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2013-03-04 11:26:19 AM
The biggest mystery about this whole thing is that anyone expected American beer to be any good in the first place.
 
2013-03-04 11:44:00 AM

MaxxLarge: The biggest mystery about this whole thing is that anyone expected American beer to be any good in the first place.


You watch your whore mouth!
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2013-03-04 11:47:26 AM

MaxxLarge: The biggest mystery about this whole thing is that anyone expected American beer to be any good in the first place.


Well, it is well crafted. It's really really different to make a lager that light consistently over and over again.

It's not my kind of beer but I can be impressed by the effort.
 
2013-03-04 11:49:35 AM

blatz514: You watch your whore mouth!


Dude. I grew UP in Milwaukee. Lived there for 32 years. I get it.

Still, the only instances wherein I could stomach the local product was the two times I took out-of-town friends on the Miller tour, and got the free samples at the end. When their swill is tapped directly from the lines where it's ridiculously fresh, it's actually passable. Other than that, the cloying, skunky, corn-mash sour-sweetness of it is just unpalatable.
 
2013-03-04 11:54:16 AM

MaxxLarge: blatz514: You watch your whore mouth!

Dude. I grew UP in Milwaukee. Lived there for 32 years. I get it.

Still, the only instances wherein I could stomach the local product was the two times I took out-of-town friends on the Miller tour, and got the free samples at the end. When their swill is tapped directly from the lines where it's ridiculously fresh, it's actually passable. Other than that, the cloying, skunky, corn-mash sour-sweetness of it is just unpalatable.


I was just joking.  Blatz was the only shiat I could afford during college and the coming years after.
 
2013-03-04 01:03:16 PM
Beer snob thread!

I'm still in love with Racer 5.  It's too easy to cruise right through a six pack.
 
2013-03-04 01:05:57 PM
Wait! Blatz is real? I thought it was an older version of Duff. It must not be a southern thing, huh.
 
2013-03-04 01:08:14 PM
Who the f*ck cares?
 
2013-03-04 01:08:32 PM
A-B doesn't add water to their beer. I thought everyone knew that they added horse piss.
 
2013-03-04 01:10:07 PM
Budweiser is the best-tasting beer in the world, hands down.
 
2013-03-04 01:10:23 PM
Ah. Truth in advertising.
 
2013-03-04 01:11:30 PM

JackieRabbit: A-B doesn't add water to their beer. I thought everyone knew that they added horse piss.


"...put the Budweiser back in the horse, boys. It's another Guinness for me.."
 
2013-03-04 01:11:56 PM
So the take-away from this is that CNN doesn't understand how beer making works... It's a chemistry project, and there are going to be variations.
 
2013-03-04 01:13:10 PM
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2013-03-04 01:13:25 PM

MaxxLarge: The biggest mystery about this whole thing is that anyone expected American beer to be any good in the first place.


Bell's. And Founders. Both here in MI, both incredible. Hell, Bell's Hopslam is the top rated IPA in the world. So you shut your mouth
 
2013-03-04 01:15:23 PM
Dear A-B could you please stop with the Landslide horse commercial.
 
2013-03-04 01:17:36 PM
Stay thirsty my friends.
 
2013-03-04 01:18:11 PM

MaxxLarge: The biggest mystery about this whole thing is that anyone expected American beer to be any good in the first place.


Not sure if trolling or just stupid.
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2013-03-04 01:20:38 PM

MaxxLarge: The biggest mystery about this whole thing is that anyone expected American beer to be any good in the first place.


+2 post of derping
 
2013-03-04 01:21:05 PM
My brother has been working at that brewery for over 30 years.
Hes told me numerious times about the cost-cutting, the weirdness...
Their beloved Mich Ultra.. Bud Selects, etc... are watered down EXACTLY as the lawsuit describes.  water + extra carbonation = fewer calories... and inexplicably more expensive.

They use about half the beechwood they used to in their 'beechwood aging'.. and they age it for half as long.
Often times if a beer has some problems or irregularities.. it's 'changed'.  Bud can become busch.. busch or even bud light can become natty light, etc... with a few additives.

He's hoping this lawsuit sheds some light on the process...  even though the alcohol content motivation doesn't hold water, in his opinon.

I keep trying to tell him... dude.. no one cares.  People know what they're getting. Thats why there's  a 6 of some kind of IPA or unfiltered wheat in my fridge along with the 30pack of busch light :)
 
2013-03-04 01:23:03 PM

mbillips: Budweiser is the best-tasting beer in the world, hands down.


1/10, someone will bite.
 
2013-03-04 01:23:42 PM

uncleacid: Dear A-B could you please stop with the Landslide horse commercial.


Ditto on the PitBull Bud Light assault on my senses.
 
2013-03-04 01:25:00 PM
According to foodandnutritionmagazine.org,

The typical American beer ranges from 90 percent to 94 percent water and averages 4.6 percent alcohol by volume

Having sex in a canoe?
 
2013-03-04 01:25:54 PM
I don't get why A-B doesn't just own their clients... the low brow red neck trash of the US makes that company billions per year, yet they are constantly trying to reimage themselves, rebrand themselves, discredit claims of low quality, all to try and raise themselves a notch or 2 with the beer snob crowd...

Seriously A-B, and Miller, the two of you should embrace your clientele. Without the wife beaters and the gun freaks, without the 4x4 penis extensions, the cow nuts hanging from the bumpers, without the bleached damaged hair, and beer cozies with stupid slogans, and without nascar, where would you be?

Bankrupt and penniless that's where...

So BE PROUD of your clients american swill companies... and don't let the real craftsmen get you down, while they are perfecting the balance between hops and malt, you can laugh at their attempts all the way to the bank....
 
2013-03-04 01:27:03 PM
People who buy crappy, cheap beer complain that they are drinking crappy, cheap beer, Rick Romero reports.

As a native of St.Louis, I drank the crap beer as a teenager, its some sort of loyalty test. In my old age I have learned the diffrence between real beer and that piss water swill they call beer. Oh what I wouldn't give for a chimay.
 
2013-03-04 01:27:18 PM
When I was younger I drank Budweiser exclusively. I had jackets, hats, posters, a pool stick and varous other things with the Bud logo. It was good at the time and the taste still takes me back to drinking with my father.
 
2013-03-04 01:27:33 PM
A friend once brought a 6 pack of bud light to a party.  As we opened each of the bottles, we realized that there never was and never had been beer in any of them, just very pure and good tasting water.  I was more pleased with that then if there had been beer in the bottles.  Shortly after this we realized we should have kept one capped and tried to get our money back or something, but we had already had many much better tasting beers before that.

/csb
 
2013-03-04 01:28:07 PM

MaxxLarge: blatz514: You watch your whore mouth!

Dude. I grew UP in Milwaukee. Lived there for 32 years. I get it.

Still, the only instances wherein I could stomach the local product was the two times I took out-of-town friends on the Miller tour, and got the free samples at the end. When their swill is tapped directly from the lines where it's ridiculously fresh, it's actually passable. Other than that, the cloying, skunky, corn-mash sour-sweetness of it is just unpalatable.


I generally don't like the mass brewers and I pretty much only drink Bud and what not when it is cold, free and nothing better around.  So I have to say when we toured the brewery in St. Louis (as much for the beer as for the horses) I was very shocked at how much i liked the fresh Bud they served.  If that is what would come out in the bottles or tap, I'd be more inclined to drink it.  I don't know if they choose or make specials batches to the tasting room, but it was good.

Coors in Golden was not a bad tour either.  At the time each adult could get 3 16-oz glasses of their choice of beer.  My FIL and I had ours plus some of the ladies' allowance and then made them drive.  Again, better than what you would normally get in a bar.
 
2013-03-04 01:28:09 PM
Budweiser is just fermented rice with water added.
I know.
I drink at least 6 a day.
 
2013-03-04 01:28:14 PM

adamgreeney: Bell's. And Founders. Both here in MI, both incredible. Hell, Bell's Hopslam is the top rated IPA in the world. So you shut your mouth


StaleCoffee:+2 post of derping

envirovore: Not sure if trolling or just stupid.


F*cking relax. My favorite beer in the world happens to be New Glarus Wisconsin Belgian Red...a.k.a., a stateside craft brew. I mean Big-Beverage MACRObrews, and having some intellectual honesty means you knew that. So can the mock outrage.
 
