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2013-03-04 09:39:00 AM  

spickus: This has gone on since the start of the program and will likely never stop. Perhaps your benefits are too generous.


to be clear, i get the groceries, i give the cash.  lots of times it is not for them to buy beer (sometimes it is) but to cover monthly transit passes to facilitate looking for work, which is almost impossible while unemployed with no resources and no free transit for poor. a monthly pass here costs about a week of someone's unemployment, so 25% month, you can't make rent and be able to go to interviews without the scam...
 
2013-03-04 09:39:26 AM  

Gifted Many Few: The government wants to give them consequence free money, that is what people are going to do. They just want a hand out and will find any loophole they can to exploit it. None of this is new though. This information gets passed down from welfare mom to child and on and on. They know how to buck the system before they can speak.


2/10
points deducted for using Reagan-era welfare queen propaganda
 
2013-03-04 09:41:01 AM  
Guns? Made in America.
Booze? Made in America (mostly).
Porn? Made in America (mostly).

OMG my tax payer dollars are profiting ventures in the United States, which feeds back into the local and national economy? Unfathomable! This must end! This money could be used to fund tax exemptions for countries that offshore jobs!
 
2013-03-04 09:41:21 AM  

RembrandtQEinstein: Government assistance should require implantable or injectable birth control.

I have no problem supporting someone who is incapable of supporting themselves, cradle to grave. I have many problems with allowing people who can't support themselves to procreate.


DEFUND PLANNED PARENTHOOD!
 
2013-03-04 09:42:18 AM  

mekki: A gun is a "small bit of pleasure?"


Yes, seeing that one can purchase a weapon at retail price then turn around and sell it at street price and make a profit.

It happens, not a lot, but it does.
 
2013-03-04 09:42:34 AM  

Arkanaut: People use EBT to buy guns, porn, booze. Paging Dr. N.S. Sherlock

There's your problem right there.


God, no wonder they're poor.
 
2013-03-04 09:43:33 AM  

Fukuzawa: The agency also claimed that a system that can discriminate between items doesn't exist.

Absolute nonsense, as is most of the article. As someone who has EBT and lives in NJ, every grocery store I've been to knows exactly what is and isn't purchasable with foodstamps. If I have some groceries and say things like mouth wash and soap, it all goes as one purchase, I swipe EBT, EBT pays for all the food stuff and specifically not the things that aren't food, and I can pay with any of the other standard means (cash, credit, debit) for the non food items. No human makes the call, the system knows what is and isn't purchasable.


In Alabama and Kentucky, I always noticed the "X" and the "F" notations on various lines on my grocery receipts.

The "X" indicated an item that could not be purchased with food stamps/EBT.

The "F" indicated an item that could not be purchased with food stamps/EBT but COULD be purchased with a flex spending account (before the regulations changed and they stopped allowing OTC purchases).

/The plural of anecdote is data.
 
2013-03-04 09:43:44 AM  

clane: and yall keep voting Democrat...
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I know I'm feeding the troll, but I can't resist.

There are about 47 million people in the US on some sort of food stamps. http://www.fns.usda.gov/pd/34SNAPmonthly.htm

So if the SNAP program is cut off, we now have 47 million people going hungry. What happens to them? Are they just going to go away and quietly starve? Or will they start stealing rather than dying in a ditch?
 
2013-03-04 09:45:00 AM  

Fukuzawa: As someone who actually uses this program, nothing in this article actually meshes with my experience. But maybe NJ is the one state where it's working as intended?


My medical insurance comes with a FSA card, which prior to some string-tightening used to be usable for OTC medical products.  If you went to, say, a grocer and bought allergy medicine and ibuprofen along with your regular groceries, swiping the FSA card first would allot payment only for those eligible items.  The rest of the groceries wouldn't cause a debit, and you'd pay the rest of your bill normally.

I'm perplexed as to why this article describes such a system as non-existent.
 
2013-03-04 09:45:16 AM  
There are 3 sides to this entire "socialist" argument.  And, here I will illustrate them:

1.  There are people that are unable to work for whatever reason, be it disability, lack of child care options, etc.  So the gov't tries to give them a little money to survive, because the alternative is for them to be institutionalized, and that would cost even more than welfare.

