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(Entertainment Weekly)   Robert Kirkman discusses Clear, the most recent episode of The Walking Dead and arguably the best episode since the pilot (Spoilers, obviously)   (insidetv.ew.com) divider line 245
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2013-03-04 08:54:52 AM
So what was with that hiker on the road? Was he killed by walkers or hit by a car?
 
2013-03-04 08:58:12 AM

Because People in power are Stupid: So what was with that hiker on the road? Was he killed by walkers or hit by a car?


Looked like he was killed by walkers.

I hope Rick goes through the bag next episode and realizes the guy was a skilled surgeon or some other critical expert they could have used.
 
2013-03-04 09:02:33 AM
Morgan had quite the arsenal.

/Nuttier than a fruitcake and armed to the teeth.
 
2013-03-04 09:05:40 AM
In your mind, how far is the prison from Rick's home? Or is that something that we don't want to concern ourselves with too much?
Well...details! I don't know. Um, you know, less than a day's drive. I imagine that King County is aways north of Atlanta and the prison is aways south of Atlanta. So, you're looking at maybe a maximum four, five hour drive.


I was curious about that. I still really don't believe that a sheriff's deputy wouldn't know about a prison that size within a day's drive of his jurisdiction, but I'm willing to suspend disbelief on that point.
 
2013-03-04 09:08:10 AM
Or perhaps I should say a few hours' drive. You can get a long way in a day if the roads aren't blocked.
 
2013-03-04 09:14:05 AM

NeoCortex42: Because People in power are Stupid: So what was with that hiker on the road? Was he killed by walkers or hit by a car?

Looked like he was killed by walkers.

I hope Rick goes through the bag next episode and realizes the guy was a skilled surgeon or some other critical expert they could have used.


This.  At least Carl is starting to step up.
 
2013-03-04 09:18:51 AM
Honestly, pretty much any episode without Lori or Andrea is the best episode since the pilot.
 
2013-03-04 09:19:55 AM
In the comic I thought Morgan had his now zombie son chained up in the backyard and was feeding passers by to him?  That sucks if they wussed out on that one.
 
2013-03-04 09:23:15 AM

Because People in power are Stupid: So what was with that hiker on the road? Was he killed by walkers or hit by a car?


My guess is we'll find out in the webisode between season 3 and 4

Sybarite: I was curious about that. I still really don't believe that a sheriff's deputy wouldn't know about a prison that size within a day's drive of his jurisdiction, but I'm willing to suspend disbelief on that point.


They might not know the location and they had been stumbling from town to town all over Georgia during the winter months just trying to survive. It may an instance where they find the prison and Rick NOW knows where they are. As in, Ohh this place I know where this was supposed to be, that means my old stomping ground is not far from here.

Either way, last night was the show at its finest. I am happy that the one who wrote that episode is taking over direction for season 4. Good things man, good things are coming.

And mark it, that baby isn't going to survive this season and there is going to be some hard to watch television coming soon.
 
2013-03-04 09:25:58 AM

pintoboy: In the comic I thought Morgan had his now zombie son chained up in the backyard and was feeding passers by to him?  That sucks if they wussed out on that one.


Yes, not the only time they could have pushed the envelope just a little more.

I mean we do have that entire gang rape thing they chose not to write into the show.
 
2013-03-04 09:27:22 AM
As near as I could tell, that guy was a combination of the Flash and a town crier. He was able to run several miles with a full pack and constantly screaming over a short period of time. The fact that he was unable to recognize the need for a bicycle or even a Razor scooter made him a net loss for the group. Everyone knows that a Razor scooter can be the ultimate zombie weapon and form of escape. You can ride it. You can spin it. It folds up. It has a retractable handle that could be sharpened.

The guy had a metal pan on a carabiner. How was he not found much much earlier?
 
2013-03-04 09:32:29 AM
How has this season been? I haven't watched it yet but have them saved on my DVR....just haven't been in a 'zombie' mood...
 
2013-03-04 09:36:28 AM

Because People in power are Stupid: So what was with that hiker on the road? Was he killed by walkers or hit by a car?