2013-03-04 01:31:41 PM

mbillips: Budweiser is the best-tasting beer in the world, hands down.


-0/10

it's not even the best tasting-beer in the world, hands up.
 
2013-03-04 01:32:06 PM
I thought everybody knew that Bud doesn't sell watered down beer.  They sell slightly beered up water.
 
2013-03-04 01:32:59 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: MaxxLarge: The biggest mystery about this whole thing is that anyone expected American beer to be any good in the first place.

Well, it is well crafted. It's really really different to make a lager that light consistently over and over again.

It's not my kind of beer but I can be impressed by the effort.


I am, frankly, amazed at how they manage to remove so MUCH of the flavor and character from the likes of Budweiser.

I have tried a few times to brew something as light and tasteless as Bud / Coors, but my beer has always turned out to be far too flavorful and aromatic to be even considered a close match.
 
2013-03-04 01:33:04 PM
As long as I can have my Old Rasputin Imperial Russian Stout, I will cheerfully ignore the sour soda pop that goes by the name of lager in this country.
 
2013-03-04 01:33:59 PM

MaxxLarge: The biggest mystery about this whole thing is that anyone expected   mass produced American beer to be any good in the first place.



 FTFY.
 
2013-03-04 01:34:28 PM

stlbluez: Often times if a beer has some problems or irregularities.. it's 'changed'.  Bud can become busch.. busch or even bud light can become natty light, etc... with a few additives.


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2013-03-04 01:34:51 PM

MaxxLarge: adamgreeney: Bell's. And Founders. Both here in MI, both incredible. Hell, Bell's Hopslam is the top rated IPA in the world. So you shut your mouth

StaleCoffee:+2 post of derping

envirovore: Not sure if trolling or just stupid.

F*cking relax. My favorite beer in the world happens to be New Glarus Wisconsin Belgian Red...a.k.a., a stateside craft brew. I mean Big-Beverage MACRObrews, and having some intellectual honesty means you knew that. So can the mock outrage.


Very nice. You're going to have them on the hook for at least an hour now.
 
2013-03-04 01:35:55 PM

MaxxLarge: blatz514: You watch your whore mouth!

Dude. I grew UP in Milwaukee. Lived there for 32 years. I get it.

Still, the only instances wherein I could stomach the local product was the two times I took out-of-town friends on the Miller tour, and got the free samples at the end. When their swill is tapped directly from the lines where it's ridiculously fresh, it's actually passable. Other than that, the cloying, skunky, corn-mash sour-sweetness of it is just unpalatable.




WI guy huh? You're probably no stranger to yummy New Glarus beers.
 
2013-03-04 01:36:20 PM

MaxxLarge: adamgreeney: Bell's. And Founders. Both here in MI, both incredible. Hell, Bell's Hopslam is the top rated IPA in the world. So you shut your mouth

StaleCoffee:+2 post of derping

envirovore: Not sure if trolling or just stupid.

F*cking relax. My favorite beer in the world happens to be New Glarus Wisconsin Belgian Red...a.k.a., a stateside craft brew. I mean Big-Beverage MACRObrews, and having some intellectual honesty means you knew that. So can the mock outrage.


I'm with you there. I had a friend admit that he liked Coors recently and I'm still debating on if we can remain friends...
 
2013-03-04 01:37:40 PM

Hagenhatesyouall: The Stealth Hippopotamus: MaxxLarge: The biggest mystery about this whole thing is that anyone expected American beer to be any good in the first place.

Well, it is well crafted. It's really really different to make a lager that light consistently over and over again.

It's not my kind of beer but I can be impressed by the effort.

I am, frankly, amazed at how they manage to remove so MUCH of the flavor and character from the likes of Budweiser.

I have tried a few times to brew something as light and tasteless as Bud / Coors, but my beer has always turned out to be far too flavorful and aromatic to be even considered a close match.


Anheuser-Busch lead the world in bioprocess industrial quality control.  Seriously.  They've written books that the medical industry follows.
 
2013-03-04 01:39:45 PM
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Just because.

/I prefer a good Skittlebrau once in a while myself.
 
2013-03-04 01:39:49 PM

blatz514: MaxxLarge: blatz514: You watch your whore mouth!

Dude. I grew UP in Milwaukee. Lived there for 32 years. I get it.

Still, the only instances wherein I could stomach the local product was the two times I took out-of-town friends on the Miller tour, and got the free samples at the end. When their swill is tapped directly from the lines where it's ridiculously fresh, it's actually passable. Other than that, the cloying, skunky, corn-mash sour-sweetness of it is just unpalatable.

I was just joking.  Blatz was the only shiat I could afford during college and the coming years after.


I doubt it, unless you are a lot older than you look over the internet.  Blatz was bought out and shut down in the early 60's.  The name was resurrected for cheap-beer-of-the-week, just like so many other venerable names, but it wasn't real Blatz.
 
2013-03-04 01:40:37 PM

Treygreen13: Very nice. You're going to have them on the hook for at least an hour now


I was trolling with the "intellectual honesty" line, like, 2 summers ago. Pfffffft... (that was me opening a Tennants lager, not making a derisory lip-noise)
 
2013-03-04 01:41:50 PM
They're not watered down like we're thinking, but I have read in my beer magazines that sometimes the big breweries brew concentrated batches then add water after fermentation.  This means they can make more beer in a smaller space.  As someone mentioned above, you have to give them credit for making a consistent product.  It's very hard to make a light lager with no noticeable off flavors.  Now, is it a good tasting beer?  Very few would argue that I think (I'd label it acceptable if you have no other options), but certainly well-made.  I often wonder what "real" Budweiser tasted like a few generations ago before Prohibition and then the light beer craze ruined American beer for decades.  I made a "real" American Pilsner last fall and it was pretty awesome.
 
2013-03-04 01:41:59 PM

stlbluez: My brother has been working at that brewery for over 30 years.
Hes told me numerious times about the cost-cutting, the weirdness...
Their beloved Mich Ultra.. Bud Selects, etc... are watered down EXACTLY as the lawsuit describes.  water + extra carbonation = fewer calories... and inexplicably more expensive.

They use about half the beechwood they used to in their 'beechwood aging'.. and they age it for half as long.
Often times if a beer has some problems or irregularities.. it's 'changed'.  Bud can become busch.. busch or even bud light can become natty light, etc... with a few additives.

He's hoping this lawsuit sheds some light on the process...  even though the alcohol content motivation doesn't hold water, in his opinon.

I keep trying to tell him... dude.. no one cares.  People know what they're getting. Thats why there's  a 6 of some kind of IPA or unfiltered wheat in my fridge along with the 30pack of busch light :)


I just don't get why people are so adamant about how awful Budweiser is when beer works the same way pretty much all food works. You can pay more and go to the farmers market and get apples that taste good, or you can pay $1/lb for bright red, long shelf life apples that taste horrible. Things get even worse the more processed the food is. Manufacturers want to make money- you can make money by 1. selling more, 2. selling for more $, or 3. by cutting your costs. The big successful guys do the first and the last, local farmers or small manufacturers have to do #2.

/I would rather buy 6 good tasting beers than 24 not good tasting beers, but I am a lightweight midget who drinks like 2 beers a week.
 
2013-03-04 01:42:49 PM

MaxxLarge: The biggest mystery about this whole thing is that anyone expected American beer to be any good in the first place.


Sam Adams would like a word
 
2013-03-04 01:43:02 PM
I must snob this thread up a little bit. Just had this the other night. Awesome sauce. Great IPA, not too strong and great taste.

Btw I'm sure A-B owns some great little beer companies, but their high volume stuff is indeed piss.

i-cdn.apartmenttherapy.com
 
2013-03-04 01:43:48 PM
Slam down a couple of these and you won't notice a lack of taste - in the beer or yourself
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Bf+
2013-03-04 01:43:54 PM
CSB time...
I was waiting (drinking) at an airport bar between flights.  A guy sits down at the bar and orders a bud light.  The bartender explains they don't have that particular beer.  The guy replies, "just give me whatever is closest."  The bartender, wearing the largest of grins, serves him a glass of water.  Everyone at the bar bursts into laughter... except the one guy.  He was not so pleased.  Which kinda made it funnier.
 
