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2013-03-04 08:08:18 AM  
ADHD leads to other psychiatric disorders in adulthood? That sounds really scary! I'd better finish RTFA if I can focus long enough...

...So by "psychiatric problems" we're talking largely about self medicating, anxiety, and depression? Yeah, nothing new there.
 
2013-03-04 08:42:46 AM  
Well, duh.
 
2013-03-04 08:53:48 AM  
Which ADHD?  There's like three of them, and the Inattentive one was already understood to persist in adulthood.
 
2013-03-04 08:54:01 AM  
Wait, so psychiatric problems don't just disappear the day we turn 18?  Or is it 21? 25? or 17 in Nevada and parts of Montana.
 
2013-03-04 08:54:24 AM  
Have ha ADHD my entire life, don't take meds, never will. I dont want to be medicated my whole life, only to decide one day im done being medicated and cant come off it because i dont know how to lice wirh it. If you live with it you learn to manage it, just like any "disorder." In my case, and I'm sure many others, I've made it my strength, among other thing I multi-task extremely well(can't stay on a single task though).
 
2013-03-04 08:55:40 AM  
tl;dr
 
2013-03-04 08:55:57 AM  
I used Ritalin as a means of taking college classes without losing my focus at five minute intervals. Doing so substantially improved my academic performance.

I no longer use the drug now, but I do still suffer from concentration deficiency.
 
2013-03-04 08:58:35 AM  

Gdalescrboz: Have ha ADHD my entire life, don't take meds, never will. I dont want to be medicated my whole life, only to decide one day im done being medicated and cant come off it because i dont know how to lice wirh it. If you live with it you learn to manage it, just like any "disorder." In my case, and I'm sure many others, I've made it my strength, among other thing I multi-task extremely well(can't stay on a single task though).


By denying Big Pharma of its cut of sweet sweet cash, you are truly history's greatest monster.
 
2013-03-04 09:00:21 AM  

Gdalescrboz: Have ha ADHD my entire life, don't take meds, never will. I dont want to be medicated my whole life, only to decide one day im done being medicated and cant come off it because i dont know how to lice wirh it. If you live with it you learn to manage it, just like any "disorder." In my case, and I'm sure many others, I've made it my strength, among other thing I multi-task extremely well(can't stay on a single task though).


I don't take meds for it either. I just drink. That's how I deal with it. Beer is good because it - oh look, the birds are chirping outside (I hate this farking meme)
 
2013-03-04 09:02:29 AM  
I still think ADHD is a myth perpetuated by a few to have a new "victim class"

A bunch of people, normally middle class whites, need to find a new reason for society to pay attention to them. It's like the middle child syndrome.
 
2013-03-04 09:03:15 AM  
I was on Ritalin in the mid 70's but my folks thought they would rather have me as I was than a zombie like shell of my former self, yet attentive child.

So I guess I got "lucky" with the alcoholism in adult life and that's why I work convenience store retail .  shiat comin' at me from all over , yeah bring it!.
 
2013-03-04 09:05:47 AM  
Every adult I've met with "ADD" ended up just being bi-polar.
 
2013-03-04 09:05:55 AM  
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2013-03-04 09:06:35 AM  
Well, yeah. And sometimes you struggle with ADD your entire goddamn life while being misdiagnosed with a host of other disorders that are all just symptoms of your long untreated ADD, then are told as an adult that you can't possibly have ADD because you were never diagnosed as a child...

I finally got my ADD diagnosis at 33, and I have to say, the symptoms are INFINITELY more impairing as an adult than they were when I was a kid.

There really needs to be more resources for adults with ADD. Kids can have it tough too but add adult responsibilities to the problems of ADD and it can get damn near unbearable trying to juggle everything when your stupid distracted forgetful brain seems to sabotage every effort to complete even the simplest task.

/still trying to find meds that work.
 
2013-03-04 09:08:27 AM  
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2013-03-04 09:10:06 AM  
As an adult with ADHD I can confirm this.
 
2013-03-04 09:13:34 AM  

Gifted Many Few: I still think ADHD is a myth perpetuated by a few to have a new "victim class"

A bunch of people, normally middle class whites, need to find a new reason for society to pay attention to them. It's like the middle child syndrome.


It's real. It's just over-diagnosed. It's much easier to label someone than to actually help them.

You sound ADHD. (not really, but you see how it works now?)
 
2013-03-04 09:13:42 AM  
I know WAY too many people that say they or someone they know has adult ADHD.  I don't buy it.  Yeah, I'd rather be doing a lot of other things than work too.  Yeah I find it hard to concentrate too.  STFU, GBTW.   The only common factor in all of your life failures is you.
 
2013-03-04 09:14:47 AM  

simusid: I know WAY too many people that say they or someone they know has adult ADHD.  I don't buy it.  Yeah, I'd rather be doing a lot of other things than work too.  Yeah I find it hard to concentrate too.  STFU, GBTW.   The only common factor in all of your life failures is you.


Your ignorance is stunning.
 
2013-03-04 09:18:34 AM  

simusid: I know WAY too many people that say they or someone they know has adult ADHD.  I don't buy it.  Yeah, I'd rather be doing a lot of other things than work too.  Yeah I find it hard to concentrate too.  STFU, GBTW.   The only common factor in all of your life failures is you.


It's not that we'd rather do something else. For example, you're at home.  You walk by the trash can, it's full and needs to be taken outside.  You recognize that it is full, you have absolutely no issue with the task, and see no reason not to do it. You then proceed to walk right by it still thinking you need to take it out.  4 hours later, you have spent the last 4 hours bouncing back and forth between whatever you were doing and the thought that you should take out the trash but just can't summon the willpower to actually get up and do it. Hell, you may have walked by it three or four more times that evening. That is ADHD.
 
2013-03-04 09:20:02 AM  
I'd kill for the hyperactivity part.
 
2013-03-04 09:21:45 AM  
Adult with ADD here that I can confirm it lasts past childhood. I learned to manage it to some extent in my teens so I could come off the medication. But I still have frequent issues with concentration on anything that lasts more an than hour unless it is something I enjoy or like doing. And even then, unless it needs total attention I will daydream or do other self-distracting things.
 
2013-03-04 09:23:24 AM  

Gdalescrboz: Have ha ADHD my entire life, don't take meds, never will. I dont want to be medicated my whole life, only to decide one day im done being medicated and cant come off it because i dont know how to lice wirh it. If you live with it you learn to manage it, just like any "disorder." In my case, and I'm sure many others, I've made it my strength, among other thing I multi-task extremely well(can't stay on a single task though).


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feingold_diet  <---Changed my life.

/not quackery
 
2013-03-04 09:23:32 AM  

Chabash: simusid: I know WAY too many people that say they or someone they know has adult ADHD.  I don't buy it.  Yeah, I'd rather be doing a lot of other things than work too.  Yeah I find it hard to concentrate too.  STFU, GBTW.   The only common factor in all of your life failures is you.

It's not that we'd rather do something else. For example, you're at home.  You walk by the trash can, it's full and needs to be taken outside.  You recognize that it is full, you have absolutely no issue with the task, and see no reason not to do it. You then proceed to walk right by it still thinking you need to take it out.  4 hours later, you have spent the last 4 hours bouncing back and forth between whatever you were doing and the thought that you should take out the trash but just can't summon the willpower to actually get up and do it. Hell, you may have walked by it three or four more times that evening. That is ADHD.


Not making a great argument here for hiring people with ADHD.  I don't give a shiat if you can't "summon the willpower" to not surf Fark at work.
 
2013-03-04 09:24:48 AM  
Made up diseases continue to grow in number, news at 11:00.

Good smacking now and then cures that early. ADHD is a term for laziness and lack of discipline, enabled by poor parenting. South Park had that right.
 
2013-03-04 09:25:41 AM  

Gifted Many Few: I still think ADHD is a myth perpetuated by a few to have a new "victim class"

A bunch of people, normally middle class whites, need to find a new reason for society to pay attention to them. It's like the middle child syndrome.


Your hypothesis is fascinating. Please present your credentials in the field of psychology, and describe the extensive peer reviewed research that has allowed you to credible derive your conclusion.
 
2013-03-04 09:27:25 AM  

FLMountainMan: Chabash: simusid: I know WAY too many people that say they or someone they know has adult ADHD.  I don't buy it.  Yeah, I'd rather be doing a lot of other things than work too.  Yeah I find it hard to concentrate too.  STFU, GBTW.   The only common factor in all of your life failures is you.

It's not that we'd rather do something else. For example, you're at home.  You walk by the trash can, it's full and needs to be taken outside.  You recognize that it is full, you have absolutely no issue with the task, and see no reason not to do it. You then proceed to walk right by it still thinking you need to take it out.  4 hours later, you have spent the last 4 hours bouncing back and forth between whatever you were doing and the thought that you should take out the trash but just can't summon the willpower to actually get up and do it. Hell, you may have walked by it three or four more times that evening. That is ADHD.

Not making a great argument here for hiring people with ADHD.  I don't give a shiat if you can't "summon the willpower" to not surf Fark at work.


Who's at work at 6:30am?
 
2013-03-04 09:27:52 AM  

Chabash: simusid: I know WAY too many people that say they or someone they know has adult ADHD.  I don't buy it.  Yeah, I'd rather be doing a lot of other things than work too.  Yeah I find it hard to concentrate too.  STFU, GBTW.   The only common factor in all of your life failures is you.

It's not that we'd rather do something else. For example, you're at home.  You walk by the trash can, it's full and needs to be taken outside.  You recognize that it is full, you have absolutely no issue with the task, and see no reason not to do it. You then proceed to walk right by it still thinking you need to take it out.  4 hours later, you have spent the last 4 hours bouncing back and forth between whatever you were doing and the thought that you should take out the trash but just can't summon the willpower to actually get up and do it. Hell, you may have walked by it three or four more times that evening. That is ADHD.


Sounds like laziness to me.

Note that I don't mean that as a insult. But what do I know, I feel like that all the ti... Kitties!!!!
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2013-03-04 09:29:43 AM  

Thunderpipes: Made up diseases continue to grow in number, news at 11:00.

Good smacking now and then cures that early. ADHD is a term for laziness and lack of discipline, enabled by poor parenting. South Park had that right.


From which medical school did you earn your Psychology degree?
 
2013-03-04 09:29:52 AM  

I_Am_Weasel: I'd kill for the hyperactivity part.


No, you wouldn't.  I'm severely bipolar (predominantly manic), and my energy is so high at times that I lose touch with reality and fall into full-blown psychosis.  I've been hospitalized for it.  It's like the intense physical restlessness that can't be alleviated just makes my brain snap.  It's not fun.  At all.

/properly medicated for the safety of society
 
2013-03-04 09:30:33 AM  
Relevant?

"For the first time, scientists have discovered that five major psychiatric disorders-autism, attention deficit-hyperactivity disorder, bipolar disorder, major depressive disorder and schizophrenia-share several common genetic risk factors." Citation Link
 
2013-03-04 09:30:57 AM  
Are all the ADD denyers saying that we should just let anyone have Ritalin? That seems like a fair way to do it.
 
2013-03-04 09:32:05 AM  
Well, duh!
 
2013-03-04 09:33:00 AM  

Happy Hours: You sound ADHD. (not really, but you see how it works now?)


I've been told I have Aspergers. Not from a doctor, but from people that hear how I talk. I am the guy that will complain about my food not being done right in a restaurant or telling the mailman to wipe his feet before walking on my porch. I don't have a social condition, I just tell people how it is.

I feel ADHD is the same thing. Someone isn't doing well, we have to have a medical reason, so they can't be persecuted.
 
2013-03-04 09:33:16 AM  

Gdalescrboz: Have ha ADHD my entire life, don't take meds, never will. I dont want to be medicated my whole life, only to decide one day im done being medicated and cant come off it because i dont know how to lice wirh it. If you live with it you learn to manage it, just like any "disorder." In my case, and I'm sure many others, I've made it my strength, among other thing I multi-task extremely well(can't stay on a single task though).


Me too. I just considered it a strength that I could use to do several things at once.I am Autistic and so my processing is lowered. My ADHD speeds it up and helps me look at different things at once. It helps me make better decisions because my mind can move on to other possibilities.  I am also a master multitasker. I can't stay on one thing long without forcing myself. Maybe we dont need treatment just because the rest of the world doesn't have our skills.
 
2013-03-04 09:33:16 AM  

Chabash: absolutely


Chabash: simusid: I know WAY too many people that say they or someone they know has adult ADHD.  I don't buy it.  Yeah, I'd rather be doing a lot of other things than work too.  Yeah I find it hard to concentrate too.  STFU, GBTW.   The only common factor in all of your life failures is you.

It's not that we'd rather do something else. For example, you're at home.  You walk by the trash can, it's full and needs to be taken outside.  You recognize that it is full, you have absolutely no issue with the task, and see no reason not to do it. You then proceed to walk right by it still thinking you need to take it out.  4 hours later, you have spent the last 4 hours bouncing back and forth between whatever you were doing and the thought that you should take out the trash but just can't summon the willpower to actually get up and do it. Hell, you may have walked by it three or four more times that evening. That is ADHD.


I'm not saying NOBODY has adult ADHD, I'm saying that the people that tell me they do, don't.
 
2013-03-04 09:34:15 AM  

Thunderpipes: Made up diseases continue to grow in number, news at 11:00.

Good smacking now and then cures that early. ADHD is a term for laziness and lack of discipline, enabled by poor parenting. South Park had that right.


And if you smack your nearsighted kid hard enough he'll see the errors of his lazy-looking ways and see right.  Screw the glasses/contacts industry agenda.
 
2013-03-04 09:35:37 AM  

Brittabot: I finally got my ADD diagnosis at 33, and I have to say, the symptoms are INFINITELY more impairing as an adult than they were when I was a kid.

There really needs to be more resources for adults with ADD. Kids can have it tough too but add adult responsibilities to the problems of ADD and it can get damn near unbearable trying to juggle everything when your stupid distracted forgetful brain seems to sabotage every effort to complete even the simplest task.


I've been trying various motivation sites. You know, the sort. Chore Wars types. As long as I can remember to go to the site, I can get SOME stuff done.

However, my productivity at work went from 2 hours a month to a solid 4 hours a day once I started taking something for the ADD (Laziness can't be medicated). I know people hate it, but man... When it works, it works. I'm a much happier, calmer person now. I'm not constantly hating myself.
 
2013-03-04 09:39:28 AM  

Raider_dad: I was on Ritalin in the mid 70's but my folks thought they would rather have me as I was than a zombie like shell of my former self, yet attentive child.

So I guess I got "lucky" with the alcoholism in adult life and that's why I work convenience store retail .  shiat comin' at me from all over , yeah bring it!.


And for the idiots who say "hey, they dope kids up with Ritalin so they just sit there", for about the millionth time,  Ritalin is an upper.

But I see some of the usual suspects have weighed in.  "Ugh, kids in school look like zombies must be drugged up on Ritalin and Prozac."  I used to work with a guy whose kid was misdiagnosed with ADHD, was prescribed Ritalin, and literally started hitting his head against a door because he couldn't stop moving.

"Oh, ADHD is just made up."  Yeah...fark you, idiots with your FOX News School of Medicine degrees.  You're right up there with Dr. Jenny McCarthy.
 
2013-03-04 09:41:02 AM  

simusid: I know WAY too many people that say they or someone they know has adult ADHD.  I don't buy it.  Yeah, I'd rather be doing a lot of other things than work too.  Yeah I find it hard to concentrate too.  STFU, GBTW.   The only common factor in all of your life failures is you.


I'm such a failure, I'm a year away from getting my PhD in physics.

/STFU yourself, son.
 
2013-03-04 09:41:03 AM  

Dimensio: Your hypothesis is fascinating. Please present your credentials in the field of psychology, and describe the extensive peer reviewed research that has allowed you to credible derive your conclusion.


Psychology has little to do with it. Look at the all the drug commercials. They target middle class whites. They have trouble with depression, psoriasis, allergies, constipation, gout, arthritis and getting a boner. If you believe TV, the middle whites are falling apart.
 
2013-03-04 09:41:07 AM  
Great.

I was given ADHD medications when I was a kid. Does this mean I could now have to deal with harassment of some kind because it's somewhere on my medical records?
 
2013-03-04 09:42:22 AM  

theMightyRegeya: And for the idiots who say "hey, they dope kids up with Ritalin so they just sit there", for about the millionth time, Ritalin is an upper.


You can get a slightly deadened feeling if you're overmedicated. That was with Adderall, however. I noticed with my son that he gets super-duper serious (and depressed as all hell), and then he was kind of non-responsive emotionally. So I understand the "doped up" thing, at least in part. I still hate listening to the "ADHD is just not being spanked enough" bullshiat though.
 
2013-03-04 09:43:39 AM  

Dimensio: Thunderpipes: Made up diseases continue to grow in number, news at 11:00.

Good smacking now and then cures that early. ADHD is a term for laziness and lack of discipline, enabled by poor parenting. South Park had that right.

From which medical school did you earn your Psychology degree?


Medical School of Life.