I thought it looked like he was hit by a car and he or his pack got thrown about 10 feet. Was too much of him left to have been an attack.
 
2013-03-04 09:42:38 AM

ferretman: How has this season been? I haven't watched it yet but have them saved on my DVR....just haven't been in a 'zombie' mood...


It's great.  There's been a huge improvement since Season 2.  Carl is now a complete badass and the plot has actually been moving forward.
 
2013-03-04 09:44:06 AM
I agree, that was a great episode.  No Andrea BS, no going on tangents with visions (briefly but it was more a discussion for building trust), no weird maggie/glen or merle/daryl drama.  Just harsh outcomes of living in a zombie world.

I almost wish they worked in a father Gregori or Ravenholm reference in but hey, thats not their bag.
 
2013-03-04 09:44:41 AM
I somehow missed the sign for Erin, but I did see the charm bracelet.
 
2013-03-04 09:45:55 AM

Because People in power are Stupid: So what was with that hiker on the road? Was he killed by walkers or hit by a car?


They exist in the same universe

encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com

Gotta enjoy the little things.
 
2013-03-04 09:48:17 AM
I really hate this show for the most part, largely because of the obnoxious "what's going to happen next" mindset that requires a steady succession of reasons for people to do stupid things so that the group gets split up, and going way to far to make people look like bad asses (we get it, the governor doesn't flinch... EVER). But the really genuine quiet human moments (which are few and far between) make up for the bull shiat, and the action sequences are often unique and interesting. Last night was the first time in a long time that I felt like the majority of the episode was really, really good.

Morgan is the first character (actor?) since Dale that I don't have to actively work at believing. Unbelievable farkwads like Michonne and the governor and crazy-only-when-its-convenient Rick make it nearly impossible to take this world seriously, even with all the effects work they do to make it feel real. Morgan is a breath of fresh air in that department. Even Michonne finally had the opportunity to show an emotion besides "scowl" and a dimension besides "the baddest ass".
 
2013-03-04 09:48:28 AM
There sure were a lot of people in that restaurant. When the zombie apocalypse hit did they all decide it was time for that final chili cheeseburger? Even the staff hung around, apparently. It was also a remarkably secure place to hold them, too. That department store in Atlanta couldn't keep them out but all the windows and doors in that restaurant were reinforced with some magical substance, apparently.
 
2013-03-04 09:50:26 AM

lovefirststool: As near as I could tell, that guy was a combination of the Flash and a town crier. He was able to run several miles with a full pack and constantly screaming over a short period of time. The fact that he was unable to recognize the need for a bicycle or even a Razor scooter made him a net loss for the group. Everyone knows that a Razor scooter can be the ultimate zombie weapon and form of escape. You can ride it. You can spin it. It folds up. It has a retractable handle that could be sharpened.

The guy had a metal pan on a carabiner. How was he not found much much earlier?


My thoughts exactly. Or, as my wife said, "who's he, a zombie dinner gong?"
 
2013-03-04 09:51:10 AM

Because People in power are Stupid: So what was with that hiker on the road? Was he killed by walkers or hit by a car?


eaten by walkers it seems
 
2013-03-04 09:52:25 AM
Something for everyone.

Bottle show, zombies and zombie traps, Bad Ass Carl, Ninja Michonne, Morgan redux (and where Rick could/would be heading), Apologetic Carl with "You had to do it" Morgan,character development and comparison since the pilot, and heartbreak that outdid Sophie.

Plus, this was penned by Showrunner du jour. This bodes well.

All we need is for AMC to fark it up.
 
2013-03-04 09:54:02 AM

ferretman: How has this season been? I haven't watched it yet but have them saved on my DVR....just haven't been in a 'zombie' mood...


It's still a good watch. Hi points and low points, but still a good watch.
 
2013-03-04 09:55:44 AM

thecpt: I almost wish they worked in a father Gregori or Ravenholm reference in but hey, thats not their bag.


Why not? They had a direct by-name Portal reference last season, and that bloated zombie that fell in the well at Hershel's farm looked suspiciously like a boomer from Left 4 Dead.
 
