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2013-03-04 02:32:55 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: stlbluez: My brother has been working at that brewery for over 30 years.
Hes told me numerious times about the cost-cutting, the weirdness...
Their beloved Mich Ultra.. Bud Selects, etc... are watered down EXACTLY as the lawsuit describes.  water + extra carbonation = fewer calories... and inexplicably more expensive.

They use about half the beechwood they used to in their 'beechwood aging'.. and they age it for half as long.
Often times if a beer has some problems or irregularities.. it's 'changed'.  Bud can become busch.. busch or even bud light can become natty light, etc... with a few additives.

He's hoping this lawsuit sheds some light on the process...  even though the alcohol content motivation doesn't hold water, in his opinon.

I keep trying to tell him... dude.. no one cares.  People know what they're getting. Thats why there's  a 6 of some kind of IPA or unfiltered wheat in my fridge along with the 30pack of busch light :)

stop spewing lies.. it has been proven (even on fark thread recently) that Budweiser are NOT watered down. I'm not saying Bud is the top 5 greatest lager or anything but it is certainly not watered down


STOP NOT READING. Budweiser may very well not be.
Mich ultra... Bud Select.. Bud select 55... are  definitely watered down to achieve the low calorie effect.
 
2013-03-04 02:33:03 PM  
Cascade, Madame Rose, Liefmans Cuvee, Southern Tier Unearthly  IPA. I could go on.

But I won't
 
2013-03-04 02:34:35 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: JackieRabbit: A-B doesn't add water to their beer. I thought everyone knew that they added horse piss.

And it's amazing!

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Sweet lemon aid, OH Sweet Le Mon Aid
 
2013-03-04 02:39:37 PM  
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2013-03-04 02:40:17 PM  

Carn: Firethorn: Carn: They're not watered down like we're thinking, but I have read in my beer magazines that sometimes the big breweries brew concentrated batches then add water after fermentation.

That's not what the lawsuit is alleging though.  It's alleging that the company is shipping beer that's 3-8% less alcohol than specified on the can.

For a 4% beer, that would be 3.88-3.68% alcohol instead.  It'd 'round' to 4%, which might be how InBev(that bought Bush) thinks it can get away with it.

Alright, that's kinda crappy.  I wonder how they do their calculations internally for ABV?  Digital Refractomers and an equation?  When brewing on such a large scale, the tiniest of rounding errors could result in that amount of difference.  However, unless they very recently changed their recipe or methods, there's no reason why they shouldn't be matching whatever recipe, unless their ingredients have changed and they have not adjusted the recipe to make up for it.


The official method is distillation. GC-FID and HPLC work well, too, but I don't think they are included in the standard.
 
2013-03-04 02:42:22 PM  
I used to work for AB as a brewing engineer. Budweiser gets such a light flavor because they use rice in addition to malt. German and european beers don't use rice. Interestingly, though, rice has a few properties that are "superior" from a brewing chemistry point of view, such as available sugar and water content. And yes, they do water it down. They brew to a slightly higher concentration, then bring the alcohol and carbonation and protein levels to spec levels in the finishing process. I assume any large scale brewer does this. And when they blow it, if it's only a little blown, it becomes busch, natty, etc. Busch and Natty and the like are made with corn and malt, but also have a wider spec tolerance.

I don't really get the Budweiser hate. It's a simple beer. It isn't Bells or Lagunitas or Dogfish Head. But it does the job and it's cheaper. However since their acquisition by Inbev, an obnoxious company, I have switched my gets-the-job-done beer to yuengling. Poor St Louis.
 
2013-03-04 02:42:47 PM  

spidermilk: /I would rather buy 6 good tasting beers than 24 not good tasting beers, but I am a lightweight midget who drinks like 2 beers a week.


Psh! 40s is where it is at if that is the case.

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2013-03-04 02:52:16 PM  

stlbluez: SuperNinjaToad: stlbluez: My brother has been working at that brewery for over 30 years.
Hes told me numerious times about the cost-cutting, the weirdness...
Their beloved Mich Ultra.. Bud Selects, etc... are watered down EXACTLY as the lawsuit describes.  water + extra carbonation = fewer calories... and inexplicably more expensive.

