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(NBC News)   Boehner: "Obama doesn't have a budget". Press: "It's on his website." Boehner: "Well if it was a real plan why doesn't the Senate pass it?" Press: *crickets*. What Press should have said: "The Senate voted on it last week; the GOP filibustered it"   (nbcnews.com) divider line 101
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2013-03-04 10:39:56 AM
So close, Gregory. But epic fail.
 
2013-03-04 10:58:46 AM
I'm pretty much convinced that very few of those who are in the position to make decisions actually understand the entirety of this thing.
 
2013-03-04 11:02:05 AM
I just wish Obama would hold a prime time news conference and pre-empt programs and thoroughly abuse his bully pulpit to very clearly lay out exactly why and how this problem exists.  It needs to be said, it needs to be said when people are watching and it needs to be said directly, confrontationally and in a manner that can't be instantly spun.  He needs to respond to incredulous bullshiat like "Senate Democrats haven't acted" by saying all of their legislation was blocked by Senate Republicans.  But somehow this gets lost in the transfer and comes out as "We're totes trying you guys".

No wonder the GOP always wins the war on messaging.
 
2013-03-04 11:04:17 AM

Elandriel: I just wish Obama would hold a prime time news conference and pre-empt programs and thoroughly abuse his bully pulpit to very clearly lay out exactly why and how this problem exists.  It needs to be said, it needs to be said when people are watching and it needs to be said directly, confrontationally and in a manner that can't be instantly spun.  He needs to respond to incredulous bullshiat like "Senate Democrats haven't acted" by saying all of their legislation was blocked by Senate Republicans.  But somehow this gets lost in the transfer and comes out as "We're totes trying you guys".

No wonder the GOP always wins the war on messaging.


Obama is winning the war on messaging. Pretty easily. He's way more popular than the GOP, and voters greatly prefer his method for handling the budget to the GOP's. It doesn't matter; the GOP just re-won the House. They have no reason to compromise unless they lose elections, which is extremely unlikely given the composition of House districts.
 
2013-03-04 11:31:38 AM

Elandriel: I just wish Obama would hold a prime time news conference and pre-empt programs and thoroughly abuse his bully pulpit to very clearly lay out exactly why and how this problem exists.  It needs to be said, it needs to be said when people are watching and it needs to be said directly, confrontationally and in a manner that can't be instantly spun.  He needs to respond to incredulous bullshiat like "Senate Democrats haven't acted" by saying all of their legislation was blocked by Senate Republicans.  But somehow this gets lost in the transfer and comes out as "We're totes trying you guys".

No wonder the GOP always wins the war on messaging.

 
2013-03-04 11:31:40 AM
Damn Liberal media.
 
2013-03-04 11:33:17 AM

make me some tea: I'm pretty much convinced that very few of those who are in the position to make decisions actually understand the entirety of this thing.


You are a kind soul to even allow that as a possibility.  I'm more inclined to believe they all know exactly what they are doing.  The words coming out of their mouths may sound ignorant but their intent is dangerously well served by them.
 
2013-03-04 11:33:32 AM
incompetteence all around
 
2013-03-04 11:33:35 AM

Elandriel: I just wish Obama would hold a prime time news conference and pre-empt programs and thoroughly abuse his bully pulpit to very clearly lay out exactly why and how this problem exists.  It needs to be said, it needs to be said when people are watching and it needs to be said directly, confrontationally and in a manner that can't be instantly spun.  He needs to respond to incredulous bullshiat like "Senate Democrats haven't acted" by saying all of their legislation was blocked by Senate Republicans.  But somehow this gets lost in the transfer and comes out as "We're totes trying you guys".

No wonder the GOP always wins the war on messaging.


lol
on the other hand, the GOP continues to dig the hole deeper ...
that counts for a lot

and at least some of the voters are waking up to this
 
2013-03-04 11:34:32 AM
This is typical.  The GOP begs you to f*cking smash their face in with facts, and you freeze like in a deer in headlights because if you don't, the tinfoil brigade is screaming "liebrul media! liebrul media! Soros!" the entire following week.
 
