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2013-03-04 10:40:13 AM

manimal2878: Raider_dad: Happy Hours: WTF is EBT?

Electronic Benefits Transfer.

food stamps on a card.

We should go back to government cheese.  Yes, food products in a white box simply labeled with what is inside and required ingrediant labels.  Like the white box containing cheese or the bag that simply says: rice.  If you want or need these foods you have to come and pick them up from the government office.  There is no reason to give anyone cash for food.


Having used the program I wouldn't have been opposed to this type of system. Picking up a set quantity of staples wouldn't hurt my feelings one bit. I'm afraid the costs of such a program would be far greater than the current system however, and I don't want to use any more of my taxes than possible with such a system.

I've worked retail, and logistics are where the majority of costs are incurred. Letting the private sector leverage existing infrastructure to handle the logistics of distributing government assistance makes sense.

Perhaps the food stamps program should be handled like WIC, where you get vouchers for certain brands (whatever's cheapest, generally) with specific quantities of food.

For example, one WIC purchase might be 32 oz. of juice (actual juice, not fruit punch), 3 loaves of bread, 2 gallons of milk, and 3 pounds of fruits and vegetables.

I wouldn't have had any issues with that system when we were using the food stamps program.
 
2013-03-04 10:42:05 AM
As evil as the Welfare State is (victimizing both the payer and the payee, and guaranteeing a permanent underclass), the amount of money involved is actually fairly small compared to the 18,000 other ways that the US government rips people off, subsidizes waste, wrecks the economy and generally enslaves all of us.

Endless subsidies, import/export restrictions, price-fixing, restricting competition in all-important industries like energy, communication and transportation.  And of course, the absolute worst, No. 1, all-time, Mother of All Screwgies -- the banking cartel.

Giving some booze and porn to the people living in state-sponsored ghettos is chicken feed compared to these.
 
2013-03-04 10:42:23 AM

clane: clane:
and yall keep voting Democrat...
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I know I'm feeding the troll, but I can't resist.
rustypouch:
There are about 47 million people in the US on some sort of food stamps. http://www.fns.usda.gov/pd/34SNAPmonthly.htm

So if the SNAP program is cut off, we now have 47 million people going hungry. What happens to them? Are they just going to go away and quietly starve? Or will they start stealing rather than dying in a ditch?

clane:
47 MILLION!! just think about that.Do you think this program is being abused?  This system does not work at all, it is used by the Democrats to buy votes.  It's original intentions were good but now it is a crime the way it is run.
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Wow.  What a dishonest graph.  Why does it start at 20 million instead of zero?  If the graph were honest at all Obama's bar would only be twice as tall as the other bars assuming the numbers are accurate.

If you post things like this I would assume you are not a credible person to listen to.
 
2013-03-04 10:43:26 AM
BillCo: "Are you OK with this?"

I am.  (As far as waste of my tax dollars goes; I don't live in MA so the article doesn't apply directly.)
But people doing this, or selling EBT-purchased groceries for cash, or selling old-school-style food stamps directly, is as inevitable as any corporate tax dodge.
Bad actors exist.  You have some auditing and enforcement, but that becomes quickly self defeating because the overwhelming majority of people are not bad actors and ratcheting down costs more than letting it go.

But the world ain't perfect.  This is better than the alternative.  And I ain't got enough time in the day or rage in my tank to get upset about every hypothetical bad apple.
Particularly those who only have a particular grift made available to them, because they live in the absolute worst of circumstances.

/ lobbying and corporate welfare costs us *far* more money than all the "lucky duckies", "young bucks" and "welfare queens" people can invent.
 
2013-03-04 10:44:28 AM

manimal2878: If the graph were honest at all Obama's bar would only be twice as tall as the other bars


Oh.  Well, carry on I suppose.....
 
2013-03-04 10:44:53 AM

manimal2878: Raider_dad: Happy Hours: WTF is EBT?

Electronic Benefits Transfer.

food stamps on a card.

We should go back to government cheese.  Yes, food products in a white box simply labeled with what is inside and required ingrediant labels.  Like the white box containing cheese or the bag that simply says: rice.  If you want or need these foods you have to come and pick them up from the government office.  There is no reason to give anyone cash for food.


Yeah. We could also fix the wild horse overpopulation problem at the same time.
 
2013-03-04 10:45:42 AM

push3r: manimal2878: Raider_dad: Happy Hours: WTF is EBT?

