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2013-03-04 12:44:06 PM
4 votes:
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2013-03-04 09:36:24 AM
4 votes:
And this is why the USA is circling the drain, in debt up to its eyebrows. When you buy votes with EBT, you get corruption at every level and an intractable debt problem.

Liberalism is a mental disorder caused by self-pity.
2013-03-04 08:50:32 AM
4 votes:

mike_d85: I had a freind that paid his rent in food stamp purchases. He was a single man getting stamps for a family of 4. Not a deadbeat, just a clerical error thief.


Word.
2013-03-04 08:47:24 AM
4 votes:
Anyone who uses this example to criticize the EBT system is a brainwashed GOP shill who wants to make the poor start to death and have the rest of us vote Republican.
2013-03-04 09:26:12 AM
3 votes:

machodonkeywrestler: Does NS stand for not a situation?

-Billco
This is when you get mad at government wasting money?


I am not happy with the government for all the ways they waste my tax dollars.  That includes any number of things that conservatives support as well as the things that liberals choose to waste money on.  This is but one example of our out of control government not properly supervising our money.

Are you OK with this?
2013-03-04 01:19:13 PM
2 votes:

bdub77: fredklein: bdub77: Well in your little world, that makes you a chump, apparently.

Yup. Straight, white, middle aged male here.

Yeah the whole world is just completely against you. After all, you think your sexual orientation has anything to do with it.


It's a play on an old joke: "I'm in every majority there is: Straight, white, male, protestant... and there's darn few of us left!"

People get off of welfare because they are given a chance - that means better education,

Why do poor people deserve "better"??

And I suppose if you want to be completely ruthless, if we simply let them die someone ultimately has to pick up their corpse and drop them into a ditch somewhere.

Firstly, I'm okay with that.
Second, it wouldn't be "us" who "let" them die- it'd be "them" who chose to die.

Seems like a pretty stupid thing to just let people die though because we don't want to pay a few hundred in taxes each year. Then again I'm an actual human being.

Implying that people who don't like giving away money aren't. Nice.

I think of the poor in this country the same way I think of the starving in Africa: yes, people are suffering. But it's not my fault. And trying to throw money at it doesn't work. There are plenty of explanations of why that's true. For instance, local farmers cannot compete with 'free', and so stop farming. No local farmers = no local food = even more reliance of handouts. And the same is true here in the USA: if you can either sit on your ass and get enough money to eat and pay bills, OR work a full time job and end up with less money, which do you think people will choose??
2013-03-04 10:42:05 AM
2 votes:
As evil as the Welfare State is (victimizing both the payer and the payee, and guaranteeing a permanent underclass), the amount of money involved is actually fairly small compared to the 18,000 other ways that the US government rips people off, subsidizes waste, wrecks the economy and generally enslaves all of us.

Endless subsidies, import/export restrictions, price-fixing, restricting competition in all-important industries like energy, communication and transportation.  And of course, the absolute worst, No. 1, all-time, Mother of All Screwgies -- the banking cartel.

Giving some booze and porn to the people living in state-sponsored ghettos is chicken feed compared to these.
2013-03-04 10:25:41 AM
2 votes:

sodomizer: And this is why the USA is circling the drain, in debt up to its eyebrows. When you buy votes with EBT, you get corruption at every level and an intractable debt problem.

Liberalism is a mental disorder caused by self-pity.


No.

This is why the USA is circling the drain, in debt up to its eyebrows. When you buy votes with business subsidies and private military contracts, you get corruption at every level and an intractable debt problem.

Conservatism is a mental disorder caused by bed wetting fear.
2013-03-04 10:02:28 AM
2 votes:

bdub77: They will obviously all stop any drugs and alcohol they are doing, find a job at once, and become moral citizens. They can obviously work their way out of their subhuman state by working a minimum wage job 60 hours a week whilst simultaneously filling in the holes of their chronically undernourished children's education left by public schools.


... or we can let them leech off Society, and breed more well-nourished little brats, so the cycle can continue unto the next generation.

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2013-03-04 09:32:31 AM
2 votes:
The agency also claimed that a system that can discriminate between items doesn't exist.