2013-03-04 09:56:44 AM
I needed this episode. I needed the break form the tension between the warring camps. But most importantly, the episode touched on something fundamental from Season 1 that had gotten muddied throughout the drama of the past two seasons. And this is what the show needs:

Introspection. Reflection. Time to process.
 
2013-03-04 09:57:11 AM

Cletus C.: There sure were a lot of people in that restaurant. When the zombie apocalypse hit did they all decide it was time for that final chili cheeseburger? Even the staff hung around, apparently. It was also a remarkably secure place to hold them, too. That department store in Atlanta couldn't keep them out but all the windows and doors in that restaurant were reinforced with some magical substance, apparently.


Could've been a group that decided to commit suicide in the diner. So they all sat down and drank some ice tea loaded with warfarin and sleeping pills. Heart attacks in their sleep, they turn still in their seats. 

If this happened in a hundred locations, there were bound to be a few where they remained undisturbed for some time (either by people screaming bloody blue murder and shooting, and those were in shorter and shorter supply; or by other walkers, that wouldn't be attracted there because of the lack of sound and movement within the restaurant).
 
2013-03-04 10:00:21 AM

kumanoki: Introspection. Reflection. Time to process.


This, the show has gotten better in its pacing but there is a lot of room for improvement. We also need to get this war over with, and trim the cast down for season 4.

Where its going I hope they do well, we are heading into the series where they reach the Alexandria Safe Zone, and even in the comics that entire portion was a drag at times.
 
2013-03-04 10:01:35 AM

Cletus C.: There sure were a lot of people in that restaurant. When the zombie apocalypse hit did they all decide it was time for that final chili cheeseburger? Even the staff hung around, apparently. It was also a remarkably secure place to hold them, too. That department store in Atlanta couldn't keep them out but all the windows and doors in that restaurant were reinforced with some magical substance, apparently.


Weird, right? Maybe they were hiding out there, and someone was bitten but hid it from the others? And then, no one ran away when they realized there was a zombie in their midst? No, it really makes little sense given how they were sealed in there...maybe if the employees weren't also there I could believe some of the townspeople trapped them in there.

MyKingdomForYourHorse:
And mark it, that baby isn't going to survive this season and there is going to be some hard to watch television coming soon.

I have felt uneasy ever since Judith was born. We all know what would happen to a baby or toddler in the ZA.No one wants to see that, show. Damn you if you go there.
 
2013-03-04 10:03:55 AM

salvador.hardin: I really hate this show for the most part, largely because of the obnoxious "what's going to happen next" mindset that requires a steady succession of reasons for people to do stupid things so that the group gets split up, and going way to far to make people look like bad asses (we get it, the governor doesn't flinch... EVER). But the really genuine quiet human moments (which are few and far between) make up for the bull shiat, and the action sequences are often unique and interesting. Last night was the first time in a long time that I felt like the majority of the episode was really, really good.

Morgan is the first character (actor?) since Dale that I don't have to actively work at believing. Unbelievable farkwads like Michonne and the governor and crazy-only-when-its-convenient Rick make it nearly impossible to take this world seriously, even with all the effects work they do to make it feel real. Morgan is a breath of fresh air in that department. Even Michonne finally had the opportunity to show an emotion besides "scowl" and a dimension besides "the baddest ass".


Okay, I get that you're not doing the thing where you're just trolling people who actually do like a show. But why have you been suffering through a show you "really hate?" By definition, episodes you like will be few and far between. Cut your losses, guy!
 
2013-03-04 10:05:24 AM

Chelle82: I have felt uneasy ever since Judith was born. We all know what would happen to a baby or toddler in the ZA.No one wants to see that, show. Damn you if you go there.


I think they will go there, but it won't be shown. It will consist of quick cuts, off camera sounds etc... essentially we will be left to assume the worst.

...or Merle will save the kid at his own expense thus finding redemption and solidifying Daryl's place in the group as the kids keeper, her being an extension of his brother now.
 
