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(NBC News)   Boehner: "Obama doesn't have a budget". Press: "It's on his website." Boehner: "Well if it was a real plan why doesn't the Senate pass it?" Press: *crickets*. What Press should have said: "The Senate voted on it last week; the GOP filibustered it"   (nbcnews.com ) divider line
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2013-03-04 12:11:39 PM  

Ishidan: Elandriel: I just wish Obama would hold a prime time news conference and pre-empt programs and thoroughly abuse his bully pulpit

Obama's a dictator!  Freedom of speech!  'Merica!

There, I've just summarized the Republican response.


You forgot "I was gunna watch mah WRASSLIN last night, but Obombo done cancelled it to lie his face off"
 
2013-03-04 12:16:37 PM  
Democrats: "1 + 1 = 2"

Republicans: "1 + 1 = 3"

Press: "1 + 1 = 2.5"
 
2013-03-04 12:19:39 PM  

Mentat: They don't even need to do that.  They could eliminate the anonymous hold (if you want to filibuster, put your name on it) and introduce a tiered filibuster (2/3 for week 1, 3/5 for week 2, simple majority for every week after).  That would preserve minority rights while ensuring that the minority cannot lock up legislation forever.


WOW - this is rational and useful.
So it will never happen.
 
2013-03-04 12:23:15 PM  

The Muthaship: A Democrat budget?  Really?  I thought we quit doing those.


$3.8 trillion in outlays.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2013/asse ts /tables.pdf
 
2013-03-04 12:24:42 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Tim Russert would have nailed his ass to the wall.


This
 
2013-03-04 12:27:44 PM  

Doctor Funkenstein: FTFA:
DAVID GREGORY:
So Speaker, what happens now? What do you think the impact of all of this is? The president is saying there will be a ripple effect in the economy. There will be a growth cut. There will be a loss of 750,000 jobs. What's the impact?

SPEAKER JOHN BOEHNER:
Well, then, why hasn't he acted?

Acted to do what?  I really don't get this one at all.  What sorcery do they expect the President to conjure up because Congress didn't do something?


When Boehner says "acted", he means "capitulated".
 
2013-03-04 12:29:39 PM  
ctrl-
Democrats: "1 + 1 = 2"

Republicans: "1 + 1 = 3"

Press: "1 + 1 = 2.5"



You win!!! succinctly explained for everyone who does not willfully misunderstand.
 
2013-03-04 12:30:40 PM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: $3.8 trillion in outlays.


Good.
 
2013-03-04 12:41:53 PM  

Mentat: NeoCortex42: MyKingdomForYourHorse: homelessdude: Real Question: Can Reid bring up that filibuster reform thing again or is that dead in the water? If he could, would it apply to getting the budget passed?

Not enough Blue Dogs to get anything meaningful, at best we might get a rule change that eliminates the gentleman agreement

I think just requiring a filibuster to actually be a person standing up and talking continuously would help a lot.  Instead of Boehner repeatedly going on about how the Senate is doing nothing, there would be hours and hours of footage of the Republicans actively blocking votes.  Just saying "there was a filibuster" doesn't seem to be enough for the media to cover them properly.

They don't even need to do that.  They could eliminate the anonymous hold (if you want to filibuster, put your name on it) and introduce a tiered filibuster (2/3 for week 1, 3/5 for week 2, simple majority for every week after).  That would preserve minority rights while ensuring that the minority cannot lock up legislation forever.



Eliminating the hold would have been the easiest option.  It does nothing to halt the process and gives the full defense option to the minority, but you would have to actually make a stand on an issue and put your name on it.  It would create accountability in Congress...So it will never happen.
 
2013-03-04 12:42:40 PM  

DamnYankees: NeoCortex42: DamnYankees: cameroncrazy1984: Tim Russert would have nailed his ass to the wall.

No he wouldn't have. He was just as bad.

Soledad would have called him on it.

She's ok.


OK?  She's.... Perfect.  Don't dare say otherwise.
www.topnews.in
 
2013-03-04 12:42:57 PM  
subby wrote:  "The Senate voted on it last week"

What was the vote tally?  Who voted for it?  What did they actually vote on?
  I couldn't find.it.  Thanks.
 