2.  There are people that are unable to work for whatever reason, be it disability, lack of child care options, etc. So, the solution is to let them die and decrease the surplus population.

3.  There are a great number of assholes that take advantage of point #1 to a ludicrous degree.  They are the reason that people on the side of point #2 feel the way they do.

To summerize...  The idea of helping those down on there luck, is a good idea.  The idea of people taking advantage of that is completely f'n wrong.
So what's the final solution?  Obviously there is none.  Otheriwise this debate would not be raging on.
 
2013-03-04 09:46:11 AM  

darwinpolice: Arkanaut: People use EBT to buy guns, porn, booze. Paging Dr. N.S. Sherlock

There's your problem right there.

God, no wonder they're poor.


Are you saying they should be producing porn, or having sex (and making more poor babbys) instead??
 
2013-03-04 09:46:53 AM  

bdub77: Guns? Made in America.
Booze? Made in America (mostly).
Porn? Made in America (mostly).

OMG my tax payer dollars are profiting ventures in the United States, which feeds back into the local and national economy? Unfathomable! This must end! This money could be used to fund tax exemptions for countries that offshore jobs!


So what you're saying is that EBT for porn isn't bad, as long as it isn't used for Russian, Czech and Japanese porn?
 
2013-03-04 09:47:08 AM  
Trust me the system is much better than it used to be when food stamps were paper and people who have their kids buy five cent candies with one dollar food stamps just to get the change.   Food stamps via EBT does not give change.    If any store allows a gun to be paid for with food stamps then the store itself has committed fraud.   It can be fined and have its right to accept food stamps revoked which will almost certain cost them far more than the fraud will have received them.    This kind of fraud is almost certainly very rare as it is not worth it.

But this article is actually about states that use EBT to deliver cash benefits.    Does it surprise anyone that some people will make poor choices in the use of money that is given them.  The only real way to stop that is never to give anyone a helping hand.

/A store manager at a store I worked at once followed a food stamp customer who repeatedly used her food stamps to buy high-dollar energy drinks to a convenience store and then reported the store.   She was selling them to the store for pennies on the dollar for cash.  The sad thing was that she probably needed the food stamps but was probably desperate to get drugs.    Anything can be abused.  I am not going to support the idea that the desperately poor be allowed to starve because some of them make poor choices.

//What a second.  I though right-wingers wanted people to have guns.  ;-)
 
2013-03-04 09:47:26 AM  

Angry Monkey: 2/10
points deducted for using Reagan-era welfare queen propaganda


Because none of what I said is true. I see the welfare mentality all the time. Parents teach the kids how to keep getting a handout because there are no jobs.

I know a welfare mom that is a stripper on the side. She makes hundreds a day in unreported income and still gets free food on the card. She is by no means living easy though, because she spends most of her money on drugs. So please tell me again how I am just trolling.
 
2013-03-04 09:47:42 AM  

rustypouch: So if the SNAP program is cut off, we now have 47 million people going hungry. What happens to them? Are they just going to go away and quietly starve? Or will they start stealing rather than dying in a ditch?


Duh, they'll go pull themselves up by the bootstraps and get jobs*!

/*as hookers
 
2013-03-04 09:47:46 AM  

rustypouch: There are about 47 million people in the US on some sort of food stamps. http://www.fns.usda.gov/pd/34SNAPmonthly.htm

So if the SNAP program is cut off, we now have 47 million people going hungry. What happens to them? Are they just going to go away and quietly starve? Or will they start stealing rather than dying in a ditch?


They could get, you know... jobs.

/Naw
 
2013-03-04 09:49:50 AM  

Mimic_Octopus: spickus: This has gone on since the start of the program and will likely never stop. Perhaps your benefits are too generous.

to be clear, i get the groceries, i give the cash.  lots of times it is not for them to buy beer (sometimes it is) but to cover monthly transit passes to facilitate looking for work, which is almost impossible while unemployed with no resources and no free transit for poor. a monthly pass here costs about a week of someone's unemployment, so 25% month, you can't make rent and be able to go to interviews without the scam...