Guy above said he can't bring himself to muster the will to take the trash out? That is a goddamn disease now? Come on. That's why none of this crap existed a few decades ago. Parents straightened their kids out before they grew up sheltered and crying on the couch while the trash piled up.
 
2013-03-04 09:43:41 AM  

Fecacacophany: Thunderpipes: Made up diseases continue to grow in number, news at 11:00.

Good smacking now and then cures that early. ADHD is a term for laziness and lack of discipline, enabled by poor parenting. South Park had that right.

And if you smack your nearsighted kid hard enough he'll see the errors of his lazy-looking ways and see right.  Screw the glasses/contacts industry agenda.


You know, I really don't understand people.  Fark tends to be full of people who make fun of people who worship magical sky wizards, yet seem to fail to understand that the brain is an organ, just like any other, and things can go wrong with it, just like any other organ.

I've spent my life avoiding taking more drugs, because when I was a teenager I had to go on antiseizure medication that really  didturn me into a zombie.  Well, hell, the condition made me a zombie, too.  But I've spent much of my 38 years living in a fog.  fark anyone who thinks it's made up, imaginary, or an excuse.  It's a disorder.  You wouldn't tell a person with cancer that they just need to straighten up and grow cells the right way, would you?
 
2013-03-04 09:44:07 AM  

RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: simusid: I know WAY too many people that say they or someone they know has adult ADHD.  I don't buy it.  Yeah, I'd rather be doing a lot of other things than work too.  Yeah I find it hard to concentrate too.  STFU, GBTW.   The only common factor in all of your life failures is you.

Your ignorance is stunning.


amazingly many civilizations flourished before humans came up with daily psych meds for the masses.
 
2013-03-04 09:44:27 AM  

Aidan: I noticed with my son that he gets super-duper serious (and depressed as all hell), and then he was kind of non-responsive emotionally. So I understand the "doped up" thing, at least in part.


www.dosenation.com
 
2013-03-04 09:44:57 AM  

Chabash: simusid: I know WAY too many people that say they or someone they know has adult ADHD.  I don't buy it.  Yeah, I'd rather be doing a lot of other things than work too.  Yeah I find it hard to concentrate too.  STFU, GBTW.   The only common factor in all of your life failures is you.

It's not that we'd rather do something else. For example, you're at home.  You walk by the trash can, it's full and needs to be taken outside.  You recognize that it is full, you have absolutely no issue with the task, and see no reason not to do it. You then proceed to walk right by it still thinking you need to take it out.  4 hours later, you have spent the last 4 hours bouncing back and forth between whatever you were doing and the thought that you should take out the trash but just can't summon the willpower to actually get up and do it. Hell, you may have walked by it three or four more times that evening. That is ADHD.


Really?? seriously, if that's a good description, that describes me to a T....as with with cleaning in general...I see it, I know I have to do it but I find it almost impossible until its to a point that its embarrassing.....please tell me there's a farking pill for this...it drives me crazy and has ruined relationships in the past...I would love to not be like this.
 
2013-03-04 09:45:14 AM  

Brittabot: Well, yeah. And sometimes you struggle with ADD your entire goddamn life while being misdiagnosed with a host of other disorders that are all just symptoms of your long untreated ADD, then are told as an adult that you can't possibly have ADD because you were never diagnosed as a child...

I finally got my ADD diagnosis at 33, and I have to say, the symptoms are INFINITELY more impairing as an adult than they were when I was a kid.

There really needs to be more resources for adults with ADD. Kids can have it tough too but add adult responsibilities to the problems of ADD and it can get damn near unbearable trying to juggle everything when your stupid distracted forgetful brain seems to sabotage every effort to complete even the simplest task.

/still trying to find meds that work.


Vyvanse has been good for me... only problem is the cost... Vyvanse is twice as much as Aderol
 
2013-03-04 09:45:52 AM  

fredklein: Aidan: I noticed with my son that he gets super-duper serious (and depressed as all hell), and then he was kind of non-responsive emotionally. So I understand the "doped up" thing, at least in part.

[www.dosenation.com image 500x675]


Precisely. That's not a good thing for kids (being super serious I mean).
 
2013-03-04 09:48:32 AM  

Gifted Many Few: Dimensio: Your hypothesis is fascinating. Please present your credentials in the field of psychology, and describe the extensive peer reviewed research that has allowed you to credible derive your conclusion.

Psychology has little to do with it. Look at the all the drug commercials. They target middle class whites. They have trouble with depression, psoriasis, allergies, constipation, gout, arthritis and getting a boner. If you believe TV, the middle whites are falling apart.


You have not explained how you have determined that the psychologists who have derived the condition of Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder are in error.
 
2013-03-04 09:50:16 AM  

Thunderpipes: Dimensio: Thunderpipes: Made up diseases continue to grow in number, news at 11:00.

Good smacking now and then cures that early. ADHD is a term for laziness and lack of discipline, enabled by poor parenting. South Park had that right.

From which medical school did you earn your Psychology degree?

Medical School of Life.

Guy above said he can't bring himself to muster the will to take the trash out? That is a goddamn disease now? Come on. That's why none of this crap existed a few decades ago. Parents straightened their kids out before they grew up sheltered and crying on the couch while the trash piled up.


I am unable to locate any accredited institution named "Medical School of Life".

Please reference the substantial body of peer reviewed research that must exist to justify your assertion that the condition known as "Attention Deficit and Hyperactivity Disorder" is actually just "laziness". Explain how you have determined that numerous psychologists are in error.
 
2013-03-04 09:50:45 AM  

fredklein: Aidan: I noticed with my son that he gets super-duper serious (and depressed as all hell), and then he was kind of non-responsive emotionally. So I understand the "doped up" thing, at least in part.

[www.dosenation.com image 500x675]


www.catster.com

I've never seen that Calvin and Hobbes.  That's seriously depressing.
 
2013-03-04 09:51:26 AM  

Gary Coleman's kidneys: Really?? seriously, if that's a good description, that describes me to a T....as with with cleaning in general...I see it, I know I have to do it but I find it almost impossible until its to a point that its embarrassing.....please tell me there's a farking pill for this...it drives me crazy and has ruined relationships in the past...I would love to not be like this.


woldfitness.com

It's called "dontbelazyium". I've been taking it with moderate success.
 
2013-03-04 09:52:06 AM  

I_Am_Weasel: Well, duh.


heh.

mattador: Every adult I've met with "ADD" ended up just being bi-polar.


Don't know about 'every', though the worst case of teenage ADHD I'd ever seen, like I honestly didn't believe it was real until I met this kid (at 15), he developed bi-polar disorder right when he was ~25.

And then he became an abusive dickweed.
 
2013-03-04 09:52:47 AM  

FatherChaos:
I've never seen that Calvin and Hobbes.  That's seriously depressing.


Here's the antidote:

i93.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-04 09:53:02 AM  

Brittabot: Well, yeah. And sometimes you struggle with ADD your entire goddamn life while being misdiagnosed with a host of other disorders that are all just symptoms of your long untreated ADD, then are told as an adult that you can't possibly have ADD because you were never diagnosed as a child...

I finally got my ADD diagnosis at 33, and I have to say, the symptoms are INFINITELY more impairing as an adult than they were when I was a kid.


Sounds like my experience; I was struggling with focus in my final year of my history degree, and finally sought out a psychiatrist's opinion.  Diagnosis was ADHD, at age 26.  Not sudden onset; one of the things we reviewed was my scholastic history, and looking back, every one of my report cards going back to Kindergarten had "can't sit still" or "trouble paying attention" somewhere on it.  The signs were all there, but my dad had a government job and we moved cities every few years, and no teachers made the connection.

Thankfully, caffeine works for me, but I need to regulate it; I need about 100mg every 3-4 hours.  Too much, and I just go out the far side and get hyper and twitchy.  

FLMountainMan: Not making a great argument here for hiring people with ADHD.  I don't give a shiat if you can't "summon the willpower" to not surf Fark at work.


This is like trying to describe addiction to someone who's never been addicted.  It's not about not giving a shiat.  It's about loving the work you do, and really wanting to get on that fascinating project that needs to get done by tomorrow, and here it is, 10pm, and you've been playing Minesweeper for three hours.  Minesweeper farking sucks.  You know it sucks.  Your project is much more fun.  Hell, any of a dozen other games you've got on your PC would be more fun.  Watching TV would be more fun.  You've been trying to force yourself to do something else, but you keep getting distracted by finding another bomb.

Trying to tell an ADHD person to "just focus" is like telling an alcoholic to "just stop drinking", or someone suffering clinical depression to "just suck it up and be happy".  It only makes sense if you have no idea what they're going through.  ADHD involves chemical imbalances in the brain.  It's not that we  won't focus.  It's that we  can't focus.  Or, to be even more clear, that we can't  controlfocus.  We can't focus on what we want to, and sometimes our focus gets "stuck" on something we DON'T want it to.
 
2013-03-04 09:53:04 AM  

Gifted Many Few: I still think ADHD is a myth perpetuated by a few to have a new "victim class"
A bunch of people, normally middle class whites, need to find a new reason for society to pay attention to them. It's like the middle child syndrome.


Thunderpipes: Made up diseases continue to grow in number, news at 11:00.
Good smacking now and then cures that early. ADHD is a term for laziness and lack of discipline, enabled by poor parenting. South Park had that right.


I knew the "ADHD doesn't exist" derp would be strong in this thread.  Thanks for proving me right.  Please continue parading your stupidity for all of us to see.
 
2013-03-04 09:53:34 AM  

fredklein: FatherChaos:
I've never seen that Calvin and Hobbes.  That's seriously depressing.

Here's the antidote:

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Oh, both of those are fake strips, BTW.
 
2013-03-04 09:53:36 AM  

Dimensio: You have not explained how you have determined that the psychologists who have derived the condition of Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder are in error.


I think they believe there is a disorder they can medicate. It's all about the money not the science. Psychologists strive to make a "perfect" human. One that can never happen. So they make up conditions and treatments. Not cures, just treatments. Cures would mean that the money train would stop at anytime. They just want people to appear normal for a price.
 
2013-03-04 09:54:41 AM  
Over the last decade we were told by our oldest son's psychiatrist that the big change was coming when he hit puberty and that he might stablize or normal out alot.  Well at 14-15 he did change, big....he's practically non-functional now.  What little hope that we clinged to as he grew up that he might ever be able to take care of himself or live in at least a semi-assisted facility, well that hope is out the farking window.  Now the question is will he even be manageable enough to live in a full assisted living facility.  He's 15, if he gets any worse we will actually have to put a diaper on him.


October at least he gets his primary diagnosis when he turns 16.  No more ADHD with behavioral disorder, now were on to full blown schizophrenia.   Just ADHD would be a blessing.  Course at this point just about anything would be.
 
2013-03-04 09:56:08 AM  

Gifted Many Few: Happy Hours: You sound ADHD. (not really, but you see how it works now?)

I've been told I have Aspergers. Not from a doctor, but from people that hear how I talk. I am the guy that will complain about my food not being done right in a restaurant or telling the mailman to wipe his feet before walking on my porch. I don't have a social condition, I just tell people how it is.



I think in that instance, the indicating factor would be the tone and manner in which you communicate with people. There's nothing wrong with letting a waiter know that something hasn't been made as requested - it's how you speak to them and whether you understand if the method is appropriate for the situation that matters.

What appears forthright to one person can be interpreted as rudeness to another.
 
2013-03-04 09:56:41 AM  

Gifted Many Few: Dimensio: You have not explained how you have determined that the psychologists who have derived the condition of Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder are in error.

I think they believe there is a disorder they can medicate. It's all about the money not the science. Psychologists strive to make a "perfect" human. One that can never happen. So they make up conditions and treatments. Not cures, just treatments. Cures would mean that the money train would stop at anytime. They just want people to appear normal for a price.


clearly, folks with Alzheimers are faking it, too.
 
2013-03-04 09:56:46 AM  

FatherChaos: I've never seen that Calvin and Hobbes. That's seriously depressing.


Sad, but not an authentic C&H
 
2013-03-04 09:56:57 AM  

Thorak: Trying to tell an ADHD person to "just focus" is like telling an alcoholic to "just stop drinking", ...


...and yet, that IS the solution to alcoholism- to stop drinking. It is a little... cavalier... to tell some one "just" stop drinking, though- a little support can go a long way.
 
2013-03-04 09:57:36 AM  

Gifted Many Few: Dimensio: You have not explained how you have determined that the psychologists who have derived the condition of Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder are in error.

I think they believe there is a disorder they can medicate. It's all about the money not the science. Psychologists strive to make a "perfect" human. One that can never happen. So they make up conditions and treatments. Not cures, just treatments. Cures would mean that the money train would stop at anytime. They just want people to appear normal for a price.


Then you must be able to reference peer reviewed research in support of your claim, to contradict the research that backs up the defined condition of Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder. Please do so, and explain your personal credentials in the field of psychology that have enabled you to credibly assess this research.
 
2013-03-04 09:57:44 AM  

Thunderpipes: That's why none of this crap existed a few decades ago. Parents straightened their kids out before they grew up sheltered and crying on the couch while the trash piled up.


The condition's been recognized for over a century.  They've just changed the name a few times as understanding of it has improved.  It's not some recent invention because kids are lazy.

Seriously, you sound like a Scientologist;  "Psychiatrists are bad and just want to control your brains!"
 
2013-03-04 09:59:14 AM  

fredklein: Thorak: Trying to tell an ADHD person to "just focus" is like telling an alcoholic to "just stop drinking", ...

...and yet, that IS the solution to alcoholism- to stop drinking. It is a little... cavalier... to tell some one "just" stop drinking, though- a little support can go a long way.


The cavalierness was the point; the alcoholic's issue is an external drug they're taking.  Someone with ADHD, the issue is in their brain.  They can't just stop.  That's what they need the meds for.
 
2013-03-04 09:59:28 AM  

notyomama: Gifted Many Few: I still think ADHD is a myth perpetuated by a few to have a new "victim class"
A bunch of people, normally middle class whites, need to find a new reason for society to pay attention to them. It's like the middle child syndrome.

Thunderpipes: Made up diseases continue to grow in number, news at 11:00.
Good smacking now and then cures that early. ADHD is a term for laziness and lack of discipline, enabled by poor parenting. South Park had that right.

I knew the "ADHD doesn't exist" derp would be strong in this thread.  Thanks for proving me right.  Please continue parading your stupidity for all of us to see.


To provide fair consideration: few discussions of evolution have been featured on Fark lately, thus science deniers have had little outlet for presenting their uninformed beliefs as established fact.
 
2013-03-04 10:00:58 AM  
If pharmaceutical companies have anything to do with it, it sure as hell will.
 
2013-03-04 10:01:37 AM  
Really.  I had no idea that my ADHD which carried over into my adulthood, carried over into my adulthood.  Why doesn't anyone tell me these    Hey cookies and milk. I'm hungry
 
2013-03-04 10:02:42 AM  

orclover: Over the last decade we were told by our oldest son's psychiatrist that the big change was coming when he hit puberty and that he might stablize or normal out alot.  Well at 14-15 he did change, big....he's practically non-functional now.  What little hope that we clinged to as he grew up that he might ever be able to take care of himself or live in at least a semi-assisted facility, well that hope is out the farking window.  Now the question is will he even be manageable enough to live in a full assisted living facility.  He's 15, if he gets any worse we will actually have to put a diaper on him.

October at least he gets his primary diagnosis when he turns 16.  No more ADHD with behavioral disorder, now were on to full blown schizophrenia.   Just ADHD would be a blessing.  Course at this point just about anything would be.


Don't worry, Thunderpipes' professors at the Medical School of Life tell him that your son is just being lazy.  Tell him to snap out of it.  He'll be fine.
 
2013-03-04 10:03:15 AM  
A lesser known, and counterintuitive to uninformed individuals, symptom of Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder is the ability to hyperfocus upon tasks.

When I was young, I began playing a session of Secret of Mana in the morning. I managed to make significant progress in the game, yet I lost all awareness of my surroundings until late at night; I had been entirely unaware of the passage of time.

Upon a second playthrough of the game, I realised that I had no memory of the in-game events from that session. I had evidently not formed long-term memories during the session, despite progressing substantially.
 
2013-03-04 10:03:25 AM  

Gifted Many Few: Happy Hours: You sound ADHD. (not really, but you see how it works now?)

I've been told I have Aspergers. Not from a doctor, but from people that hear how I talk. I am the guy that will complain about my food not being done right in a restaurant or telling the mailman to wipe his feet before walking on my porch. I don't have a social condition, I just tell people how it is.

I feel ADHD is the same thing. Someone isn't doing well, we have to have a medical reason, so they can't be persecuted.


You're making a blanket determination of the validity of a condition based on a few comments a few non-medically trained lay people made to you in describing your behavior.

Do you understand how stupid and illogical that is?

I'll tell you how it is - you're an ignoramus and a cretin.
 
2013-03-04 10:05:19 AM  

theMightyRegeya: Fecacacophany: Thunderpipes: Made up diseases continue to grow in number, news at 11:00.