2013-03-04 10:06:38 AM

Chelle82: Cletus C.: There sure were a lot of people in that restaurant. When the zombie apocalypse hit did they all decide it was time for that final chili cheeseburger? Even the staff hung around, apparently. It was also a remarkably secure place to hold them, too. That department store in Atlanta couldn't keep them out but all the windows and doors in that restaurant were reinforced with some magical substance, apparently.

Weird, right? Maybe they were hiding out there, and someone was bitten but hid it from the others? And then, no one ran away when they realized there was a zombie in their midst? No, it really makes little sense given how they were sealed in there...maybe if the employees weren't also there I could believe some of the townspeople trapped them in there.

MyKingdomForYourHorse:
And mark it, that baby isn't going to survive this season and there is going to be some hard to watch television coming soon.

I have felt uneasy ever since Judith was born. We all know what would happen to a baby or toddler in the ZA.No one wants to see that, show. Damn you if you go there.


i still feel that the revelation will be the baby will be killed.. but not turn!!  letting them know the virus is not passed on to newborns.   Then you know there is a light at the end of the tunnel and all newborns will have a normal life once the ZA is over .. if that is possible..
 
2013-03-04 10:09:09 AM

MyKingdomForYourHorse: kumanoki: Introspection. Reflection. Time to process.

This, the show has gotten better in its pacing but there is a lot of room for improvement. We also need to get this war over with, and trim the cast down for season 4.

Where its going I hope they do well, we are heading into the series where they reach the Alexandria Safe Zone, and even in the comics that entire portion was a drag at times.


I think we'll see Morgan again. After.

I hope they do the trimming a bluntly and forcefully as possible. I don't want slo-mo deaths as the music swells. Don't tug on heartstrings. My wife is convinced that they wont kill the baby. I am convinced that they will imply the everloving shiat out of it, though. And last week's episode set it up for that to be Andrea's catharsis. I'm willing to bet it's Andrea that gets the final shot.
 
2013-03-04 10:09:49 AM

Jackpot777: Cletus C.: There sure were a lot of people in that restaurant. When the zombie apocalypse hit did they all decide it was time for that final chili cheeseburger? Even the staff hung around, apparently. It was also a remarkably secure place to hold them, too. That department store in Atlanta couldn't keep them out but all the windows and doors in that restaurant were reinforced with some magical substance, apparently.

Could've been a group that decided to commit suicide in the diner. So they all sat down and drank some ice tea loaded with warfarin and sleeping pills. Heart attacks in their sleep, they turn still in their seats. 

If this happened in a hundred locations, there were bound to be a few where they remained undisturbed for some time (either by people screaming bloody blue murder and shooting, and those were in shorter and shorter supply; or by other walkers, that wouldn't be attracted there because of the lack of sound and movement within the restaurant).


...forgot to add: but as for the windows, yeah. Dangerous Windows when they need them, and Absurdly Effective Barricades every time else.
 
2013-03-04 10:13:58 AM

Cletus C.: There sure were a lot of people in that restaurant. When the zombie apocalypse hit did they all decide it was time for that final chili cheeseburger? Even the staff hung around, apparently. It was also a remarkably secure place to hold them, too. That department store in Atlanta couldn't keep them out but all the windows and doors in that restaurant were reinforced with some magical substance, apparently.


The walkers are changing, albeit slowly. I've seen comments regarding the makeup being used to suggest more decomposition, there was the in-show comment about the 'pets' starving, but unless we think the walkers are actually digesting what they eat they may all be starving/decomposing very slowly.

MyKingdomForYourHorse: They might not know the location and they had been stumbling from town to town all over Georgia during the winter months just trying to survive. It may an instance where they find the prison and Rick NOW knows where they are. As in, Ohh this place I know where this was supposed to be, that means my old stomping ground is not far from here.


Start of the season they had a map and were tracking various herds, they knew exactly where they work, roughly where the walker herds were, where they'd searched, etc.
 
2013-03-04 10:14:18 AM

NeoCortex42: Looked like he was killed by walkers.

I hope Rick goes through the bag next episode and realizes the guy was a skilled surgeon or some other critical expert they could have used.


You're probably right that something like that is going to happen.  Maybe Rick will have some sort of complications from being stabbed as well.