2013-03-04 01:44:02 PM

uttertosh: Treygreen13: Very nice. You're going to have them on the hook for at least an hour now

I was trolling with the "intellectual honesty" line, like, 2 summers ago. Pfffffft... (that was me opening a Tennants lager, not making a derisory lip-noise)


Tennants? I've got a buddy trying to get his hands on some of that. I've never been able to find it in the states though.
 
2013-03-04 01:44:29 PM

Mr. Titanium: blatz514: MaxxLarge: blatz514: You watch your whore mouth!

Dude. I grew UP in Milwaukee. Lived there for 32 years. I get it.

Still, the only instances wherein I could stomach the local product was the two times I took out-of-town friends on the Miller tour, and got the free samples at the end. When their swill is tapped directly from the lines where it's ridiculously fresh, it's actually passable. Other than that, the cloying, skunky, corn-mash sour-sweetness of it is just unpalatable.

I was just joking.  Blatz was the only shiat I could afford during college and the coming years after.

I doubt it, unless you are a lot older than you look over the internet.  Blatz was bought out and shut down in the early 60's.  The name was resurrected for cheap-beer-of-the-week, just like so many other venerable names, but it wasn't real Blatz.


Real Blatz...fake Blatz.  It was only $7.00 a case.  This would have been early 2000's.  It got me by.
 
2013-03-04 01:44:36 PM
Budweiser has been mocking real beer for decades.
 
2013-03-04 01:45:09 PM
I've got news for those lawsuit-happy people.  There's not a single drink (alcoholic or non-alcoholic) that isn't made from water..in some way.  Milk..the cow drinks water.  Soft drinks..carbonated water is the base ingredient.  Kool-Aid...guess what...water & flavored sugar.  Even your favorite Scotch is made from filtered water.

Water is a basic element on this Earth & everything we drink is based upon that..  NOTHING you drink doesn't contain water!

/Prove me wrong!
 
2013-03-04 01:45:51 PM
I inject hops directly into my eyeballs. The rest of you are pussies.
 
2013-03-04 01:45:55 PM

MaxxLarge: The biggest mystery about this whole thing is that anyone expected American beer to be any good in the first place.


AB is not an American beer company. There are good American beers. Give sprecher, yeunglings, or Sam Adams a try.
 
2013-03-04 01:46:12 PM

bdub77: I must snob this thread up a little bit. Just had this the other night. Awesome sauce. Great IPA, not too strong and great taste.

Btw I'm sure A-B owns some great little beer companies, but their high volume stuff is indeed piss.

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copy that

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2013-03-04 01:46:15 PM
This will be the event that finally reveals to the world that Budweiser is little more than the Missouri River-fermented urine of the homeless and drunk in Kansas City.
 
2013-03-04 01:46:40 PM

FatherChaos: According to foodandnutritionmagazine.org,

The typical American beer ranges from 90 percent to 94 percent water and averages 4.6 percent alcohol by volume

Having sex in a canoe?


What are the stats for say, Dogfish Head?
 
Bf+
2013-03-04 01:47:46 PM

HaywoodJablonski: FatherChaos: According to foodandnutritionmagazine.org,

The typical American beer ranges from 90 percent to 94 percent water and averages 4.6 percent alcohol by volume

Having sex in a canoe?

What are the stats for say, Dogfish Head?


60 or 90?
 
2013-03-04 01:48:19 PM
I'm going to guess that they might water the beer down to the stated % alcohol content, but not lower than. Whether the litigants have merely got the wrong end of the stick or if there's some sneaky reputational sabotage at play is another issue.
 
2013-03-04 01:48:54 PM
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2013-03-04 01:49:18 PM

Bf+: HaywoodJablonski: FatherChaos: According to foodandnutritionmagazine.org,

The typical American beer ranges from 90 percent to 94 percent water and averages 4.6 percent alcohol by volume

Having sex in a canoe?

What are the stats for say, Dogfish Head?

60 or 90?


Dealers choice
 
2013-03-04 01:49:42 PM
What % is piss?
 
2013-03-04 01:51:20 PM
"there's no accounting for taste" said the old woman as she bent to kiss her cow.
 
2013-03-04 01:53:39 PM

SR117Nighthawk: I've got news for those lawsuit-happy people.  There's not a single drink (alcoholic or non-alcoholic) that isn't made from water..in some way.  Milk..the cow drinks water.  Soft drinks..carbonated water is the base ingredient.  Kool-Aid...guess what...water & flavored sugar.  Even your favorite Scotch is made from filtered water.

Water is a basic element on this Earth & everything we drink is based upon that..  NOTHING you drink doesn't contain water!

/Prove me wrong!


Yea the only thing I can think of would be pure ethanol, but even the ethanol we'd have in a lab has some water in it. If you get juice straight from the fruit then that is 100% fruit juice, but since fruit contains water it is still water.

I don't think it is because "water is a basic element" since water is two elements, but more like "water is the only non-poison liquid"
 
2013-03-04 01:53:48 PM
Tastes in beer is like taste in women: mine are great, yours suck.
 
2013-03-04 01:54:05 PM
Jim Koch has been quoted (paraphrasing) that he respects AB because no matter where in the world you are, regardless of what brewery it came from, The Budweiser always tastes exactly the same.

Does ANYONE  know how hard that is to do?
 
2013-03-04 01:54:38 PM
I like Budweiser. I like Guinness. I like New Castle. I like local IPA. I like Amber Ale from your town. I like Scotch Ale. I like many different varieties of beer.
 
2013-03-04 01:55:20 PM

CaptainBeer: Jim Koch has been quoted (paraphrasing) that he respects AB because no matter where in the world you are, regardless of what brewery it came from, The Budweiser always tastes exactly the same.

Does ANYONE  know how hard that is to do?


Yea I agree with that.. all the chemical engineers I know have a hard-on for AB because of the amazing manufacturing...
 
2013-03-04 01:56:02 PM
Since we're headed to beer snob territory, let me say I'm loving Chimay's output. I'm to the point where I'd rather save up and buy that than get the latest craft beer coming out. I'm starting to think craft beer is a little oversaturated within its niche.
 
2013-03-04 01:56:06 PM
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Best. Ever.
 
2013-03-04 01:56:07 PM

LeroyBourne: WI guy huh? You're probably no stranger to yummy New Glarus beers.


MaxxLarge: F*cking relax. My favorite beer in the world happens to be New Glarus Wisconsin Belgian Red...a.k.a., a stateside craft brew.

 
2013-03-04 01:57:01 PM

Treygreen13: uttertosh: Treygreen13: Very nice. You're going to have them on the hook for at least an hour now

I was trolling with the "intellectual honesty" line, like, 2 summers ago. Pfffffft... (that was me opening a Tennants lager, not making a derisory lip-noise)

Tennants? I've got a buddy trying to get his hands on some of that. I've never been able to find it in the states though.


Try it warm on a summers day. It has a similar metallic aftertwang as drinking cold heinz spagetti hoops. From the can. Not the same consistency, but the taste is actually very similar. (attended the first 3 T-in-the-Park's) I'll not be surprised when it takes the american hipster lager scene by storm. It's that scummy.

Way nicer, more flavoursome than Bud, though. It scares me that I'd really actually choose tennants lager over a budwiser. I need a shower now. :-/
 
2013-03-04 01:57:27 PM
Oh and I will say that if I could have an apartment above Rogue's tasting room, I would.
 
2013-03-04 01:57:51 PM

MaxxLarge: adamgreeney: Bell's. And Founders. Both here in MI, both incredible. Hell, Bell's Hopslam is the top rated IPA in the world. So you shut your mouth

StaleCoffee:+2 post of derping

envirovore: Not sure if trolling or just stupid.

F*cking relax. My favorite beer in the world happens to be New Glarus Wisconsin Belgian Red...a.k.a., a stateside craft brew. I mean Big-Beverage MACRObrews, and having some intellectual honesty means you knew that. So can the mock outrage.


You said "American beer" not macro brews, so what the fark did you expect? You would have done better with the troll angle instead of this whiny indignant backpedal bullshiat.

The macro-brew crap is less about American taste preference and more about our farked up distribution and retail system, anyway.
 