Good smacking now and then cures that early. ADHD is a term for laziness and lack of discipline, enabled by poor parenting. South Park had that right.

And if you smack your nearsighted kid hard enough he'll see the errors of his lazy-looking ways and see right.  Screw the glasses/contacts industry agenda.

You know, I really don't understand people.  Fark tends to be full of people who make fun of people who worship magical sky wizards, yet seem to fail to understand that the brain is an organ, just like any other, and things can go wrong with it, just like any other organ.

I've spent my life avoiding taking more drugs, because when I was a teenager I had to go on antiseizure medication that really  didturn me into a zombie.  Well, hell, the condition made me a zombie, too.  But I've spent much of my 38 years living in a fog.  fark anyone who thinks it's made up, imaginary, or an excuse.  It's a disorder.  You wouldn't tell a person with cancer that they just need to straighten up and grow cells the right way, would you?


Unfortunately, they would.  They believe that it isn't real if they can't see it... unless it's the magical skywizard who made the moon.  Oh, he's real and cares what we eat on some Fridays.
 
2013-03-04 10:05:30 AM  

RexTalionis: Gifted Many Few: Happy Hours: You sound ADHD. (not really, but you see how it works now?)

I've been told I have Aspergers. Not from a doctor, but from people that hear how I talk. I am the guy that will complain about my food not being done right in a restaurant or telling the mailman to wipe his feet before walking on my porch. I don't have a social condition, I just tell people how it is.

I feel ADHD is the same thing. Someone isn't doing well, we have to have a medical reason, so they can't be persecuted.

You're making a blanket determination of the validity of a condition based on a few comments a few non-medically trained lay people made to you in describing your behavior.

Do you understand how stupid and illogical that is?

I'll tell you how it is - you're an ignoramus and a cretin.


Do not be so quick to judge. I would like Gifted Many Few to apply his obvious medical expertise to diagnose the cause of a recurring pain that I have occasionally experienced in my knee. Perhaps he will inform me that the sensation is entirely psychosomatic.
 
2013-03-04 10:08:55 AM  

Dimensio: diagnose the cause of a recurring pain that I have occasionally experienced in my knee.


If you really do, go see someone. I had some pain ~8 years ago and it turned out to be something very serious. Like, almost losing my leg serious.
 
2013-03-04 10:09:41 AM  

Dimensio: Then you must be able to reference peer reviewed research in support of your claim, to contradict the research that backs up the defined condition of Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder. Please do so, and explain your personal credentials in the field of psychology that have enabled you to credibly assess this research.


I like you. Calmly standing your ground and all. What I say on here is my opinion based on what happens in my life and who I associate with. But don't pull the "only qualified professionals can speak" card. As part of my current profession, I took courses in psychology and child psychology. From what I recall, there are dozens of conflicting theories regarding any one disorder. So no one has the right to say what is right or wrong with any certainly. Same goes will all religion and science. We are merely guessing our way through he universe.
 
2013-03-04 10:12:01 AM  

Dimensio: A lesser known, and counterintuitive to uninformed individuals, symptom of Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder is the ability to hyperfocus upon tasks.

When I was young, I began playing a session of Secret of Mana in the morning. I managed to make significant progress in the game, yet I lost all awareness of my surroundings until late at night; I had been entirely unaware of the passage of time.

Upon a second playthrough of the game, I realised that I had no memory of the in-game events from that session. I had evidently not formed long-term memories during the session, despite progressing substantially.


Wait, that's a thing? That happens to me all the time. When I'm on a task, I have to specifically focus on placing things in long term memory, it's a biatch because I can't always tell what I'm going to need to know later. Huh. Maybe I should look into that.
 
2013-03-04 10:13:03 AM  

Gifted Many Few: Dimensio: Then you must be able to reference peer reviewed research in support of your claim, to contradict the research that backs up the defined condition of Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder. Please do so, and explain your personal credentials in the field of psychology that have enabled you to credibly assess this research.

I like you. Calmly standing your ground and all. What I say on here is my opinion based on what happens in my life and who I associate with. But don't pull the "only qualified professionals can speak" card. As part of my current profession, I took courses in psychology and child psychology. From what I recall, there are dozens of conflicting theories regarding any one disorder. So no one has the right to say what is right or wrong with any certainly. Same goes will all religion and science. We are merely guessing our way through he universe.


So you are saying, then, that your opinion is not actually based upon any professional research, and thus it is as credible as are the claims of Mr. Kent Hovind regarding the subject of evolution.
 
2013-03-04 10:14:17 AM  

jennies1897: Dimensio: A lesser known, and counterintuitive to uninformed individuals, symptom of Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder is the ability to hyperfocus upon tasks.

When I was young, I began playing a session of Secret of Mana in the morning. I managed to make significant progress in the game, yet I lost all awareness of my surroundings until late at night; I had been entirely unaware of the passage of time.

Upon a second playthrough of the game, I realised that I had no memory of the in-game events from that session. I had evidently not formed long-term memories during the session, despite progressing substantially.

Wait, that's a thing? That happens to me all the time. When I'm on a task, I have to specifically focus on placing things in long term memory, it's a biatch because I can't always tell what I'm going to need to know later. Huh. Maybe I should look into that.


Have you ever focused upon a task for more than twelve hours, with no awareness of the passage of time and without even thinking to eat or drink?
 
2013-03-04 10:15:25 AM  

jennies1897: Dimensio: A lesser known, and counterintuitive to uninformed individuals, symptom of Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder is the ability to hyperfocus upon tasks.

When I was young, I began playing a session of Secret of Mana in the morning. I managed to make significant progress in the game, yet I lost all awareness of my surroundings until late at night; I had been entirely unaware of the passage of time.

Upon a second playthrough of the game, I realised that I had no memory of the in-game events from that session. I had evidently not formed long-term memories during the session, despite progressing substantially.

Wait, that's a thing? That happens to me all the time. When I'm on a task, I have to specifically focus on placing things in long term memory, it's a biatch because I can't always tell what I'm going to need to know later. Huh. Maybe I should look into that.


I think a lot of people are surprised by some of the markers for ADHD (any of the types, really). I know I was. Surprised, horrified, deeply uncomfortable. :P Honestly, it's a big old spectrum. Some people have it mild (you know; normal people!) and it's not bothersome at all. Some people use it. Some people can handle it with various methods (rigid structure is a big one). And some people have too much of it. It doesn't mean you should run out and get pills, unless your life is being adversely affected. :)
 
2013-03-04 10:16:21 AM  

theMightyRegeya: Don't worry, Thunderpipes' professors at the Medical School of Life tell him that your son is just being lazy.  Tell him to snap out of it.  He'll be fine.


People like that cant seem to stay in the room with my son for more than a few minutes.  It's why we haven't heard from my wifes parents in a year.  They just couldn't take it and the whole situation didn't fit their extremely conservative world view.  If we didn't have SS for him, we would be destroyed by his condition.  We almost were when he was a toddler before we got him on it.  So rather than accept that this is the reality that we have with him, they just go into avoidance and denial.  It's just easier.  Hell wish we could do that.
 
2013-03-04 10:18:44 AM  

Dimensio: So you are saying, then, that your opinion is not actually based upon any professional research, and thus it is as credible as are the claims of Mr. Kent Hovind regarding the subject of evolution.


Yes. I have no credibility in the area of psychology  Anyone that takes my advice concerning the medicating of themselves or others is clearly an idiot.

I never claimed to have any credibility, so you can drop the smug routine. Now, if you'll excuse me, someone, somewhere out there on the Internet, has a different opinion as mine and I must make them see the errors of their ways.

/drops mic.
 
2013-03-04 10:19:32 AM  

orclover: theMightyRegeya: Don't worry, Thunderpipes' professors at the Medical School of Life tell him that your son is just being lazy.  Tell him to snap out of it.  He'll be fine.

People like that cant seem to stay in the room with my son for more than a few minutes.  It's why we haven't heard from my wifes parents in a year.  They just couldn't take it and the whole situation didn't fit their extremely conservative world view.  If we didn't have SS for him, we would be destroyed by his condition.  We almost were when he was a toddler before we got him on it.  So rather than accept that this is the reality that we have with him, they just go into avoidance and denial.  It's just easier.  Hell wish we could do that.


Jesus that's rough. I hope you guys at least have some good friends that are close by. Anything to blow off some steam!
 
2013-03-04 10:22:06 AM  

Dimensio: A lesser known, and counterintuitive to uninformed individuals, symptom of Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder is the ability to hyperfocus upon tasks.

When I was young, I began playing a session of Secret of Mana in the morning. I managed to make significant progress in the game, yet I lost all awareness of my surroundings until late at night; I had been entirely unaware of the passage of time.

Upon a second playthrough of the game, I realised that I had no memory of the in-game events from that session. I had evidently not formed long-term memories during the session, despite progressing substantially.


The whole not forming long term memories thing is such a huge problem for people with ADD and it's something that goes a long way towards explaining why ADD can be so crippling.

I sometimes forget a thought or a request from someone WHILE I'm writing it down.

I've had huge problems with people thinking I'm lying to them or going back on a promise when the truth is, the request or conversation just never made it into my long term memory, so, to my brain, it's as if it never happened.

I used to have arguments with my husband all the time where he'd ask me to do something, I'd agree, with every intention of doing whatever it was, and then not only forget to do it, but forget ever having a discussion about it in the first place.

I have to watch my favorite TV shows at least twice because otherwise I don't retain a lot of the plot details. It's really a weird thing.

/hyperfocus can be awesome sometimes if you can manage to fixate on something constructive.
 
2013-03-04 10:23:54 AM  
As an Adult diagnosed with both ADD and Bipolar, i'm getting a kick....

As the Mother of a 10 year old who is diagnosed ADHD and 'Unspecified Mood Disorder', I am not getting a kick...

Honestly I can understand how people can view those with ADHD as lazy or uncontrolled. If I didn't experiance it on a daily basis, I'd probably think my son was a "brat, undiciplined, ect" too. With the Bi Polar on top of it, if I'm not medicated it can get interesting. I find it interesting that people advocate non medication, for ADHD. Would anyone suggest that I not take meds for my Bipolar disorder? Or someone who was schizoprenic? I certianly functioned for a long time with my ADD (and bipolar) unmedicated. But I function so much better with the medication.

But to those who view ADD/ADHD as a 'cop out' fake disease, do you also believe things like bipolar, or schizoprenia are made up?
If not, why?  You can't 'see' those any more than you can ADD/ADHD.
In fact you can actually see the difference in a person with ADHD vs not in brain scans and they are finding that ADHD brains do not function like brains that do not have ADHD.

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2013-03-04 10:26:19 AM  
Adult ADHD is a real thing (although perhaps overdiagnosed) and can have seriously bad consequences. The good news is that it's controllable by medication. I should know.

But let's be clear: don't be fooled by the sudden frenzy of adult ADHD diagnoses. It's a real thing, and it can have really bad consequences. Fortunately, there are excellent meds for it, as I know from personal experience.

All that having been said, it's important to recognize that adult ADHD is not a media sensation: it's a real thing, although sometimes overdiagnosed, and it can have serious implications for your life. Thank goodness it can be controlled pharmaceutically. (Just ask my pharmacist!)

tl;dr: adult ADHD is real, bad, and controllaHEY LET'S GO RIDE BIKES
 
2013-03-04 10:30:07 AM  
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2013-03-04 10:31:34 AM  

Gifted Many Few: Dimensio: So you are saying, then, that your opinion is not actually based upon any professional research, and thus it is as credible as are the claims of Mr. Kent Hovind regarding the subject of evolution.

Yes. I have no credibility in the area of psychology  Anyone that takes my advice concerning the medicating of themselves or others is clearly an idiot.

I never claimed to have any credibility, so you can drop the smug routine. Now, if you'll excuse me, someone, somewhere out there on the Internet, has a different opinion as mine and I must make them see the errors of their ways.

/drops mic.


Thank you for admitting that your assertions lack any credibility.
 
2013-03-04 10:32:25 AM  

Brittabot: The whole not forming long term memories thing is such a huge problem for people with ADD and it's something that goes a long way towards explaining why ADD can be so crippling.


Oh hell. Yet another problem in my life that I can point to and go "shiat, I should have known!"

I'm kind of looking back on the last 10 years with a sort of existential horror right now. :\
 
2013-03-04 10:33:03 AM  

Brittabot: Dimensio: A lesser known, and counterintuitive to uninformed individuals, symptom of Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder is the ability to hyperfocus upon tasks.

When I was young, I began playing a session of Secret of Mana in the morning. I managed to make significant progress in the game, yet I lost all awareness of my surroundings until late at night; I had been entirely unaware of the passage of time.

Upon a second playthrough of the game, I realised that I had no memory of the in-game events from that session. I had evidently not formed long-term memories during the session, despite progressing substantially.

The whole not forming long term memories thing is such a huge problem for people with ADD and it's something that goes a long way towards explaining why ADD can be so crippling.

I sometimes forget a thought or a request from someone WHILE I'm writing it down.

I've had huge problems with people thinking I'm lying to them or going back on a promise when the truth is, the request or conversation just never made it into my long term memory, so, to my brain, it's as if it never happened.

I used to have arguments with my husband all the time where he'd ask me to do something, I'd agree, with every intention of doing whatever it was, and then not only forget to do it, but forget ever having a discussion about it in the first place.

I have to watch my favorite TV shows at least twice because otherwise I don't retain a lot of the plot details. It's really a weird thing.

/hyperfocus can be awesome sometimes if you can manage to fixate on something constructive.


So much this.   It can be a HUGE problem at work. My boss tells me to do something, I forget and then later she will bring it up and I will draw a complete blank.  Like don't even remember the conversation.   It tends to make people think you are not paying attention, but you WERE paying attention at the time, you just lost the memory.   I will be in the middle of a conversation sometimes and someone will ask me to repete when I just said and I can not because I can not remember what I just said.     I have learned that I need to write any requests down with enough detail that I can do the task off the instructions.  It tends to annoy people though as they can't understand why I have to write everything down.
Hyperfocus can be great when doing individualized tasks, but only if you don't really need to recal the details of the task at a later date.  Quality checking documents for example.  You can hyperfocus looking for errors on a document well, but don't expect me to remember anything about the actual content of the document, even if I just looked at it minutes ago.
 
2013-03-04 10:39:54 AM  

Aidan: Jesus that's rough. I hope you guys at least have some good friends that are close by. Anything to blow off some steam!


Not so much.  we're pretty reclusive.  Right now its pretty bad without any form of respite so we can get away or get a few hours alone together.  But the real nightmare is in 3 years when he is out of high school (which is a whole other ball of drama) and is at home 24/7.  Without a group home to send him to and he being completely unable to care for himself he will be home, allllllllll the time.  So every now and then we start talking planned divorce in a few years just to get him in a apartment with one of us just so one of us and our youngest can grow up without the stress.  If we could figure out how to transfer all the medical/financial debt to just me before the divorce this could be a very logical plan.
 
2013-03-04 10:43:30 AM  

orclover: Aidan: Jesus that's rough. I hope you guys at least have some good friends that are close by. Anything to blow off some steam!

Not so much.  we're pretty reclusive.  Right now its pretty bad without any form of respite so we can get away or get a few hours alone together.  But the real nightmare is in 3 years when he is out of high school (which is a whole other ball of drama) and is at home 24/7.  Without a group home to send him to and he being completely unable to care for himself he will be home, allllllllll the time.  So every now and then we start talking planned divorce in a few years just to get him in a apartment with one of us just so one of us and our youngest can grow up without the stress.  If we could figure out how to transfer all the medical/financial debt to just me before the divorce this could be a very logical plan.


*aghast face*

Well shiat. I don't even know what to say. I'm incredibly sorry that your lives are such hell, and I have no idea what you can do either.
 
2013-03-04 10:43:46 AM  

Brittabot: Well, yeah. And sometimes you struggle with ADD your entire goddamn life while being misdiagnosed with a host of other disorders that are all just symptoms of your long untreated ADD, then are told as an adult that you can't possibly have ADD because you were never diagnosed as a child...

I finally got my ADD diagnosis at 33, and I have to say, the symptoms are INFINITELY more impairing as an adult than they were when I was a kid.

There really needs to be more resources for adults with ADD. Kids can have it tough too but add adult responsibilities to the problems of ADD and it can get damn near unbearable trying to juggle everything when your stupid distracted forgetful brain seems to sabotage every effort to complete even the simplest task.

/still trying to find meds that work.


You said it infinitely better than I could have.  Not diagnosed until my 40's here, and I have a lot of negative thinking to unlearn and misdiagnoses to put aside.  I'm the inattentive type, with no more physical activity than any other kid, although the resultant anxiety disorders that resulting from feeling like I was always late, always forgetting something, and always inconsiderate took care of that soon enough.  It's incredible how much being ADD can warp your self-esteem, raise your anxiety level, and make you feel like you're always falling a step behind.  Despite my host of organizing and coping behaviors to keep myself on track, I always felt "lazy, crazy, and stupid," despite earning a PhD, holding a good job, and having a happy marriage.