Absolute nonsense, as is most of the article. As someone who has EBT and lives in NJ, every grocery store I've been to knows exactly what is and isn't purchasable with foodstamps. If I have some groceries and say things like mouth wash and soap, it all goes as one purchase, I swipe EBT, EBT pays for all the food stuff and specifically not the things that aren't food, and I can pay with any of the other standard means (cash, credit, debit) for the non food items. No human makes the call, the system knows what is and isn't purchasable.

As someone who actually uses this program, nothing in this article actually meshes with my experience. But maybe NJ is the one state where it's working as intended?

/My anecdote IS DATA
//Pose in threatening poor person posture
2013-03-04 09:19:29 AM
2 votes:
People buy porn?
2013-03-04 09:15:25 AM
2 votes:
Government assistance should require implantable or injectable birth control.

I have no problem supporting someone who is incapable of supporting themselves, cradle to grave. I have many problems with allowing people who can't support themselves to procreate.
2013-03-04 08:48:31 AM
2 votes:

Tat'dGreaser: Because People in power are Stupid: Somehow the recipients are to blame for this and not the wildly incompetent  FIS.

Yea if I found out I could use it to buy guns, booze and porn then I'd go buck wild.


But why not guns? They can use them to fish.
2013-03-04 08:48:05 AM
2 votes:
This headline: people use EBT to buy guns, porn, and booze

This article: welfare chief says that his incompetence  may allow peopleto buy guns, porn, and booze with EBT due to a failure in implementing oversights (loophole)

This thread: full derp in three comments, nobody having read the article
2013-03-04 10:53:26 PM
1 votes:
The people that manage these cards need to do away with the cash option.  I dont much care if it makes it harder for the recipients.  Our tax money shouldnt be going to porn, booze and guns.  If the recipients dont like the hardship of free money, without a cash option they can always get off their asses and go get a job like the rest of us.
2013-03-04 07:40:37 PM
1 votes:
By all means though middle class folks, keep on blaming all your problems on poor people, it's exactly what the people with real wealth and power want you to think. They rob you blind and use their resources to convince you that they are the 'job creators' and the only hope you have left, then they convince you that those damn poor folks are the problem. Meanwhile they are busy pocketing the proceeds of your labor to pay for their third mansion, supercars, and plastic surgery for their trophy wives/husbands.
2013-03-04 06:45:17 PM
1 votes:

firefly212: I think that with lots of social programs and disability, faux-conservatives try to use the 1% of fraud to justify cutting off 100% of a program. It's a terrible mindset, and certainly not one I ascribe to.


This isn't just a "faux-conservative" thing. Everybody seems to do it depending on the issue. Replace "1% of fraud" with "0.01% of firearms misused" and suddenly everybody in this thread will flip sides.

In other words, "this is why we can't have nice things."
2013-03-04 05:00:02 PM
1 votes:

Happy Hours: WTF is EBT?


EBT is Afrocan-American for ATM
2013-03-04 02:48:04 PM
1 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: How do Congresscritters who "almost always" buy what people don't want get elected?


They do it by setting up a system of elections in the first place!  This system of making spending decisions has the convenient effect of separating Election Day from Spending Decision Day.  Let's call this the "Electoral System" of spending money.

The Electoral System also has the convenient effect of appearing to empower the elected person to spend other people's money, rather than the voter's own money.  I, for one, would spend your money on my stuff every day of the week and twice on Sunday, before I ever chose to spend my own.  Spending my money imposes real costs on me. For example, it prevents me from buying pretty much everything I might have otherwise done with that money, since every dollar can only be spent once.  But spending other people's money?  It's seemingly endless.  All of the benefits, none of the (immediate) costs.  I could get used to that.

This Electoral System of spending money is, you might notice, a very different mode of social organization from, say, every person spending his or her own money as he or she sees fit.  In that type of system (let's call it "Real Life"), people get to choose what they spend their money on, and they must immediately live with the consequences of those decisions, on account of the aforementioned fact that every dollar can only be spent once.  As a result, there is no distance at all between the decision to spend money, and the real costs of spending it that way.