My mistake, their benefits are too generous.  I understand your point but food stamps are for food and not transit or beer.


/ I'd stop admitting to felonious behavior on the internet.
 
2013-03-04 09:50:32 AM  

rustypouch: clane: and yall keep voting Democrat...
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I know I'm feeding the troll, but I can't resist.

There are about 47 million people in the US on some sort of food stamps. http://www.fns.usda.gov/pd/34SNAPmonthly.htm

So if the SNAP program is cut off, we now have 47 million people going hungry. What happens to them? Are they just going to go away and quietly starve? Or will they start stealing rather than dying in a ditch?


They will obviously all stop any drugs and alcohol they are doing, find a job at once, and become moral citizens. They can obviously work their way out of their subhuman state by working a minimum wage job 60 hours a week whilst simultaneously filling in the holes of their chronically undernourished children's education left by public schools.
 
2013-03-04 09:51:17 AM  
Massachusetts

The state's embattled welfare chief was forced to step down yesterday in the wake of a shocking internal report that found that a staggering 47,000 families receiving taxpayer-funded benefits are unaccounted for - and nearly $30 million in food stamp money went to recipients who were not eligible.   The shocking report, released to the Herald last night, found that the Department of Transitional Assistance has lost track of 47,087 households on welfare - or one out of 10 of the total 478,000 who received DTA mailings.  The welfare department also admitted that it overpaid federal food stamp recipients by a whopping $27.8 million since 2010.
and the Governor Deval Patrick's response?  Why, raise taxes, of course.  Because the answer is always raise taxes.
 
2013-03-04 09:51:29 AM  

fozziewazzi: bdub77: Guns? Made in America.
Booze? Made in America (mostly).
Porn? Made in America (mostly).

OMG my tax payer dollars are profiting ventures in the United States, which feeds back into the local and national economy? Unfathomable! This must end! This money could be used to fund tax exemptions for countries that offshore jobs!

So what you're saying is that EBT for porn isn't bad, as long as it isn't used for Russian, Czech and Japanese porn?


It depends. Was the Russian porn filmed here in the US by the Russian mob? If so...job creation!
 
2013-03-04 09:53:06 AM  

spickus: Mimic_Octopus: spickus: This has gone on since the start of the program and will likely never stop. Perhaps your benefits are too generous.

to be clear, i get the groceries, i give the cash.  lots of times it is not for them to buy beer (sometimes it is) but to cover monthly transit passes to facilitate looking for work, which is almost impossible while unemployed with no resources and no free transit for poor. a monthly pass here costs about a week of someone's unemployment, so 25% month, you can't make rent and be able to go to interviews without the scam...

My mistake, their benefits are too generous.  I understand your point but food stamps are for food and not transit or beer.


/ I'd stop admitting to felonious behavior on the internet.


is there some oath i clicked signing up here that said my posts were actually true ?  does anyone really believe anything someone posts on random message boards ? can you prosecute based on that ? well, shiat.
 
2013-03-04 09:54:49 AM  
1)Welfare fraud is a problem and one that should be addressed in a sensible manner. Preferably with a solution that doesn't cost more than the fraud does.

2)Welfare fraud and welfare in general are not in any way even close to any order of magnitude that would have any noticeable effect on the debt.
 
2013-03-04 09:57:18 AM  
vudukungfu : But mostly in only one size.

TRUE!

factoryconnection: Oh, and said women come in all sorts of colors Cadillacs.  FTFY.  We all know what you meant.
 ALSO TRUE!


/You fellas've won a genuine cement bicycle.  Next round, play for the all-expense-paid trip trip to Coney Island!
 