After my diagnosis, I copied the list of childhood ADD Inattentive Type symptoms from Wikipedia and emailed them to my mom, without explanation, just to ask what she thought.  I got my validating evidence when she replied that those symptoms were verbatim the list she'd made up about me as a kid, to try to explain to others why I was neither dumb nor rebellious, but was still driving her crazy.  It was just as though my brain was never in the same room I was.

Good luck with the medication part.  Luckily, that was the easiest part for me to fix and it immediately stopped the negative voices in my head. It also made my impulsive/impatient behaviors recede dramatically, so now it's possible for me to, say, stick to a budget, or stay on the healthy diet I need.
 
2013-03-04 10:45:17 AM  
Well at least ADD adults make good wartime correspondents, race car drivers and bartenders.
{ hyper-focus, scanning and awareness, able to quickly shift attention, etc)

yeah, it's a bell curve and it's not good to be at either extreme, but the folks with
Attention Switching Deficit Disorder drive me CRAZY

Back to you cubicles!
Where you work so well!

/never had a rush hour commute
// like to sleep late in the morning
 
2013-03-04 10:47:49 AM  

Gifted Many Few: I've been told I have Aspergers. Not from a doctor, but from people that hear how I talk. I am the guy that will complain about my food not being done right in a restaurant or telling the mailman to wipe his feet before walking on my porch. I don't have a social condition, I just tell people how it is I'm just an asshole.

 
2013-03-04 10:53:26 AM  
Hell, my ADD has gotten much worse with age.  It's pretty obvious to anyone who talks to me for more than five minutes.  However I'm not currently on any medication, I can get my job done without it, but I have taken adderall for a while, and tried a couple others.   They work, I just don't like the side effects.
 
2013-03-04 10:57:40 AM  
Alright, i've explained it before and gotten people to understand...

Someone who is suffering from ADD/ADHD is not about "doing doing... KITTY!" That's a huge misconception...

This is a chemical imbalance... The brain operates normally because of a delicate balance of chemicals, throw any one of those chemicals out of whack, and bam, you have a disorder...

In the case of ADD it's about the brain chemically reacts to stimuli. A normal person when charged with a task, is able to listen, focus, and do, because chemically speaking, there isn't a problems. But with ADD, the part of the brain that stimulus response system is out of balance.

Normally, for an ADD person, there isn't enough stimulus in menial or mundane tasks for the brain to respond to... so the brain wanders, looking for more stimulating or engaging material in order so make up for that deficiency. So there's a darker side of ADD that isn't about losing focus...

The brain is deficient of that chemical, but when the brain DOES get the environmental stimulant to produce that chemical, it's like giving a heroin addict a hit... As long as that person is exposed to that stimulant, then the brain will go into overdrive in the focusing chemicals so that the response chemicals keep flowing...

This is called Hyper-Focus and a side effect of ADD... The stimulus that triggers HF can be different for each person, but one of the biggies is Video Games... video games offers visual and audio stimulus, with the option of engagement and interaction, with a lot of short term pay offs. Leveling a character, beating a board, getting a new weapon... Each small accomplishment in a video game gives that stimulus response the ADD brain craves... A person hyper-focused on a video game may play for 8 or more hours and not even realize that much time has passed. They forget to eat, forget to use the bathroom, forget chores, and other responsibilities...

Why medicine works like a "magic pill":

The reason medicines like ridalin and aderol work is because they are chemical stimulants, specifically from the amphetamine line of stimulants. Amps work on the exact part of the brain that regulates the same chemical response as environmental stimulus. So the chems work because they artificially provide a stimulus that the ADD brain lacks. The person being treated can work on a regular mundane or menial task, like listening to a teacher talk about a subject that isn't exactly stimulating without loosing focus because the pill provides the artificial stimulus the brain needs...

The drawbacks to this kind of treatment of course is addiction, and possibly desensitization to the drug

So is this a cure? No, it's a treatment... Instead of balancing the chemicals in the brain, it augments the deficiency with a boost of stimulants, creating an artificial balance dependent upon a pill rather than figuring out how to make the brain become balanced...

The equivalent would be giving person with a gunshot wound morphine to take away the pain, but not removing the bullet causing the pain to begin with...
 
2013-03-04 10:59:34 AM  
Was that headline written by George Bluth?

i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-04 11:06:45 AM  
Normally, for an ADD person, there isn't enough stimulus in menial or mundane tasks for the brain to respond to... so the brain wanders, looking for more stimulating or engaging material in order so make up for that deficiency a menial and mundane life.

FTFM
 
2013-03-04 11:06:50 AM  

simusid: I know WAY too many people that say they or someone they know has adult ADHD.  I don't buy it.  Yeah, I'd rather be doing a lot of other things than work too.  Yeah I find it hard to concentrate too.  STFU, GBTW.   The only common factor in all of your life failures is you.


The people that use it as an excuse are generally lying. It's more than just normal forgetfulness, I've gotten in the car to go somewhere and forgotten where I was going and had to drive back home. If a task does not go into my to do pile as soon as I think of it, it will be forgotten. You learn to live with it, but I thank my good fortune everyday for Mrs. Chemist, because living alongside me has got to be infuriating.
 
2013-03-04 11:08:29 AM  
Biggest bullshiat diagnosis since "bad blood" IMO.

Funny how school shootings seem to have increased around the same time "doctors" started treating so many kids for "ADD / ADHD / whatthefarkever".

Lack of personal discipline is not a medical disorder, and no drug is going to fix it.
 
2013-03-04 11:09:20 AM  

Brittabot: Well, yeah. And sometimes you struggle with ADD your entire goddamn life while being misdiagnosed with a host of other disorders that are all just symptoms of your long untreated ADD, then are told as an adult that you can't possibly have ADD because you were never diagnosed as a child...

I finally got my ADD diagnosis at 33, and I have to say, the symptoms are INFINITELY more impairing as an adult than they were when I was a kid.

There really needs to be more resources for adults with ADD. Kids can have it tough too but add adult responsibilities to the problems of ADD and it can get damn near unbearable trying to juggle everything when your stupid distracted forgetful brain seems to sabotage every effort to complete even the simplest task.

/still trying to find meds that work.



If only there was a natural, safe substance that could help... www.bongsbay.com
 
2013-03-04 11:11:19 AM  
ADHD may continue into adulthood. "Oh god, oh god, oh god, KITTY"

I ran into an adult the other day.  Naturally they were all like "Oh god, oh god, oh god".
 
2013-03-04 11:12:55 AM  

orclover: theMightyRegeya: Don't worry, Thunderpipes' professors at the Medical School of Life tell him that your son is just being lazy.  Tell him to snap out of it.  He'll be fine.

People like that cant seem to stay in the room with my son for more than a few minutes.  It's why we haven't heard from my wifes parents in a year.  They just couldn't take it and the whole situation didn't fit their extremely conservative world view.  If we didn't have SS for him, we would be destroyed by his condition.  We almost were when he was a toddler before we got him on it.  So rather than accept that this is the reality that we have with him, they just go into avoidance and denial.  It's just easier.  Hell wish we could do that.


Just so we're clear, I was using your comment to express my disgust at one of Fark's resident idiots.  I have nothing but sympathy for you.  I have two healthy, fairly well-behaved kids, and if anything one of them will have anxiety issues like me...but I see other people who have kids with serious physical health problems.  A high-school friend just had a fundraiser to have a tumor removed from his daughter's heart.  I see people with severely autistic kids, know people with children with schizophrenia, and all manner of physical and mental problems.  It's because of my good fortune that I feel terrible when I see someone with real problems...and why I get genuinely angry at people who are, in all likelihood, just trolling.  I'd assume people like Thunderpipes are just trolling, if not for the number of people who believe, In Real Life, that all mental problems can be cured with a little Get Off Your Lazy Ass and some Pray To Jesus is the only other thing.

I honestly believe that, yes, some people are misdiagnosed, but I have to think that some of the diagnoses are of people who used to just be deemed lazy or crazy.
 
2013-03-04 11:15:34 AM  

Thunderpipes: Dimensio: Thunderpipes: Made up diseases continue to grow in number, news at 11:00.

Good smacking now and then cures that early. ADHD is a term for laziness and lack of discipline, enabled by poor parenting. South Park had that right.

From which medical school did you earn your Psychology degree?

Medical School of Life.

Guy above said he can't bring himself to muster the will to take the trash out? That is a goddamn disease now? Come on. That's why none of this crap existed a few decades ago. Parents straightened their kids out before they grew up sheltered and crying on the couch while the trash piled up.


Excellent credentials, sir. I shall give any further comments, statements and hypotheses, put forth by you, the true level of attention they deserve.
 
2013-03-04 11:15:41 AM  
theMightyRegeya:

Yeah, TP is a notorious troll... And i see a lot of other names to add to the list in this thread as well...
 
2013-03-04 11:18:18 AM  

George Babbitt: Gdalescrboz: Have ha ADHD my entire life, don't take meds, never will. I dont want to be medicated my whole life, only to decide one day im done being medicated and cant come off it because i dont know how to lice wirh it. If you live with it you learn to manage it, just like any "disorder." In my case, and I'm sure many others, I've made it my strength, among other thing I multi-task extremely well(can't stay on a single task though).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feingold_diet  <---Changed my life.

/not quackery


I second that, it helped my cousin out a lot. A Gluten-Free diet is helping my ADD husband as well.  These diets are NOT a cure however, my Hubby still needs medication to get through the day.

I'm hoping to find a good cognitive-behavioral therapy program to enroll him in to help manage his ADD better soon.

ADD is more than medication therapy, it's diet, behavioral and organizational skills, and exercise.

/Hubby was diagnosed at 21
//Can't be his project manager 24/7 :)
 
2013-03-04 11:18:33 AM  

Lupine Chemist: simusid: I know WAY too many people that say they or someone they know has adult ADHD.  I don't buy it.  Yeah, I'd rather be doing a lot of other things than work too.  Yeah I find it hard to concentrate too.  STFU, GBTW.   The only common factor in all of your life failures is you.

The people that use it as an excuse are generally lying. It's more than just normal forgetfulness, I've gotten in the car to go somewhere and forgotten where I was going and had to drive back home. If a task does not go into my to do pile as soon as I think of it, it will be forgotten. You learn to live with it, but I thank my good fortune everyday for Mrs. Chemist, because living alongside me has got to be infuriating.


Establishing routines and patterns is helpful in overcoming such difficulties. My inability to focus impacts my ability to make decisions; because I cannot concentrate upon options for substantial durations, I become indecisive even when determining what to eat (this indecisiveness then causes further problems as my attempt to decide upon a food choice delays other tasks). Through establishing a pattern of a specific meal for each day of the week, I eliminate that indecision.
 
2013-03-04 11:18:49 AM  
Two16,
If only there was a natural, safe substance that could help.


Yeah, but do you really want to walk around looking like surfer dude kitty all of the time...

Look, Squirrel!
.
 
2013-03-04 11:19:36 AM  

Hagenhatesyouall: Biggest bullshiat diagnosis since "bad blood" IMO.

Funny how school shootings seem to have increased around the same time "doctors" started treating so many kids for "ADD / ADHD / whatthefarkever".

Lack of personal discipline is not a medical disorder, and no drug is going to fix it.


I am certain, then, that you will be able to state your credentials in the field of psychology and that you will be able to reference a substantial body of peer reviewed research that validates your claim. Please do so.
 
2013-03-04 11:21:30 AM  
I thought I had ADD.  It turns out I just let out my inner asshole when I tire of your crap
 
2013-03-04 11:25:29 AM  

shortymac: I second that, it helped my cousin out a lot. A Gluten-Free diet is helping my ADD husband as well. These diets are NOT a cure however, my Hubby still needs medication to get through the day.


Really? Hm!

My son's (new) psychiatrist mentioned gluten-free, but she also said reduced sugar, red dye, and ... God I forget what else. I did like her idea of giving him fish oil pills. Just gonna find small ones!

Might try out a week of gluten-free for the boy and see what it does.
 
2013-03-04 11:27:20 AM  

Felgraf: simusid: I know WAY too many people that say they or someone they know has adult ADHD.  I don't buy it.  Yeah, I'd rather be doing a lot of other things than work too.  Yeah I find it hard to concentrate too.  STFU, GBTW.   The only common factor in all of your life failures is you.

I'm such a failure, I'm a year away from getting my PhD in physics.

/STFU yourself, son.


Yes but either getting that doctorate done at 25 or finally got around to it at 80 :)

It's funny because you know what I mean.
 
2013-03-04 11:30:09 AM  

fredklein: FatherChaos:
I've never seen that Calvin and Hobbes.  That's seriously depressing.

Here's the antidote:

[i93.photobucket.com image 768x260]



i46.tinypic.com

/more salve
 
2013-03-04 11:35:07 AM  

Brittabot: Well, yeah. And sometimes you struggle with ADD your entire goddamn life while being misdiagnosed with a host of other disorders that are all just symptoms of your long untreated ADD, then are told as an adult that you can't possibly have ADD because you were never diagnosed as a child...

I finally got my ADD diagnosis at 33, and I have to say, the symptoms are INFINITELY more impairing as an adult than they were when I was a kid.

There really needs to be more resources for adults with ADD. Kids can have it tough too but add adult responsibilities to the problems of ADD and it can get damn near unbearable trying to juggle everything when your stupid distracted forgetful brain seems to sabotage every effort to complete even the simplest task.

/still trying to find meds that work.


All this is true.  I was diagnosed when I was about 33 years old.   Adderall has been a godsend for me.
 
2013-03-04 11:35:40 AM  
Without all these made up diseases, guess who would be out of a job?

Think about it.

But this is Fark, where everyone has a poor life story, is sad depressed, fat, and has AD&D.
 
2013-03-04 11:40:01 AM  

FizixJunkee: All this is true. I was diagnosed when I was about 33 years old. Adderall has been a godsend for me.


I'm glad I'm not the only one. To hear me talk about it, I sound like a shill for Adderall. :P

I feel like the Amish Laughing Guy, going "Ha! Ha! I can work!"

Let me tell you about my databases... :P
 
2013-03-04 11:44:54 AM  

Thunderpipes: Without all these made up diseases, guess who would be out of a job?

Think about it.

But this is Fark, where everyone has a poor life story, is sad depressed, fat, and has AD&D.


You have still referenced no peer reviewed scientific publications that support your initial assertion.
 
2013-03-04 11:45:53 AM  

Anthracite: Gdalescrboz: Have ha ADHD my entire life, don't take meds, never will. I dont want to be medicated my whole life, only to decide one day im done being medicated and cant come off it because i dont know how to lice wirh it. If you live with it you learn to manage it, just like any "disorder." In my case, and I'm sure many others, I've made it my strength, among other thing I multi-task extremely well(can't stay on a single task though).

Me too. I just considered it a strength that I could use to do several things at once.I am Autistic and so my processing is lowered. My ADHD speeds it up and helps me look at different things at once. It helps me make better decisions because my mind can move on to other possibilities.  I am also a master multitasker. I can't stay on one thing long without forcing myself. Maybe we dont need treatment just because the rest of the world doesn't have our skills.


Exactly. You pity me for not being able to stay on a single task? I pity you for not being able to multi-task or process large amounts of information as fast as me. It's not a disorder, it's a different way our brain works.
 
2013-03-04 11:48:00 AM  
In other news, amphetamine dependency may continue as long as we can convince the cohort to keep giving us money.
 
2013-03-04 11:52:30 AM  

Two16: Brittabot: Well, yeah. And sometimes you struggle with ADD your entire goddamn life while being misdiagnosed with a host of other disorders that are all just symptoms of your long untreated ADD, then are told as an adult that you can't possibly have ADD because you were never diagnosed as a child...

I finally got my ADD diagnosis at 33, and I have to say, the symptoms are INFINITELY more impairing as an adult than they were when I was a kid.

There really needs to be more resources for adults with ADD. Kids can have it tough too but add adult responsibilities to the problems of ADD and it can get damn near unbearable trying to juggle everything when your stupid distracted forgetful brain seems to sabotage every effort to complete even the simplest task.

/still trying to find meds that work.


If only there was a natural, safe substance that could help... [www.bongsbay.com image 162x172]


I spent ten years thinking that lie worked, it doesn't it just makes you unthink it does.
 
2013-03-04 11:57:15 AM  

Gdalescrboz: I multi-task extremely well(can't stay on a single task though).


Doesn't ADHD usually come with a tendency to <a href="http://www.additudemag.com/adhd/article/612.html">hyperfocus</ a>?  Although not necessarily on what your real priority is.  It's not, as so many people seem to think, a lack of attention.  It's a lack of ability to control the focus of your attention.
 
2013-03-04 11:59:02 AM  
I have found adderall helps, but for me it loses effectiveness over time and ruins my ability to enjoy caffeinated drinks. There's nothing like having your heart try to leap out of your chest because you had a cup of regular coffee.

/I should probably reup my prescription since my Java and C# classes are kicking my ass
//sit down, try to hack out some code, nothing works, get frustrated and try again later, rinse, repeat
 
2013-03-04 12:02:48 PM  

Cerridwen: As an Adult diagnosed with both ADD and Bipolar, i'm getting a kick....