I find it hard to be sympathetic for any of these people, except maybe Daryl.  He actually goes out of his way to help people, and I don't recall any point he's done something stupid and irrational like so many of the other characters.
 
2013-03-04 10:16:03 AM

kumanoki: I needed this episode. I needed the break form the tension between the warring camps. But most importantly, the episode touched on something fundamental from Season 1 that had gotten muddied throughout the drama of the past two seasons. And this is what the show needs:

Introspection. Reflection. Time to process.


They were supppose to do this with Herschel's Farm, but the timing and the budget cuts screwed the storytelling over. The result was drawn out and boring, until they discovered Sophie and the final invasion on the farm.
 
2013-03-04 10:16:15 AM

kumanoki: I think we'll see Morgan again. After.

I hope they do the trimming a bluntly and forcefully as possible. I don't want slo-mo deaths as the music swells. Don't tug on heartstrings. My wife is convinced that they wont kill the baby. I am convinced that they will imply the everloving shiat out of it, though. And last week's episode set it up for that to be Andrea's catharsis. I'm willing to bet it's Andrea that gets the final shot.


We'll see Morgan again for sure. He was too integral in the comics after the prison NOT to be IMHO. I agree with you implying about the death of the newborn as well, I don't think TV audiences are quite ready to handle the visceral reaction that anything more than that would cause.

As for who gets trimmed? I honestly don't know, they have deviated enough from the comics that its hard to predict anything now other than the large plot movers.
 
2013-03-04 10:16:41 AM

RevRaven: Why not? They had a direct by-name Portal reference last season, and that bloated zombie that fell in the well at Hershel's farm looked suspiciously like a boomer from Left 4 Dead.


I didn't count him saying portal as a reference, but it is interesting they said that and not CoD.  And I didn't pay particular attention to the bloated one, and I never played L4D so I can't say anything about it.  I just mean it's not their MO to reference things like most other shows do.  It would have been nice to hear someone say the words "we don't go there anymore" at one point.

/still play the Kelly Bailey soundtrack
//that siren of Gregori going out still haunts me
 
2013-03-04 10:17:44 AM

itsdan: Start of the season they had a map and were tracking various herds, they knew exactly where they work, roughly where the walker herds were, where they'd searched, etc.


Atlanta is between where they are and where they were, so I guess I am able to suspend some belief that he might not know the exact location of said prison.
 
2013-03-04 10:19:35 AM

MyKingdomForYourHorse: I mean we do have that entire gang rape thing they chose not to write into the show.


And I thank them for that (that's entertainment?).

I know I'm nitpicking here but, if the prison is close enough to King County for a day trip, wouldn't Rick have always known exactly where that facility was? And, if they'd been meandering around that close for months, wouldn't Morgan have picked up Rick's radio at some point?
 
2013-03-04 10:19:50 AM

Jackpot777: Jackpot777: Cletus C.: There sure were a lot of people in that restaurant. When the zombie apocalypse hit did they all decide it was time for that final chili cheeseburger? Even the staff hung around, apparently. It was also a remarkably secure place to hold them, too. That department store in Atlanta couldn't keep them out but all the windows and doors in that restaurant were reinforced with some magical substance, apparently.

Could've been a group that decided to commit suicide in the diner. So they all sat down and drank some ice tea loaded with warfarin and sleeping pills. Heart attacks in their sleep, they turn still in their seats. 

If this happened in a hundred locations, there were bound to be a few where they remained undisturbed for some time (either by people screaming bloody blue murder and shooting, and those were in shorter and shorter supply; or by other walkers, that wouldn't be attracted there because of the lack of sound and movement within the restaurant).

...forgot to add: but as for the windows, yeah. Dangerous Windows when they need them, and Absurdly Effective Barricades every time else.


That old barn on Hershel's farm also had some magical qualities, holding that mini-herd in like it did.
 
2013-03-04 10:20:11 AM
I thought one of the zombies in that diner was Morgan's wife. Saw her twice. One of the first ones around the corner chasing the rodents, then later Carl shoots her in the head. Gonna have to watch both episodes again now. I know he said his wife attacked his son, but he never really explicitly stated that he put her down.
 