2013-03-04 10:00:08 AM  
clane:
and yall keep voting Democrat...
[i105.photobucket.com image 544x199]

I know I'm feeding the troll, but I can't resist.

rustypouch:
There are about 47 million people in the US on some sort of food stamps. http://www.fns.usda.gov/pd/34SNAPmonthly.htm

So if the SNAP program is cut off, we now have 47 million people going hungry. What happens to them? Are they just going to go away and quietly starve? Or will they start stealing rather than dying in a ditch?


clane:
47 MILLION!! just think about that.Do you think this program is being abused?  This system does not work at all, it is used by the Democrats to buy votes.  It's original intentions were good but now it is a crime the way it is run.
images.sodahead.com
 
2013-03-04 10:01:49 AM  
Mimic_Octopus:  In oregon I see people ring up a whole cart and then pay what they can on card and the beer and smokes in cash. why the hell are these idiots not capable ? Sounds like bribes to keep the money flowing from taxpayers to businesses

Same in MI.
 
2013-03-04 10:02:00 AM  

Happy Hours: WTF is EBT?


An awesome way for banks to extort more money from 'da poors'.
 
2013-03-04 10:02:28 AM  

bdub77: They will obviously all stop any drugs and alcohol they are doing, find a job at once, and become moral citizens. They can obviously work their way out of their subhuman state by working a minimum wage job 60 hours a week whilst simultaneously filling in the holes of their chronically undernourished children's education left by public schools.


... or we can let them leech off Society, and breed more well-nourished little brats, so the cycle can continue unto the next generation.

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-03-04 10:06:16 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: We obviously need to stop helping poor people and raise their taxes instead.  That'll teach them.


No, this is why people should be made to work and then have gov't add benefits over and above what they make.

People need to see the reward/benefit to working.
 
2013-03-04 10:08:31 AM  

fredklein: rustypouch: There are about 47 million people in the US on some sort of food stamps. http://www.fns.usda.gov/pd/34SNAPmonthly.htm

So if the SNAP program is cut off, we now have 47 million people going hungry. What happens to them? Are they just going to go away and quietly starve? Or will they start stealing rather than dying in a ditch?

They could get, you know... jobs.

/Naw


Genius! Why don't they just do that? Why didn't anyone think of that before?

I'm sure all of them are just lazy, and none of the 7.9% of the employed workforce are out looking.

Let's say all the vacant jobs in the US were filled. About 3 million of them. http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50134943n&tag=contentMain;cbsC a rousel

That leaves 44 million people. What about them?
 
2013-03-04 10:09:13 AM  

fredklein: bdub77: They will obviously all stop any drugs and alcohol they are doing, find a job at once, and become moral citizens. They can obviously work their way out of their subhuman state by working a minimum wage job 60 hours a week whilst simultaneously filling in the holes of their chronically undernourished children's education left by public schools.

... or we can let them leech off Society, and breed more well-nourished little brats, so the cycle can continue unto the next generation.

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Well we let People like You breed, so it's not like We're making the World any smarter anyway now are We?

www.tinalicious.com
 
2013-03-04 10:10:24 AM  
Guns, porn, and booze are basic human rights.  In fact, someone else should be paying for me to have those things.  Someone rich who needs to pay his fair share.

You're not racist, are you?  Give me my free guns, porn, and booze.  I deserve it.
 
2013-03-04 10:10:31 AM  

fredklein: rustypouch: There are about 47 million people in the US on some sort of food stamps. http://www.fns.usda.gov/pd/34SNAPmonthly.htm

So if the SNAP program is cut off, we now have 47 million people going hungry. What happens to them? Are they just going to go away and quietly starve? Or will they start stealing rather than dying in a ditch?

They could get, you know... jobs.

/Naw


1) Roight, guv.  They can go work for Walmart.  And still end up needing a handout.
2) The economy's in the crapper and it's B. Hussein Osama's fault.
 
2013-03-04 10:11:01 AM  

fozziewazzi: So what you're saying is that EBT for porn isn't bad, as long as it isn't used for Russian, Czech and Japanese porn?


When I watch bukkake I make sure its American Bukkake
 
2013-03-04 10:12:35 AM  

Mimic_Octopus: can you prosecute based on that ? well, shiat.


No, probably not.

Mimic_Octopus: is there some oath i clicked signing up here that said my posts were actually true ?  does anyone really believe anything someone posts on random message boards ?


So are you a liar or a felon?