They use about half the beechwood they used to in their 'beechwood aging'.. and they age it for half as long.
Often times if a beer has some problems or irregularities.. it's 'changed'.  Bud can become busch.. busch or even bud light can become natty light, etc... with a few additives.

He's hoping this lawsuit sheds some light on the process...  even though the alcohol content motivation doesn't hold water, in his opinon.

I keep trying to tell him... dude.. no one cares.  People know what they're getting. Thats why there's  a 6 of some kind of IPA or unfiltered wheat in my fridge along with the 30pack of busch light :)

stop spewing lies.. it has been proven (even on fark thread recently) that Budweiser are NOT watered down. I'm not saying Bud is the top 5 greatest lager or anything but it is certainly not watered down

STOP NOT READING. Budweiser may very well not be.
Mich ultra... Bud Select.. Bud select 55... are  definitely watered down to achieve the low calorie effect.


Correction:  They are diluted within consistent industry practice and labeled correctly.

Kind of like how "low fat" usually means "high sugar" and "low sugar" just means "sweetened with indigestible sweeteners", they are not "watered down" compared to the label, just compared to other lines of product.
 
2013-03-04 02:52:48 PM  
Quick question... i didn't think beer even had to have a stated alcohol content?  I thought that was just higher-alcohol stuff like wine and liquor.

I haven't had a beer in a very long time, I'm a wine or vodka guy.

If this is true, what does it matter.  If they want to make Budweiser now have 4% rather than 5%... and they don't state anything on the package... how is that misleading?
 
2013-03-04 02:56:32 PM  

stlbluez: SuperNinjaToad: stlbluez: My brother has been working at that brewery for over 30 years.
Hes told me numerious times about the cost-cutting, the weirdness...
Their beloved Mich Ultra.. Bud Selects, etc... are watered down EXACTLY as the lawsuit describes.  water + extra carbonation = fewer calories... and inexplicably more expensive.

They use about half the beechwood they used to in their 'beechwood aging'.. and they age it for half as long.
Often times if a beer has some problems or irregularities.. it's 'changed'.  Bud can become busch.. busch or even bud light can become natty light, etc... with a few additives.

He's hoping this lawsuit sheds some light on the process...  even though the alcohol content motivation doesn't hold water, in his opinon.

I keep trying to tell him... dude.. no one cares.  People know what they're getting. Thats why there's  a 6 of some kind of IPA or unfiltered wheat in my fridge along with the 30pack of busch light :)

stop spewing lies.. it has been proven (even on fark thread recently) that Budweiser are NOT watered down. I'm not saying Bud is the top 5 greatest lager or anything but it is certainly not watered down

STOP NOT READING. Budweiser may very well not be.
Mich ultra... Bud Select.. Bud select 55... are  definitely watered down to achieve the low calorie effect.


Low cal in beer mostly means low alcohol. That's just how it is. It isn't false advertising. Now, they aren't keen on labeling the % alcohol for those ones (did I read 55 is like 2.7%?), but that info is out there. I don't understand why there isn't more labeling in general. I worked at the brewery in 2006 and I thought they were gearing up for food-style labeling then (calories, % alc, sugar, salt, etc) ... musta worked some magic lobbying to stall that.
 
2013-03-04 02:57:51 PM  
I wonder what the Venn diagram for beer snobs and free market adherents would look like? Because those in the intersection need to seriously ponder the question: "If my taste in beer is so great, then why does Budweiser sell more beer in a minute than my favorite company will in a year?"

/I'm sure the mental gymnastics for the resulting rationalization will be worthy of the Olympics.
 
2013-03-04 02:58:09 PM  

MadameX: Slam down a couple of these and you won't notice a lack of taste - in the beer or yourself
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It sits heavy.
 