As the Mother of a 10 year old who is diagnosed ADHD and 'Unspecified Mood Disorder', I am not getting a kick...

Honestly I can understand how people can view those with ADHD as lazy or uncontrolled. If I didn't experiance it on a daily basis, I'd probably think my son was a "brat, undiciplined, ect" too. With the Bi Polar on top of it, if I'm not medicated it can get interesting. I find it interesting that people advocate non medication, for ADHD. Would anyone suggest that I not take meds for my Bipolar disorder? Or someone who was schizoprenic? I certianly functioned for a long time with my ADD (and bipolar) unmedicated. But I function so much better with the medication.

But to those who view ADD/ADHD as a 'cop out' fake disease, do you also believe things like bipolar, or schizoprenia are made up?
If not, why?  You can't 'see' those any more than you can ADD/ADHD.
In fact you can actually see the difference in a person with ADHD vs not in brain scans and they are finding that ADHD brains do not function like brains that do not have ADHD.

">http://www.adhd.org.nz/neuro1.ht ml
">http: //www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/01/110105094117.htm
">http://article s.washingtonpost.com/2009-09-22/news/36869441_1_attentio n-deficit-hyperactivity-disorder-dopamine-nora-volkow


I think the issue is that ADD symptoms can be confused with many other disorders, crappy diets with a lack of exercise, and over-stimulation. There's no blood test for mental disorders so we can only go by symptoms and other diagnostic tests which I think to the layman makes these "less real".

IMHO, if these diets completely cured (rather than simply helped, there's a big difference) someone, they probably didn't have it in the first place or a mild case of it to begin with.

It's similar to the hippie's claim that a Gluten-Free diet curing Autism. The kid probably had a GI disorder and/or a wheat allergy that caused the kid lots of pain and/or caused some cognitive side-effects.
 
2013-03-04 12:03:41 PM  

raygundan: Gdalescrboz: I multi-task extremely well(can't stay on a single task though).

Doesn't ADHD usually come with a tendency to <a href="http://www.additudemag.com/adhd/article/612.html">hyperfocus</ a>?  Although not necessarily on what your real priority is.  It's not, as so many people seem to think, a lack of attention.  It's a lack of ability to control the focus of your attention.


I am employed as the senior computer support staff in a department at a university. My ability to hyperfocus has enabled me to dedicate multiple hours -- even days -- of work upon tasks intended to streamline system and software deployment. Through hours of effort, I have been able to save literally minutes of time.
 
2013-03-04 12:04:32 PM  

Dimensio: Thunderpipes: Without all these made up diseases, guess who would be out of a job?

Think about it.

But this is Fark, where everyone has a poor life story, is sad depressed, fat, and has AD&D.

You have still referenced no peer reviewed scientific publications that support your initial assertion.


There are scads of peer reviewed articles that challenge the validity of the ADHD diagnosis.

But if you are looking for a "scientific" or "empirical" article to support that assertion, you will not find one, because 1)psychiatric/psychological disorders are developed through consensus and 2)there are no objectives bases on which to confirm or disconfirm their presence, as with a lesion on the temporal lobe for example.

Psychiatric diagnoses may reflect potential disorders, but they are also products of social and political processes. All you have to do is refer to homosexuality, once described as a disorder. we cannot convene a focus group or march on DC to say that parksinson's is no longer a disorder because it is 1)objectively verifiable and 2)its categorization as such is not contingent on social and political whims.
 
2013-03-04 12:09:27 PM  
It has carried over into adulthood for me, but I have learned to control it for the most part without the help of medication. There are still times when I don't stop myself before doing something or saying something wrong for the situation, but the distraction aspect is almost completely under control. Both my nephews have ADHD and have been on medication since they were 6. My oldest nephew is 19 and shows no signs of being able to control himself when he is off his medication and I am wondering if it is because he never had to learn how to handle it. Granted my nephews' childhood has been far better than mine was since they had no idea what ADHD was when I was growing up and treated me as a disruptive student. My treatment translated through the teacher's to the students creating an outcast persona around me that isolated me and limited my interaction with other students to being abused verbally and physically. I was treated harshly all through school despite being highly intelligent in math, science and history (notice I didn't say language? Grammar yeah working on that) mostly scoring 100% on all tests in those subjects. I often wonder if it would have been better to trade my control now for a better childhood then.
 
2013-03-04 12:11:57 PM  
 raygun
Yes, and it is why I get bored with things very quickly. For me, I can focus very intensely for short periods of time then my brain switches its attention to something else.  So what I do is set myself up with multiple tasks and pop back and depending on what grabs my attention  I usually get my best ideas when I'm not thinking about the task I'm working on.  I'll read a word or see a picture and it will cause a chain reaction of ideas on one of my other tasks.  I'll then switch to that and work on it until something else pops up.
 
2013-03-04 12:20:26 PM  
Hi,

My name is cchinni and I have ADHD.

As an adult with ADHD I am NOT getting a kick out of these replies...although I must admit to not having read them all.

The narrative about walking by the trash can 4 times and realizing each time that it needs to be taken out is a very good description of the problem.  I just wish you would not have finished it off the way you did.  It is not that I do not want to do it, I just completely forget that I was going to do it before I even get to the trash bags.  For this reason I keep similar items together when most "normal" people would not.  My trash bags are in their box right next to the trash can...if they are not, there is a 90% chance that the trash can is overflowing.

I wish that the "....SHINY" meme would go away...we rarely do that.  Hyper-Focus and Hyper-Unfocus are much more common.  Many people that I know think it would be great to be able to carry on multiple conversations at the same time...try it some time and see if any of those people feel that you are truly paying attention to them.

I find a few things helpful:
1. Regimentation.  I get out of bed the same time every day (even weekends).  I do the same activities every morning, regardless of what the day's tasks are.  My wife laughs about my "routines" but she has seen that if I can not find my toothpaste easily I will forget to wear deodorant.  Strange but true...and a bit embarrassing.

2. Natural stimulants (i.e. caffeine!!!):  Preferably in moderate doses spaced throughout the day.  And I avoid any type of depressants (beer, alcohol).  What helps you relax (like a glass of wine after dinner) will either trigger hyper-focus or hyper-unfocus in me OR cause me to fall asleep on the couch at 8 PM.

3. Over-Stimulation.  I find that having multiple monitors on my desk helps me to focus on tasks on a single monitor.  Not sure I can explain why, it just does. And I am all in for something that works and is not Meds.

4. The Feingold Diet is what got me through school.  Very few of my teachers knew that I had ADHD.  My parents did not make it an issue, and I have not made it a crutch.  My mom just told the teachers that I was "Allergic" to artificial flavors and colors...and in the 1980's this was very very difficult.  I could eat 2 types of cereal, 3 types of candy (and no one really likes bit-o-honey!), 1 flavor of soda (Coke, (not classic at the time, just Coca-Cola)), only 1 few brands of bread, a few flavors of ice cream (none at a "parlor").  Was it worth it?  Yes.  Do I still practice it today?  Somewhat.  I know which of these are my worst triggers and avoid them.

Something that you may not know is that one of the trigger chemicals occurs naturally in apples.  I had a glass of apple cider last month and I could not concentrate on anything for more than 30 seconds...it made my drive in to work almost impossible.

So, for those of you without ADHD that actually finished reading this..please understand what we are telling you.

We are not looking for sympathy or an excuse.  We are not asking you to treat us any different that we treat you.  We don't want it listed on our records so that we fall under ADA protection.  We definately do not want any more "....Shiny" jokes.  :(

We just want you to understand what we are doing and why we can't seem to control it.

The analogy with addiction problems was very accurate.  Alcoholics CAN quit with assistance.  They are still Alcoholics though...I CAN control my ADHD with assistance, but I still have ADHD.

Sincerely,

cchinni
 
2013-03-04 12:32:31 PM  
You want to learn who really has ADHD? Give them a 30 mg adderall. If they can sit in one spot and read a book, they have it.

I am one of the ones who had ADHD continue on later in life, bringing depression with it. Adderall helps with the focus, but all I can focus on is my depression. It sucks, but I'm back in college and I have no other choice. All my grades improved dramatically with the introduction of the medication.
 
2013-03-04 12:42:04 PM  

Aidan: shortymac: I second that, it helped my cousin out a lot. A Gluten-Free diet is helping my ADD husband as well. These diets are NOT a cure however, my Hubby still needs medication to get through the day.

Really? Hm!

My son's (new) psychiatrist mentioned gluten-free, but she also said reduced sugar, red dye, and ... God I forget what else. I did like her idea of giving him fish oil pills. Just gonna find small ones!

Might try out a week of gluten-free for the boy and see what it does.


It's actually a great help, however you'll have to check labels, etc because it's going to be hard for them to remember to do it. (With a kid it's easier, obviously) I'm still trying to get my hubby to give up coca-cola but that's hard.

My hubby says it helps makes his brain feel less "busy". Here's a interesting video about it as well:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79Y5pEv1NCs

I recommend going on Amazon and preemptively buying GF replacements for their favorite sauces and foods to make it an easier transition. For my hubby it's BBQ sauce and grilled cheese. The Schar (I think I spelled it right) brand of GF free breads and pasta tastes like the real thing.
On a side note, if you haven't already find a cognitive behavioral program for your son that focuses on ADD-friendly organization and study skills. My husband only had medication therapy and while it's a great help he was still suffering from the lack of organization that comes with ADD.

/I was on a GF diet for my IBS anyway so I was used to it
//EIP for recipes, etc.
 
2013-03-04 12:46:09 PM  

Profedius: It has carried over into adulthood for me, but I have learned to control it for the most part without the help of medication. There are still times when I don't stop myself before doing something or saying something wrong for the situation, but the distraction aspect is almost completely under control. Both my nephews have ADHD and have been on medication since they were 6. My oldest nephew is 19 and shows no signs of being able to control himself when he is off his medication and I am wondering if it is because he never had to learn how to handle it. Granted my nephews' childhood has been far better than mine was since they had no idea what ADHD was when I was growing up and treated me as a disruptive student. My treatment translated through the teacher's to the students creating an outcast persona around me that isolated me and limited my interaction with other students to being abused verbally and physically. I was treated harshly all through school despite being highly intelligent in math, science and history (notice I didn't say language? Grammar yeah working on that) mostly scoring 100% on all tests in those subjects. I often wonder if it would have been better to trade my control now for a better childhood then.


That is the truth, it happened with my Husband. He had to go off his meds due to lack of insurance and his ADD was getting the better of him. It was a very frustrating time for him and I.

Meds aren't a cure-all.
 
2013-03-04 12:46:13 PM  
ADHD strikes me as one of those illnesses that do exist, but that end up being heavily over-diagnosed. I'm very skeptical of the guy describing it as not having the willpower to take out the trash. Even in these conditions, you can muster up the willpower.

I've been diagnosed with depression. Means a lot of times, I don't want to do much more than lie on my bed and vegetate. Even so, I forced myself to go to class while at school, forced myself to engage with people socially, and currently force myself to go to work (though not today, because I'm actually running a slight fever).

I'm not going to lie: doing the above doesn't make me better or happier (barring interacting socially, which does help). Often, it makes me quite miserable. But it's simply what has to be done.
 
2013-03-04 12:46:46 PM  
I'd like to say that people that deny this is an actual condition are just misinformed, but honestly, reading some of them here, it's pretty clear they're just ignorant.  Part of the reason I don't tell anyone in my personal life about my ADD diagnosis is because it's just easier to keep it to myself, and let the results speak for themselves.

I wasn't diagnosed until my late 20s, after about a decade of "dealing" with it, suffering financially due to my inability to manage money, priorities, etc.  I didn't go to college, because I just barely made it out of High school, and at the time I figured it would just lead to further debt and in the end, I'd get very little out of it.  I do not regret that decision.  I work in the IT field, entirely self-taught, but was never able to move into the more advanced areas I had wanted to go into, as it requires a good deal of study and application, something I just couldn't do.  You could give me the best textbook on a subject money could buy, I could love it, and I would read every page, but generally I'd forget what was on the first page by the time the second page came around.

Once I was diagnosed and began medication, I was able to actually read and *retain* what I was reading in one go.  In 2008, I was able to go from "support guy" to software developer in about 2 months as I was able to spend my free time reading, learning and applying knowledge almost immediately.  At this point I work at a large company analyzing databases, and creating and troubleshooting reports.  I have taught myself several programming languages, as well as several spoken languages just in the last 4 years.

I'm not precisely where I want to be yet, but at this point, where I want to be is a likelihood whereas prior to medication, I had pretty much hit my peak after high school.

When I first started my medication, I had kind of an emotional crisis as I realized that my life would have been significantly different had I had this diagnosis in my teens rather than after I had already made all the mistakes I had, but you have to move on, so I did.

My medication begins and ends, so I still feel the effects when it's worn off, or if I just don't take it on my days off, and my wife will tell you the difference is stunning.  I'll get a bowl of cereal and leave the cabinets open, forget if I turned the stove off despite always making a point to do so, forget entire conversations almost immediately, interrupt people mid conversation, and generally appear "lazy".  All of these, I am aware of but simply cannot control.  I may be able to remember to close the cabinets or have the foresight to write stuff down when given a task of some sort, but for every one of those moments, I completely drop the ball on about 15 other things.  It's just not manageable, which is why it's an illness and not a matter of being lazy.

The point being, people can talk about how you can just slap some focus into your child, and by all means, let them.  In the end, they will be regarded by their undiagnosed children as the ignorant bullies they are, and they can live with the fact that their uninformed assumptions may have seriously crippled their child's chances at a happy life.  Really, unless you've experienced it in some way, I can see how it's an unrelatable illness, but most people can think rationally and at least accept that it's a thing.  Some people feel the need to deny ADD exists, so they can then point to those diagnosed with it with a feeling of superiority about their own miserable lives.

/way too long, sorry.
 
2013-03-04 12:50:44 PM  
Immagine you are driving across the salt flats toward a distant peak.  You are in a car with loose steering and you constantly have to correct.  Now all the peaks in the distance look very similar, but if you focus real hard, you can keep aiming at the same one. This is similar to a standard attention span.

Now lets say you have ADD.  The steering is so loose that you need to make a quarter turn to adjust the bearing.  Now you also have a speed issue. If you go too slow, the car will stall. If you go too fast, the car will overheat.  There is a stack of bills on the passenger seat, and some of them are past due.  Every time you take your eyes off the horizon, you may drift off by one or two distant peaks.  Now as long as you put a serious effort into it, you can focus on that one peak, and keep your speed constant in the corner of your eye. Those are the 'good' days.  Other days, that stack of bills just becomes too much of a concern and you have to sort them out.

With ADD, you will know you need to pay a bill on the 12th.  The bill came in the mail on the 1st, but you are tired as you get home and put it on the counter.  The 4th comes by and you see the bill again.  You decide to get your checkbook and pay it now.  Cant find the checkbook?  Oh well, you still have time.  Now it is the 7th, but it is a Sunday no mail would go out anyway.  Ut oh, while you are driving to work on the 9th it dawns on you that that bill must be due soon.  Was it due on the 20th or the 21st (You just know there is a 2 in it).  Friday! Finally we are at the week end!  This pile of mail is getting big again.  I'll go through it tomorrow.  Saturday the 13th.  Oh, crap! How did I let this bill get past due again?  I'd better pay it online.  What was the password to that site again?.....
 
2013-03-04 12:51:12 PM  

shortymac: Aidan: shortymac: I second that, it helped my cousin out a lot. A Gluten-Free diet is helping my ADD husband as well. These diets are NOT a cure however, my Hubby still needs medication to get through the day.

Really? Hm!

My son's (new) psychiatrist mentioned gluten-free, but she also said reduced sugar, red dye, and ... God I forget what else. I did like her idea of giving him fish oil pills. Just gonna find small ones!

Might try out a week of gluten-free for the boy and see what it does.

It's actually a great help, however you'll have to check labels, etc because it's going to be hard for them to remember to do it. (With a kid it's easier, obviously) I'm still trying to get my hubby to give up coca-cola but that's hard.

My hubby says it helps makes his brain feel less "busy". Here's a interesting video about it as well:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79Y5pEv1NCs

I recommend going on Amazon and preemptively buying GF replacements for their favorite sauces and foods to make it an easier transition. For my hubby it's BBQ sauce and grilled cheese. The Schar (I think I spelled it right) brand of GF free breads and pasta tastes like the real thing.
On a side note, if you haven't already find a cognitive behavioral program for your son that focuses on ADD-friendly organization and study skills. My husband only had medication therapy and while it's a great help he was still suffering from the lack of organization that comes with ADD.

/I was on a GF diet for my IBS anyway so I was used to it
//EIP for recipes, etc.


I've never understood the hype for "Gluten Free"... The only thing i've seen on the subject is a lot of suggesting... Studies "suggest" people could be allergic to gluten and could cause fat problems, Studies "suggest" gluten leads to obesity, studies "suggest" a lot, and because of that i've heard a lot of anecdotal stories talking about how much better people's lives are without gluten...