2013-03-04 02:00:08 PM

Carn: They're not watered down like we're thinking, but I have read in my beer magazines that sometimes the big breweries brew concentrated batches then add water after fermentation.


That's not what the lawsuit is alleging though.  It's alleging that the company is shipping beer that's 3-8% less alcohol than specified on the can.

For a 4% beer, that would be 3.88-3.68% alcohol instead.  It'd 'round' to 4%, which might be how InBev(that bought Bush) thinks it can get away with it.
 
2013-03-04 02:01:54 PM

Source4leko: A friend once brought a 6 pack of bud light to a party.  As we opened each of the bottles, we realized that there never was and never had been beer in any of them, just very pure and good tasting water.  I was more pleased with that then if there had been beer in the bottles.  Shortly after this we realized we should have kept one capped and tried to get our money back or something, but we had already had many much better tasting beers before that.

/csb



www.fjcruiserforums.com

Approves.
 
2013-03-04 02:02:27 PM
It amazes me how many people either look for pictures of beer or just take a picture before drinking it. Same shot too. Full beer next to the bottle. But we never see anyone enjoying a beer, or the after affects of the beer.
 
2013-03-04 02:02:40 PM

Citrate1007: What % is piss?


100%
 
2013-03-04 02:04:48 PM
To be fair to "American Beer", macro brews everywhere suck at an equal level.  I'm looking at you Carlsberg.

/A.B. is capable of making great beer.  I have had some.  When they decided to get in on the craft brew fad they started trying out some recipes that were available near the breweries.  Those beers were good.  Then they had to figure out how to make them cheap.  Those beers are not so good.
 
2013-03-04 02:05:20 PM

Gifted Many Few: It amazes me how many people either look for pictures of beer or just take a picture before drinking it. Same shot too. Full beer next to the bottle. But we never see anyone enjoying a beer, or the after affects of the beer.


patrishka.files.wordpress.com

/may also include infanticide
 
2013-03-04 02:06:33 PM
A local Lager I grew up on. It was a sort of a Michelob Lite, Bud Select had a more bodied flavor, but like it.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0IYUXWn3UY

This ad was during the Rainier/Olympia beer wars

/got gout...can't touch it
//I'd die for a Michelob non-alky bottle
///always a bottle;never a can
 
2013-03-04 02:07:14 PM

Gifted Many Few: It amazes me how many people either look for pictures of beer or just take a picture before drinking it. Same shot too. Full beer next to the bottle. But we never see anyone enjoying a beer, or the after affects of the beer.


then the post wouldn't be about the beer. It would then be about the particular person or the effects...therefore missing the point of the thread.
 
2013-03-04 02:08:09 PM

ccundiff: To be fair to "American Beer", macro brews everywhere suck at an equal level.  I'm looking at you Carlsberg.

/A.B. is capable of making great beer.  I have had some.  When they decided to get in on the craft brew fad they started trying out some recipes that were available near the breweries.  Those beers were good.  Then they had to figure out how to make them cheap.  Those beers are not so good.


When they decided to get into the craft brew fad, they just bought Goose Island

/true story
 
2013-03-04 02:10:10 PM

CaptainBeer: Jim Koch has been quoted (paraphrasing) that he respects AB because no matter where in the world you are, regardless of what brewery it came from, The Budweiser always tastes exactly the same.

Does ANYONE  know how hard that is to do?


Ol' Jim can take a flying fark, 'cause I DON'T CARE.
 
2013-03-04 02:13:59 PM

MaxxLarge: LeroyBourne: WI guy huh? You're probably no stranger to yummy New Glarus beers.

MaxxLarge: F*cking relax. My favorite beer in the world happens to be New Glarus Wisconsin Belgian Red...a.k.a., a stateside craft brew.




I have a 6 pack of their black top in my refrigerator right now . I'm not much of a fan of IPAs, but I tried it and love it. It's a shame they can't sell their stuff in MN, but it's probably better to keep their operation local and smaller, plus I don't mind traveling across the border for the stuff.
 
2013-03-04 02:14:00 PM

Firethorn: Carn: They're not watered down like we're thinking, but I have read in my beer magazines that sometimes the big breweries brew concentrated batches then add water after fermentation.

That's not what the lawsuit is alleging though.  It's alleging that the company is shipping beer that's 3-8% less alcohol than specified on the can.

For a 4% beer, that would be 3.88-3.68% alcohol instead.  It'd 'round' to 4%, which might be how InBev(that bought Bush) thinks it can get away with it.


Alright, that's kinda crappy.  I wonder how they do their calculations internally for ABV?  Digital Refractomers and an equation?  When brewing on such a large scale, the tiniest of rounding errors could result in that amount of difference.  However, unless they very recently changed their recipe or methods, there's no reason why they shouldn't be matching whatever recipe, unless their ingredients have changed and they have not adjusted the recipe to make up for it.
 
2013-03-04 02:14:01 PM

Two16: /may also include infanticide


I thought Monsanto were working on that, not A-B...
 
2013-03-04 02:14:01 PM
I like all beers, especially when they're given to me free, except Miller for some reason. That said though, I've imposed on myself a limit of no more than 6 Fat Tires per side, during a brake job. It turned a 1 hr easy job trying to learn the bro in-law some autos into a 1.5 hr area wide search for the correct 18mm 1/2" socket after 2 of them broke. To mitigate this in the future, I now have air tool goodness, more sizes of breaker bars, and better sockets. So in reality, it was really my lack of 1/2" tools that was the problem.

/Normally, I don't drink when doing extra boring brake jobs, but when I do...
 
2013-03-04 02:14:28 PM

spidermilk: SR117Nighthawk: I've got news for those lawsuit-happy people.  There's not a single drink (alcoholic or non-alcoholic) that isn't made from water..in some way.  Milk..the cow drinks water.  Soft drinks..carbonated water is the base ingredient.  Kool-Aid...guess what...water & flavored sugar.  Even your favorite Scotch is made from filtered water.

Water is a basic element on this Earth & everything we drink is based upon that..  NOTHING you drink doesn't contain water!

/Prove me wrong!

Yea the only thing I can think of would be pure ethanol, but even the ethanol we'd have in a lab has some water in it. If you get juice straight from the fruit then that is 100% fruit juice, but since fruit contains water it is still water.

I don't think it is because "water is a basic element" since water is two elements, but more like "water is the only non-poison liquid"


but... but... too much water will give you water intoxication (aka water poisoning)!
 
2013-03-04 02:17:16 PM

StaleCoffee: MaxxLarge: adamgreeney: Bell's. And Founders. Both here in MI, both incredible. Hell, Bell's Hopslam is the top rated IPA in the world. So you shut your mouth

StaleCoffee:+2 post of derping

envirovore: Not sure if trolling or just stupid.

F*cking relax. My favorite beer in the world happens to be New Glarus Wisconsin Belgian Red...a.k.a., a stateside craft brew. I mean Big-Beverage MACRObrews, and having some intellectual honesty means you knew that. So can the mock outrage.

You said "American beer" not macro brews, so what the fark did you expect? You would have done better with the troll angle instead of this whiny indignant backpedal bullshiat.

The macro-brew crap is less about American taste preference and more about our farked up distribution and retail system, anyway.


Which American macrobrews are we talking about? Because the ones I can name are all owned by multinationals now.
 
2013-03-04 02:19:01 PM

MaxxLarge: The biggest mystery about this whole thing is that anyone expected American beer to be any good in the first place.


technically, it's now a multi-national beer.
 
2013-03-04 02:20:10 PM

Carn: They're not watered down like we're thinking, but I have read in my beer magazines that sometimes the big breweries brew concentrated batches then add water after fermentation.  This means they can make more beer in a smaller space.


There has been a long-standing brewing technique in which the grains are mashed twice.  The first runnings contain more sugar then the second and thusly will provide more food for yeast to turn it into alcohol.

If AB was looking to be more efficient with materials it would make sense to use this method so that the second runnings come in at their advertised ABV and the first runnings can be watered down to meet the advertised ABV.

The taste would be different between the two resulting batches, but not so much that most folks would notice.  This I think is where there's a toe-hold for the lawsuit as well as long-time Bud drinkers that have stated that it tastes different as of late but just can't put what it is into words.
 