2013-03-04 02:58:49 PM  
AB  got into the craft market by first buying Redhook.  Also most industrial brewers "water their beer down".  As was stated above most brew a to a higher concentration and water to spec.  Coors, before building or buying other brewers use to ship their concentrate by rail car to be watered down and canned locally.

/would love me some Stone, Bear Republic.
//Can't get them in OK so we drink local.
 
2013-03-04 03:07:40 PM  
well I guess if it makes anyone feel better Budlight is better tasting than Coors Light.
 
2013-03-04 03:10:37 PM  

Private_Citizen: I wonder what the Venn diagram for beer snobs and free market adherents would look like? Because those in the intersection need to seriously ponder the question: "If my taste in beer is so great, then why does Budweiser sell more beer in a minute than my favorite company will in a year?"

/I'm sure the mental gymnastics for the resulting rationalization will be worthy of the Olympics.


memeorama.com
 
2013-03-04 03:12:15 PM  

Private_Citizen: I wonder what the Venn diagram for beer snobs and free market adherents would look like? Because those in the intersection need to seriously ponder the question: "If my taste in beer is so great, then why does Budweiser sell more beer in a minute than my favorite company will in a year?"

/I'm sure the mental gymnastics for the resulting rationalization will be worthy of the Olympics.


So Justin Bieber is the best? McDonald's is the best?

Come on.
 
2013-03-04 03:13:23 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Horsebolt McStabledoor: bdub77: I must snob this thread up a little bit. Just had this the other night. Awesome sauce. Great IPA, not too strong and great taste.

Btw I'm sure A-B owns some great little beer companies, but their high volume stuff is indeed piss.

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copy that

Arrogant Bastard Ale is a case of popularity-by-label. That stuff is ok, but it's entirely middle of the road by craft standards.


You are entitled to your opinion, no matter how wrong it may be.
 
2013-03-04 03:19:47 PM  

Private_Citizen: I wonder what the Venn diagram for beer snobs and free market adherents would look like? Because those in the intersection need to seriously ponder the question: "If my taste in beer is so great, then why does Budweiser sell more beer in a minute than my favorite company will in a year?"

/I'm sure the mental gymnastics for the resulting rationalization will be worthy of the Olympics.


Because 95% of people are morons?
 
2013-03-04 03:19:52 PM  

busy chillin': Private_Citizen: I wonder what the Venn diagram for beer snobs and free market adherents would look like? Because those in the intersection need to seriously ponder the question: "If my taste in beer is so great, then why does Budweiser sell more beer in a minute than my favorite company will in a year?"

/I'm sure the mental gymnastics for the resulting rationalization will be worthy of the Olympics.

So Justin Bieber is the best? McDonald's is the best?

Come on.


Come see me again when Bieber has been a market leader for 100+ years. As for McDonalds, it's the most popular burger on the planet. It's not my choice, but it is the choice of the Market.
 
2013-03-04 03:23:23 PM  

thewulf: Private_Citizen: I wonder what the Venn diagram for beer snobs and free market adherents would look like? Because those in the intersection need to seriously ponder the question: "If my taste in beer is so great, then why does Budweiser sell more beer in a minute than my favorite company will in a year?"

/I'm sure the mental gymnastics for the resulting rationalization will be worthy of the Olympics.

Because 95% of people are morons?


Or perhaps your taste in beers is not the same as the vast majority. That's how the market works.

/being obscure/rare/expensive is not the same as being good - no matter what you've been told.
 
2013-03-04 03:24:50 PM  
This thread makes me want to go buy some McDonald's fries and eat them while drinking the 24oz of Bud Select I bought at a gas station last week to keep my buzz going.

As an aside, am I the only person (in the vein of hearing a song played at a bar and yelling "this is my JAM!") who will see a particular spigot-head at a bar and loudly exclaim "You guys have (xx) on tap? That shiat is my BEER!"