Electronic Benefits Transfer.

food stamps on a card.

We should go back to government cheese.  Yes, food products in a white box simply labeled with what is inside and required ingrediant labels.  Like the white box containing cheese or the bag that simply says: rice.  If you want or need these foods you have to come and pick them up from the government office.  There is no reason to give anyone cash for food.

Having used the program I wouldn't have been opposed to this type of system. Picking up a set quantity of staples wouldn't hurt my feelings one bit. I'm afraid the costs of such a program would be far greater than the current system however, and I don't want to use any more of my taxes than possible with such a system.

I've worked retail, and logistics are where the majority of costs are incurred. Letting the private sector leverage existing infrastructure to handle the logistics of distributing government assistance makes sense.

Perhaps the food stamps program should be handled like WIC, where you get vouchers for certain brands (whatever's cheapest, generally) with specific quantities of food.

For example, one WIC purchase might be 32 oz. of juice (actual juice, not fruit punch), 3 loaves of bread, 2 gallons of milk, and 3 pounds of fruits and vegetables.

I wouldn't have had any issues with that system when we were using the food stamps program.


That could work too.  It just seems insane to me that these cards can be used to purchase things they are not intended for.  With scanning and product coding it should be fairly easy to limit what the cards can be used for.
 
2013-03-04 10:47:54 AM
EBT aren't just used for welfare and food-stamps.

Soldiers in some states get their disability money on state issued EBT cards. Are you going to deny people who got wounded defending our country access to alcohol and porn?

People who went through the State to get child-support from their dead-beat sperm or egg donor will also get their child-support money in the form of state issued EBT cards meaning that some of those people you scoff at buying alcohol and porn with EBT cards might not be using any tax-payer money what so ever.

I'm not saying that people who are on welfare/food stamps aren't beating the system, that's human nature to try to get something for nothing. I'm just curious when some report says 50% of EBT users are buying something other then food and necessities, if those figures actually break down to where the money is actually coming from.
 
2013-03-04 10:49:01 AM

The Muthaship: manimal2878: If the graph were honest at all Obama's bar would only be twice as tall as the other bars

Oh.  Well, carry on I suppose.....


If you want to make a point that welfare has doubled by whatever measure, then state it honestly.  That graph is clearly distorted and makes it appear the spending is 5x greater under Obama.  Doing such a thing makes me question that the numbers are even double to begin with because they are probably equally distorted to begin with.  Thus the whole argument whether true or not has no credibility.
 
2013-03-04 10:49:42 AM

dennysgod: Are you going to deny people who got wounded defending our country access to alcohol and porn?


Yes.
 
2013-03-04 10:53:08 AM

Wrencher: clane:and yall keep voting Democrat...
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I know I'm feeding the troll, but I can't resist.
rustypouch:
There are about 47 million people in the US on some sort of food stamps. http://www.fns.usda.gov/pd/34SNAPmonthly.htm

So if the SNAP program is cut off, we now have 47 million people going hungry. What happens to them? Are they just going to go away and quietly starve? Or will they start stealing rather than dying in a ditch?

47 MILLION!! just think about that.Do you think this program is being abused?  This system does not work at all, it is used by the Democrats to buy votes.  It's original intentions were good but now it is a crime the way it is run.

Well then, maybe the farking " job creators" should create some farking jobs...


When Democrats are in power they make more and more and more laws regulating and restricting and taxing that prevent business

[] SUBWAY Founder Slams Regulations: 'If I Started Today, SUBWAY Would Not Exist'...
[] Home Depot Founder: I Couldn't Start Home Depot Today
[] Staples founder: Obama doesn't get it
[] Too many rules are killing America | Fox News
 
2013-03-04 10:53:39 AM

dennysgod: EBT aren't just used for welfare and food-stamps.

Soldiers in some states get their disability money on state issued EBT cards. Are you going to deny people who got wounded defending our country access to alcohol and porn?

People who went through the State to get child-support from their dead-beat sperm or egg donor will also get their child-support money in the form of state issued EBT cards meaning that some of those people you scoff at buying alcohol and porn with EBT cards might not be using any tax-payer money what so ever.

I'm not saying that people who are on welfare/food stamps aren't beating the system, that's human nature to try to get something for nothing. I'm just curious when some report says 50% of EBT users are buying something other then food and necessities, if those figures actually break down to where the money is actually coming from.


Social Security also comes on an EBT now too. Complete with bank charges if you want any cash.
 