But here's the thing

What you are talking about is removing the protein out of flour... So in essence, you are buying pure, pharmaceutical grade carbohydrates. No protein, no fiber, just a white powder derived and refined from a perfectly normal plant... kind of like another white powder derived from an otherwise healthy plant...

My wife and I have gone to milling our own grain, and once you get over the new texture of bread (it's a little grainier than your typical wonder bread), it's quite satisfying...
 
2013-03-04 12:54:01 PM  
As an 33 year old man who has suffered from ADHD his whole life,
 
2013-03-04 12:59:51 PM  

optional: ADHD strikes me as one of those illnesses that do exist, but that end up being heavily over-diagnosed. I'm very skeptical of the guy describing it as not having the willpower to take out the trash. Even in these conditions, you can muster up the willpower.

I've been diagnosed with depression. Means a lot of times, I don't want to do much more than lie on my bed and vegetate. Even so, I forced myself to go to class while at school, forced myself to engage with people socially, and currently force myself to go to work (though not today, because I'm actually running a slight fever).

I'm not going to lie: doing the above doesn't make me better or happier (barring interacting socially, which does help). Often, it makes me quite miserable. But it's simply what has to be done.


Using the trash analogy, yeah I can focus myself to make a point to do it, but doing so requires significantly more effort than you'd think it should, and that can easily be superseded by other tasks that arise in the meantime, and then other tasks supersede those, and so on.  I can spend a day solid starting tasks and not finish one.

People with ADHD aren't non-functional, it just requires a significant amount of effort to go through the day doing normal everyday things.  A more appropriate comparison with depression would be like me telling you "just stop being down".  In my non-medical opinion, depression has the secondary effect of making you not want to do anything.  ADHD makes it difficult to accomplish things, which can very easily lead to being unhappy.

I can more easily raise my spirits, you can more easily force yourself to accomplish stuff.  Neither of us can just will the root problem away.
 
2013-03-04 01:05:11 PM  

Felgraf: simusid: I know WAY too many people that say they or someone they know has adult ADHD.  I don't buy it.  Yeah, I'd rather be doing a lot of other things than work too.  Yeah I find it hard to concentrate too.  STFU, GBTW.   The only common factor in all of your life failures is you.

I'm such a failure, I'm a year away from getting my PhD in physics.

/STFU yourself, son.


Like Felgraf, I'm a physics PhD student with ADHD (though I wasn't diagnosed until after undergrad).  I'm also far from a failure.
 
2013-03-04 01:06:34 PM  

Dimensio: RexTalionis: Gifted Many Few: Happy Hours: You sound ADHD. (not really, but you see how it works now?)

I've been told I have Aspergers. Not from a doctor, but from people that hear how I talk. I am the guy that will complain about my food not being done right in a restaurant or telling the mailman to wipe his feet before walking on my porch. I don't have a social condition, I just tell people how it is.

I feel ADHD is the same thing. Someone isn't doing well, we have to have a medical reason, so they can't be persecuted.

You're making a blanket determination of the validity of a condition based on a few comments a few non-medically trained lay people made to you in describing your behavior.

Do you understand how stupid and illogical that is?

I'll tell you how it is - you're an ignoramus and a cretin.

Do not be so quick to judge. I would like Gifted Many Few to apply his obvious medical expertise to diagnose the cause of a recurring pain that I have occasionally experienced in my knee. Perhaps he will inform me that the sensation is entirely psychosomatic.


I used to have psychosomatic knee pain like you. Then I took an arrow in the knee.
 
2013-03-04 01:25:31 PM  

Gdalescrboz: Have ha ADHD my entire life, don't take meds, never will. I dont want to be medicated my whole life, only to decide one day im done being medicated and cant come off it because i dont know how to lice wirh it. If you live with it you learn to manage it, just like any "disorder." In my case, and I'm sure many others, I've made it my strength, among other thing I multi-task extremely well(can't stay on a single task though).


Same here only I recently started a job that forces me to sit at a desk and focus on a single task at a time (previous job of 10 years I thrived with the chaos)..I'm finding it really hard to do my new job..I'm almost 40 and starting meds this week for the first time. :/
 
2013-03-04 01:28:17 PM  
As a spouse of someone with ADHD and a parent of a child with ADHD who is also being evaluated for Aspbergers I am really sad to read some of the comments here.

ADHD has a very genetic component (something like 80% of kids with ADHD have an ADHD parent).  My wife got diagnosed soon after my kid.  She had spent 20 years of her adult life being fired from one job after another.  She's been on medication for five years and has been doing fantastic (glowing performance reviews, bonuses and raises).   It's so sad she spent most of her life trying to get along without it.  As a side note statistics say driving without your ADHD meds incurs the same increase in accident rate as drinking and driving.

Speaking your mind is not Aspbergers.  I have seen my son talk at another kid he has never met for a half hour straight nonstop about some hobby of his, even when asked to stop.  Even when the other kid is running away yelling 'stop talking to me' he will chase after him continuing to deliver his lecture.   Like many people with Aspbergers he has no friends.  Zero.
 
2013-03-04 01:31:27 PM  

Brittabot: I sometimes forget a thought or a request from someone WHILE I'm writing it down.


Favorite semi-memory of this:  My first appointment with a new shrink.  Shrink meets me at the door to her large, bric-a-brac-filled office and introduces herself as we shake hands.  We walk over to the couch and chair and sit down.  Her first question to me:  "What is my name?"

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/couldn't make it out on her diploma, and she wasn't wearing a name tag
//my usual covering/coping techniques
 
2013-03-04 01:34:59 PM  

fredklein: Gary Coleman's kidneys: Really?? seriously, if that's a good description, that describes me to a T....as with with cleaning in general...I see it, I know I have to do it but I find it almost impossible until its to a point that its embarrassing.....please tell me there's a farking pill for this...it drives me crazy and has ruined relationships in the past...I would love to not be like this.

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It's called "dontbelazyium". I've been taking it with moderate success.


seems like you're on the wrong medication, maybe you should try "dontbeajerkalil"
 
2013-03-04 01:40:12 PM  
Here's my analogy to describe ADHD:

You know those people with OCD who can't help but constantly check that all the doors are locked, or they must wash their hands like ten thousand times a day?  Like, these repeating thoughts---"Double check the door is locked" or "I think I need to wash my hands."---distract them from their life?  That's my ADHD.  Except, instead of a single thing (e.g., doors or handwashing) keeping me distracted, it's everything.   Everything grabs your attention and there's no way to ignore it.  There's no "tuning it out" (at least for me, anyway).

ADHD is not having too little attention; it's having too much attention.
 
2013-03-04 01:49:31 PM  
Snakeophelia: I'm the inattentive type, with no more physical activity than any other kid, although the resultant anxiety disorders that resulting from feeling like I was always late, always forgetting something, and always inconsiderate took care of that soon enough.  It's incredible how much being ADD can warp your self-esteem, raise your anxiety level, and make you feel like you're always falling a step behind.Despite my host of organizing and coping behaviors to keep myself on track, I always felt "lazy, crazy, and stupid," despite earning a PhD, holding a good job, and having a happy marriage.


True for me as well.  Getting diagnosed and treated (with Adderall, *gasp*!) was the best thing to ever happen to me and my self-esteem.  Oh, and I no longer have panic attacks or anxiety issues, either.
 
2013-03-04 01:50:22 PM  

CeroX: shortymac: Aidan: shortymac: I second that, it helped my cousin out a lot. A Gluten-Free diet is helping my ADD husband as well. These diets are NOT a cure however, my Hubby still needs medication to get through the day.

Really? Hm!

My son's (new) psychiatrist mentioned gluten-free, but she also said reduced sugar, red dye, and ... God I forget what else. I did like her idea of giving him fish oil pills. Just gonna find small ones!

Might try out a week of gluten-free for the boy and see what it does.

It's actually a great help, however you'll have to check labels, etc because it's going to be hard for them to remember to do it. (With a kid it's easier, obviously) I'm still trying to get my hubby to give up coca-cola but that's hard.

My hubby says it helps makes his brain feel less "busy". Here's a interesting video about it as well:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79Y5pEv1NCs

I recommend going on Amazon and preemptively buying GF replacements for their favorite sauces and foods to make it an easier transition. For my hubby it's BBQ sauce and grilled cheese. The Schar (I think I spelled it right) brand of GF free breads and pasta tastes like the real thing.
On a side note, if you haven't already find a cognitive behavioral program for your son that focuses on ADD-friendly organization and study skills. My husband only had medication therapy and while it's a great help he was still suffering from the lack of organization that comes with ADD.

/I was on a GF diet for my IBS anyway so I was used to it
//EIP for recipes, etc.

I've never understood the hype for "Gluten Free"... The only thing i've seen on the subject is a lot of suggesting... Studies "suggest" people could be allergic to gluten and could cause fat problems, Studies "suggest" gluten leads to obesity, studies "suggest" a lot, and because of that i've heard a lot of anecdotal stories talking about how much better people's lives are without gluten...

But here's the thing

What you are talking about is ...


Personally, I don't eat GF junk food that's made with deglutenized wheat or potato and tapioca starch, that doesn't have nutrients in it and it'll spike blood sugar (I'm hypoglycemic as well, my body hates me).  If I'm baking I use Almond, Coconut, Flax, and sometimes chickpea flours instead. I've been without bread so long I don't miss it anymore.

My Hubby however, has never been on a diet before in his life (Skinny biatch) and hates cooking. Adjustment has been difficult so I find keep some GF pasta and bread around the house makes it easier and I don't have to worry about feeding him if I'm working late.

As for the GF free diet, Dr. Davis' Wheat Belly raised some interesting facts about the opiate and inflammatory effects of modern wheat.

I personally think a big component to all this talk of GF diets helping people out is blood sugars effect on the brain and body. As a hypoglycemic I KNOW how blood sugar can fark with your mood but I didn't realize it until after diagnosis.

IMHO, I wonder if there's a link between GF diet helping people and the Ketogenic diet that Doctors put seizure patients who don't respond well to medication on. I wonder if it has to deal with blood sugar levels and/or reducing energy to an "overactive" brain.
 
2013-03-04 01:56:13 PM  

Treize26: optional: ADHD strikes me as one of those illnesses that do exist, but that end up being heavily over-diagnosed. I'm very skeptical of the guy describing it as not having the willpower to take out the trash. Even in these conditions, you can muster up the willpower.

I've been diagnosed with depression. Means a lot of times, I don't want to do much more than lie on my bed and vegetate. Even so, I forced myself to go to class while at school, forced myself to engage with people socially, and currently force myself to go to work (though not today, because I'm actually running a slight fever).

I'm not going to lie: doing the above doesn't make me better or happier (barring interacting socially, which does help). Often, it makes me quite miserable. But it's simply what has to be done.

Using the trash analogy, yeah I can focus myself to make a point to do it, but doing so requires significantly more effort than you'd think it should, and that can easily be superseded by other tasks that arise in the meantime, and then other tasks supersede those, and so on.  I can spend a day solid starting tasks and not finish one.

People with ADHD aren't non-functional, it just requires a significant amount of effort to go through the day doing normal everyday things.  A more appropriate comparison with depression would be like me telling you "just stop being down".  In my non-medical opinion, depression has the secondary effect of making you not want to do anything.  ADHD makes it difficult to accomplish things, which can very easily lead to being unhappy.

I can more easily raise my spirits, you can more easily force yourself to accomplish stuff.  Neither of us can just will the root problem away.


Fair enough.
 
2013-03-04 02:06:31 PM  

FizixJunkee: Snakeophelia: I'm the inattentive type, with no more physical activity than any other kid, although the resultant anxiety disorders that resulting from feeling like I was always late, always forgetting something, and always inconsiderate took care of that soon enough.  It's incredible how much being ADD can warp your self-esteem, raise your anxiety level, and make you feel like you're always falling a step behind.Despite my host of organizing and coping behaviors to keep myself on track, I always felt "lazy, crazy, and stupid," despite earning a PhD, holding a good job, and having a happy marriage.

True for me as well.  Getting diagnosed and treated (with Adderall, *gasp*!) was the best thing to ever happen to me and my self-esteem.  Oh, and I no longer have panic attacks or anxiety issues, either.


Thirded. I still have issues where I beat myself up mentally over something. Or even the one where I go "God you're so stupid you need drugs just to be normal instead of just trying harder". That's a fun one. But I've only been taking Adderall for about six months, and I'm still readjusting. There's a dual effect; the initial hit where suddenly you're not a failure all the time, then hopefully a later one where you undo all the stupid self-hate shiat you piled on yourself over the years. Still, I'm quite optimistic!
 
2013-03-04 02:15:31 PM  

FizixJunkee: Here's my analogy to describe ADHD:

You know those people with OCD who can't help but constantly check that all the doors are locked, or they must wash their hands like ten thousand times a day?  Like, these repeating thoughts---"Double check the door is locked" or "I think I need to wash my hands."---distract them from their life?  That's my ADHD.  Except, instead of a single thing (e.g., doors or handwashing) keeping me distracted, it's everything.   Everything grabs your attention and there's no way to ignore it.  There's no "tuning it out" (at least for me, anyway).

ADHD is not having too little attention; it's having too much attention.


I would amend that to say that, for me, it's not having the ability to consistently direct one's attention at will.  A good metaphor is watching a TV where someone else has the remote--it might stay on the same channel for an extended period of time, but it might not be the channel you need to be on.  Even if you can wrest the remote away and get it to the nature channel, the remote soon changes hands again, and your stuck watching monster truck rallies and pro wrestling.  Medication can allow you to get a slightly better grip on the remote and keep a hold of it longer, which is enormously helpful, though not a perfect solution.

/has ADHD
//at work, commenting on Fark when I should be working
///the struggle continues
 
2013-03-04 02:19:35 PM  

FizixJunkee: Snakeophelia: I'm the inattentive type, with no more physical activity than any other kid, although the resultant anxiety disorders that resulting from feeling like I was always late, always forgetting something, and always inconsiderate took care of that soon enough.  It's incredible how much being ADD can warp your self-esteem, raise your anxiety level, and make you feel like you're always falling a step behind.Despite my host of organizing and coping behaviors to keep myself on track, I always felt "lazy, crazy, and stupid," despite earning a PhD, holding a good job, and having a happy marriage.


True for me as well.  Getting diagnosed and treated (with Adderall, *gasp*!) was the best thing to ever happen to me and my self-esteem.  Oh, and I no longer have panic attacks or anxiety issues, either.


I was fortunate, in that I was diagnosed when I was younger (after a battery of tests). My mom was diagnosed after I was (She was reading some of the books explaining the symptoms, how they perceive the world and issues they have, and just sort of went "Waaaiiiittttt a minute...")

It turns out the *entirety* of my mom's side of the family (save for her mom) has it, sooooo yeah.
 
2013-03-04 02:20:38 PM  
how to draw a kitty
what happens in steps 9 and 10
 
2013-03-04 02:21:29 PM  

Aidan: Thirded. I still have issues where I beat myself up mentally over something. Or even the one where I go "God you're so stupid you need drugs just to be normal instead of just trying harder". That's a fun one. But I've only been taking Adderall for about six months, and I'm still readjusting. There's a dual effect; the initial hit where suddenly you're not a failure all the time, then hopefully a later one where you undo all the stupid self-hate shiat you piled on yourself over the years. Still, I'm quite optimistic!


Fourth-ed.  Being a late-40s diagnosee (thanks, son!), there are a *lot* of bad habits to unlearn.  It's not a simple transition from Clark Kent to Superman -- there are plenty of times when you are operate as "Clark Man" or "SuperKent".  But at least you know what the heck is happening, and why...
 
2013-03-04 02:31:56 PM  

Thorak: sometimes our focus gets "stuck" on something we DON'T want it to.


The 'hyperfocus'.  OMG I hate this.  HATE IT.  I'll lose hours to it - productive hours I could be working on something important - all because _____ looked interesting and I wanted to check it out.

I can't even go on Jeopardy with the crap information I've absorbed during hyperfocus. Though, granted, I do retain the information learned during a 'session' of it.
 
2013-03-04 02:40:33 PM  
I may as well add myself to the list.

My name is Casey, and I have adult ADD.

If you were to look at my educational career, you would think I would be the last person you'd suspect with ADD. I was in fifth grade before I got my first B. I graduated high school with honors, 24 college credits via AP and testing out. I graduated cum laude from college, Honors from a program that mandated a year of research. Only four people in my year did that.

Then things started to get a bit off. I started fighting depression, every winter to start with, then constantly. I made it through grad school, got into med school, knocked out the first two years, and finally started seeking help. I tried, with my psych, half the antidepressants in the book.

The side effects made the depression worse. A year of progressively worsening sexual dysfunction, culminating in normal response with complete anorgasmia. Think of how frustrating that would be for you. Two weeks of crippling, can't-leave-the-apartment diarrhea on another. Feeling like a zombie on a third. All the while, the depression had me failing courses- I simply didn't care enough to leave the house. I was suicidal more than once- I never attempted it, but plan? You bet on it.