;)
 
2013-03-04 10:14:05 AM  

MyKingdomForYourHorse: fozziewazzi: So what you're saying is that EBT for porn isn't bad, as long as it isn't used for Russian, Czech and Japanese porn?

When I watch bukkake I make sure its American Bukkake


I feel like that should be the name of a cable TV show.
 
2013-03-04 10:15:44 AM  
The guns thing really makes sense from a pure economics perspective.

1) Use EBT to trade in for cash.
2) Use cash to buy guns.
3) Use guns to get more cash.
4) Profit!
 
2013-03-04 10:16:55 AM  

Raider_dad: Happy Hours: WTF is EBT?

Electronic Benefits Transfer.

food stamps on a card.


We should go back to government cheese.  Yes, food products in a white box simply labeled with what is inside and required ingrediant labels.  Like the white box containing cheese or the bag that simply says: rice.  If you want or need these foods you have to come and pick them up from the government office.  There is no reason to give anyone cash for food.
 
2013-03-04 10:19:56 AM  

clane: clane:
and yall keep voting Democrat...
[i105.photobucket.com image 544x199]

I know I'm feeding the troll, but I can't resist.
rustypouch:
There are about 47 million people in the US on some sort of food stamps. http://www.fns.usda.gov/pd/34SNAPmonthly.htm

So if the SNAP program is cut off, we now have 47 million people going hungry. What happens to them? Are they just going to go away and quietly starve? Or will they start stealing rather than dying in a ditch?

clane:
47 MILLION!! just think about that.Do you think this program is being abused?  This system does not work at all, it is used by the Democrats to buy votes.  It's original intentions were good but now it is a crime the way it is run.
[images.sodahead.com image 350x261]


Yay, misleading graphs that ignore actual causes of things.
 
2013-03-04 10:20:18 AM  

bdub77: MyKingdomForYourHorse: fozziewazzi: So what you're saying is that EBT for porn isn't bad, as long as it isn't used for Russian, Czech and Japanese porn?

When I watch bukkake I make sure its American Bukkake

I feel like that should be the name of a cable TV show.


Shame you didn't say network, NBC could use anything right now to lift them out of the slump.
 
2013-03-04 10:20:21 AM  

clane: clane:
and yall keep voting Democrat...
[i105.photobucket.com image 544x199]

I know I'm feeding the troll, but I can't resist.
rustypouch:
There are about 47 million people in the US on some sort of food stamps. http://www.fns.usda.gov/pd/34SNAPmonthly.htm

So if the SNAP program is cut off, we now have 47 million people going hungry. What happens to them? Are they just going to go away and quietly starve? Or will they start stealing rather than dying in a ditch?

clane:
47 MILLION!! just think about that.Do you think this program is being abused?  This system does not work at all, it is used by the Democrats to buy votes.  It's original intentions were good but now it is a crime the way it is run.
[images.sodahead.com image 350x261]


I don't like politics but as an analyst I always hate to see graphs distorted to suit one thing. First the height of the bar under Obama should be under double the height of bar under Bush. But the Y-axis conveniently doesn't start from zero. Next the data needs to be superimposed with unemployment, economy, average family income, population etc over time. Even if your point was valid, use of this graph totally invalidates your point.
 
2013-03-04 10:21:19 AM  

The Muthaship: They do not.  They use it for staples, and only until they get back on their feet.  You shut up, meany!


This.

/readies popcorn
 
2013-03-04 10:22:14 AM  

clane: and yall keep voting Democrat...
[i105.photobucket.com image 544x199]


Does the republican version say:  Work Harder: a Romney needs a new summer home.
 
2013-03-04 10:25:03 AM  
My FSA can handle this quite easily.  Leave it to Massachusetts government to go with the lowest bidder for software development for this work (or at least have not completed a requirements document for the software development).
 
2013-03-04 10:25:41 AM  

sodomizer: And this is why the USA is circling the drain, in debt up to its eyebrows. When you buy votes with EBT, you get corruption at every level and an intractable debt problem.

Liberalism is a mental disorder caused by self-pity.


No.

This is why the USA is circling the drain, in debt up to its eyebrows. When you buy votes with business subsidies and private military contracts, you get corruption at every level and an intractable debt problem.