2013-03-04 10:54:43 AM

Because People in power are Stupid: Tat'dGreaser: Because People in power are Stupid: Somehow the recipients are to blame for this and not the wildly incompetent  FIS.

Yea if I found out I could use it to buy guns, booze and porn then I'd go buck wild.

But why not guns? They can use them to fish.


Or to defend themselves or hunt. The poor are more likely to need a firearm to protect them than the more affluent. It is a right. There is nothing wrong with buying a gun on EBT. It is no worse than buying a gun with cash while also receiving EBT, or reduced lunch cost for your kids in school, or tax breaks for your 3 children. It just isn't necessarily something to be proud of.
 
2013-03-04 10:55:54 AM

bdub77: fredklein: bdub77: Well we let People like You breed

Yeah, someone needs to work to pay taxes.

Well in your little world, that makes you a chump, apparently. Obviously the low income people have it much better as they are idling sitting around firing their guns in the air while drinking booze and masturbating. You could always learn how to suck on the government teat and become one yourself. You know, because it's such an awesome lifestyle.


Bad straw-man. Nobody wants to be like those people. I just want them to take a less of my money.
 
2013-03-04 10:59:23 AM

manimal2878: That could work too.  It just seems insane to me that these cards can be used to purchase things they are not intended for.  With scanning and product coding it should be fairly easy to limit what the cards can be used for.


That's the biggest issue and yes people shouldn't abuse the card but there are always going to be someone that abuses the system so it's the system's job to limit the abuse to a level they find acceptable.
 
2013-03-04 11:01:01 AM

bdub77: Well in your little world, that makes you a chump, apparently. Obviously the low income people have it much better as they are idling sitting around firing their guns in the air while drinking booze and masturbating. You could always learn how to suck on the government teat and become one yourself. You know, because it's such an awesome lifestyle.


1) I have too much pride. Others evidently have none.

2) "Low income"? Once you add everything up, they make well over minimum wage. (Isn't that the argument people use? If they get a min wage job, they'll actually have LESS money?) That makes the min wagers the "low incomers" in that comparison.

3) It must be awesome, or people would, you know, GET OFF IT.
 
2013-03-04 11:03:44 AM

bdub77: Well in your little world, that makes you a chump, apparently.


Yup. Straight, white, middle aged male here.
 
2013-03-04 11:05:01 AM

clane: When Democrats are in power they make more and more and more laws regulating and restricting and taxing that prevent business

[] SUBWAY Founder Slams Regulations: 'If I Started Today, SUBWAY Would Not Exist'...
[] Home Depot Founder: I Couldn't Start Home Depot Today
[] Staples founder: Obama doesn't get it
[] Too many rules are killing America | Fox News


So rich people don't like the guy who wants to increase their tax rates? That's some downright hard hitting investigation right there.
 
2013-03-04 11:07:09 AM

TNel: manimal2878: That could work too.  It just seems insane to me that these cards can be used to purchase things they are not intended for.  With scanning and product coding it should be fairly easy to limit what the cards can be used for.

That's the biggest issue and yes people shouldn't abuse the card but there are always going to be someone that abuses the system so it's the system's job to limit the abuse to a level they find acceptable.


Agreed.  I would rather there be some abuse of a system, than no system to help people at all.  That said, when abuse is found it should be punished.
 
2013-03-04 11:07:10 AM

fredklein: 1) I have too much pride. Others evidently have none.

2) "Low income"? Once you add everything up, they make well over minimum wage. (Isn't that the argument people use? If they get a min wage job, they'll actually have LESS money?) That makes the min wagers the "low incomers" in that comparison.

3) It must be awesome, or people would, you know, GET OFF IT.


You really have no idea how it is to actually "live" off of welfare.  I put that in quotes because it's not the rainbows and unicorns you republicans keep talking about.  I lived off of it for a few years when I was a teenager with my parents and it freaking SUCKED.  The looks you got when you used the stamps, the comments from kids when you use the special green token to get a free meal at school.

You barely get enough to make a passable meal every day.  If it wasn't for my mom being in college and maxing her student loans each semester I'm not sure how else you could really get by.  Keep screaming about those welfare queens, it amazes me how much the Republicans love the 1%.  1% of the wealth hoarders and the 1% of welfare that scam the system.
 
2013-03-04 11:07:35 AM

The Muthaship: mike_d85: I had a freind that paid his rent in food stamp purchases. He was a single man getting stamps for a family of 4. Not a deadbeat, just a clerical error thief.