After 3 years of this, and finally just leaving my psych as we weren't seeing eye to eye anymore, my primary doc allowed me a trial of Adderall.

It was night and day. I was ME again. I wouldn't be exaggerating to say that the Adderall saved my life. I turned the entire educational experience around- failures became high passes, exams fell like cut trees. I finished my MD last June, and there was my pill container with Adderall in my pocket.

Anyone who says someone with ADD can't function can come talk to me.

- Casey, MD, MS
 
2013-03-04 02:45:09 PM  

PhoenixInFlames: The 'hyperfocus'.  OMG I hate this.  HATE IT.  I'll lose hours to it - productive hours I could be working on something important - all because _____ looked interesting and I wanted to check it out.

I can't even go on Jeopardy with the crap information I've absorbed during hyperfocus. Though, granted, I do retain the information learned during a 'session' of it.


It is very difficult to explain to my wife why I would cut into the time I have to do the things I truly enjoy, and instead waste time studying about the history of ***insert random topic I am not actually interested in here***.  The power of the preoccupation is just impossible to explain to somebody who hasn't experienced it.
 
2013-03-04 03:20:40 PM  

Nightjars: It is very difficult to explain to my wife why I would cut into the time I have to do the things I truly enjoy, and instead waste time studying about the history of ***insert random topic I am not actually interested in here***.  The power of the preoccupation is just impossible to explain to somebody who hasn't experienced it.


And it always starts off with a quick 'hey, what's this?'  You never know when you're going to take a trip down THAT rabbit hole....
 
2013-03-04 03:27:13 PM  

PhoenixInFlames: Nightjars: It is very difficult to explain to my wife why I would cut into the time I have to do the things I truly enjoy, and instead waste time studying about the history of ***insert random topic I am not actually interested in here***.  The power of the preoccupation is just impossible to explain to somebody who hasn't experienced it.

And it always starts off with a quick 'hey, what's this?'  You never know when you're going to take a trip down THAT rabbit hole....


Farking Wikipedia. It can turn looking up a new word into a multi-hour excursion though the badly edited annals of human knowledge.

On the plus side, I know tons of useless facts and have a superficial acquaintance with a very wide array of subjects. Some people seem to be impressed by that sort of thing.
 
2013-03-04 03:32:11 PM  

Bad_Seed: PhoenixInFlames: Nightjars: It is very difficult to explain to my wife why I would cut into the time I have to do the things I truly enjoy, and instead waste time studying about the history of ***insert random topic I am not actually interested in here***.  The power of the preoccupation is just impossible to explain to somebody who hasn't experienced it.

And it always starts off with a quick 'hey, what's this?'  You never know when you're going to take a trip down THAT rabbit hole....

Farking Wikipedia. It can turn looking up a new word into a multi-hour excursion though the badly edited annals of human knowledge.

On the plus side, I know tons of useless facts and have a superficial acquaintance with a very wide array of subjects. Some people seem to be impressed by that sort of thing.


I wonder how many Jeopardy champions have ADD?
 
2013-03-04 03:32:28 PM  

shortymac: Profedius: It has carried over into adulthood for me, but I have learned to control it for the most part without the help of medication. There are still times when I don't stop myself before doing something or saying something wrong for the situation, but the distraction aspect is almost completely under control. Both my nephews have ADHD and have been on medication since they were 6. My oldest nephew is 19 and shows no signs of being able to control himself when he is off his medication and I am wondering if it is because he never had to learn how to handle it. Granted my nephews' childhood has been far better than mine was since they had no idea what ADHD was when I was growing up and treated me as a disruptive student. My treatment translated through the teacher's to the students creating an outcast persona around me that isolated me and limited my interaction with other students to being abused verbally and physically. I was treated harshly all through school despite being highly intelligent in math, science and history (notice I didn't say language? Grammar yeah working on that) mostly scoring 100% on all tests in those subjects. I often wonder if it would have been better to trade my control now for a better childhood then.

That is the truth, it happened with my Husband. He had to go off his meds due to lack of insurance and his ADD was getting the better of him. It was a very frustrating time for him and I.

Meds aren't a cure-all.




I think I have a good idea of what that must have been like from seeing my nephew act for the few months he was off his medication. For me when I tell people I have ADHD they don't believe me or ask what am I taking for it and when I tell them nothing they think I am being dishonest. If people only knew what is going on in my head 24/7 they wouldn't have any questions. Even now typing this I am thinking about at least four other things and following two different conversations taking place in the two offices next to mine as I try to focus on what I want to say here.
 
2013-03-04 03:33:18 PM  

Brittabot: I used to have arguments with my husband all the time where he'd ask me to do something, I'd agree, with every intention of doing whatever it was, and then not only forget to do it, but forget ever having a discussion about it in the first place.


THIS THIS  THIS  THIS  THIS  THIS  THIS  THIS  THIS  THIS  THIS  THIS  THIS  THIS  THIS  THIS  THIS  THIS

ADHD is hard on the marriage. Especially the part where I am hyperfocused on something and he is right there having a conversation with me and I am not hearing any of it. I'm not deliberately ignoring. He's just not in my spectrum of attention.

Wait, what?
 
2013-03-04 03:36:27 PM  

Nightjars: PhoenixInFlames: 

I can't even go on Jeopardy with the crap information I've absorbed during hyperfocus. Though, granted, I do retain the information learned during a 'session' of it.

It is very difficult to explain to my wife why I would cut into the time I have to do the things I truly enjoy, and instead waste time studying about the history of ***insert random topic I am not actually interested in here***.  The power of the preoccupation is just impossible to explain to somebody who hasn't experienced it.



You know, until this thread, I didn't know that this sort of hyperfocus (e.g., spending some incredible amount of time researching bits of trivia alluded to on Jeopardy) was unique to ADHD'ers.  I thought everyone was this way.
 
2013-03-04 03:39:25 PM  

namegoeshere: Brittabot:

ADHD is hard on the marriage.


My husband and I joke that Adderall has saved our marriage.  He absolutely loves me when I'm on my meds, and he can always tell when I've taken them and when I haven't.

\he loves me even when I don't take them
\\but he loves me even more when I do
\\\something something clean house
 
2013-03-04 03:41:40 PM  

Chabash: It's not that we'd rather do something else. For example, you're at home. You walk by the trash can, it's full and needs to be taken outside. You recognize that it is full, you have absolutely no issue with the task, and see no reason not to do it. You then proceed to walk right by it still thinking you need to take it out. 4 hours later, you have spent the last 4 hours bouncing back and forth between whatever you were doing and the thought that you should take out the trash but just can't summon the willpower to actually get up and do it. Hell, you may have walked by it three or four more times that evening. That is ADHD.


Wow, that is not ADHD. ADHD is not a "lack of willpower." What you've described is laziness.

ADHD is passing the trash can, thinking "ok I'm going to take it out as soon as I do this one other thing in the house that seems really important right now" and then walking into the house and promptly forgetting all about the trash can. Maybe getting to the other thing you were going to do before taking out the trash, or maybe you opened the fridge on your way in and noticed how messy it was getting so you thought you'd just throw a few things out...and then hours later there you are scrubbing with trash bags full of junk from the fridge and realize you haven't eaten in hours. Then you'll notice the trash tomorrow when you leave for work. That is ADHD.
 
2013-03-04 03:42:50 PM  
The brain is a very delicate piece of machinery, to make an analogy. Any error or issue with most parts of it is going to have a rather amplified effect on how the person in question behaves. That there are people who think that these issues don't exist just boggles me. Is it overdiagnosed? Maybe, but I'd say most people diagnosed have it, or a similar problem. There are probably near infinite ways something or some things in the brain could go wrong, develop wrong, etc. There are fewer ways it can be absolutely normal.
 
2013-03-04 03:45:12 PM  

FizixJunkee: Nightjars: PhoenixInFlames: 

I can't even go on Jeopardy with the crap information I've absorbed during hyperfocus. Though, granted, I do retain the information learned during a 'session' of it.

It is very difficult to explain to my wife why I would cut into the time I have to do the things I truly enjoy, and instead waste time studying about the history of ***insert random topic I am not actually interested in here***.  The power of the preoccupation is just impossible to explain to somebody who hasn't experienced it.


You know, until this thread, I didn't know that this sort of hyperfocus (e.g., spending some incredible amount of time researching bits of trivia alluded to on Jeopardy) was unique to ADHD'ers.  I thought everyone was this way.


Honestly, I think many people have this trait to a certain extent..  But, as is the case of all "mental disorders", it really has to do with how much it interferes with your day-to-day life when trying to decide if it's a symptom of a disorder, or just a weird personality quirk.
 
2013-03-04 03:48:40 PM  

Nightjars: Honestly, I think many people have this trait to a certain extent.. But, as is the case of all "mental disorders", it really has to do with how much it interferes with your day-to-day life when trying to decide if it's a symptom of a disorder, or just a weird personality quirk.


Well put. My husband has the same degree of wiki-flood problems I do (I can't think what else to call it. When you have a frickin' flood of open tabs), but he's absolutely not ADHD in any way.
 
2013-03-04 03:52:05 PM  

CeroX: Alright, i've explained it before and gotten people to understand...

Someone who is suffering from ADD/ADHD is not about "doing doing... KITTY!" That's a huge misconception...

This is a chemical imbalance... The brain operates normally because of a delicate balance of chemicals, throw any one of those chemicals out of whack, and bam, you have a disorder...

In the case of ADD it's about the brain chemically reacts to stimuli. A normal person when charged with a task, is able to listen, focus, and do, because chemically speaking, there isn't a problems. But with ADD, the part of the brain that stimulus response system is out of balance.

Normally, for an ADD person, there isn't enough stimulus in menial or mundane tasks for the brain to respond to... so the brain wanders, looking for more stimulating or engaging material in order so make up for that deficiency. So there's a darker side of ADD that isn't about losing focus...

The brain is deficient of that chemical, but when the brain DOES get the environmental stimulant to produce that chemical, it's like giving a heroin addict a hit... As long as that person is exposed to that stimulant, then the brain will go into overdrive in the focusing chemicals so that the response chemicals keep flowing...

This is called Hyper-Focus and a side effect of ADD... The stimulus that triggers HF can be different for each person, but one of the biggies is Video Games... video games offers visual and audio stimulus, with the option of engagement and interaction, with a lot of short term pay offs. Leveling a character, beating a board, getting a new weapon... Each small accomplishment in a video game gives that stimulus response the ADD brain craves... A person hyper-focused on a video game may play for 8 or more hours and not even realize that much time has passed. They forget to eat, forget to use the bathroom, forget chores, and other responsibilities...

Why medicine works like a "magic pill":

The reason medicines like ridali ...


This thread makes my life make sense. I'm not a gamer; I'm a writer. Just for fun so far although I'd love to get to the point where I am making a decent income off of it. But my "gaming" is when my brain is constantly in writing mode, which is a fancy term for daydreaming. I've pretty much constantly got several story lines going on up there in the headworld, which becomes a bit of a problem when I'm supposed to focus on other real world stuff, like traffic signals and paying bills and stuff. I can get lost in my own head for entire days. The good news is, I'm never bored. I have my own built in entertainment system. The bad news is, it gets really, really, really hard to pay attention to other less stimulating things.

/was self-medicating heavily with caffeine until the eye twitches and irregular heartbeat got a bit too bothersome
 
2013-03-04 04:03:12 PM  

optional: I'm very skeptical of the guy describing it as not having the willpower to take out the trash. Even in these conditions, you can muster up the willpower.


Yeah, that was not phrased well. It's not a lack of willpower. It's that "Oh look, the trash needs to go out" does not connect with the steps needed to take the trash out. It's not laziness, because I'll be doing three other things when I walk by the full trash and think that it needs to go out. But if I set down the three other things to attend to the trash, then by the time the trash is done, the three other things are forgotten and I have moved on. So I stick with the three other things and think that I will do the trash next but by the time I am done what I am doing (or the thing that has distracted me from the thing that I was doing) I have lost the bit about the trash until I walk past it again and think "Oh look, the trash needs to go out"...
 
2013-03-04 04:08:30 PM  

namegoeshere: This thread makes my life make sense. I'm not a gamer; I'm a writer. Just for fun so far although I'd love to get to the point where I am making a decent income off of it. But my "gaming" is when my brain is constantly in writing mode, which is a fancy term for daydreaming. I've pretty much constantly got several story lines going on up there in the headworld, which becomes a bit of a problem when I'm supposed to focus on other real world stuff, like traffic signals and paying bills and stuff. I can get lost in my own head for entire days. The good news is, I'm never bored. I have my own built in entertainment system. The bad news is, it gets really, really, really hard to pay attention to other less stimulating things.


I totally understand.  I'm neither a writer nor a gamer, but I am a physicist and I can become completely absorbed with physics.  Like, if there are zero distractions around me---in my case, noise...I'm unable to "tune out" even the smallest background noises---I can spend all day and night thinking about physics even without meds.

Letting my mind wander; it's euphoria for me.  I get buzzed from it.  It's a physics high.
 
2013-03-04 04:12:02 PM  

ObeliskToucher: Brittabot: I sometimes forget a thought or a request from someone WHILE I'm writing it down.

Favorite semi-memory of this:  My first appointment with a new shrink.  Shrink meets me at the door to her large, bric-a-brac-filled office and introduces herself as we shake hands.  We walk over to the couch and chair and sit down.  Her first question to me:  "What is my name?"

[i260.photobucket.com image 326x304]

/couldn't make it out on her diploma, and she wasn't wearing a name tag
//my usual covering/coping techniques


I LOVE THIS THREAD SO MUCH!
Yes, this is so me. I've thought about inventing a traumatic brain injury to explain why I do not remember names, even if I JUST heard them. Turns out, I don't store them at all. They just go in and right back out again.
 
2013-03-04 04:18:44 PM  

CeroX: This is a chemical imbalance... The brain operates normally because of a delicate balance of chemicals, throw any one of those chemicals out of whack or add a few in that shouldn't be there, and bam, you have a disorder...


Coughfluoridecough.
 
2013-03-04 04:31:53 PM  

Nightjars: Honestly, I think many people have this trait to a certain extent..  But, as is the case of all "mental disorders", it really has to do with how much it interferes with your day-to-day life when trying to decide if it's a symptom of a disorder, or just a weird personality quirk.


Right.  The difference basically boils down to "I'm such a silly goose, I've wasted an hour puttering around at this.  Ah well, back to work", and "fark.  I don't CARE about this shiat.  I need to get to work!  *click* WHY DID I DO THAT?  Huh, that's not interesting at all. *click* DAMMIT.  why aren't I working?  And why do I want cheeseballs all of a sudden?  *click* Oh jesus farking hell."

Of course, for ADHD sufferers, there's also the "There, taxes done.  It's WHAT time?  I missed HOW many meals?  Holy god my bladder!  AUGH."
 
2013-03-04 04:35:49 PM  

Gdalescrboz: Have ha ADHD my entire life, don't take meds, never will. I dont want to be medicated my whole life, only to decide one day im done being medicated and cant come off it because i dont know how to lice wirh it. If you live with it you learn to manage it, just like any "disorder." In my case, and I'm sure many others, I've made it my strength, among other thing I multi-task extremely well(can't stay on a single task though).


Also have ADD. The experts basically say you should find out if medicating is right for you or not. ADHD tends to have a lot of differences from person to person, and everyone reacts differently to drugs. So yeah.
 
2013-03-04 04:51:32 PM  

Sir Not Sure The Unscannable: CeroX: This is a chemical imbalance... The brain operates normally because of a delicate balance of chemicals, throw any one of those chemicals out of whack or add a few in that shouldn't be there, and bam, you have a disorder...

Coughfluoridecough.


I would think that a chemical imbalance would be suspect if you were injecting toothpaste into your brain
 
2013-03-04 05:26:20 PM  
Made up disease, man up, stop relying on drugs to fix your problems.
 
2013-03-04 05:32:22 PM  

Dimensio: Hagenhatesyouall: Biggest bullshiat diagnosis since "bad blood" IMO.

Funny how school shootings seem to have increased around the same time "doctors" started treating so many kids for "ADD / ADHD / whatthefarkever".

Lack of personal discipline is not a medical disorder, and no drug is going to fix it.

I am certain, then, that you will be able to state your credentials in the field of psychology and that you will be able to reference a substantial body of peer reviewed research that validates your claim. Please do so.


You are absolutely right.

No qualified medical "professional" would EVER sign off on anything that could be potentially harmful to a patient, nor would they ever approve any drug that could be harmful.

consumerinjuryadvocates.com

Doctors have just as many greedy unscrupulous farks as any other "profession".
 
