- wrestling base
145- muay Thai base
135- wrestling base
125- wrestling base
Womens-judo base

It's pretty damn easy to put certain style(s) on top, actually.
 
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