2013-03-04 02:20:19 PM
 Jim Koch has been quoted (paraphrasing) that he respects AB because no matter where in the world you are, regardless of what brewery it came from, The Budweiser always tastes exactly the same.

Does ANYONE  know how hard that is to do?


Yea I agree with that.. all the chemical engineers I know have a hard-on for AB because of the amazing manufacturing...
That sounds like a back-handed compliment, but I'll take it anyhow. Cheers!
 
2013-03-04 02:23:17 PM

StaleCoffee: You said "American beer" not macro brews, so what the fark did you expect?


I dunno...That people around here are bright enough to understand things like a given framework of contextual reference?

If an article talks about a quality decline in GM products, and someone says, "Yeah...American cars suck," You pretty much assume they're referring to big-three Detroit products. So if you feel compelled to chime in with "You go straight to hell! The Tesla Model S is AWESOME!", then you're pretty much just a guy who enjoys getting pissed off over what he THINKS someone said.
 
2013-03-04 02:23:33 PM

adamgreeney: MaxxLarge: The biggest mystery about this whole thing is that anyone expected American beer to be any good in the first place.

Bell's. And Founders. Both here in MI, both incredible. Hell, Bell's Hopslam is the top rated IPA in the world. So you shut your mouth


Founders is the best ever. Their porter is stupidly good.
 
2013-03-04 02:24:50 PM
 
2013-03-04 02:25:26 PM

Horsebolt McStabledoor: bdub77: I must snob this thread up a little bit. Just had this the other night. Awesome sauce. Great IPA, not too strong and great taste.

Btw I'm sure A-B owns some great little beer companies, but their high volume stuff is indeed piss.

[i-cdn.apartmenttherapy.com image 540x359]

copy that


Arrogant Bastard Ale is a case of popularity-by-label. That stuff is ok, but it's entirely middle of the road by craft standards.
 
2013-03-04 02:25:33 PM
This was a stupid non-story to begin with. It's stupidly simple to prove/disprove and was answered almost immediately.
 
2013-03-04 02:26:58 PM

stlbluez: My brother has been working at that brewery for over 30 years.
Hes told me numerious times about the cost-cutting, the weirdness...
Their beloved Mich Ultra.. Bud Selects, etc... are watered down EXACTLY as the lawsuit describes.  water + extra carbonation = fewer calories... and inexplicably more expensive.

They use about half the beechwood they used to in their 'beechwood aging'.. and they age it for half as long.
Often times if a beer has some problems or irregularities.. it's 'changed'.  Bud can become busch.. busch or even bud light can become natty light, etc... with a few additives.

He's hoping this lawsuit sheds some light on the process...  even though the alcohol content motivation doesn't hold water, in his opinon.

I keep trying to tell him... dude.. no one cares.  People know what they're getting. Thats why there's  a 6 of some kind of IPA or unfiltered wheat in my fridge along with the 30pack of busch light :)


stop spewing lies.. it has been proven (even on fark thread recently) that Budweiser are NOT watered down. I'm not saying Bud is the top 5 greatest lager or anything but it is certainly not watered down.
 
2013-03-04 02:32:55 PM

SuperNinjaToad: stlbluez: My brother has been working at that brewery for over 30 years.
Hes told me numerious times about the cost-cutting, the weirdness...
Their beloved Mich Ultra.. Bud Selects, etc... are watered down EXACTLY as the lawsuit describes.  water + extra carbonation = fewer calories... and inexplicably more expensive.

They use about half the beechwood they used to in their 'beechwood aging'.. and they age it for half as long.
Often times if a beer has some problems or irregularities.. it's 'changed'.  Bud can become busch.. busch or even bud light can become natty light, etc... with a few additives.

He's hoping this lawsuit sheds some light on the process...  even though the alcohol content motivation doesn't hold water, in his opinon.

I keep trying to tell him... dude.. no one cares.  People know what they're getting. Thats why there's  a 6 of some kind of IPA or unfiltered wheat in my fridge along with the 30pack of busch light :)

stop spewing lies.. it has been proven (even on fark thread recently) that Budweiser are NOT watered down. I'm not saying Bud is the top 5 greatest lager or anything but it is certainly not watered down


STOP NOT READING. Budweiser may very well not be.
Mich ultra... Bud Select.. Bud select 55... are  definitely watered down to achieve the low calorie effect.
 
2013-03-04 02:33:03 PM
Cascade, Madame Rose, Liefmans Cuvee, Southern Tier Unearthly  IPA. I could go on.

But I won't
 
2013-03-04 02:34:35 PM

DarkSoulNoHope: JackieRabbit: A-B doesn't add water to their beer. I thought everyone knew that they added horse piss.

And it's amazing!

[img104.imageshack.us image 850x492]


Sweet lemon aid, OH Sweet Le Mon Aid
 
2013-03-04 02:39:37 PM
i306.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-04 02:40:17 PM

Carn: Firethorn: Carn: They're not watered down like we're thinking, but I have read in my beer magazines that sometimes the big breweries brew concentrated batches then add water after fermentation.

That's not what the lawsuit is alleging though.  It's alleging that the company is shipping beer that's 3-8% less alcohol than specified on the can.

For a 4% beer, that would be 3.88-3.68% alcohol instead.  It'd 'round' to 4%, which might be how InBev(that bought Bush) thinks it can get away with it.

Alright, that's kinda crappy.  I wonder how they do their calculations internally for ABV?  Digital Refractomers and an equation?  When brewing on such a large scale, the tiniest of rounding errors could result in that amount of difference.  However, unless they very recently changed their recipe or methods, there's no reason why they shouldn't be matching whatever recipe, unless their ingredients have changed and they have not adjusted the recipe to make up for it.


The official method is distillation. GC-FID and HPLC work well, too, but I don't think they are included in the standard.
 
2013-03-04 02:42:22 PM
I used to work for AB as a brewing engineer. Budweiser gets such a light flavor because they use rice in addition to malt. German and european beers don't use rice. Interestingly, though, rice has a few properties that are "superior" from a brewing chemistry point of view, such as available sugar and water content. And yes, they do water it down. They brew to a slightly higher concentration, then bring the alcohol and carbonation and protein levels to spec levels in the finishing process. I assume any large scale brewer does this. And when they blow it, if it's only a little blown, it becomes busch, natty, etc. Busch and Natty and the like are made with corn and malt, but also have a wider spec tolerance.

I don't really get the Budweiser hate. It's a simple beer. It isn't Bells or Lagunitas or Dogfish Head. But it does the job and it's cheaper. However since their acquisition by Inbev, an obnoxious company, I have switched my gets-the-job-done beer to yuengling. Poor St Louis.
 
2013-03-04 02:42:47 PM

spidermilk: /I would rather buy 6 good tasting beers than 24 not good tasting beers, but I am a lightweight midget who drinks like 2 beers a week.


Psh! 40s is where it is at if that is the case.

www.polyvore.comwww.polyvore.comwww.polyvore.com
ecx.images-amazon.comsouperserver.comwww.luanawines.com
i665.photobucket.comwww.40ouncebeer.com
 
2013-03-04 02:52:16 PM

stlbluez: SuperNinjaToad: stlbluez: My brother has been working at that brewery for over 30 years.
Hes told me numerious times about the cost-cutting, the weirdness...
Their beloved Mich Ultra.. Bud Selects, etc... are watered down EXACTLY as the lawsuit describes.  water + extra carbonation = fewer calories... and inexplicably more expensive.

They use about half the beechwood they used to in their 'beechwood aging'.. and they age it for half as long.
Often times if a beer has some problems or irregularities.. it's 'changed'.  Bud can become busch.. busch or even bud light can become natty light, etc... with a few additives.

He's hoping this lawsuit sheds some light on the process...  even though the alcohol content motivation doesn't hold water, in his opinon.

I keep trying to tell him... dude.. no one cares.  People know what they're getting. Thats why there's  a 6 of some kind of IPA or unfiltered wheat in my fridge along with the 30pack of busch light :)

stop spewing lies.. it has been proven (even on fark thread recently) that Budweiser are NOT watered down. I'm not saying Bud is the top 5 greatest lager or anything but it is certainly not watered down

STOP NOT READING. Budweiser may very well not be.
Mich ultra... Bud Select.. Bud select 55... are  definitely watered down to achieve the low calorie effect.