Word.


Wow, you must be proud.  Your friend sounds like a real pillar of society.
 
2013-03-04 11:08:26 AM

Cold_Sassy: Your friend sounds like a real pillar of society


Not my friend!
 
2013-03-04 11:09:32 AM

Egoy3k: clane: When Democrats are in power they make more and more and more laws regulating and restricting and taxing that prevent business

[] SUBWAY Founder Slams Regulations: 'If I Started Today, SUBWAY Would Not Exist'...
[] Home Depot Founder: I Couldn't Start Home Depot Today
[] Staples founder: Obama doesn't get it
[] Too many rules are killing America | Fox News

So rich people don't like the guy who wants to increase their tax rates? That's some downright hard hitting investigation right there.


Not too mention the tons of new business that have opened under Obama and have somehow figured out ways to make money while these guys admittedly are just not smart enough to do so.
 
2013-03-04 11:09:36 AM

clane: When Democrats are in power they make more and more and more laws regulating and restricting and taxing that prevent business

[] SUBWAY Founder Slams Regulations: 'If I Started Today, SUBWAY Would Not Exist'...
[] Home Depot Founder: I Couldn't Start Home Depot Today
[] Staples founder: Obama doesn't get it
[] Too many rules are killing America | Fox News


1. shiatty food we can do without, and fark Jared btw
2. Overpriced and often inferior to locally sourced hardware
3. shiatty selection, crappy worse than IKEA furniture, and double the price on ink and toner
4. To be fair, I think we're doing a fine job killing ourselves by getting fat and lazy
 
2013-03-04 11:13:48 AM

sodomizer: And this is why the USA is circling the drain, in debt up to its eyebrows. When you buy votes with EBT, you get corruption at every level and an intractable debt problem.

Liberalism is a mental disorder caused by self-pity.


This is a perfect example of what conservatives and republicans believe and is without a doubt the number one reason I would gladly start a civil war against all of them. It's way past reasoning at this point. I'm tired and through listening to them. Go make your own country and take your gay issues, gun issues, abortion issues, and black people issues there. Get all of your little friends together and go talk about all that shiat THERE.
 
2013-03-04 11:17:24 AM

Gifted Many Few: Angry Monkey: 2/10
points deducted for using Reagan-era welfare queen propaganda

Because none of what I said is true. I see the welfare mentality all the time. Parents teach the kids how to keep getting a handout because there are no jobs.

I know a welfare mom that is a stripper on the side. She makes hundreds a day in unreported income and still gets free food on the card. She is by no means living easy though, because she spends most of her money on drugs. So please tell me again how I am just trolling.


one of my sisters is a school teacher in a high poverty area of NY state. most folks are on some program or another. she can tell you about the many kids who show up in shiny new Escalades with different outfits every day, color matched head to toe including new expensive sneakers, jackets and bling. their parents make a lot of money that is unreported income. you can imagine it's a little difficult trying to get these kids to understand the value of an education.

/ crime does pay
 
2013-03-04 11:20:15 AM
I think I'm more OK with EBT recipients buying guns and booze with the funds than I am the governments use of "legitimate" funds to buy guns and ammo.
 
2013-03-04 11:22:18 AM
Here's something that this thread has taught me: all recipients of food aid are unemployed.  That is a new one.
 
2013-03-04 11:23:11 AM

clane: Wrencher: clane:and yall keep voting Democrat...
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I know I'm feeding the troll, but I can't resist.
rustypouch:
There are about 47 million people in the US on some sort of food stamps. http://www.fns.usda.gov/pd/34SNAPmonthly.htm

So if the SNAP program is cut off, we now have 47 million people going hungry. What happens to them? Are they just going to go away and quietly starve? Or will they start stealing rather than dying in a ditch?

47 MILLION!! just think about that.Do you think this program is being abused?  This system does not work at all, it is used by the Democrats to buy votes.  It's original intentions were good but now it is a crime the way it is run.

Well then, maybe the farking " job creators" should create some farking jobs...

When Democrats are in power they make more and more and more laws regulating and restricting and taxing that prevent business

[] SUBWAY Founder Slams Regulations: 'If I Started Today, SUBWAY Would Not Exist'...
[] Home Depot Founder: I Couldn't Start Home Depot Today
[] Staples founder: Obama doesn't get it
[] Too many rules are killing America | Fox News


Using Fox Entertainment to make your point will just get you laughed at by any moderately intelligent/informed person.
 