/Goose Island 312 is my karaoke fuel
 
2013-03-04 03:26:56 PM  
My last drinking night this past weekend I decided to spread out and try a few things.  I bought me some Stone ale and Commodore perry (Great lakes brewery).  I learned that any man who drinks IPA's should be shot on site.  When you need to chase a beer with soda then something went wrong.  Stone ale I didn't like either but wasn't nearly as strong.  Maybe I am adjusted to light lager and just need time to get into IPA's.  I also tried another beer called Shiners that was pretty good.  I need to get me some Newcastle Brown ale for my next drinking night.   That there is some good beer.
 
2013-03-04 03:29:01 PM  

Horsebolt McStabledoor: also
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YAY Goose Island !
 
2013-03-04 03:30:10 PM  

5 star chef of tv dinners: I learned that any man who drinks IPA's should be shot on site. When you need to chase a beer with soda then something went wrong.


Give it time. It's like the first time you tried beer and went "UGH NASTY" and then now you drink it all the time.

5 star chef of tv dinners: I also tried another beer called Shiners that was pretty good.


Presumably you had a Shiner Bock, the unofficial beer of Texas. A classic.
 
2013-03-04 03:30:30 PM  

MaxxLarge: StaleCoffee: You said "American beer" not macro brews, so what the fark did you expect?

I dunno...That people around here are bright enough to understand things like a given framework of contextual reference?

If an article talks about a quality decline in GM products, and someone says, "Yeah...American cars suck," You pretty much assume they're referring to big-three Detroit products. So if you feel compelled to chime in with "You go straight to hell! The Tesla Model S is AWESOME!", then you're pretty much just a guy who enjoys getting pissed off over what he THINKS someone said.


Sure thing. American food sucks. Everyone knows I'm talking about McDonalds, right?

So are you trying to yank my chain, or are you really using phrases like intellectual honesty and framework of contextual reference in a fark debate defending your comment that American beer sucks?

I'm not sure where we'll go with this. I'm just going to sit back and amuse myself with something for awhile, chilling out with a true brew from Stone Mill, hand crafted in the Californian buttes by ancient American Indians who passed on their traditions from generation to generation with your mom.
 
2013-03-04 03:33:01 PM  

Qellaqan: I used to work for AB as a brewing engineer. Budweiser gets such a light flavor because they use rice in addition to malt. German and european beers don't use rice. Interestingly, though, rice has a few properties that are "superior" from a brewing chemistry point of view, such as available sugar and water content. And yes, they do water it down. They brew to a slightly higher concentration, then bring the alcohol and carbonation and protein levels to spec levels in the finishing process. I assume any large scale brewer does this. And when they blow it, if it's only a little blown, it becomes busch, natty, etc. Busch and Natty and the like are made with corn and malt, but also have a wider spec tolerance.

I don't really get the Budweiser hate. It's a simple beer. It isn't Bells or Lagunitas or Dogfish Head. But it does the job and it's cheaper. However since their acquisition by Inbev, an obnoxious company, I have switched my gets-the-job-done beer to yuengling. Poor St Louis.


They hate on it cause of some old canoe sex joke, which happens to come from a country who drinks their beer luke warm and as of late drink worse swill like Fosters.
 
2013-03-04 03:33:42 PM  

L.D. Ablo: Beer snob thread!

I'm still in love with Racer 5.  It's too easy to cruise right through a six pack.


My girlfriend didn't think she liked beer. Then, on a date, I ordered a Racer 5 at the restaurant we were at. I offered her a sip and she instantly asked to trade drinks. I obliged and it turned into her becoming adventurous with beer and a new interest for us to share. For some reason a lot of people I know think that shiatty mass produced light lagers are the way to go for people who don't like beer very much instead of showing them what else is out there because it isn't too strong or flavorful. In reality they may just not like that kind of beer, and low quality versions of it aren't going to win them over.
 
2013-03-04 03:34:06 PM  
 
2013-03-04 03:43:36 PM  
This is the best beer on the planet:
upload.wikimedia.org
Fark Budweiser.
 
2013-03-04 03:44:38 PM  

adamgreeney: MaxxLarge: The biggest mystery about this whole thing is that anyone expected American beer to be any good in the first place.