So, the "decision" to have "the government" spend money (by ticking a box on a ballot once every few years) on aircraft carriers and EBT cards and sugar subsidies and chicken inspectors and solar panels really can't be compared to the hundreds of millions of decisions of that people make every day in Real Life -- to spend their money on the things they actually want (food, houses, cars, clothes, cell phones, etc.).

Economically, these two modes of spending are so different from one another that they are two entirely different processes.  It's not surprising that one mode yields the production of things that people don't actually want to pay for (but want other people to pay for), and the other mode yields goods and services that people actually enjoy.
2013-03-04 01:24:22 PM
1 votes:

TNel: rlv.zcache.com


The plural of 'anecdote' is not 'data'... but how many stories do you have to hear before you start thinking there might be something to them??

No, really, how many? Like, a number. Because I'm sure I can find that many. And then you'd have to start taking shiat seriously instead of tossing off cutesie t-shirt one-liners.
2013-03-04 01:19:51 PM
1 votes:
I always thought if you're on food stamps you should be issued a nutritious paste containing all your daily vitamins and minerals necessary for survival and that's what you and your family eat.  Give them some incentive to try and get off of food stamps.  When you're allowed to buy steak and shrimp on some one elses dime, why try and improve your life?
2013-03-04 12:56:56 PM
1 votes:

TNel: You really have no idea how it is to actually "live" off of welfare. I put that in quotes because it's not the rainbows and unicorns you republicans keep talking about.


I'm not Republican.

I lived off of it for a few years when I was a teenager with my parents and it freaking SUCKED. The looks you got when you used the stamps, the comments from kids when you use the special green token to get a free meal at school.

They changed all that. Now you get a card that you swipe- no more embarrassment producing the Food Stamps.

You barely get enough to make a passable meal every day.

Ha. I know people who get EBT. I know how much they get. But you wouldn't believe me if I told you.
2013-03-04 12:56:52 PM
1 votes:
This push to micromanage EBT cash benefits is going to turn out as poorly as voter ID and drug testing welfare applicants.  It will cost the state and businesses a fortune and it will be impossible to measure results.
2013-03-04 12:49:58 PM
1 votes:

factoryconnection: Fukuzawa: As someone who actually uses this program, nothing in this article actually meshes with my experience. But maybe NJ is the one state where it's working as intended?

My medical insurance comes with a FSA card, which prior to some string-tightening used to be usable for OTC medical products.  If you went to, say, a grocer and bought allergy medicine and ibuprofen along with your regular groceries, swiping the FSA card first would allot payment only for those eligible items.  The rest of the groceries wouldn't cause a debit, and you'd pay the rest of your bill normally.

I'm perplexed as to why this article describes such a system as non-existent.


This is EXACTLY what I was thinking. Medical FSA payment systems have the ability to differentiate between eligible and non-eligible items. There is no reason that EBT systems can't do the same. The reason they don't is probably a combination of inertia and incompetence.
2013-03-04 11:25:02 AM
1 votes:
RembrandtQEinstein: Government assistance should require implantable or injectable birth control.

I have no problem supporting someone who is incapable of supporting themselves, cradle to grave. I have many problems with allowing people who can't support themselves to procreate.

Wow.  Gesetz zur Verhütung erbkranken Nachwuchses  much?
2013-03-04 11:13:48 AM
1 votes:

sodomizer: And this is why the USA is circling the drain, in debt up to its eyebrows. When you buy votes with EBT, you get corruption at every level and an intractable debt problem.

Liberalism is a mental disorder caused by self-pity.


This is a perfect example of what conservatives and republicans believe and is without a doubt the number one reason I would gladly start a civil war against all of them. It's way past reasoning at this point. I'm tired and through listening to them. Go make your own country and take your gay issues, gun issues, abortion issues, and black people issues there. Get all of your little friends together and go talk about all that shiat THERE.
2013-03-04 11:07:10 AM
1 votes:

fredklein: 1) I have too much pride. Others evidently have none.

2) "Low income"? Once you add everything up, they make well over minimum wage. (Isn't that the argument people use? If they get a min wage job, they'll actually have LESS money?) That makes the min wagers the "low incomers" in that comparison.

