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2013-03-04 01:44:29 PM  

Mr. Titanium: blatz514: MaxxLarge: blatz514: You watch your whore mouth!

Dude. I grew UP in Milwaukee. Lived there for 32 years. I get it.

Still, the only instances wherein I could stomach the local product was the two times I took out-of-town friends on the Miller tour, and got the free samples at the end. When their swill is tapped directly from the lines where it's ridiculously fresh, it's actually passable. Other than that, the cloying, skunky, corn-mash sour-sweetness of it is just unpalatable.

I was just joking.  Blatz was the only shiat I could afford during college and the coming years after.

I doubt it, unless you are a lot older than you look over the internet.  Blatz was bought out and shut down in the early 60's.  The name was resurrected for cheap-beer-of-the-week, just like so many other venerable names, but it wasn't real Blatz.


Real Blatz...fake Blatz.  It was only $7.00 a case.  This would have been early 2000's.  It got me by.
 
2013-03-04 01:44:36 PM  
Budweiser has been mocking real beer for decades.
 
2013-03-04 01:45:09 PM  
I've got news for those lawsuit-happy people.  There's not a single drink (alcoholic or non-alcoholic) that isn't made from water..in some way.  Milk..the cow drinks water.  Soft drinks..carbonated water is the base ingredient.  Kool-Aid...guess what...water & flavored sugar.  Even your favorite Scotch is made from filtered water.

Water is a basic element on this Earth & everything we drink is based upon that..  NOTHING you drink doesn't contain water!

/Prove me wrong!
 
2013-03-04 01:45:51 PM  
I inject hops directly into my eyeballs. The rest of you are pussies.
 
2013-03-04 01:45:55 PM  

MaxxLarge: The biggest mystery about this whole thing is that anyone expected American beer to be any good in the first place.


AB is not an American beer company. There are good American beers. Give sprecher, yeunglings, or Sam Adams a try.
 
2013-03-04 01:46:12 PM  

bdub77: I must snob this thread up a little bit. Just had this the other night. Awesome sauce. Great IPA, not too strong and great taste.

Btw I'm sure A-B owns some great little beer companies, but their high volume stuff is indeed piss.

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copy that

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2013-03-04 01:46:15 PM  
This will be the event that finally reveals to the world that Budweiser is little more than the Missouri River-fermented urine of the homeless and drunk in Kansas City.
 
2013-03-04 01:46:40 PM  

FatherChaos: According to foodandnutritionmagazine.org,

The typical American beer ranges from 90 percent to 94 percent water and averages 4.6 percent alcohol by volume

Having sex in a canoe?


What are the stats for say, Dogfish Head?
 
Bf+
2013-03-04 01:47:46 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: FatherChaos: According to foodandnutritionmagazine.org,

The typical American beer ranges from 90 percent to 94 percent water and averages 4.6 percent alcohol by volume

Having sex in a canoe?

What are the stats for say, Dogfish Head?


60 or 90?
 
2013-03-04 01:48:19 PM  
I'm going to guess that they might water the beer down to the stated % alcohol content, but not lower than. Whether the litigants have merely got the wrong end of the stick or if there's some sneaky reputational sabotage at play is another issue.
 
2013-03-04 01:48:54 PM  
also
germanknucklecakes.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-03-04 01:49:18 PM  

Bf+: HaywoodJablonski: FatherChaos: According to foodandnutritionmagazine.org,

The typical American beer ranges from 90 percent to 94 percent water and averages 4.6 percent alcohol by volume

Having sex in a canoe?

What are the stats for say, Dogfish Head?

60 or 90?


Dealers choice
 
2013-03-04 01:49:42 PM  
What % is piss?
 
2013-03-04 01:51:20 PM  
"there's no accounting for taste" said the old woman as she bent to kiss her cow.
 