2013-03-04 12:45:30 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: subby wrote:  "The Senate voted on it last week"

What was the vote tally?  Who voted for it?  What did they actually vote on?
  I couldn't find.it.  Thanks.


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57571925/senate-blocks-sequester -r eplacement-plans/

51-49. Didn't break filibuster.
 
2013-03-04 12:49:07 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: subby wrote:  "The Senate voted on it last week"

What was the vote tally?  Who voted for it?  What did they actually vote on?
  I couldn't find.it.  Thanks.


I believe because it was killed by filibuster, but google can help you on that

btw, how's the Republican's attempt to violate the constitution by giving Obama the power of the purse? Oh, right, it was defeated because it was a stupid idea
 
2013-03-04 12:50:08 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: Democrats: "1 + 1 = 2"

Republicans: "1 + 1 = 3"

Press: "1 + 1 = 2.5"


Awesome.
 
2013-03-04 12:50:14 PM  

DamnYankees: tenpoundsofcheese: subby wrote:  "The Senate voted on it last week"

What was the vote tally?  Who voted for it?  What did they actually vote on?
  I couldn't find.it.  Thanks.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57571925/senate-blocks-sequester -r eplacement-plans/

51-49. Didn't break filibuster.


it's fun to smack 10lbsofderp down to earth, isn't it?
 
2013-03-04 12:50:35 PM  

DamnYankees: tenpoundsofcheese: subby wrote:  "The Senate voted on it last week"

What was the vote tally?  Who voted for it?  What did they actually vote on?
  I couldn't find.it.  Thanks.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57571925/senate-blocks-sequester -r eplacement-plans/

51-49. Didn't break filibuster.


thanks.
I didn't see in the congressional vote database.

Makes sense it would fail since 0bama said he would veto these types of bills.

sad that Reid and Landrieu would vote against it.  Those crazy DINOs
 
2013-03-04 12:55:35 PM  

somedude210: tenpoundsofcheese: subby wrote:  "The Senate voted on it last week"

What was the vote tally?  Who voted for it?  What did they actually vote on?
  I couldn't find.it.  Thanks.

I believe because it was killed by filibuster, but google can help you on that

btw, how's the Republican's attempt to violate the constitution by giving Obama the power of the purse? Oh, right, it was defeated because it was a stupid idea


Does the constitution does say that the House will determine how every dime of the budget is spent?
Do the various budget recipients get a detailed budget that provides them no discretion in how the budget is spent?
They are not allowed to delegate any discretion at all?

Citation?
 
2013-03-04 12:56:21 PM  

somedude210: DamnYankees: tenpoundsofcheese: subby wrote:  "The Senate voted on it last week"

What was the vote tally?  Who voted for it?  What did they actually vote on?
  I couldn't find.it.  Thanks.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57571925/senate-blocks-sequester -r eplacement-plans/

51-49. Didn't break filibuster.

it's fun to smack 10lbsofderp down to earth, isn't it?


Ya, if you think shooting fish in a barrel is fun.
 
2013-03-04 12:57:45 PM  

somedude210: DamnYankees: tenpoundsofcheese: subby wrote:  "The Senate voted on it last week"

What was the vote tally?  Who voted for it?  What did they actually vote on?
  I couldn't find.it.  Thanks.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57571925/senate-blocks-sequester -r eplacement-plans/

51-49. Didn't break filibuster
.

So that filibuster was totally unbreakable, huh?

it's fun to smack 10lbsofderp down to earth, isn't it?
Huh, I asked a question and someone provided a link.  I never said it didn't happen.  But continue with your fantasies.
 
2013-03-04 12:58:22 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: DamnYankees: tenpoundsofcheese: subby wrote:  "The Senate voted on it last week"

What was the vote tally?  Who voted for it?  What did they actually vote on?
  I couldn't find.it.  Thanks.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57571925/senate-blocks-sequester -r eplacement-plans/

51-49. Didn't break filibuster.

thanks.
I didn't see in the congressional vote database.