3) It must be awesome, or people would, you know, GET OFF IT.


You really have no idea how it is to actually "live" off of welfare.  I put that in quotes because it's not the rainbows and unicorns you republicans keep talking about.  I lived off of it for a few years when I was a teenager with my parents and it freaking SUCKED.  The looks you got when you used the stamps, the comments from kids when you use the special green token to get a free meal at school.

You barely get enough to make a passable meal every day.  If it wasn't for my mom being in college and maxing her student loans each semester I'm not sure how else you could really get by.  Keep screaming about those welfare queens, it amazes me how much the Republicans love the 1%.  1% of the wealth hoarders and the 1% of welfare that scam the system.
2013-03-04 11:01:01 AM
1 votes:

bdub77: Well in your little world, that makes you a chump, apparently. Obviously the low income people have it much better as they are idling sitting around firing their guns in the air while drinking booze and masturbating. You could always learn how to suck on the government teat and become one yourself. You know, because it's such an awesome lifestyle.


1) I have too much pride. Others evidently have none.

2) "Low income"? Once you add everything up, they make well over minimum wage. (Isn't that the argument people use? If they get a min wage job, they'll actually have LESS money?) That makes the min wagers the "low incomers" in that comparison.

3) It must be awesome, or people would, you know, GET OFF IT.
2013-03-04 10:59:23 AM
1 votes:

manimal2878: That could work too.  It just seems insane to me that these cards can be used to purchase things they are not intended for.  With scanning and product coding it should be fairly easy to limit what the cards can be used for.


That's the biggest issue and yes people shouldn't abuse the card but there are always going to be someone that abuses the system so it's the system's job to limit the abuse to a level they find acceptable.
2013-03-04 10:53:39 AM
1 votes:

dennysgod: EBT aren't just used for welfare and food-stamps.

Soldiers in some states get their disability money on state issued EBT cards. Are you going to deny people who got wounded defending our country access to alcohol and porn?

People who went through the State to get child-support from their dead-beat sperm or egg donor will also get their child-support money in the form of state issued EBT cards meaning that some of those people you scoff at buying alcohol and porn with EBT cards might not be using any tax-payer money what so ever.

I'm not saying that people who are on welfare/food stamps aren't beating the system, that's human nature to try to get something for nothing. I'm just curious when some report says 50% of EBT users are buying something other then food and necessities, if those figures actually break down to where the money is actually coming from.


Social Security also comes on an EBT now too. Complete with bank charges if you want any cash.
2013-03-04 10:29:48 AM
1 votes:

bdub77: Well we let People like You breed


Yeah, someone needs to work to pay taxes.
2013-03-04 10:20:21 AM
1 votes:

clane: clane:
and yall keep voting Democrat...
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I know I'm feeding the troll, but I can't resist.
rustypouch:
There are about 47 million people in the US on some sort of food stamps. http://www.fns.usda.gov/pd/34SNAPmonthly.htm

So if the SNAP program is cut off, we now have 47 million people going hungry. What happens to them? Are they just going to go away and quietly starve? Or will they start stealing rather than dying in a ditch?

clane:
47 MILLION!! just think about that.Do you think this program is being abused?  This system does not work at all, it is used by the Democrats to buy votes.  It's original intentions were good but now it is a crime the way it is run.
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I don't like politics but as an analyst I always hate to see graphs distorted to suit one thing. First the height of the bar under Obama should be under double the height of bar under Bush. But the Y-axis conveniently doesn't start from zero. Next the data needs to be superimposed with unemployment, economy, average family income, population etc over time. Even if your point was valid, use of this graph totally invalidates your point.
2013-03-04 10:02:00 AM
1 votes:

Happy Hours: WTF is EBT?


An awesome way for banks to extort more money from 'da poors'.
2013-03-04 09:45:00 AM
1 votes:

Fukuzawa: As someone who actually uses this program, nothing in this article actually meshes with my experience. But maybe NJ is the one state where it's working as intended?


My medical insurance comes with a FSA card, which prior to some string-tightening used to be usable for OTC medical products.  If you went to, say, a grocer and bought allergy medicine and ibuprofen along with your regular groceries, swiping the FSA card first would allot payment only for those eligible items.  The rest of the groceries wouldn't cause a debit, and you'd pay the rest of your bill normally.