2013-03-04 11:25:02 AM
RembrandtQEinstein: Government assistance should require implantable or injectable birth control.

I have no problem supporting someone who is incapable of supporting themselves, cradle to grave. I have many problems with allowing people who can't support themselves to procreate.

Wow.  Gesetz zur Verhütung erbkranken Nachwuchses  much?
 
2013-03-04 11:32:06 AM

MyKingdomForYourHorse: clane: When Democrats are in power they make more and more and more laws regulating and restricting and taxing that prevent business

[] SUBWAY Founder Slams Regulations: 'If I Started Today, SUBWAY Would Not Exist'...
[] Home Depot Founder: I Couldn't Start Home Depot Today
[] Staples founder: Obama doesn't get it
[] Too many rules are killing America | Fox News

1. shiatty food we can do without, and fark Jared btw
2. Overpriced and often inferior to locally sourced hardware
3. shiatty selection, crappy worse than IKEA furniture, and double the price on ink and toner
4. To be fair, I think we're doing a fine job killing ourselves by getting fat and lazy


yea, stick it to the man!
images.sodahead.com
 
2013-03-04 11:37:21 AM
clane: When Democrats are in power they make more and more and more laws regulating and restricting and taxing that prevent business

[] SUBWAY Founder Slams Regulations: 'If I Started Today, SUBWAY Would Not Exist'...
[] Home Depot Founder: I Couldn't Start Home Depot Today
[] Staples founder: Obama doesn't get it
[] Too many rules are killing America | Fox News


Egoy3k:
So rich people don't like the guy who wants to increase their tax rates? That's some downright hard hitting investigation right there.

clane:
wwwhhoooooooooooooooooshhhhhhhh... that's the sound of my point flying over your head
 
2013-03-04 11:38:06 AM

fredklein: bdub77: Well in your little world, that makes you a chump, apparently.

Yup. Straight, white, middle aged male here.


Yeah the whole world is just completely against you. After all, you think your sexual orientation has anything to do with it.

Pride is obviously for chumps.

People get off of welfare because they are given a chance - that means better education, better nutrition, access to healthcare, and employment opportunities. The poverty cycle is not an overnight fix either, fixing problems can take decades even if done perfectly right, because it simply takes time. And even with that, you will ALWAYS have people who simply don't want a 'job' for whom the expense of caring for this person will always be a taxpayer expense, whether that expense is funded by the government or not. Prison costs plenty to taxpayers, whether private or public, as does the costs of medical care. And I suppose if you want to be completely ruthless, if we simply let them die someone ultimately has to pick up their corpse and drop them into a ditch somewhere. Seems like a pretty stupid thing to just let people die though because we don't want to pay a few hundred in taxes each year. Then again I'm an actual human being.

And as for your minimum wage argument, this is exactly why wage equality is needed. Because trust me, in this day and age whatever job you are doing can be done by someone more qualified and more skilled than you for less money, I don't care if you're a doctor, lawyer, architect, mechanical engineer, whatever. You (and most of us living in a first world country) should feel lucky to have a job. The only reason most of us still have jobs is because the people above us are either more incompetent than us or perhaps not as evil as we think them. Or perhaps they know if they make it awful enough that we'll rebel.

My wife works for a very large Fortune 500 company where she deals with executives here in the US and sets annual budgets smaller and smaller each year, and the jobs of the executives in this country is basically to save as many of their own people as they can.
 
2013-03-04 11:40:21 AM

MyKingdomForYourHorse: sodomizer: Liberalism is a mental disorder caused by self-pity.

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Yes, serious

As serious as watching your nation go down the drain
 
2013-03-04 11:41:51 AM
manimal2878:
Conservatism is a mental disorder caused by bed wetting fear.

I thought being a conservative meant that you recognize that "Free Candy" was not a sound economic policy.
 
2013-03-04 11:44:45 AM
The stupidest part of the welfare argument is that welfare is a pretty damn small part of our problems with government waste. The military spending on the other hand is asinine. 700 billion dollars a year? That is f*cking insane. Giving money to some person who may or may not make a living selling drugs pales in comparison to the criminals making 'bling' by selling arms at the top of the military industrial complex.

Start there.
 
2013-03-04 11:47:42 AM

The Muthaship: Cold_Sassy: Your friend sounds like a real pillar of society

Not my friend!