Bell's. And Founders. Both here in MI, both incredible. Hell, Bell's Hopslam is the top rated IPA in the world. So you shut your mouth


I love me some Bell's Hopslam!  If you likeIPAs, try O'so Hopdinger or Hop Whoopin.  There's a local brew pub in my city that has great IPA's also.
 
2013-03-04 03:46:22 PM  

Mr. Right: I thought everybody knew that Bud doesn't sell watered down beer.  They sell slightly beered up water.


LOL
 
2013-03-04 03:48:57 PM  

Private_Citizen: thewulf: Private_Citizen: I wonder what the Venn diagram for beer snobs and free market adherents would look like? Because those in the intersection need to seriously ponder the question: "If my taste in beer is so great, then why does Budweiser sell more beer in a minute than my favorite company will in a year?"

/I'm sure the mental gymnastics for the resulting rationalization will be worthy of the Olympics.

Because 95% of people are morons?

Or perhaps your taste in beers is not the same as the vast majority. That's how the market works.

/being obscure/rare/expensive is not the same as being good - no matter what you've been told.


Wait... 95% of people AREN'T morons?

/4 tabs to your right. Go there. Say that.
 
2013-03-04 04:00:16 PM  

Treygreen13: 5 star chef of tv dinners: I learned that any man who drinks IPA's should be shot on site. When you need to chase a beer with soda then something went wrong.

Give it time. It's like the first time you tried beer and went "UGH NASTY" and then now you drink it all the time.

5 star chef of tv dinners: I also tried another beer called Shiners that was pretty good.

Presumably you had a Shiner Bock, the unofficial beer of Texas. A classic.


You could be right.  It was my first time trying an IPA and I just didn't like it.  If I keep at it then hopefully it gets better.  Correct, Shiner Bock was the full name of that beer.  I know someone at the party mentioned it was from Texas.  It was a really good beer.  I made need to grab a case the next time I'm out.  A coworker recommend something called Polygamy porter from Utah.  I need to try and find that.
 
2013-03-04 04:06:01 PM  

The Snow Dog: Private_Citizen: thewulf: Private_Citizen: I wonder what the Venn diagram for beer snobs and free market adherents would look like? Because those in the intersection need to seriously ponder the question: "If my taste in beer is so great, then why does Budweiser sell more beer in a minute than my favorite company will in a year?"

/I'm sure the mental gymnastics for the resulting rationalization will be worthy of the Olympics.

Because 95% of people are morons?

Or perhaps your taste in beers is not the same as the vast majority. That's how the market works.

/being obscure/rare/expensive is not the same as being good - no matter what you've been told.

Wait... 95% of people AREN'T morons?

/4 tabs to your right. Go there. Say that.


No, 95% of people aren't morons. It's a standard distribution, most roughly in the middle, with a few outliers. However, people who disagree with the vast majority often convince themselves they are smarter than all the rest, or in possesion of some secret knowledge - or they just dismiss the majority who disagree with them as "morons".

Here's my take: drink what YOU like. If someone else dosn't share your taste in beers, then take another sip of your beer and realize - taste varies and your opinion is no more valuable than thiers (well, except in the Market, where appealing to the majority can be very valuable indeed).
 
2013-03-04 04:10:41 PM  
Sorry, but this is the best beer hands down.

www.heavenlyswords.com
 
2013-03-04 04:15:13 PM  
Anyone else feel like it'd suck being a TA for an intro economics class and have to grade student essays?
 
2013-03-04 04:21:01 PM  

adamgreeney: MaxxLarge: The biggest mystery about this whole thing is that anyone expected American beer to be any good in the first place.

Bell's. And Founders. Both here in MI, both incredible. Hell, Bell's Hopslam is the top rated IPA in the world. So you shut your mouth


I accidentally drank an entire 6-pack of Hopslam in a sitting last month. It was phenomenal. And I was shiatfaced.
 