Makes sense it would fail since 0bama said he would veto these types of bills.

sad that Reid and Landrieu would vote against it.  Those crazy DINOs


Maybe if you had read one more sentence, or refrained from commenting on things you didn't understand... well, allow me:

FTFA: (Reid voted against the bill for procedural reasons -- now, he may call the motion for another vote on the bill.)
 
2013-03-04 12:59:21 PM  

VictoryCabal: tenpoundsofcheese: DamnYankees: tenpoundsofcheese: subby wrote:  "The Senate voted on it last week"

What was the vote tally?  Who voted for it?  What did they actually vote on?
  I couldn't find.it.  Thanks.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57571925/senate-blocks-sequester -r eplacement-plans/

51-49. Didn't break filibuster.

thanks.
I didn't see in the congressional vote database.

Makes sense it would fail since 0bama said he would veto these types of bills.

sad that Reid and Landrieu would vote against it.  Those crazy DINOs

Maybe if you had read one more sentence, or refrained from commenting on things you didn't understand... well, allow me:

FTFA: (Reid voted against the bill for procedural reasons -- now, he may call the motion for another vote on the bill.)


sure.  and that is what you actually believe.
Okay.
 
2013-03-04 01:00:19 PM  
Since I almost never watch Meet the Press, I keep confusing Dave Gregory with Dick Gregory; who, of course, would probably make a much better host.
 
2013-03-04 01:00:50 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: somedude210: tenpoundsofcheese: subby wrote:  "The Senate voted on it last week"

What was the vote tally?  Who voted for it?  What did they actually vote on?
  I couldn't find.it.  Thanks.

I believe because it was killed by filibuster, but google can help you on that

btw, how's the Republican's attempt to violate the constitution by giving Obama the power of the purse? Oh, right, it was defeated because it was a stupid idea

Does the constitution does say that the House will determine how every dime of the budget is spent?
Do the various budget recipients get a detailed budget that provides them no discretion in how the budget is spent?
They are not allowed to delegate any discretion at all?

Citation?


One other thing.
What is unconstitutional about the House telling 0bama to say where he wants the cuts and then having the House pass a bill with those cuts?
Citation?
 
2013-03-04 01:02:46 PM  

MyKingdomForYourHorse: I didn't have to click the link to know that this was a giant David Gregory fail.

What a good way to fark up a show, put David Gregory on it.


i have no idea who thought giving him "meet the press" was a good idea but you'd think that by now the network would have realized what a mistake they made.
 
2013-03-04 01:03:11 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: sure.  and that is what you actually believe.
Okay.


ow, i have whiplash.
 
2013-03-04 01:07:01 PM  

DamnYankees: cameroncrazy1984: Tim Russert would have nailed his ass to the wall.

No he wouldn't have. He was just as bad.


i see this but it sure doesn't match my memory of the show.

and no one, no one is as mealy mouthed as gregory.
 
2013-03-04 01:07:53 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: sure. and that is what you actually believe.
Okay.


Yes, I do believe that, because voting no on a bill you like in the face of filibuster that's likely to hold is actually quite common in the Senate.  This isn't something new.
 
2013-03-04 01:09:39 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Does the constitution does say that the House will determine how every dime of the budget is spent?
Do the various budget recipients get a detailed budget that provides them no discretion in how the budget is spent?
They are not allowed to delegate any discretion at all?

Citation?


the point of the senate and WH when it comes to appropriations is to provide recommendations on how the money is dolled out to which organizations, etc. They cannot originate appropriation bills, as only the House has the power of the purse. But it's the House that signs off on the appropriations and it then goes to the Senate and WH (assuming it passes both House and Senate)

What makes the McConnell bill a bit of a constitutional grey-area is that it forgoes the House's final say as to where funding goes and gives the WH the power to appropriate funding where he sees fit. That is the issue I have with the McConnell plan, and a few republicans had that similar concern, as the Senate Republicans couldn't come to a consensus as to how to vote and some wanted an actual budget instead of the cop-out.