I know, I was joining you in trashing mike_d85

This quote feature needs a little tweaking, so it is more clear who said what.
 
2013-03-04 11:48:22 AM

Cold_Sassy: The Muthaship: Cold_Sassy: Your friend sounds like a real pillar of society

Not my friend!

I know, I was joining you in trashing mike_d85

This quote feature needs a little tweaking, so it is more clear who said what.


Well, okay then.
 
2013-03-04 11:48:47 AM

Marcus Aurelius: We obviously need to stop helping poor people and raise their taxes instead.  That'll teach them.


A few people misuse their guns, so we need to crack down on gun ownership for everybody. I fail to see how we shouldn't drastically overhaul the welfare system for the same reason.

We learned it from you, dad.
 
2013-03-04 11:52:17 AM
Liberalism and Conservatism are both mental disorders that cause the sufferers to deny obvious realities and denies them the ability of independent thought. The World is full of Lemmings.
 
2013-03-04 11:52:49 AM

spickus: Because People in power are Stupid: Except that there should be a system in place so that the cards can't be used to buy something like liquor.


There is in every other state. What the fark is Massachusetts problem? The abuse of the cash portion of the card will never go away.


IN CA they can use the cash side (debit) for whatever the fark they want. One of my side jobs is nights at a grocery. They do this shiat all night long at the first of the month....like say....last weekend. Load up on the lottery so they can give back that government money to pay off some school bond or some shiat, then smokes, beer, and anything BUT a goddamn loaf of bread and peanut butter and milk.

Then they hit the cash side of EBT and go buy their weed and heroin with it. OR worse, sell anything with a ton of sugar in it when they're out of eyesight. I watch them do that shiat in he parking lot. Fast forward 8 hours and now they're all tweaked out and one of their family members that's taking care of their kids comes in yelling at me I need to deny this person or that from using EBT as debit as the cash is just going in a vein.

And legally, I can't do shiat about it. It's their free money, and goddamit if you tell a drunk or a tweeker NO.

/that was last week before all their cards reloaded
//true story
///not cool.
 
2013-03-04 12:02:10 PM

ringersol: But people doing this, or selling EBT-purchased groceries for cash, or selling old-school-style food stamps directly, is as inevitable as any corporate tax dodge.
Bad actors exist.  You have some auditing and enforcement, but that becomes quickly self defeating because the overwhelming majority of people are not bad actors and ratcheting down costs more than letting it go.

But the world ain't perfect.  This is better than the alternative.  And I ain't got enough time in the day or rage in my tank to get upset about every hypothetical bad apple.
Particularly those who only have a particular grift made available to them, because they live in the absolute worst of circumstances.

/ lobbying and corporate welfare costs us *far* more money than all the "lucky duckies", "young bucks" and "welfare queens" people can invent.


Holy crap this.  Well said.
 
2013-03-04 12:02:35 PM

bdub77: The stupidest part of the welfare argument is that welfare is a pretty damn small part of our problems with government waste. The military spending on the other hand is asinine. 700 billion dollars a year? That is f*cking insane. Giving money to some person who may or may not make a living selling drugs pales in comparison to the criminals making 'bling' by selling arms at the top of the military industrial complex.

Start there.


You do realize that the military money goes directly right back into local economies right? It doesn't go "POOF" and you never see it again. It goes back to military families, contractors, builders, ancillary personnel and companies, all with families, kids, mortgages, grocery lists, beer, boats, college tuition...all sorts of shiat. They take that military money and put it back into the economy. Hell one of them might even take that E-6 pay and buy a Fark sub.  The military is just another temporary holding point of that money.

What comes around, goes around. Now if you're sending 100 million dollar planes to other countries for defense that turn on you later, with your own shiat, then oh hell yes, I'm with ya on that one.
 
2013-03-04 12:03:21 PM

GORDON: manimal2878:
Conservatism is a mental disorder caused by bed wetting fear.

I thought being a conservative meant that you recognize that "Free Candy" was not a sound economic policy.


In practice being a conservative means you pay lip service to that concept.  Meanwhile you give plenty of "free candy" away to rich dudes, defense contractors, etc.  just not to those welfare queens and slackers.
 
2013-03-04 12:04:55 PM

fanbladesaresharp: spickus: Because People in power are Stupid: Except that there should be a system in place so that the cards can't be used to buy something like liquor.


There is in every other state. What the fark is Massachusetts problem? The abuse of the cash portion of the card will never go away.