2013-03-04 01:53:39 PM  

SR117Nighthawk: I've got news for those lawsuit-happy people.  There's not a single drink (alcoholic or non-alcoholic) that isn't made from water..in some way.  Milk..the cow drinks water.  Soft drinks..carbonated water is the base ingredient.  Kool-Aid...guess what...water & flavored sugar.  Even your favorite Scotch is made from filtered water.

Water is a basic element on this Earth & everything we drink is based upon that..  NOTHING you drink doesn't contain water!

/Prove me wrong!


Yea the only thing I can think of would be pure ethanol, but even the ethanol we'd have in a lab has some water in it. If you get juice straight from the fruit then that is 100% fruit juice, but since fruit contains water it is still water.

I don't think it is because "water is a basic element" since water is two elements, but more like "water is the only non-poison liquid"
 
2013-03-04 01:53:48 PM  
Tastes in beer is like taste in women: mine are great, yours suck.
 
2013-03-04 01:54:05 PM  
Jim Koch has been quoted (paraphrasing) that he respects AB because no matter where in the world you are, regardless of what brewery it came from, The Budweiser always tastes exactly the same.

Does ANYONE  know how hard that is to do?
 
2013-03-04 01:54:38 PM  
I like Budweiser. I like Guinness. I like New Castle. I like local IPA. I like Amber Ale from your town. I like Scotch Ale. I like many different varieties of beer.
 
2013-03-04 01:55:20 PM  

CaptainBeer: Jim Koch has been quoted (paraphrasing) that he respects AB because no matter where in the world you are, regardless of what brewery it came from, The Budweiser always tastes exactly the same.

Does ANYONE  know how hard that is to do?


Yea I agree with that.. all the chemical engineers I know have a hard-on for AB because of the amazing manufacturing...
 
2013-03-04 01:56:02 PM  
Since we're headed to beer snob territory, let me say I'm loving Chimay's output. I'm to the point where I'd rather save up and buy that than get the latest craft beer coming out. I'm starting to think craft beer is a little oversaturated within its niche.
 
2013-03-04 01:56:06 PM  
barleydine.files.wordpress.com
Best. Ever.
 
2013-03-04 01:56:07 PM  

LeroyBourne: WI guy huh? You're probably no stranger to yummy New Glarus beers.


MaxxLarge: F*cking relax. My favorite beer in the world happens to be New Glarus Wisconsin Belgian Red...a.k.a., a stateside craft brew.

 
2013-03-04 01:57:01 PM  

Treygreen13: uttertosh: Treygreen13: Very nice. You're going to have them on the hook for at least an hour now

I was trolling with the "intellectual honesty" line, like, 2 summers ago. Pfffffft... (that was me opening a Tennants lager, not making a derisory lip-noise)

Tennants? I've got a buddy trying to get his hands on some of that. I've never been able to find it in the states though.


Try it warm on a summers day. It has a similar metallic aftertwang as drinking cold heinz spagetti hoops. From the can. Not the same consistency, but the taste is actually very similar. (attended the first 3 T-in-the-Park's) I'll not be surprised when it takes the american hipster lager scene by storm. It's that scummy.

Way nicer, more flavoursome than Bud, though. It scares me that I'd really actually choose tennants lager over a budwiser. I need a shower now. :-/
 
2013-03-04 01:57:27 PM  
Oh and I will say that if I could have an apartment above Rogue's tasting room, I would.
 
2013-03-04 01:57:51 PM  

MaxxLarge: adamgreeney: Bell's. And Founders. Both here in MI, both incredible. Hell, Bell's Hopslam is the top rated IPA in the world. So you shut your mouth

StaleCoffee:+2 post of derping

envirovore: Not sure if trolling or just stupid.

F*cking relax. My favorite beer in the world happens to be New Glarus Wisconsin Belgian Red...a.k.a., a stateside craft brew. I mean Big-Beverage MACRObrews, and having some intellectual honesty means you knew that. So can the mock outrage.