That said, the Senate Democrats and WH have put forth a workable solution that takes cuts to SS and Medicaid (neither of which are touched by sequester) and raises revenue by closing loopholes. It's not a liberal's wet dream by any stretch of the imagination but it should've gotten passed the goddamn senate, since republicans get the social safety net cuts and democrats get revenue increases
 
2013-03-04 01:09:59 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: What is unconstitutional about the House telling 0bama to say where he wants the cuts and then having the House pass a bill with those cuts?


That's not unconstitutional but it is cowardly.

Obama wants revenues, he's named them. Boehner won't name any cuts he wants. Leadership.
 
2013-03-04 01:11:28 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: DamnYankees: tenpoundsofcheese: subby wrote:  "The Senate voted on it last week"

What was the vote tally?  Who voted for it?  What did they actually vote on?
  I couldn't find.it.  Thanks.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57571925/senate-blocks-sequester -r eplacement-plans/

51-49. Didn't break filibuster.

thanks.
I didn't see in the congressional vote database.

Makes sense it would fail since 0bama said he would veto these types of bills.

sad that Reid and Landrieu would vote against it.  Those crazy DINOs



I have a feeling you didn't find it because you didn't look:  http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_ c fm.cfm?congress=113&session=1&vote=00027

I read in a separate article that Reid actually  changed his vote to maintain the right to bring it back up, but that's not in the full congressional record.
 
2013-03-04 01:16:04 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: tenpoundsofcheese: somedude210: tenpoundsofcheese: subby wrote:  "The Senate voted on it last week"

What was the vote tally?  Who voted for it?  What did they actually vote on?
  I couldn't find.it.  Thanks.

I believe because it was killed by filibuster, but google can help you on that

btw, how's the Republican's attempt to violate the constitution by giving Obama the power of the purse? Oh, right, it was defeated because it was a stupid idea

Does the constitution does say that the House will determine how every dime of the budget is spent?
Do the various budget recipients get a detailed budget that provides them no discretion in how the budget is spent?
They are not allowed to delegate any discretion at all?

Citation?

One other thing.
What is unconstitutional about the House telling 0bama to say where he wants the cuts and then having the House pass a bill with those cuts?
Citation?


http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/sequester/the-presidents-plan

Hey look, it's the President's plan.  Now, the House has something they can bring to the table to discuss?

Oh, the President's plan has cuts so the House can't even look at it? Can't even take the parts they like and at least  do something moderately productive?

I really wish I could just write you off as a troll, but you move the goalposts like all my actual "conservative" friends, so I almost think you're human. Did you cry during The Land Before Time?
 
2013-03-04 01:17:16 PM  
Maybe the seneate should take a test before they vote on something.. at least have a 70% understanding of what you are doing, shouldnt be that hard right?
 
2013-03-04 01:18:39 PM  

Where wolf: tenpoundsofcheese: DamnYankees: tenpoundsofcheese: subby wrote:  "The Senate voted on it last week"

What was the vote tally?  Who voted for it?  What did they actually vote on?
  I couldn't find.it.  Thanks.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57571925/senate-blocks-sequester -r eplacement-plans/

51-49. Didn't break filibuster.

thanks.
I didn't see in the congressional vote database.

Makes sense it would fail since 0bama said he would veto these types of bills.

sad that Reid and Landrieu would vote against it.  Those crazy DINOs


I have a feeling you didn't find it because you didn't look:  http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_ c fm.cfm?congress=113&session=1&vote=00027

I read in a separate article that Reid actually  changed his vote to maintain the right to bring it back up, but that's not in the full congressional record.



And Landrieu voted against it because proposed cuts to agriculture were going to be too steep.
 
2013-03-04 01:18:54 PM  

Doctor Funkenstein: FTFA:
DAVID GREGORY:
So Speaker, what happens now? What do you think the impact of all of this is? The president is saying there will be a ripple effect in the economy. There will be a growth cut. There will be a loss of 750,000 jobs. What's the impact?

SPEAKER JOHN BOEHNER:
Well, then, why hasn't he acted?