IN CA they can use the cash side (debit) for whatever the fark they want. One of my side jobs is nights at a grocery. They do this shiat all night long at the first of the month....like say....last weekend. Load up on the lottery so they can give back that government money to pay off some school bond or some shiat, then smokes, beer, and anything BUT a goddamn loaf of bread and peanut butter and milk.

Then they hit the cash side of EBT and go buy their weed and heroin with it. OR worse, sell anything with a ton of sugar in it when they're out of eyesight. I watch them do that shiat in he parking lot. Fast forward 8 hours and now they're all tweaked out and one of their family members that's taking care of their kids comes in yelling at me I need to deny this person or that from using EBT as debit as the cash is just going in a vein.

And legally, I can't do shiat about it. It's their free money, and goddamit if you tell a drunk or a tweeker NO.

/that was last week before all their cards reloaded
//true story
///not cool.



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2013-03-04 12:11:19 PM

clane: clane:
and yall keep voting Democrat...
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I know I'm feeding the troll, but I can't resist.
rustypouch:
There are about 47 million people in the US on some sort of food stamps. http://www.fns.usda.gov/pd/34SNAPmonthly.htm

So if the SNAP program is cut off, we now have 47 million people going hungry. What happens to them? Are they just going to go away and quietly starve? Or will they start stealing rather than dying in a ditch?

clane:
47 MILLION!! just think about that.Do you think this program is being abused?  This system does not work at all, it is used by the Democrats to buy votes.  It's original intentions were good but now it is a crime the way it is run.


You do know that there are a considerable amount of poor white trash on welfare that would just as soon light their heads on fire than vote for a 'Merica hating, gay Lovin' democrat?
Your oversimplification of issues is amusing though.
 
2013-03-04 12:27:34 PM

TNel: fanbladesaresharp: spickus: Because People in power are Stupid: Except that there should be a system in place so that the cards can't be used to buy something like liquor.


There is in every other state. What the fark is Massachusetts problem? The abuse of the cash portion of the card will never go away.

IN CA they can use the cash side (debit) for whatever the fark they want. One of my side jobs is nights at a grocery. They do this shiat all night long at the first of the month....like say....last weekend. Load up on the lottery so they can give back that government money to pay off some school bond or some shiat, then smokes, beer, and anything BUT a goddamn loaf of bread and peanut butter and milk.

Then they hit the cash side of EBT and go buy their weed and heroin with it. OR worse, sell anything with a ton of sugar in it when they're out of eyesight. I watch them do that shiat in he parking lot. Fast forward 8 hours and now they're all tweaked out and one of their family members that's taking care of their kids comes in yelling at me I need to deny this person or that from using EBT as debit as the cash is just going in a vein.

And legally, I can't do shiat about it. It's their free money, and goddamit if you tell a drunk or a tweeker NO.

/that was last week before all their cards reloaded
//true story
///not cool.


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The plural of anecdote? Did I miss something, or would you like me to post pics tonight of just what the fark goes on? My sarcasm meter is fried. Sorry.
 
2013-03-04 12:28:07 PM

jaybeezey: Marcus Aurelius: We obviously need to stop helping poor people and raise their taxes instead.  That'll teach them.

No, this is why people should be made to work and then have gov't add benefits over and above what they make.

People need to see the reward/benefit to working.


This sounds more sensible....maybe even volunteering locally as jobs can be hard to come by in areas people on assistance live. Seems as though this would benefit everyone....
/would help to reduce the polarization and mistrust the general population has for each other
//sadly the powers that be would never let this fly, we are more easily ruled divided.
///our national identity has been reduced to a sports team like blind allegiance....GO SOX!
 
2013-03-04 12:32:21 PM

fanbladesaresharp: The plural of anecdote? Did I miss something, or would you like me to post pics tonight of just what the fark goes on? My sarcasm meter is fried. Sorry.


According to you everyone is scamming the system.

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2013-03-04 12:33:47 PM

manimal2878: sodomizer: And this is why the USA is circling the drain, in debt up to its eyebrows. When you buy votes with EBT, you get corruption at every level and an intractable debt problem.

Liberalism is a mental disorder caused by self-pity.

No.

This is why the USA is circling the drain, in debt up to its eyebrows. When you buy votes with business subsidies and private military contracts, you get corruption at every level and an intractable debt problem.

Conservatism is a mental disorder caused by bed wetting fear.


Conservatism is a mental disease caused by self-righteousness
 
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