You said "American beer" not macro brews, so what the fark did you expect? You would have done better with the troll angle instead of this whiny indignant backpedal bullshiat.

The macro-brew crap is less about American taste preference and more about our farked up distribution and retail system, anyway.
 
2013-03-04 02:00:08 PM  

Carn: They're not watered down like we're thinking, but I have read in my beer magazines that sometimes the big breweries brew concentrated batches then add water after fermentation.


That's not what the lawsuit is alleging though.  It's alleging that the company is shipping beer that's 3-8% less alcohol than specified on the can.

For a 4% beer, that would be 3.88-3.68% alcohol instead.  It'd 'round' to 4%, which might be how InBev(that bought Bush) thinks it can get away with it.
 
2013-03-04 02:01:54 PM  

Source4leko: A friend once brought a 6 pack of bud light to a party.  As we opened each of the bottles, we realized that there never was and never had been beer in any of them, just very pure and good tasting water.  I was more pleased with that then if there had been beer in the bottles.  Shortly after this we realized we should have kept one capped and tried to get our money back or something, but we had already had many much better tasting beers before that.

/csb



www.fjcruiserforums.com

Approves.
 
2013-03-04 02:02:27 PM  
It amazes me how many people either look for pictures of beer or just take a picture before drinking it. Same shot too. Full beer next to the bottle. But we never see anyone enjoying a beer, or the after affects of the beer.
 
2013-03-04 02:02:40 PM  

Citrate1007: What % is piss?


100%
 
2013-03-04 02:04:48 PM  
To be fair to "American Beer", macro brews everywhere suck at an equal level.  I'm looking at you Carlsberg.

/A.B. is capable of making great beer.  I have had some.  When they decided to get in on the craft brew fad they started trying out some recipes that were available near the breweries.  Those beers were good.  Then they had to figure out how to make them cheap.  Those beers are not so good.
 
2013-03-04 02:05:20 PM  

Gifted Many Few: It amazes me how many people either look for pictures of beer or just take a picture before drinking it. Same shot too. Full beer next to the bottle. But we never see anyone enjoying a beer, or the after affects of the beer.


patrishka.files.wordpress.com

/may also include infanticide
 
2013-03-04 02:06:33 PM  
A local Lager I grew up on. It was a sort of a Michelob Lite, Bud Select had a more bodied flavor, but like it.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0IYUXWn3UY

This ad was during the Rainier/Olympia beer wars

/got gout...can't touch it
//I'd die for a Michelob non-alky bottle
///always a bottle;never a can
 
2013-03-04 02:07:14 PM  

Gifted Many Few: It amazes me how many people either look for pictures of beer or just take a picture before drinking it. Same shot too. Full beer next to the bottle. But we never see anyone enjoying a beer, or the after affects of the beer.


then the post wouldn't be about the beer. It would then be about the particular person or the effects...therefore missing the point of the thread.
 
2013-03-04 02:08:09 PM  

ccundiff: To be fair to "American Beer", macro brews everywhere suck at an equal level.  I'm looking at you Carlsberg.

/A.B. is capable of making great beer.  I have had some.  When they decided to get in on the craft brew fad they started trying out some recipes that were available near the breweries.  Those beers were good.  Then they had to figure out how to make them cheap.  Those beers are not so good.


When they decided to get into the craft brew fad, they just bought Goose Island

/true story
 
2013-03-04 02:10:10 PM  

CaptainBeer: Jim Koch has been quoted (paraphrasing) that he respects AB because no matter where in the world you are, regardless of what brewery it came from, The Budweiser always tastes exactly the same.

Does ANYONE  know how hard that is to do?


Ol' Jim can take a flying fark, 'cause I DON'T CARE.
 
2013-03-04 02:13:59 PM  

MaxxLarge: LeroyBourne: WI guy huh? You're probably no stranger to yummy New Glarus beers.

MaxxLarge: F*cking relax. My favorite beer in the world happens to be New Glarus Wisconsin Belgian Red...a.k.a., a stateside craft brew.