Correction:  They are diluted within consistent industry practice and labeled correctly.

Kind of like how "low fat" usually means "high sugar" and "low sugar" just means "sweetened with indigestible sweeteners", they are not "watered down" compared to the label, just compared to other lines of product.
 
2013-03-04 02:52:48 PM
Quick question... i didn't think beer even had to have a stated alcohol content?  I thought that was just higher-alcohol stuff like wine and liquor.

I haven't had a beer in a very long time, I'm a wine or vodka guy.

If this is true, what does it matter.  If they want to make Budweiser now have 4% rather than 5%... and they don't state anything on the package... how is that misleading?
 
2013-03-04 02:56:32 PM

stlbluez: SuperNinjaToad: stlbluez: My brother has been working at that brewery for over 30 years.
Hes told me numerious times about the cost-cutting, the weirdness...
Their beloved Mich Ultra.. Bud Selects, etc... are watered down EXACTLY as the lawsuit describes.  water + extra carbonation = fewer calories... and inexplicably more expensive.

They use about half the beechwood they used to in their 'beechwood aging'.. and they age it for half as long.
Often times if a beer has some problems or irregularities.. it's 'changed'.  Bud can become busch.. busch or even bud light can become natty light, etc... with a few additives.

He's hoping this lawsuit sheds some light on the process...  even though the alcohol content motivation doesn't hold water, in his opinon.

I keep trying to tell him... dude.. no one cares.  People know what they're getting. Thats why there's  a 6 of some kind of IPA or unfiltered wheat in my fridge along with the 30pack of busch light :)

stop spewing lies.. it has been proven (even on fark thread recently) that Budweiser are NOT watered down. I'm not saying Bud is the top 5 greatest lager or anything but it is certainly not watered down

STOP NOT READING. Budweiser may very well not be.
Mich ultra... Bud Select.. Bud select 55... are  definitely watered down to achieve the low calorie effect.


Low cal in beer mostly means low alcohol. That's just how it is. It isn't false advertising. Now, they aren't keen on labeling the % alcohol for those ones (did I read 55 is like 2.7%?), but that info is out there. I don't understand why there isn't more labeling in general. I worked at the brewery in 2006 and I thought they were gearing up for food-style labeling then (calories, % alc, sugar, salt, etc) ... musta worked some magic lobbying to stall that.
 
2013-03-04 02:57:51 PM
I wonder what the Venn diagram for beer snobs and free market adherents would look like? Because those in the intersection need to seriously ponder the question: "If my taste in beer is so great, then why does Budweiser sell more beer in a minute than my favorite company will in a year?"

/I'm sure the mental gymnastics for the resulting rationalization will be worthy of the Olympics.
 
2013-03-04 02:58:09 PM

MadameX: Slam down a couple of these and you won't notice a lack of taste - in the beer or yourself
[i911.photobucket.com image 150x300]


It sits heavy.
 
2013-03-04 02:58:49 PM
AB  got into the craft market by first buying Redhook.  Also most industrial brewers "water their beer down".  As was stated above most brew a to a higher concentration and water to spec.  Coors, before building or buying other brewers use to ship their concentrate by rail car to be watered down and canned locally.

/would love me some Stone, Bear Republic.
//Can't get them in OK so we drink local.
 
2013-03-04 03:07:40 PM
well I guess if it makes anyone feel better Budlight is better tasting than Coors Light.
 
2013-03-04 03:10:37 PM

Private_Citizen: I wonder what the Venn diagram for beer snobs and free market adherents would look like? Because those in the intersection need to seriously ponder the question: "If my taste in beer is so great, then why does Budweiser sell more beer in a minute than my favorite company will in a year?"

/I'm sure the mental gymnastics for the resulting rationalization will be worthy of the Olympics.


memeorama.com
 
2013-03-04 03:12:15 PM

Private_Citizen: I wonder what the Venn diagram for beer snobs and free market adherents would look like? Because those in the intersection need to seriously ponder the question: "If my taste in beer is so great, then why does Budweiser sell more beer in a minute than my favorite company will in a year?"

/I'm sure the mental gymnastics for the resulting rationalization will be worthy of the Olympics.


So Justin Bieber is the best? McDonald's is the best?

Come on.
 
2013-03-04 03:13:23 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Horsebolt McStabledoor: bdub77: I must snob this thread up a little bit. Just had this the other night. Awesome sauce. Great IPA, not too strong and great taste.

Btw I'm sure A-B owns some great little beer companies, but their high volume stuff is indeed piss.

[i-cdn.apartmenttherapy.com image 540x359]

copy that

Arrogant Bastard Ale is a case of popularity-by-label. That stuff is ok, but it's entirely middle of the road by craft standards.


You are entitled to your opinion, no matter how wrong it may be.
 
2013-03-04 03:19:47 PM

Private_Citizen: I wonder what the Venn diagram for beer snobs and free market adherents would look like? Because those in the intersection need to seriously ponder the question: "If my taste in beer is so great, then why does Budweiser sell more beer in a minute than my favorite company will in a year?"

/I'm sure the mental gymnastics for the resulting rationalization will be worthy of the Olympics.


Because 95% of people are morons?
 
2013-03-04 03:19:52 PM

busy chillin': Private_Citizen: I wonder what the Venn diagram for beer snobs and free market adherents would look like? Because those in the intersection need to seriously ponder the question: "If my taste in beer is so great, then why does Budweiser sell more beer in a minute than my favorite company will in a year?"

/I'm sure the mental gymnastics for the resulting rationalization will be worthy of the Olympics.

So Justin Bieber is the best? McDonald's is the best?

Come on.


Come see me again when Bieber has been a market leader for 100+ years. As for McDonalds, it's the most popular burger on the planet. It's not my choice, but it is the choice of the Market.
 
2013-03-04 03:23:23 PM

thewulf: Private_Citizen: I wonder what the Venn diagram for beer snobs and free market adherents would look like? Because those in the intersection need to seriously ponder the question: "If my taste in beer is so great, then why does Budweiser sell more beer in a minute than my favorite company will in a year?"

/I'm sure the mental gymnastics for the resulting rationalization will be worthy of the Olympics.

Because 95% of people are morons?


Or perhaps your taste in beers is not the same as the vast majority. That's how the market works.

/being obscure/rare/expensive is not the same as being good - no matter what you've been told.
 
2013-03-04 03:24:50 PM
This thread makes me want to go buy some McDonald's fries and eat them while drinking the 24oz of Bud Select I bought at a gas station last week to keep my buzz going.

As an aside, am I the only person (in the vein of hearing a song played at a bar and yelling "this is my JAM!") who will see a particular spigot-head at a bar and loudly exclaim "You guys have (xx) on tap? That shiat is my BEER!"

/Goose Island 312 is my karaoke fuel
 
2013-03-04 03:26:56 PM
My last drinking night this past weekend I decided to spread out and try a few things.  I bought me some Stone ale and Commodore perry (Great lakes brewery).  I learned that any man who drinks IPA's should be shot on site.  When you need to chase a beer with soda then something went wrong.  Stone ale I didn't like either but wasn't nearly as strong.  Maybe I am adjusted to light lager and just need time to get into IPA's.  I also tried another beer called Shiners that was pretty good.  I need to get me some Newcastle Brown ale for my next drinking night.   That there is some good beer.
 
2013-03-04 03:29:01 PM

Horsebolt McStabledoor: also
[germanknucklecakes.files.wordpress.com image 500x375]


YAY Goose Island !
 
2013-03-04 03:30:10 PM

5 star chef of tv dinners: I learned that any man who drinks IPA's should be shot on site. When you need to chase a beer with soda then something went wrong.


Give it time. It's like the first time you tried beer and went "UGH NASTY" and then now you drink it all the time.

5 star chef of tv dinners: I also tried another beer called Shiners that was pretty good.


Presumably you had a Shiner Bock, the unofficial beer of Texas. A classic.
 
2013-03-04 03:30:30 PM

MaxxLarge: StaleCoffee: You said "American beer" not macro brews, so what the fark did you expect?

I dunno...That people around here are bright enough to understand things like a given framework of contextual reference?