I'm perplexed as to why this article describes such a system as non-existent.
2013-03-04 09:43:44 AM
1 votes:

clane: and yall keep voting Democrat...
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I know I'm feeding the troll, but I can't resist.

There are about 47 million people in the US on some sort of food stamps. http://www.fns.usda.gov/pd/34SNAPmonthly.htm

So if the SNAP program is cut off, we now have 47 million people going hungry. What happens to them? Are they just going to go away and quietly starve? Or will they start stealing rather than dying in a ditch?
2013-03-04 09:41:01 AM
1 votes:
Guns? Made in America.
Booze? Made in America (mostly).
Porn? Made in America (mostly).

OMG my tax payer dollars are profiting ventures in the United States, which feeds back into the local and national economy? Unfathomable! This must end! This money could be used to fund tax exemptions for countries that offshore jobs!
2013-03-04 09:38:50 AM
1 votes:

sodomizer: Liberalism is a mental disorder caused by self-pity.


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2013-03-04 09:37:09 AM
1 votes:

MyKingdomForYourHorse: Yes because god forbid someone have a small bit of pleasure to distract them from the horrific poverty they suffer


A gun is a "small bit of pleasure?"

Also, if they are wasting money on guns, booze and porn then they are not spending it on things they claim they need like food. If my fridge is empty and I have ten dollars on my card, I am not spending it on porn or booze. I am buying food.

There are people who use EBT for exactly what it is intended for but there's always some people who if they think they can cheat the system they will. Doesn't it matter if they are poor or rich. The streak of immorality sees no class boundaries.
2013-03-04 09:37:08 AM
1 votes:
It's still a lot better than it used to be.  In the days of paper food stamps exchanging them for drugs, booze and BJs was rampant.
2013-03-04 09:31:20 AM
1 votes:
and yall keep voting Democrat...
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2013-03-04 09:29:57 AM
1 votes:

MCStymie: It's free, swipe your EBT


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzspsovNvII [explicit!]
2013-03-04 09:20:54 AM
1 votes:
Type I vs Type II errors. Are you more concerned with some people buying porn with EBT or with children going hungry without EBT?

Anyway, if they're buying guns with the money, I'm a little surprised our Second Amendment Brigade isn't wildly cheering this government subsidy of a basic human right.
2013-03-04 09:19:18 AM
1 votes:
Also the hottest, newest smartphones.

Nothing cheers my day more than an EBT wielding, demanding, obnoxious mother-of-five using her freshly "did" nails to pry said EBT card from her cash-fat wallet because she's "tired of all my girlfriends telling me I need a new phone, ya heard me?"

Oh, and said women come in all sorts of colors.
2013-03-04 08:58:35 AM
1 votes:
Yes because god forbid someone have a small bit of pleasure to distract them from the horrific poverty they suffer
2013-03-04 08:58:22 AM
1 votes:
See, this is why we should help nobody, ever.
2013-03-04 08:54:28 AM
1 votes:
The government wants to give them consequence free money, that is what people are going to do. They just want a hand out and will find any loophole they can to exploit it. None of this is new though. This information gets passed down from welfare mom to child and on and on. They know how to buck the system before they can speak.
2013-03-04 08:50:53 AM
1 votes:

Because People in power are Stupid: Somehow the recipients are to blame for this and not the wildly incompetent  FIS.


Well, when the actual cards themselves start spending the money, then you can blame the FIS.  Until then, yes - blame the recipients.  They received a subsidy meant for one thing and are spending it on other stuff.
2013-03-04 08:47:23 AM
1 votes:
wtf ? in oregon i see people ring up a whole cart and then pay what they can on card and the beer and smokes in cash. why the hell are these idiots not capable ? ounds like bribes to keep the money flowing from taxpayers to businesses
2013-03-04 08:27:04 AM
1 votes:
Somehow the recipients are to blame for this and not the wildly incompetent  FIS.
2013-03-04 08:22:47 AM
1 votes:
So long as my tax dollars are being spent wisely, that's the important thing.
 
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