Acted to do what?  I really don't get this one at all.  What sorcery do they expect the President to conjure up because Congress didn't do something?


Sometimes I wonder if it's a deliberate plot to inculcate the idea that in an "emergency", the President can literally do anything he wants.
 
2013-03-04 01:30:10 PM  

MyKingdomForYourHorse: There were quite a lot of us who didn't have our head screwed on straight after 9/11


right after, sure. by the time we went into Iraq? a whole lot less. to this day i'm amazed/surprised sad as hell that we got conned into that mess. i doubt i ever will understand how that happened. factually maybe, emotionally never.

and please don't tell me the folks that went along were well intentioned. well intentioned is an excuse for lazy. our congress people, our leaders in the media and folks in general shouldn't be lazy.
 
2013-03-04 01:41:34 PM  

DamnYankees: Elandriel: I just wish Obama would hold a prime time news conference and pre-empt programs and thoroughly abuse his bully pulpit to very clearly lay out exactly why and how this problem exists.  It needs to be said, it needs to be said when people are watching and it needs to be said directly, confrontationally and in a manner that can't be instantly spun.  He needs to respond to incredulous bullshiat like "Senate Democrats haven't acted" by saying all of their legislation was blocked by Senate Republicans.  But somehow this gets lost in the transfer and comes out as "We're totes trying you guys".

No wonder the GOP always wins the war on messaging.

Obama is winning the war on messaging. Pretty easily. He's way more popular than the GOP, and voters greatly prefer his method for handling the budget to the GOP's. It doesn't matter; the GOP just re-won the House. They have no reason to compromise unless they lose elections, which is extremely unlikely given the composition of House districts.


To be fair, we're fast approaching the point where CancerAids is more popular than the GOP.
 
2013-03-04 01:46:46 PM  

DamnYankees: So close, Gregory. But epic fail.


This is why Maddow needs to host MTP. Gregory is inept at best
 
2013-03-04 01:48:47 PM  

tbhouston: Maybe the seneate should take a test before they vote on something.. at least have a 70% understanding of what you are doing, shouldnt be that hard right?


back up 2 steps
before they are allowed to run for office, they must show basic understanding in:
math: addition and subtraction would be a start, fractions and percents ...
civics: minimal understanding of the 3 branches of government
science: I dont know, freezing point of water and where babies come from

we would be so much better off ....
/voters should have to pass these tests too ... but that is for another day
 
2013-03-04 01:51:21 PM  

Hobodeluxe: DamnYankees: So close, Gregory. But epic fail.

This is why Maddow needs to host MTP. Gregory is inept at best


Eh, I understand why Maddow wouldn't - and probably shouldn't - have that job. She's openly, blatantly, admittedly liberal and a pretty clear advocate for liberals. While I obviously like that, it doesn't seem that appropriate for MTP.
 
2013-03-04 01:52:22 PM  

namatad: tbhouston: Maybe the seneate should take a test before they vote on something.. at least have a 70% understanding of what you are doing, shouldnt be that hard right?

back up 2 steps
before they are allowed to run for office, they must show basic understanding in:
math: addition and subtraction would be a start, fractions and percents ...
civics: minimal understanding of the 3 branches of government
science: I dont know, freezing point of water and where babies come from

we would be so much better off ....
/voters should have to pass these tests too ... but that is for another day


Who comes up with these tests, and who administers them?
 
2013-03-04 01:56:56 PM  

Curious: MyKingdomForYourHorse: I didn't have to click the link to know that this was a giant David Gregory fail.

What a good way to fark up a show, put David Gregory on it.

i have no idea who thought giving him "meet the press" was a good idea but you'd think that by now the network would have realized what a mistake they made.


Well because he did such a bang up job during the elections....

...ok I couldn't even type that with a straight face

WaitWhatWhy: To be fair, we're fast approaching the point where CancerAids is more popular than the GOP.