If an article talks about a quality decline in GM products, and someone says, "Yeah...American cars suck," You pretty much assume they're referring to big-three Detroit products. So if you feel compelled to chime in with "You go straight to hell! The Tesla Model S is AWESOME!", then you're pretty much just a guy who enjoys getting pissed off over what he THINKS someone said.


Sure thing. American food sucks. Everyone knows I'm talking about McDonalds, right?

So are you trying to yank my chain, or are you really using phrases like intellectual honesty and framework of contextual reference in a fark debate defending your comment that American beer sucks?

I'm not sure where we'll go with this. I'm just going to sit back and amuse myself with something for awhile, chilling out with a true brew from Stone Mill, hand crafted in the Californian buttes by ancient American Indians who passed on their traditions from generation to generation with your mom.
 
2013-03-04 03:33:01 PM

Qellaqan: I used to work for AB as a brewing engineer. Budweiser gets such a light flavor because they use rice in addition to malt. German and european beers don't use rice. Interestingly, though, rice has a few properties that are "superior" from a brewing chemistry point of view, such as available sugar and water content. And yes, they do water it down. They brew to a slightly higher concentration, then bring the alcohol and carbonation and protein levels to spec levels in the finishing process. I assume any large scale brewer does this. And when they blow it, if it's only a little blown, it becomes busch, natty, etc. Busch and Natty and the like are made with corn and malt, but also have a wider spec tolerance.

I don't really get the Budweiser hate. It's a simple beer. It isn't Bells or Lagunitas or Dogfish Head. But it does the job and it's cheaper. However since their acquisition by Inbev, an obnoxious company, I have switched my gets-the-job-done beer to yuengling. Poor St Louis.


They hate on it cause of some old canoe sex joke, which happens to come from a country who drinks their beer luke warm and as of late drink worse swill like Fosters.
 
2013-03-04 03:33:42 PM

L.D. Ablo: Beer snob thread!

I'm still in love with Racer 5.  It's too easy to cruise right through a six pack.


My girlfriend didn't think she liked beer. Then, on a date, I ordered a Racer 5 at the restaurant we were at. I offered her a sip and she instantly asked to trade drinks. I obliged and it turned into her becoming adventurous with beer and a new interest for us to share. For some reason a lot of people I know think that shiatty mass produced light lagers are the way to go for people who don't like beer very much instead of showing them what else is out there because it isn't too strong or flavorful. In reality they may just not like that kind of beer, and low quality versions of it aren't going to win them over.
 
2013-03-04 03:34:06 PM
 
2013-03-04 03:43:36 PM
This is the best beer on the planet:
upload.wikimedia.org
Fark Budweiser.
 
2013-03-04 03:44:38 PM

adamgreeney: MaxxLarge: The biggest mystery about this whole thing is that anyone expected American beer to be any good in the first place.

Bell's. And Founders. Both here in MI, both incredible. Hell, Bell's Hopslam is the top rated IPA in the world. So you shut your mouth


I love me some Bell's Hopslam!  If you likeIPAs, try O'so Hopdinger or Hop Whoopin.  There's a local brew pub in my city that has great IPA's also.
 
2013-03-04 03:46:22 PM

Mr. Right: I thought everybody knew that Bud doesn't sell watered down beer.  They sell slightly beered up water.


LOL
 
2013-03-04 03:48:57 PM

Private_Citizen: thewulf: Private_Citizen: I wonder what the Venn diagram for beer snobs and free market adherents would look like? Because those in the intersection need to seriously ponder the question: "If my taste in beer is so great, then why does Budweiser sell more beer in a minute than my favorite company will in a year?"

/I'm sure the mental gymnastics for the resulting rationalization will be worthy of the Olympics.

Because 95% of people are morons?

Or perhaps your taste in beers is not the same as the vast majority. That's how the market works.

/being obscure/rare/expensive is not the same as being good - no matter what you've been told.


Wait... 95% of people AREN'T morons?

/4 tabs to your right. Go there. Say that.
 
2013-03-04 04:00:16 PM

Treygreen13: 5 star chef of tv dinners: I learned that any man who drinks IPA's should be shot on site. When you need to chase a beer with soda then something went wrong.

Give it time. It's like the first time you tried beer and went "UGH NASTY" and then now you drink it all the time.

5 star chef of tv dinners: I also tried another beer called Shiners that was pretty good.

Presumably you had a Shiner Bock, the unofficial beer of Texas. A classic.


You could be right.  It was my first time trying an IPA and I just didn't like it.  If I keep at it then hopefully it gets better.  Correct, Shiner Bock was the full name of that beer.  I know someone at the party mentioned it was from Texas.  It was a really good beer.  I made need to grab a case the next time I'm out.  A coworker recommend something called Polygamy porter from Utah.  I need to try and find that.
 
2013-03-04 04:06:01 PM

The Snow Dog: Private_Citizen: thewulf: Private_Citizen: I wonder what the Venn diagram for beer snobs and free market adherents would look like? Because those in the intersection need to seriously ponder the question: "If my taste in beer is so great, then why does Budweiser sell more beer in a minute than my favorite company will in a year?"

/I'm sure the mental gymnastics for the resulting rationalization will be worthy of the Olympics.

Because 95% of people are morons?

Or perhaps your taste in beers is not the same as the vast majority. That's how the market works.

/being obscure/rare/expensive is not the same as being good - no matter what you've been told.

Wait... 95% of people AREN'T morons?

/4 tabs to your right. Go there. Say that.


No, 95% of people aren't morons. It's a standard distribution, most roughly in the middle, with a few outliers. However, people who disagree with the vast majority often convince themselves they are smarter than all the rest, or in possesion of some secret knowledge - or they just dismiss the majority who disagree with them as "morons".

Here's my take: drink what YOU like. If someone else dosn't share your taste in beers, then take another sip of your beer and realize - taste varies and your opinion is no more valuable than thiers (well, except in the Market, where appealing to the majority can be very valuable indeed).
 
2013-03-04 04:10:41 PM
Sorry, but this is the best beer hands down.

www.heavenlyswords.com
 
2013-03-04 04:15:13 PM
Anyone else feel like it'd suck being a TA for an intro economics class and have to grade student essays?
 
2013-03-04 04:21:01 PM

adamgreeney: MaxxLarge: The biggest mystery about this whole thing is that anyone expected American beer to be any good in the first place.

Bell's. And Founders. Both here in MI, both incredible. Hell, Bell's Hopslam is the top rated IPA in the world. So you shut your mouth


I accidentally drank an entire 6-pack of Hopslam in a sitting last month. It was phenomenal. And I was shiatfaced.
 
2013-03-04 04:21:58 PM

CeroX: I don't get why A-B doesn't just own their clients... the low brow red neck trash of the US makes that company billions per year, yet they are constantly trying to reimage themselves, rebrand themselves, discredit claims of low quality, all to try and raise themselves a notch or 2 with the beer snob crowd...

Seriously A-B, and Miller, the two of you should embrace your clientele. Without the wife beaters and the gun freaks, without the 4x4 penis extensions, the cow nuts hanging from the bumpers, without the bleached damaged hair, and beer cozies with stupid slogans, and without nascar, where would you be?

Bankrupt and penniless that's where...

So BE PROUD of your clients american swill companies... and don't let the real craftsmen get you down, while they are perfecting the balance between hops and malt, you can laugh at their attempts all the way to the bank....


Are you one of the people who thinks stereotyping is wrong?
 
2013-03-04 04:30:03 PM

StaleCoffee: So are you trying to yank my chain, or are you really using phrases like intellectual honesty and framework of contextual reference in a fark debate defending your comment that American beer sucks?


Here are some more big words for you to look up: "Cognitive disconnect."
 
2013-03-04 04:34:43 PM

MaxxLarge: StaleCoffee: So are you trying to yank my chain, or are you really using phrases like intellectual honesty and framework of contextual reference in a fark debate defending your comment that American beer sucks?

Here are some more big words for you to look up: "Cognitive disconnect."


Which version of wikipedia should I use?
 
2013-03-04 04:53:37 PM

RedHeadLover: Sorry, but this is the best beer hands down.

[www.heavenlyswords.com image 702x1500]


Maybe, but I'm not really a fan of having zippers in my beer.
 