2013-03-04 10:22:32 AM
Agreed with the comments re: the restaurant scene.  I mean, lets just say they all drank the kool aid and died/turned there.  Why were they all sitting down nice and neatly on chairs?  None of the new zombies got up and looked for braaaiiinnnss?

I, too, needed this episode.  It was by far the best this season if not since ep. 1.

I think the sole hitchhiker dude would have definitely been a drag on the group.  Too many questions surround that one.  I think it's one of those don't think too hard on it things.
 
2013-03-04 10:23:28 AM
One thing that we saw in this episode is how much Michonne has figured out how to survive in the ZA.  Not only against zombies, but also against humans.  She showed that she is really swift on her feet getting up that building to take out Morgan, she saved Rick at the UNwelcome mat, and of course using Carl to distract the zombies so she can sneak in and get the picture and cat statue.
 
2013-03-04 10:24:18 AM

Grand PBUH: I thought one of the zombies in that diner was Morgan's wife. Saw her twice. One of the first ones around the corner chasing the rodents, then later Carl shoots her in the head. Gonna have to watch both episodes again now. I know he said his wife attacked his son, but he never really explicitly stated that he put her down.


Morgan said he finally put her down but it was too late, she already bit Duane.
 
2013-03-04 10:24:29 AM

MyKingdomForYourHorse: I agree with you implying about the death of the newborn as well, I don't think TV audiences are quite ready to handle the visceral reaction that anything more than that would cause.


Maybe they will go full soap opera and give her an implied death or kidnapping, only to have her return next season as a 13-year-old girl.
 
2013-03-04 10:24:30 AM

Grand PBUH: I thought one of the zombies in that diner was Morgan's wife. Saw her twice. One of the first ones around the corner chasing the rodents, then later Carl shoots her in the head. Gonna have to watch both episodes again now. I know he said his wife attacked his son, but he never really explicitly stated that he put her down.


I thought so too. And I wouldn't say this was the best episode since the pilot. Top 5 maybe.
 
2013-03-04 10:25:21 AM
Amy from Saint Paul: Of course they they drove by him.

Jim from Saint Paul: Well, it just shows where they are at mentally.

Amy from Saint Paul: ... Wait, why doesn;t he just take a car himself? If he's been hitching there has to be ONE car working.

Jim from Saint Paul: Well...hmmmm....

Amy from Saint Paul: ... I don't pity this guy at all anymore!

Jim from Saint Paul: *swoon*
 
2013-03-04 10:26:18 AM

Grand PBUH: I thought one of the zombies in that diner was Morgan's wife. Saw her twice. One of the first ones around the corner chasing the rodents, then later Carl shoots her in the head. Gonna have to watch both episodes again now. I know he said his wife attacked his son, but he never really explicitly stated that he put her down.


comicbook.com

Different collar line. Unless someone's going around dressing up zombies...!
 
2013-03-04 10:27:51 AM

Jackpot777: ...forgot to add: but as for the windows, yeah. Dangerous Windows when they need them, and Absurdly Effective Barricades every time else.


For all of the talk about the windows in the front of the restaurant, the scene was shot perfectly. Carl pouting while zombies pawed at the glass behind him was a perfect character shot.

My only issue with this episode, and it's super-small, nit-picky really, but I am from Georgia and know my small southern towns. The towns north or Atlanta and the towns south of Atlanta look different. The terrain is different. The economics are different.

Initially, in Season 1, the Rick's house and Morgan's commandeered house are Craftsman style houses. The neighboorhood was well-to-do, but not fancy. I got the impression from the neighborhood, the park, the hospital, the sherriff's office, that his hometown was in North Georgia and suburban. You only see these types of houses in comfortable suburbs or in the older neighborhoods of cities, not in sleepy towns.

The row buildings on the street level of Morgan's deathtrap were from a town south of Atlanta, probably on a rail line. These towns are older and most of the houses in them would be Victorian style homes, or trailers, or Jim Walters pre-fabs.

Nit-picky, but it bothered me. It's clear that the locations are different.
 
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