Conservatism is a mental disorder caused by bed wetting fear.
 
2013-03-04 10:29:05 AM  

Fukuzawa: The agency also claimed that a system that can discriminate between items doesn't exist.

Absolute nonsense, as is most of the article. As someone who has EBT and lives in NJ, every grocery store I've been to knows exactly what is and isn't purchasable with foodstamps. If I have some groceries and say things like mouth wash and soap, it all goes as one purchase, I swipe EBT, EBT pays for all the food stuff and specifically not the things that aren't food, and I can pay with any of the other standard means (cash, credit, debit) for the non food items. No human makes the call, the system knows what is and isn't purchasable.

As someone who actually uses this program, nothing in this article actually meshes with my experience. But maybe NJ is the one state where it's working as intended?

/My anecdote IS DATA
//Pose in threatening poor person posture


I've also used the program. Everything is coded as allowed or not allowed. In my state only "non-prepared" foods are allowed, so you can't buy any hot foods at 7-11, but you can buy the frozen burrito and then nuke it after purchase.

If you have a mix of food and non-food items in your purchase, you swipe the EBT card first, it takes the total of food items and leaves a balance for anything else which can be paid in cash/credit/etc.

The thing that always bothered me about the program were all the items that were counted as "food" items. IMHO there's no reason for a Slurpee to be purchasable with food stamps. Hell, soda (especially fountain drinks) and other items with negligible nutritional value shouldn't be allowed.

For that matter, it wouldn't have bothered me one bit if the card had been limited to milk, eggs, bread, cheese (real cheese, not string cheese snacks) and sugar, flour, baking powder etc. that can be used to bake. Oh, and meat.

All the processed foods like hot pockets and frozen pizza were nice to have every once in a while, but it always made me cringe when the person in front of me at the register used food stamps to purchase 15 frozen pizzas, a few pints of Ben and Jerry's, couple dozen donuts, half a dozen bags of doritos, and 10 two-liter bottles of soda then paid cash for 3 cases of beer and a two cartons of cigarettes.

/wife went to work part time and her income disqualified us
//was a net LOSS for her to work since she didn't make as much after day care as they gave us for food
///still very happy to not be using them anymore
 
2013-03-04 10:29:48 AM  

bdub77: Well we let People like You breed


Yeah, someone needs to work to pay taxes.
 
2013-03-04 10:32:01 AM  

clane: clane:
and yall keep voting Democrat...
[i105.photobucket.com image 544x199]

I know I'm feeding the troll, but I can't resist.
rustypouch:
There are about 47 million people in the US on some sort of food stamps. http://www.fns.usda.gov/pd/34SNAPmonthly.htm

So if the SNAP program is cut off, we now have 47 million people going hungry. What happens to them? Are they just going to go away and quietly starve? Or will they start stealing rather than dying in a ditch?

clane:
47 MILLION!! just think about that.Do you think this program is being abused?  This system does not work at all, it is used by the Democrats to buy votes.  It's original intentions were good but now it is a crime the way it is run.


Well then, maybe the farking " job creators" should create some farking jobs...
 
2013-03-04 10:33:03 AM  

manimal2878: clane: and yall keep voting Democrat...
[i105.photobucket.com image 544x199]

Does the republican version say:  Work Harder: a Romney needs a new summer home.


step away from the liberal kool aid


twighlightslastgleaming.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-03-04 10:35:11 AM  

fredklein: bdub77: Well we let People like You breed

Yeah, someone needs to work to pay taxes.


Well in your little world, that makes you a chump, apparently. Obviously the low income people have it much better as they are idling sitting around firing their guns in the air while drinking booze and masturbating. You could always learn how to suck on the government teat and become one yourself. You know, because it's such an awesome lifestyle.
 
2013-03-04 10:39:14 AM  

clane: manimal2878: clane: and yall keep voting Democrat...
[i105.photobucket.com image 544x199]

Does the republican version say:  Work Harder: a Romney needs a new summer home.

step away from the liberal kool aid


[twighlightslastgleaming.files.wordpress.com image 500x416]


Irrelevant to the point.
 
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