2013-03-04 11:34:46 AM

Elandriel: I just wish Obama would hold a prime time news conference and pre-empt programs and thoroughly abuse his bully pulpit


Obama's a dictator!  Freedom of speech!  'Merica!

There, I've just summarized the Republican response.
 
2013-03-04 11:36:12 AM
I didn't have to click the link to know that this was a giant David Gregory fail.

What a good way to fark up a show, put David Gregory on it.
 
2013-03-04 11:36:28 AM
FTFA:
DAVID GREGORY:
So Speaker, what happens now? What do you think the impact of all of this is? The president is saying there will be a ripple effect in the economy. There will be a growth cut. There will be a loss of 750,000 jobs. What's the impact?

SPEAKER JOHN BOEHNER:
Well, then, why hasn't he acted?


Acted to do what?  I really don't get this one at all.  What sorcery do they expect the President to conjure up because Congress didn't do something?
 
2013-03-04 11:37:00 AM

Doctor Funkenstein: Acted to do what?  I really don't get this one at all.  What sorcery do they expect the President to conjure up because Congress didn't do something?


He must conjur a Balrog of Morgoth.
 
2013-03-04 11:37:50 AM
Our press exists to just repeat things. They aren't journalists.
 
2013-03-04 11:38:49 AM
Tim Russert would have nailed his ass to the wall.
 
2013-03-04 11:39:52 AM

desolation15: incompetteence all around


Indeed, it's almost as though both sides are bad.
I wonder if there's some kind of conclusion that can be drawn from that.
 
2013-03-04 11:40:26 AM
Did he cry? I'll bet he broke down into tears, what with having to spend more than 10 minutes away from his flask
 
2013-03-04 11:40:37 AM

Doctor Funkenstein: FTFA:
DAVID GREGORY:
So Speaker, what happens now? What do you think the impact of all of this is? The president is saying there will be a ripple effect in the economy. There will be a growth cut. There will be a loss of 750,000 jobs. What's the impact?

SPEAKER JOHN BOEHNER:
Well, then, why hasn't he acted?

Acted to do what?  I really don't get this one at all.  What sorcery do they expect the President to conjure up because Congress didn't do something?


gregory: Well, what about bringing some of those PESKY bills from the senate to the floor of the house for a vote? You know all those bills you keep claiming dont exist?
 
2013-03-04 11:41:16 AM
Real Question: Can Reid bring up that filibuster reform thing again or is that dead in the water? If he could, would it apply to getting the budget passed?
 
2013-03-04 11:42:03 AM

DamnYankees: Obama is winning the war on messaging. Pretty easily. He's way more popular than the GOP, and voters greatly prefer his method for handling the budget to the GOP's. It doesn't matter; the GOP just re-won the House. They have no reason to compromise unless they lose elections, which is extremely unlikely given the composition of House districts.


The GOP is polling poorly at the outset of the sequester.  They will hammer home lie after lie after lie after lie and never relent, never shift, never budge and abuse their position and the media's fixation on equal blame and they will win this war on messaging.  I've seen it too many times.  The Democrats are not interested in getting down and fighting back when this happens.  They assume people are paying attention to the facts but they aren't.  They are paying attention to stupid farking soundbites, and Boehner on Meet the Press, and whatever nonsense.

Obama won the election because the GOP put up a monumentally stupid candidate to placate monumentally stupid voters.  They have a stupid cast, they have a stupid supporting structure, but they have a blithely incompetent media that they can use to make sure that no matter how much they fark every single thing up, that they will only receive 50% of the blame, even when they get 98% of what they want.
 
2013-03-04 11:42:37 AM

make me some tea: I'm pretty much convinced that very few of those who are in the position to make decisions actually understand the entirety of this thing.