2013-03-04 04:21:58 PM  

CeroX: I don't get why A-B doesn't just own their clients... the low brow red neck trash of the US makes that company billions per year, yet they are constantly trying to reimage themselves, rebrand themselves, discredit claims of low quality, all to try and raise themselves a notch or 2 with the beer snob crowd...

Seriously A-B, and Miller, the two of you should embrace your clientele. Without the wife beaters and the gun freaks, without the 4x4 penis extensions, the cow nuts hanging from the bumpers, without the bleached damaged hair, and beer cozies with stupid slogans, and without nascar, where would you be?

Bankrupt and penniless that's where...

So BE PROUD of your clients american swill companies... and don't let the real craftsmen get you down, while they are perfecting the balance between hops and malt, you can laugh at their attempts all the way to the bank....


Are you one of the people who thinks stereotyping is wrong?
 
2013-03-04 04:30:03 PM  

StaleCoffee: So are you trying to yank my chain, or are you really using phrases like intellectual honesty and framework of contextual reference in a fark debate defending your comment that American beer sucks?


Here are some more big words for you to look up: "Cognitive disconnect."
 
2013-03-04 04:34:43 PM  

MaxxLarge: StaleCoffee: So are you trying to yank my chain, or are you really using phrases like intellectual honesty and framework of contextual reference in a fark debate defending your comment that American beer sucks?

Here are some more big words for you to look up: "Cognitive disconnect."


Which version of wikipedia should I use?
 
2013-03-04 04:53:37 PM  

RedHeadLover: Sorry, but this is the best beer hands down.

[www.heavenlyswords.com image 702x1500]


Maybe, but I'm not really a fan of having zippers in my beer.
 
2013-03-04 04:58:51 PM  
They must have been testing water instead of Budweiser.  I can understand the confusion, but really they should just admit the screw-up and apologize.
 
2013-03-04 05:43:31 PM  

The Snow Dog: This is the best beer on the planet:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 363x439]
Fark Budweiser.


I tried this recently. It's not half bad...compared to budwiser or Steel reserve, lol!

/prefer Stella Atrois when me and Mr Mafiageek1980 can afford it
 
2013-03-04 05:54:53 PM  

5 star chef of tv dinners: Treygreen13: 5 star chef of tv dinners: I learned that any man who drinks IPA's should be shot on site. When you need to chase a beer with soda then something went wrong.

Give it time. It's like the first time you tried beer and went "UGH NASTY" and then now you drink it all the time.

5 star chef of tv dinners: I also tried another beer called Shiners that was pretty good.

Presumably you had a Shiner Bock, the unofficial beer of Texas. A classic.

You could be right.  It was my first time trying an IPA and I just didn't like it.  If I keep at it then hopefully it gets better.  Correct, Shiner Bock was the full name of that beer.  I know someone at the party mentioned it was from Texas.  It was a really good beer.  I made need to grab a case the next time I'm out.  A coworker recommend something called Polygamy porter from Utah.  I need to try and find that.


If you are new to IPA the Single Wide by Boulevard is very good. Not super hoppy but still hoppy of course.  It is easy to drink. If you get bolder you try the Double Wide. It is probably "Better" but it is pricey being a Double IPA.

The Modus Operandi and Ranger are more in your face IPA but super delicious as well. Summit Brewing makes a good one too, again, it isn't as strong, but smooth.  Also the Red Hook IPA is tasty. There are probably better ones, but those are the ones I like and recommend.

Cheers!
 
2013-03-04 05:55:01 PM  
because ETOH is volitile and the lab probably did a shiatty sampling job.
 
2013-03-04 05:55:54 PM  

CaptainBeer: Jim Koch has been quoted (paraphrasing) that he respects AB because no matter where in the world you are, regardless of what brewery it came from, The Budweiser always tastes exactly the same.

Does ANYONE  know how hard that is to do?


Yes.  Yes I do.  And it's waaay more involved than most people think.  Especially in this thread.
 