To quote my father in law (registered lifetime Republican) on voting for Mitt this past election
"I'd rather get kicked in the balls"
 
2013-03-04 02:15:24 PM  
Is there anyway Taibbi could get into some of these Q and A sessions
 
2013-03-04 02:25:51 PM  

qorkfiend: namatad: tbhouston: Maybe the seneate should take a test before they vote on something.. at least have a 70% understanding of what you are doing, shouldnt be that hard right?

back up 2 steps
before they are allowed to run for office, they must show basic understanding in:
math: addition and subtraction would be a start, fractions and percents ...
civics: minimal understanding of the 3 branches of government
science: I dont know, freezing point of water and where babies come from

we would be so much better off ....
/voters should have to pass these tests too ... but that is for another day

Who comes up with these tests, and who administers them?


grade school teachers, 2 from each state.
anything that is taught in a normal grade school is fair game
figure the candidates need to get 90% or better to get on the ballot
voters need to get 70% or better ...
 
2013-03-04 02:27:57 PM  

namatad: qorkfiend: namatad: tbhouston: Maybe the seneate should take a test before they vote on something.. at least have a 70% understanding of what you are doing, shouldnt be that hard right?

back up 2 steps
before they are allowed to run for office, they must show basic understanding in:
math: addition and subtraction would be a start, fractions and percents ...
civics: minimal understanding of the 3 branches of government
science: I dont know, freezing point of water and where babies come from

we would be so much better off ....
/voters should have to pass these tests too ... but that is for another day

Who comes up with these tests, and who administers them?

grade school teachers, 2 from each state.
anything that is taught in a normal grade school is fair game
figure the candidates need to get 90% or better to get on the ballot
voters need to get 70% or better ...


Who selects the teachers, and by what mechanism? Who decides what falls under "normal grade school"?
 
2013-03-04 02:34:44 PM  

qorkfiend: Who selects the teachers, and by what mechanism? Who decides what falls under "normal grade school"?


science
normal is already defined ... it is the norm ... not the gifted kid program, not the special ed kids ... the norm

teachers? who cares, if you get 100 teachers together and have them ask 1 question each, the test will about as fair and balanced as you could ever get.
on
MATH
CIVICS
SCIENCE

hell, we could even make it an open book test for the voters ... LOLOLOL

unless you are ok with the mouth breathing morans who are currently in congress??
/I heard that there are ZERO pregnancies from rape. cause the vagina stops working when raped. forcibly
 
2013-03-04 02:51:46 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: Democrats: "1 + 1 = 2"

Republicans: "1 + 1 = 3"

Press: "1 + 1 = 2.5"


Closer to:

Democrats: "1+1= 2.1"

Republicans: "1+1= potato"

Media: "1+1= 2.1GATE!!!!!"
 
2013-03-04 08:21:02 PM  

hiker9999: Ishidan: Elandriel: I just wish Obama would hold a prime time news conference and pre-empt programs and thoroughly abuse his bully pulpit

Obama's a dictator!  Freedom of speech!  'Merica!

There, I've just summarized the Republican response.

You forgot "I was gunna watch mah WRASSLIN last night, but Obombo done cancelled it to lie his face off"


I also forgot "Impeachment offense!"
 
2013-03-04 10:29:45 PM  

Coolfusis: Ctrl-Alt-Del: Democrats: "1 + 1 = 2"

Republicans: "1 + 1 = 3"

Press: "1 + 1 = 2.5"

Closer to:

Democrats: "1+1= 2.1"

Republicans: "1+1= potato"

Media: "1+1= 2.1GATE!!!!!"


That may be a bit extreme.

Perhaps more like:

Dems: "1+1 = 2"

Repulicans: "1+1 absolutely does not equal 2", furthermore, we refuse to support any plans for summing positive integers to 2 that don't have any 7s in them.

Media: "Obama has no plan to reach 2" said speaker Boehner Tuesday.  Meanwhile, unpopular Dem plan fails to reach the 60 votes required to pass the senate, getting only 59 votes which is clearly not enough.
 
2013-03-04 11:01:50 PM  
I'm beginning to think S.E. Cupp would do a better job than Dick Gregory.
 
2013-03-05 01:41:20 AM  
Is there a Republican left that is a an un-American traitor?  Apparently, all Republicans want the US to fail.  Figures.
 
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