Given the Tea Party thinks that the tax cut extension for 100% of working Americans (we let the upper two brackets reset to pre-Bush levels for that small subset of earners that fall in those brackets, but 100% of working Americans had the lower four brackets extended) was also 100% tax increases, despite that 2/3 of the bill was spending cuts, well, you know, you just might be right.
 
2013-03-04 11:43:16 AM

homelessdude: Real Question: Can Reid bring up that filibuster reform thing again or is that dead in the water? If he could, would it apply to getting the budget passed?


Probably, the so called "nuclear option," but it doesn't change the fact all appropriation bills must start in the House and Boehner is sitting on his hands.
 
2013-03-04 11:43:19 AM
De-fund the war on drugs right now and no cuts need to be done that are now happening.

/farking assholes are now in Guatemala(or somewhere in South America to fark it up again) ramping up the war on drugs.
farking assholes.
farking assholes.
farking assholes.
farking assholes.
farking assholes.
 
2013-03-04 11:43:51 AM

homelessdude: Real Question: Can Reid bring up that filibuster reform thing again or is that dead in the water? If he could, would it apply to getting the budget passed?


Rules had to be set at the beginning of the session. He balked, so we have another 2 years of this bullshiat before it can be brought up again.
 
2013-03-04 11:45:19 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Tim Russert would have nailed his ass to the wall.


No he wouldn't have. He was just as bad.
 
2013-03-04 11:45:27 AM

DarnoKonrad: homelessdude: Real Question: Can Reid bring up that filibuster reform thing again or is that dead in the water? If he could, would it apply to getting the budget passed?

Probably, the so called "nuclear option," but it doesn't change the fact all appropriation bills must start in the House and Boehner is sitting on his hands.


Well, that Obamacare repeal bill dealt with appropriations, didn't it?

It wouldn't be the first time the Senate gutted one bill and replaced its text with their budget proposal.
 
2013-03-04 11:46:23 AM
A Democrat budget?  Really?  I thought we quit doing those.
 
2013-03-04 11:46:24 AM
Why is it the job of the Press to inform the Speaker of the House what's going on in Congress?
 
2013-03-04 11:46:35 AM

DamnYankees: cameroncrazy1984: Tim Russert would have nailed his ass to the wall.

No he wouldn't have. He was just as bad.


Soledad would have called him on it.
 
2013-03-04 11:47:28 AM

NeoCortex42: DamnYankees: cameroncrazy1984: Tim Russert would have nailed his ass to the wall.

No he wouldn't have. He was just as bad.

Soledad would have called him on it.


She's ok.
 
2013-03-04 11:48:15 AM

homelessdude: Real Question: Can Reid bring up that filibuster reform thing again or is that dead in the water? If he could, would it apply to getting the budget passed?


He can in two years.  The rules of each chamber are decided at the beginning of that Congress.  I doubt they can be changed.  Reid, for whatever god forsaken reason, balked at changing it in any meaningful way and we have the status quo for at least two years.
 
2013-03-04 11:48:47 AM

homelessdude: Real Question: Can Reid bring up that filibuster reform thing again or is that dead in the water? If he could, would it apply to getting the budget passed?


Not enough Blue Dogs to get anything meaningful, at best we might get a rule change that eliminates the gentleman agreement
 
Bf+
2013-03-04 11:48:58 AM
What "not a journalist" looks like:
media.salon.com
 
2013-03-04 11:49:19 AM

Where wolf: homelessdude: Real Question: Can Reid bring up that filibuster reform thing again or is that dead in the water? If he could, would it apply to getting the budget passed?

He can in two years.  The rules of each chamber are decided at the beginning of that Congress.  I doubt they can be changed.  Reid, for whatever god forsaken reason, balked at changing it in any meaningful way and we have the status quo for at least two years.


They can be changed mid-session, but any change has to be based on the rules adopted at the outset of the session. So any attempt to change filibuster reform now would...be filibustered.
 
2013-03-04 11:51:04 AM

NeoCortex42: DamnYankees: cameroncrazy1984: Tim Russert would have nailed his ass to the wall.

No he wouldn't have. He was just as bad.