2013-03-04 06:07:36 PM  

Private_Citizen: I wonder what the Venn diagram for beer snobs and free market adherents would look like? Because those in the intersection need to seriously ponder the question: "If my taste in beer is so great, then why does Budweiser sell more beer in a minute than my favorite company will in a year?"

/I'm sure the mental gymnastics for the resulting rationalization will be worthy of the Olympics.


Poorly worded, but true. People will one day wake up and realize that there is no free market in terms of beer, because the macro-breweries use their lobbyist money to keep micro-breweries and new craft breweries from expanding their market share with a variety of legal restrictions on activities of breweries and their distribution methods.
 
2013-03-04 06:22:01 PM  

rebelyell2006: Private_Citizen: I wonder what the Venn diagram for beer snobs and free market adherents would look like? Because those in the intersection need to seriously ponder the question: "If my taste in beer is so great, then why does Budweiser sell more beer in a minute than my favorite company will in a year?"

/I'm sure the mental gymnastics for the resulting rationalization will be worthy of the Olympics.

Poorly worded, but true. People will one day wake up and realize that there is no free market in terms of beer, because the macro-breweries use their lobbyist money to keep micro-breweries and new craft breweries from expanding their market share with a variety of legal restrictions on activities of breweries and their distribution methods.


Maybe 10 years ago they could do that. As the free market would have it, there is currently a demand for craft beer from local brewers, and it is being met by local brewers. There used to be 1 brewery of note within driving distance for me - the Miller plant. Now I can take a bus to 11 active breweries, soon to be 17.
 
2013-03-04 06:34:31 PM  
Have no issue with Bud or Bud Light.  If it's at my dad's and I forgot to hit the Beer Store or the LCBO, then it works in a pinch when fishing off the dock, cause that's what he buys when he knows we are visiting.  It's cheap, and he will have one or two.

I don't think I have a favourite though...there's too many I like...and too many I buy throughout the year depending on my mood.

In my fridge right now there's a six of Mill St. Organic and Granville Island Pale Ale

Others I like...

Stella
Steamwhistle
Mill St. Organic (probably closest to my fav) and the rest of the Mill St. lineup
Granville Island
Heineken (again, great for hanging out near the lake)
Innes and Gunn (original, blonde and rum finish are all great)
Hoegaarden
Sam Adams (love their winter and summer brews)
1664 Blanc
Rickards Red (white and dark too)
Sapporo (but only if I am having sushi)
Moretti (if I am having italian and don't feel like wine)

It's beer.  drink what you drink, like what you like, there's room for many.

/finally discovered Granville Island and their awesomeness
//Granville Island Lions Winter Ale FTW!
///English Bay Pale Ale also good stuff!
 
2013-03-04 07:14:14 PM  

busy chillin': 5 star chef of tv dinners: Treygreen13: 5 star chef of tv dinners: I learned that any man who drinks IPA's should be shot on site. When you need to chase a beer with soda then something went wrong.

Give it time. It's like the first time you tried beer and went "UGH NASTY" and then now you drink it all the time.

5 star chef of tv dinners: I also tried another beer called Shiners that was pretty good.

Presumably you had a Shiner Bock, the unofficial beer of Texas. A classic.

You could be right.  It was my first time trying an IPA and I just didn't like it.  If I keep at it then hopefully it gets better.  Correct, Shiner Bock was the full name of that beer.  I know someone at the party mentioned it was from Texas.  It was a really good beer.  I made need to grab a case the next time I'm out.  A coworker recommend something called Polygamy porter from Utah.  I need to try and find that.

If you are new to IPA the Single Wide by Boulevard is very good. Not super hoppy but still hoppy of course.  It is easy to drink. If you get bolder you try the Double Wide. It is probably "Better" but it is pricey being a Double IPA.

The Modus Operandi and Ranger are more in your face IPA but super delicious as well. Summit Brewing makes a good one too, again, it isn't as strong, but smooth.  Also the Red Hook IPA is tasty. There are probably better ones, but those are the ones I like and recommend.

Cheers!


Interesting.  Thanks for the recommendations.  I will try to find them the next time I am out.
 
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