2013-03-04 04:58:51 PM
They must have been testing water instead of Budweiser.  I can understand the confusion, but really they should just admit the screw-up and apologize.
 
2013-03-04 05:43:31 PM

The Snow Dog: This is the best beer on the planet:
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Fark Budweiser.


I tried this recently. It's not half bad...compared to budwiser or Steel reserve, lol!

/prefer Stella Atrois when me and Mr Mafiageek1980 can afford it
 
2013-03-04 05:54:53 PM

5 star chef of tv dinners: Treygreen13: 5 star chef of tv dinners: I learned that any man who drinks IPA's should be shot on site. When you need to chase a beer with soda then something went wrong.

Give it time. It's like the first time you tried beer and went "UGH NASTY" and then now you drink it all the time.

5 star chef of tv dinners: I also tried another beer called Shiners that was pretty good.

Presumably you had a Shiner Bock, the unofficial beer of Texas. A classic.

You could be right.  It was my first time trying an IPA and I just didn't like it.  If I keep at it then hopefully it gets better.  Correct, Shiner Bock was the full name of that beer.  I know someone at the party mentioned it was from Texas.  It was a really good beer.  I made need to grab a case the next time I'm out.  A coworker recommend something called Polygamy porter from Utah.  I need to try and find that.


If you are new to IPA the Single Wide by Boulevard is very good. Not super hoppy but still hoppy of course.  It is easy to drink. If you get bolder you try the Double Wide. It is probably "Better" but it is pricey being a Double IPA.

The Modus Operandi and Ranger are more in your face IPA but super delicious as well. Summit Brewing makes a good one too, again, it isn't as strong, but smooth.  Also the Red Hook IPA is tasty. There are probably better ones, but those are the ones I like and recommend.

Cheers!
 
2013-03-04 05:55:01 PM
because ETOH is volitile and the lab probably did a shiatty sampling job.
 
2013-03-04 05:55:54 PM

CaptainBeer: Jim Koch has been quoted (paraphrasing) that he respects AB because no matter where in the world you are, regardless of what brewery it came from, The Budweiser always tastes exactly the same.

Does ANYONE  know how hard that is to do?


Yes.  Yes I do.  And it's waaay more involved than most people think.  Especially in this thread.
 
2013-03-04 06:07:36 PM

Private_Citizen: I wonder what the Venn diagram for beer snobs and free market adherents would look like? Because those in the intersection need to seriously ponder the question: "If my taste in beer is so great, then why does Budweiser sell more beer in a minute than my favorite company will in a year?"

/I'm sure the mental gymnastics for the resulting rationalization will be worthy of the Olympics.


Poorly worded, but true. People will one day wake up and realize that there is no free market in terms of beer, because the macro-breweries use their lobbyist money to keep micro-breweries and new craft breweries from expanding their market share with a variety of legal restrictions on activities of breweries and their distribution methods.
 
2013-03-04 06:22:01 PM

rebelyell2006: Private_Citizen: I wonder what the Venn diagram for beer snobs and free market adherents would look like? Because those in the intersection need to seriously ponder the question: "If my taste in beer is so great, then why does Budweiser sell more beer in a minute than my favorite company will in a year?"

/I'm sure the mental gymnastics for the resulting rationalization will be worthy of the Olympics.

Poorly worded, but true. People will one day wake up and realize that there is no free market in terms of beer, because the macro-breweries use their lobbyist money to keep micro-breweries and new craft breweries from expanding their market share with a variety of legal restrictions on activities of breweries and their distribution methods.


Maybe 10 years ago they could do that. As the free market would have it, there is currently a demand for craft beer from local brewers, and it is being met by local brewers. There used to be 1 brewery of note within driving distance for me - the Miller plant. Now I can take a bus to 11 active breweries, soon to be 17.
 
2013-03-04 06:34:31 PM
Have no issue with Bud or Bud Light.  If it's at my dad's and I forgot to hit the Beer Store or the LCBO, then it works in a pinch when fishing off the dock, cause that's what he buys when he knows we are visiting.  It's cheap, and he will have one or two.

I don't think I have a favourite though...there's too many I like...and too many I buy throughout the year depending on my mood.

In my fridge right now there's a six of Mill St. Organic and Granville Island Pale Ale

Others I like...

Stella
Steamwhistle
Mill St. Organic (probably closest to my fav) and the rest of the Mill St. lineup
Granville Island
Heineken (again, great for hanging out near the lake)
Innes and Gunn (original, blonde and rum finish are all great)
Hoegaarden
Sam Adams (love their winter and summer brews)
1664 Blanc
Rickards Red (white and dark too)
Sapporo (but only if I am having sushi)
Moretti (if I am having italian and don't feel like wine)

It's beer.  drink what you drink, like what you like, there's room for many.

/finally discovered Granville Island and their awesomeness
//Granville Island Lions Winter Ale FTW!
///English Bay Pale Ale also good stuff!
 
2013-03-04 07:14:14 PM

busy chillin': 5 star chef of tv dinners: Treygreen13: 5 star chef of tv dinners: I learned that any man who drinks IPA's should be shot on site. When you need to chase a beer with soda then something went wrong.

Give it time. It's like the first time you tried beer and went "UGH NASTY" and then now you drink it all the time.

5 star chef of tv dinners: I also tried another beer called Shiners that was pretty good.

Presumably you had a Shiner Bock, the unofficial beer of Texas. A classic.

You could be right.  It was my first time trying an IPA and I just didn't like it.  If I keep at it then hopefully it gets better.  Correct, Shiner Bock was the full name of that beer.  I know someone at the party mentioned it was from Texas.  It was a really good beer.  I made need to grab a case the next time I'm out.  A coworker recommend something called Polygamy porter from Utah.  I need to try and find that.

If you are new to IPA the Single Wide by Boulevard is very good. Not super hoppy but still hoppy of course.  It is easy to drink. If you get bolder you try the Double Wide. It is probably "Better" but it is pricey being a Double IPA.

The Modus Operandi and Ranger are more in your face IPA but super delicious as well. Summit Brewing makes a good one too, again, it isn't as strong, but smooth.  Also the Red Hook IPA is tasty. There are probably better ones, but those are the ones I like and recommend.

Cheers!


Interesting.  Thanks for the recommendations.  I will try to find them the next time I am out.
 
2013-03-04 09:38:01 PM
 
2013-03-05 02:26:08 AM

blatz514: MaxxLarge: The biggest mystery about this whole thing is that anyone expected American beer to be any good in the first place.

You watch your whore mouth!
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aleheads.files.wordpress.com

Agreed.
 
2013-03-05 05:08:56 AM

jehovahs witness protection: CeroX: I don't get why A-B doesn't just own their clients... the low brow red neck trash of the US makes that company billions per year, yet they are constantly trying to reimage themselves, rebrand themselves, discredit claims of low quality, all to try and raise themselves a notch or 2 with the beer snob crowd...

Seriously A-B, and Miller, the two of you should embrace your clientele. Without the wife beaters and the gun freaks, without the 4x4 penis extensions, the cow nuts hanging from the bumpers, without the bleached damaged hair, and beer cozies with stupid slogans, and without nascar, where would you be?

Bankrupt and penniless that's where...

So BE PROUD of your clients american swill companies... and don't let the real craftsmen get you down, while they are perfecting the balance between hops and malt, you can laugh at their attempts all the way to the bank....

Are you one of the people who thinks stereotyping is wrong?


I know this is late, but:

Only if you're being sincere....
 
2013-03-05 10:31:38 AM

CeroX: I don't get why A-B doesn't just own their clients... the low brow red neck trash of the US makes that company billions per year, yet they are constantly trying to reimage themselves, rebrand themselves, discredit claims of low quality, all to try and raise themselves a notch or 2 with the beer snob crowd...

Seriously A-B, and Miller, the two of you should embrace your clientele. Without the wife beaters and the gun freaks, without the 4x4 penis extensions, the cow nuts hanging from the bumpers, without the bleached damaged hair, and beer cozies with stupid slogans, and without nascar, where would you be?

Bankrupt and penniless that's where...

So BE PROUD of your clients american swill companies... and don't let the real craftsmen get you down, while they are perfecting the balance between hops and malt, you can laugh at their attempts all the way to the bank....


forums.pelicanparts.com

/Agrees
 
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