Soledad would have called him on it.


As would Maddow, which why they don't host high profile shows.  There's only one thing to keep in mind when it comes to commercial media.  They do not want to offend their largest demographic  which their advertising depends on.


Gregory is white bread for a reason.
 
2013-03-04 11:51:34 AM

DamnYankees: cameroncrazy1984: Tim Russert would have nailed his ass to the wall.

No he wouldn't have. He was just as bad.


I disagree, Tim had his corporate apologist moments but never anything that blatant.
 
2013-03-04 11:52:07 AM

MyKingdomForYourHorse: homelessdude: Real Question: Can Reid bring up that filibuster reform thing again or is that dead in the water? If he could, would it apply to getting the budget passed?

Not enough Blue Dogs to get anything meaningful, at best we might get a rule change that eliminates the gentleman agreement


I think just requiring a filibuster to actually be a person standing up and talking continuously would help a lot.  Instead of Boehner repeatedly going on about how the Senate is doing nothing, there would be hours and hours of footage of the Republicans actively blocking votes.  Just saying "there was a filibuster" doesn't seem to be enough for the media to cover them properly.
 
2013-03-04 11:52:18 AM

homelessdude: Real Question: Can Reid bring up that filibuster reform thing again or is that dead in the water? If he could, would it apply to getting the budget passed?


I believe that filibustering does not apply to the budget process according to their rules.

However, the filibuster cannot be used to block a budget resolution. That's because the Budget Act sets out a specific amount of time for debate in the Senate -- 50 hours. If a specific amount of debate time is enshrined in the controlling statute, the filibuster is moot. So a simple majority -- not 60 votes -- is all that's required to pass a budget resolution.http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/f eb/13/jack-le w/white-house-chief-staff-jack-lew-says-budget-requi/
 
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2013-03-04 11:53:06 AM

DamnYankees: So close, Gregory. But epic fail.


old man Russert would have skewered the Speaker.
 
2013-03-04 11:53:17 AM

MyKingdomForYourHorse: DamnYankees: cameroncrazy1984: Tim Russert would have nailed his ass to the wall.

No he wouldn't have. He was just as bad.

I disagree, Tim had his corporate apologist moments but never anything that blatant.


He let people lie and lie and lie and lie on his show to sell war (not to mention all the other crap from his tenure). I don't know why anyone would think he was better at anything.
 
2013-03-04 11:54:57 AM

Doctor Funkenstein: FTFA:
DAVID GREGORY:
So Speaker, what happens now? What do you think the impact of all of this is? The president is saying there will be a ripple effect in the economy. There will be a growth cut. There will be a loss of 750,000 jobs. What's the impact?

SPEAKER JOHN BOEHNER:
Well, then, why hasn't he acted?

Acted to do what?  I really don't get this one at all.  What sorcery do they expect the President to conjure up because Congress didn't do something?


he failed to be a leader

/am I doing it right Teahadists?
 
2013-03-04 11:55:18 AM
David Gregory is a toolbox. Not news.
 
2013-03-04 11:55:30 AM

DamnYankees: He let people lie and lie and lie and lie on his show to sell war (not to mention all the other crap from his tenure). I don't know why anyone would think he was better at anything.


To be fair, there was a TON of people lying us into war. People normally not known for doing those types of things.

There were quite a lot of us who didn't have our head screwed on straight after 9/11

NeoCortex42: I think just requiring a filibuster to actually be a person standing up and talking continuously would help a lot. Instead of Boehner repeatedly going on about how the Senate is doing nothing, there would be hours and hours of footage of the Republicans actively blocking votes. Just saying "there was a filibuster" doesn't seem to be enough for the media to cover them properly.


I don't think it would matter. Your talking about the same guy who said that the House already passed bills quietly forgetting that we have a constitution and every two years is a new congress.
 
2013-03-04 11:56:48 AM

MyKingdomForYourHorse: DamnYankees: He let people lie and lie and lie and lie on his show to sell war (not to mention all the other crap from his tenure). I don't know why anyone would think he was better at anything.