I have a 6 pack of their black top in my refrigerator right now . I'm not much of a fan of IPAs, but I tried it and love it. It's a shame they can't sell their stuff in MN, but it's probably better to keep their operation local and smaller, plus I don't mind traveling across the border for the stuff.
 
2013-03-04 02:14:00 PM  

Firethorn: Carn: They're not watered down like we're thinking, but I have read in my beer magazines that sometimes the big breweries brew concentrated batches then add water after fermentation.

That's not what the lawsuit is alleging though.  It's alleging that the company is shipping beer that's 3-8% less alcohol than specified on the can.

For a 4% beer, that would be 3.88-3.68% alcohol instead.  It'd 'round' to 4%, which might be how InBev(that bought Bush) thinks it can get away with it.


Alright, that's kinda crappy.  I wonder how they do their calculations internally for ABV?  Digital Refractomers and an equation?  When brewing on such a large scale, the tiniest of rounding errors could result in that amount of difference.  However, unless they very recently changed their recipe or methods, there's no reason why they shouldn't be matching whatever recipe, unless their ingredients have changed and they have not adjusted the recipe to make up for it.
 
2013-03-04 02:14:01 PM  

Two16: /may also include infanticide


I thought Monsanto were working on that, not A-B...
 
2013-03-04 02:14:01 PM  
I like all beers, especially when they're given to me free, except Miller for some reason. That said though, I've imposed on myself a limit of no more than 6 Fat Tires per side, during a brake job. It turned a 1 hr easy job trying to learn the bro in-law some autos into a 1.5 hr area wide search for the correct 18mm 1/2" socket after 2 of them broke. To mitigate this in the future, I now have air tool goodness, more sizes of breaker bars, and better sockets. So in reality, it was really my lack of 1/2" tools that was the problem.

/Normally, I don't drink when doing extra boring brake jobs, but when I do...
 
2013-03-04 02:14:28 PM  

spidermilk: SR117Nighthawk: I've got news for those lawsuit-happy people.  There's not a single drink (alcoholic or non-alcoholic) that isn't made from water..in some way.  Milk..the cow drinks water.  Soft drinks..carbonated water is the base ingredient.  Kool-Aid...guess what...water & flavored sugar.  Even your favorite Scotch is made from filtered water.

Water is a basic element on this Earth & everything we drink is based upon that..  NOTHING you drink doesn't contain water!

/Prove me wrong!

Yea the only thing I can think of would be pure ethanol, but even the ethanol we'd have in a lab has some water in it. If you get juice straight from the fruit then that is 100% fruit juice, but since fruit contains water it is still water.

I don't think it is because "water is a basic element" since water is two elements, but more like "water is the only non-poison liquid"


but... but... too much water will give you water intoxication (aka water poisoning)!
 
2013-03-04 02:17:16 PM  

StaleCoffee: MaxxLarge: adamgreeney: Bell's. And Founders. Both here in MI, both incredible. Hell, Bell's Hopslam is the top rated IPA in the world. So you shut your mouth

StaleCoffee:+2 post of derping

envirovore: Not sure if trolling or just stupid.

F*cking relax. My favorite beer in the world happens to be New Glarus Wisconsin Belgian Red...a.k.a., a stateside craft brew. I mean Big-Beverage MACRObrews, and having some intellectual honesty means you knew that. So can the mock outrage.

You said "American beer" not macro brews, so what the fark did you expect? You would have done better with the troll angle instead of this whiny indignant backpedal bullshiat.

The macro-brew crap is less about American taste preference and more about our farked up distribution and retail system, anyway.


Which American macrobrews are we talking about? Because the ones I can name are all owned by multinationals now.
 
2013-03-04 02:19:01 PM  

MaxxLarge: The biggest mystery about this whole thing is that anyone expected American beer to be any good in the first place.


technically, it's now a multi-national beer.
 