To be fair, there was a TON of people lying us into war. People normally not known for doing those types of things.

There were quite a lot of us who didn't have our head screwed on straight after 9/11

NeoCortex42: I think just requiring a filibuster to actually be a person standing up and talking continuously would help a lot. Instead of Boehner repeatedly going on about how the Senate is doing nothing, there would be hours and hours of footage of the Republicans actively blocking votes. Just saying "there was a filibuster" doesn't seem to be enough for the media to cover them properly.

I don't think it would matter. Your talking about the same guy who said that the House already passed bills quietly forgetting that we have a constitution and every two years is a new congress.


I don't disagree. I was one of them (granted I was only a teenager). But that's his job. Not yours, not mine. His. He wanted that job.
 
2013-03-04 11:57:05 AM

Elandriel: I just wish Obama would hold a prime time news conference and pre-empt programs and thoroughly abuse his bully pulpit to very clearly lay out exactly why and how this problem exists.


I'm pretty sure most non GOP shills know where it blames...

According to TPM's poll aggregator ...

Obama's net favorability +7.5%
Obama strong leader +10%
Congressional net approval -62%
Congressional Republican net approval -50%
Democratic Party Net Favorability  +2.3%
GOP Net Favorability -19%
 
2013-03-04 12:03:19 PM

Doctor Funkenstein: Acted to do what? I really don't get this one at all. What sorcery do they expect the President to conjure up because Congress didn't do something?


they want him to fulfill their fantasies of him being a dictator so they can shout "SEEE!!!! WE WERE RIGHT!!!"
 
2013-03-04 12:04:48 PM

NeoCortex42: MyKingdomForYourHorse: homelessdude: Real Question: Can Reid bring up that filibuster reform thing again or is that dead in the water? If he could, would it apply to getting the budget passed?

Not enough Blue Dogs to get anything meaningful, at best we might get a rule change that eliminates the gentleman agreement

I think just requiring a filibuster to actually be a person standing up and talking continuously would help a lot.  Instead of Boehner repeatedly going on about how the Senate is doing nothing, there would be hours and hours of footage of the Republicans actively blocking votes.  Just saying "there was a filibuster" doesn't seem to be enough for the media to cover them properly.


They don't even need to do that.  They could eliminate the anonymous hold (if you want to filibuster, put your name on it) and introduce a tiered filibuster (2/3 for week 1, 3/5 for week 2, simple majority for every week after).  That would preserve minority rights while ensuring that the minority cannot lock up legislation forever.
 
2013-03-04 12:08:03 PM

Snowflake Tubbybottom: homelessdude: Real Question: Can Reid bring up that filibuster reform thing again or is that dead in the water? If he could, would it apply to getting the budget passed?

I believe that filibustering does not apply to the budget process according to their rules.

However, the filibuster cannot be used to block a budget resolution. That's because the Budget Act sets out a specific amount of time for debate in the Senate -- 50 hours. If a specific amount of debate time is enshrined in the controlling statute, the filibuster is moot. So a simple majority -- not 60 votes -- is all that's required to pass a budget resolution.http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/f eb/13/jack-le w/white-house-chief-staff-jack-lew-says-budget-requi/


Politifact had it very wrong on this, as usual (Politifact is horseshiat, was horseshiat, and always will be horseshiat, regardless of the issue or party or politician being discussed). The Senate cannot proceed on any matters related to the budget resolution without either the House concurring (with no changes) or a deeming resolution declaring that the resolution has been passed for the purposes of Senate procedure. On top of that, an appropriations bill that is not the yearly budget resolution apparently can be filibustered. It's a mess, which is why many progressives have been demanding an end to the filibuster even if it means that a later Republican Senate can get away with murder later.
 
2013-03-04 12:11:11 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Tim Russert would have nailed his ass to the wall.


Bullshiat. Timmy pitched more softballs than Eve Gaw.

desolation15: incompetteence all around


I'll say.
 
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