2013-03-04 02:20:10 PM  

Carn: They're not watered down like we're thinking, but I have read in my beer magazines that sometimes the big breweries brew concentrated batches then add water after fermentation.  This means they can make more beer in a smaller space.


There has been a long-standing brewing technique in which the grains are mashed twice.  The first runnings contain more sugar then the second and thusly will provide more food for yeast to turn it into alcohol.

If AB was looking to be more efficient with materials it would make sense to use this method so that the second runnings come in at their advertised ABV and the first runnings can be watered down to meet the advertised ABV.

The taste would be different between the two resulting batches, but not so much that most folks would notice.  This I think is where there's a toe-hold for the lawsuit as well as long-time Bud drinkers that have stated that it tastes different as of late but just can't put what it is into words.
 
2013-03-04 02:20:19 PM  
 Jim Koch has been quoted (paraphrasing) that he respects AB because no matter where in the world you are, regardless of what brewery it came from, The Budweiser always tastes exactly the same.

Does ANYONE  know how hard that is to do?


Yea I agree with that.. all the chemical engineers I know have a hard-on for AB because of the amazing manufacturing...
That sounds like a back-handed compliment, but I'll take it anyhow. Cheers!
 
2013-03-04 02:23:17 PM  

StaleCoffee: You said "American beer" not macro brews, so what the fark did you expect?


I dunno...That people around here are bright enough to understand things like a given framework of contextual reference?

If an article talks about a quality decline in GM products, and someone says, "Yeah...American cars suck," You pretty much assume they're referring to big-three Detroit products. So if you feel compelled to chime in with "You go straight to hell! The Tesla Model S is AWESOME!", then you're pretty much just a guy who enjoys getting pissed off over what he THINKS someone said.
 
2013-03-04 02:23:33 PM  

adamgreeney: MaxxLarge: The biggest mystery about this whole thing is that anyone expected American beer to be any good in the first place.

Bell's. And Founders. Both here in MI, both incredible. Hell, Bell's Hopslam is the top rated IPA in the world. So you shut your mouth


Founders is the best ever. Their porter is stupidly good.
 
2013-03-04 02:24:50 PM  
 
2013-03-04 02:25:26 PM  

Horsebolt McStabledoor: bdub77: I must snob this thread up a little bit. Just had this the other night. Awesome sauce. Great IPA, not too strong and great taste.

Btw I'm sure A-B owns some great little beer companies, but their high volume stuff is indeed piss.

[i-cdn.apartmenttherapy.com image 540x359]

copy that


Arrogant Bastard Ale is a case of popularity-by-label. That stuff is ok, but it's entirely middle of the road by craft standards.
 
2013-03-04 02:25:33 PM  
This was a stupid non-story to begin with. It's stupidly simple to prove/disprove and was answered almost immediately.
 
2013-03-04 02:26:58 PM  

stlbluez: My brother has been working at that brewery for over 30 years.
Hes told me numerious times about the cost-cutting, the weirdness...
Their beloved Mich Ultra.. Bud Selects, etc... are watered down EXACTLY as the lawsuit describes.  water + extra carbonation = fewer calories... and inexplicably more expensive.

They use about half the beechwood they used to in their 'beechwood aging'.. and they age it for half as long.
Often times if a beer has some problems or irregularities.. it's 'changed'.  Bud can become busch.. busch or even bud light can become natty light, etc... with a few additives.

He's hoping this lawsuit sheds some light on the process...  even though the alcohol content motivation doesn't hold water, in his opinon.

I keep trying to tell him... dude.. no one cares.  People know what they're getting. Thats why there's  a 6 of some kind of IPA or unfiltered wheat in my fridge along with the 30pack of busch light :)


stop spewing lies.. it has been proven (even on fark thread recently) that Budweiser are NOT watered down. I'm not saying Bud is the top 5 greatest lager or anything but it is certainly not watered down.
 
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