2013-03-04 05:44:05 PM  

TimGuy: Made up disease, man up, stop relying on drugs to fix your problems.


i260.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-04 05:49:11 PM  
I was just diagnosed two weeks ago, I'm 27, and put on adderall. The funny thing is I was one of those people that believed it never existed even in my childhood. Honestly growing up in a middle class whitebread town in the late 90's,there was a horrific stigma about it then especially in such a churchy conservative town. That it was a failure on the parents to control their kids. I didn't start realizing until My sister was diagnosed last summer at 37. One evening we had a talk about growing up 10 years apart and she began talking about her diagnosis, and boy did bells ring. ADHD was something I thought I knew, but really had no idea what it was. It took over six months to commit to asking my doc about it. In just two weeks my life has changed so much for the better. I hope I won't be on meds forever, but I'm really enjoying clarity and focus right now so I'll keep taking them. In two weeks I've finished seven different projects that I started over the last 18 months, my bosses love me now... And I don't talk back or call them idiots anymore. Impulse control is entirely new to me and I'm thankful they are/were willing to put up with me.

Hardest part: Had to cut coffee consumption by nearly 90% because lots of caffeine + meds = ADHD waaay worse. Conversely, small amount of caffeine+ meds= Just Right

Also, I only skimmed a few posts from the first few pages but one thing I was told by my doc, sis, her doc, and a few others is that if you or your friend/family member is Zombie like or just not themself, then it is not the right dose or possibly not the right med. If/when your meds work you are still you only better. There should be no major personality shift when the right dose of the right med is delivered.
 
2013-03-04 06:10:40 PM  
i'm being bloody honest here, but marijuana works wonders for my innatentive ADHD.  not even Adderall touches the problem.
 
2013-03-04 06:21:32 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: i'm being bloody honest here, but marijuana works wonders for my innatentive ADHD.  not even Adderall touches the problem.


I tried that once at a friends recommendation for my insomnia, which is waay better now that I have adderall, I had the opposite effect. I was up all night twitching and I could swear I was following my nerve pathways across my bones and could control them... Not true of course. Never touched it again. 1200-1600 mg caffeine and a pack or more cigs a day was my self medication for a long time. Insomnia was present long before I started either, and was unaffected by both.

Focusing on five different things constantly shifting attention when all you want to do is stop tossing and turning, relax and go to sleep is no way to get through life.
 
2013-03-04 06:23:06 PM  

mattador: Every adult I've met with "ADD" ended up just being bi-polar.


That's called adaptation.
 
2013-03-04 06:27:07 PM  

Dimensio: Thunderpipes: Made up diseases continue to grow in number, news at 11:00.

Good smacking now and then cures that early. ADHD is a term for laziness and lack of discipline, enabled by poor parenting. South Park had that right.

From which medical school did you earn your Psychology degree?


www.amctv.com
 
2013-03-04 06:32:21 PM  

AnythingBacon: Jon iz teh kewl: i'm being bloody honest here, but marijuana works wonders for my innatentive ADHD.  not even Adderall touches the problem.

I tried that once at a friends recommendation for my insomnia, which is waay better now that I have adderall, I had the opposite effect. I was up all night twitching and I could swear I was following my nerve pathways across my bones and could control them... Not true of course. Never touched it again. 1200-1600 mg caffeine and a pack or more cigs a day was my self medication for a long time. Insomnia was present long before I started either, and was unaffected by both.

Focusing on five different things constantly shifting attention when all you want to do is stop tossing and turning, relax and go to sleep is no way to get through life.


yeah there are different strains, some are better for insomnia than others.  when legal you might want to try other strains.
 
2013-03-04 06:36:41 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: AnythingBacon: Jon iz teh kewl: i'm being bloody honest here, but marijuana works wonders for my innatentive ADHD.  not even Adderall touches the problem.

I tried that once at a friends recommendation for my insomnia, which is waay better now that I have adderall, I had the opposite effect. I was up all night twitching and I could swear I was following my nerve pathways across my bones and could control them... Not true of course. Never touched it again. 1200-1600 mg caffeine and a pack or more cigs a day was my self medication for a long time. Insomnia was present long before I started either, and was unaffected by both.

Focusing on five different things constantly shifting attention when all you want to do is stop tossing and turning, relax and go to sleep is no way to get through life.

yeah there are different strains, some are better for insomnia than others.  when legal you might want to try other strains.


I do live in Colorado :P

Friend in question has a Medicinal card... Particular strain was supposed to be for relaxation and sleep. Just not my cup o tea. Plus taste and smell make me want to vomit.

Thinks that's weird, lemme tell you about the time They tried to treat me with ambien...
 
2013-03-04 07:13:20 PM  

AnythingBacon: Jon iz teh kewl: AnythingBacon: Jon iz teh kewl: i'm being bloody honest here, but marijuana works wonders for my innatentive ADHD.  not even Adderall touches the problem.

I tried that once at a friends recommendation for my insomnia, which is waay better now that I have adderall, I had the opposite effect. I was up all night twitching and I could swear I was following my nerve pathways across my bones and could control them... Not true of course. Never touched it again. 1200-1600 mg caffeine and a pack or more cigs a day was my self medication for a long time. Insomnia was present long before I started either, and was unaffected by both.

Focusing on five different things constantly shifting attention when all you want to do is stop tossing and turning, relax and go to sleep is no way to get through life.

yeah there are different strains, some are better for insomnia than others.  when legal you might want to try other strains.

I do live in Colorado :P

Friend in question has a Medicinal card... Particular strain was supposed to be for relaxation and sleep. Just not my cup o tea. Plus taste and smell make me want to vomit.

Thinks that's weird, lemme tell you about the time They tried to treat me with ambien...


You took way too much probably.

On a side note, I doubt MJ works for ADD, at least in our particular case it just makes the hyperfocus issues more prominent.
 
2013-03-04 07:31:31 PM  

namegoeshere: optional: I'm very skeptical of the guy describing it as not having the willpower to take out the trash. Even in these conditions, you can muster up the willpower.

Yeah, that was not phrased well. It's not a lack of willpower. It's that "Oh look, the trash needs to go out" does not connect with the steps needed to take the trash out. It's not laziness, because I'll be doing three other things when I walk by the full trash and think that it needs to go out. But if I set down the three other things to attend to the trash, then by the time the trash is done, the three other things are forgotten and I have moved on. So I stick with the three other things and think that I will do the trash next but by the time I am done what I am doing (or the thing that has distracted me from the thing that I was doing) I have lost the bit about the trash until I walk past it again and think "Oh look, the trash needs to go out"...


www.explainxkcd.com
 
2013-03-04 07:31:43 PM  
Are they frakking serious? Of course it continues into adulthood. It's what happened to me. When I was a kid it was different. I was overly hyper and had a lot of energy. During college it manifested as extreme lack of motivation in the form of my brain simply not allowing me to do certain things. In the in-between years I had 'in one ear and out the other" to the extreme, didn't really sociaize, etc. I was also more organized as a teen to the point of being borderline OCD. I don't have a substance abuse problem, but I could easily fall into it. I just simply avoid alcohol and weed. I avoid all drugs except nicotine in the form of snus which I'm currently trying to kick.

Definitely don't ignore ADHD If I had it treated as a teen my life would've been much better. Would've actually had friends, been valedictorian instead of not giving a frak and doing the bare minimum. The coulda.shoulda,wouldas do no one any good. It is what it is.

The issue with the substance abuse is self-medication. Alcohol, nicotine, weed, and stimulants effect people differently with ADHD due to brain chemistry. The depression is secondary meaning it has no cause. It simply is. All of those things are offshoot symptoms of ADHD minus the hypomania. The deal with that is there is a thin line between ADHD and bipolar and mania is a symptom of bipolar. Basically the line can get thinner and thinner as time goes on.

/psychology major with ADHD
 
2013-03-04 07:35:43 PM  

ADHD Librarian: namegoeshere: optional: I'm very skeptical of the guy describing it as not having the willpower to take out the trash. Even in these conditions, you can muster up the willpower.

Yeah, that was not phrased well. It's not a lack of willpower. It's that "Oh look, the trash needs to go out" does not connect with the steps needed to take the trash out. It's not laziness, because I'll be doing three other things when I walk by the full trash and think that it needs to go out. But if I set down the three other things to attend to the trash, then by the time the trash is done, the three other things are forgotten and I have moved on. So I stick with the three other things and think that I will do the trash next but by the time I am done what I am doing (or the thing that has distracted me from the thing that I was doing) I have lost the bit about the trash until I walk past it again and think "Oh look, the trash needs to go out"...

[www.explainxkcd.com image 740x642]


Yep, that's it!
 
2013-03-04 07:45:12 PM  

Gdalescrboz: Have ha ADHD my entire life, don't take meds, never will. I dont want to be medicated my whole life, only to decide one day im done being medicated and cant come off it because i dont know how to lice wirh it. If you live with it you learn to manage it, just like any "disorder." In my case, and I'm sure many others, I've made it my strength, among other thing I multi-task extremely well(can't stay on a single task though).


I was never diagnosed as a kid (almost nobody was back then), but as soon as I heard about it, I knew it was me. I got an unofficial diagnosis in my early 20s, when my stepmother was doing a masters of special ed. She gave me some big quiz which went back to her professor who rolled his eyes and said "yep, he can come and see me if he wants to do anything about it". I didn't, so I didn't.
Many years later, I was working as a children's librarian when the library manager and deputy manager both resigned. So I ended up acting in senior management for about 18 months. At that stage I got an official diagnosis and went on meds for a while. As a children's librarian, suddenly deciding I was a lion and wandering through the shelves growling was seen as me doing my job. In management, during a meeting with the CEO and the mayor, less so.
I go on and off the meds depending on the job I have and how much study I am doing. there has never been any dependence on them and as for living without them. Well, I can actually put things in place when I am medicated (work systems, filing systems) which I can then use when I am not on them.
My real problem with having been medicated is with the self awareness. I really didn't know just how much of a dick I could be at times. The trouble is, now the awareness switch has been flipped I am aware. But when I am not on the meds, I am aware but completely unable to do anything about it. Which as you can imagine gets rather frustrating at times.
 
2013-03-04 08:01:03 PM  
I fixed the ending.

i3.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-04 08:10:07 PM  

simusid: I know WAY too many people that say they or someone they know has adult ADHD.  I don't buy it.  Yeah, I'd rather be doing a lot of other things than work too.  Yeah I find it hard to concentrate too.  STFU, GBTW.   The only common factor in all of your life failures is you.


Failure? WTF are you talking about. ADHD has oft times been my greatest strength. You just need the right job (or the right boss who will look at your results, not your process). Working in a busy public library with people coming at you from every direction. Kid just took a dump in the fiction section, old bloke has to submit a resume online but he has never seen a mouse before, woman wants the January 1923 copy of the local paper, the bank of computers near the wall need reimaging, there is a box of new books, 3 of which are books which already have reservations on them, the new art exhibition needs hanging but the picture rails haven't arrived...
I can ride that wave in a way that (so it seems) causes those poor 'normal' folk to freak the hell out and curl up in a small ball mewing pitifully.
Plus, throw me in a board meeting and I will give you 5 or 6 views on the strategic plan which no one else had considered and a possible cheap solution to a problem no one thought we could solve without spending wads of cash.
Yep, I may look like a goof-off sometimes, when things have slowed down. I may be on FARK at work or playing on my phone during the meeting. But even that is good thing as a librarian. I have a reasonable knowledge of online culture so other staff members come to me when they are stuck on a question in that area. It has also helped me develop a keen eye for the new stuff which we could use to improve our service.
Throw in the occasional day/week/month when I come in after a good handful of dexies to clear up my backlog of mundane tasks and I am a bloody good employee.
Hell, I have been headhunted for jobs because people want this attitude/mindset. I have been seconded to other departments when their managers have been going through changes because I do change management well (perhaps because everything is change when life has no routine), I have been asked to be on conference committees and (more recently) been given a directorship in a large national not for profit.
/the only failure is in your imagination


mattador: Every adult I've met with "ADD" ended up just being bi-polar.


Yeah, I had a psych tell me that once. Except I am less bi-polar and more mono-polar. Manic, slightly less manic. Without the depressive I fail to see why I would treat things as if I was bi-polar?
I can see though why some ADHD folks end up depressed. It could be bloody hard to find a job which is a good fit for this mindset (I guess I've been lucky, both in the jobs I have managed to get and also in being (ego alert) one of those high performing IQ off the charts ADHD folk. Would be a bastard of a life if I was ADHD and thick). But, if you can't get yourself together it would be easy to slide into depression and depressed +ADHD could look very bi-polar.
 
2013-03-05 12:59:59 AM  

ADHD Librarian: Gdalescrboz: Have ha ADHD my entire life, don't take meds, never will. I dont want to be medicated my whole life, only to decide one day im done being medicated and cant come off it because i dont know how to lice wirh it. If you live with it you learn to manage it, just like any "disorder." In my case, and I'm sure many others, I've made it my strength, among other thing I multi-task extremely well(can't stay on a single task though).

I was never diagnosed as a kid (almost nobody was back then), but as soon as I heard about it, I knew it was me. I got an unofficial diagnosis in my early 20s, when my stepmother was doing a masters of special ed. She gave me some big quiz which went back to her professor who rolled his eyes and said "yep, he can come and see me if he wants to do anything about it". I didn't, so I didn't.
Many years later, I was working as a children's librarian when the library manager and deputy manager both resigned. So I ended up acting in senior management for about 18 months. At that stage I got an official diagnosis and went on meds for a while. As a children's librarian, suddenly deciding I was a lion and wandering through the shelves growling was seen as me doing my job. In management, during a meeting with the CEO and the mayor, less so.
I go on and off the meds depending on the job I have and how much study I am doing. there has never been any dependence on them and as for living without them. Well, I can actually put things in place when I am medicated (work systems, filing systems) which I can then use when I am not on them.
My real problem with having been medicated is with the self awareness. I really didn't know just how much of a dick I could be at times. The trouble is, now the awareness switch has been flipped I am aware. But when I am not on the meds, I am aware but completely unable to do anything about it. Which as you can imagine gets rather frustrating at times.


It's all dependent. My job requires me to track and process large amounts of information that isn't linear, its all random stuff. I excell at this, it's easy for me, my brain can file random shiat away in an organized way. Side note, for the opposite reason i cant use daily planners. But when I get off shift and have to so paperwork, holy hell, it becomes impossible. My colleagues that don't have ADD are the opposite, they are great paper pushers, but struggle to maintain the situational awareness I have on what's going on with all the incoming info. They have to study the information to stay on top of it whereas I can read it once and not have to look at it again
 
2013-03-05 02:07:14 AM  

ADHD Librarian: namegoeshere: optional: I'm very skeptical of the guy describing it as not having the willpower to take out the trash. Even in these conditions, you can muster up the willpower.

Yeah, that was not phrased well. It's not a lack of willpower. It's that "Oh look, the trash needs to go out" does not connect with the steps needed to take the trash out. It's not laziness, because I'll be doing three other things when I walk by the full trash and think that it needs to go out. But if I set down the three other things to attend to the trash, then by the time the trash is done, the three other things are forgotten and I have moved on. So I stick with the three other things and think that I will do the trash next but by the time I am done what I am doing (or the thing that has distracted me from the thing that I was doing) I have lost the bit about the trash until I walk past it again and think "Oh look, the trash needs to go out"...


imgs.xkcd.com

Came for this, leaving satisfied.  it really does feel just like that, makes it hard to finish the simplest of tasks - or, conversely, you can get locked into finishing a non-urgent task to the extent that you can't focus on the actual important stuff until it is done.
 
2013-03-05 07:09:32 AM  

Mayhem_2006: ADHD Librarian: namegoeshere: optional: I'm very skeptical of the guy describing it as not having the willpower to take out the trash. Even in these conditions, you can muster up the willpower.

Yeah, that was not phrased well. It's not a lack of willpower. It's that "Oh look, the trash needs to go out" does not connect with the steps needed to take the trash out. It's not laziness, because I'll be doing three other things when I walk by the full trash and think that it needs to go out. But if I set down the three other things to attend to the trash, then by the time the trash is done, the three other things are forgotten and I have moved on. So I stick with the three other things and think that I will do the trash next but by the time I am done what I am doing (or the thing that has distracted me from the thing that I was doing) I have lost the bit about the trash until I walk past it again and think "Oh look, the trash needs to go out"...

[imgs.xkcd.com image 740x642]

Came for this, leaving satisfied.  it really does feel just like that, makes it hard to finish the simplest of tasks - or, conversely, you can get locked into finishing a non-urgent task to the extent that you can't focus on the actual important stuff until it is done.


no it doesn't, it's just a scheme to get high powered amphetamines from the doctor
so ANY picture encouraging this idea would be beneficial for your situation
farking speed head
 
2013-03-05 07:10:20 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: Mayhem_2006: ADHD Librarian: namegoeshere: optional: I'm very skeptical of the guy describing it as not having the willpower to take out the trash. Even in these conditions, you can muster up the willpower.

Yeah, that was not phrased well. It's not a lack of willpower. It's that "Oh look, the trash needs to go out" does not connect with the steps needed to take the trash out. It's not laziness, because I'll be doing three other things when I walk by the full trash and think that it needs to go out. But if I set down the three other things to attend to the trash, then by the time the trash is done, the three other things are forgotten and I have moved on. So I stick with the three other things and think that I will do the trash next but by the time I am done what I am doing (or the thing that has distracted me from the thing that I was doing) I have lost the bit about the trash until I walk past it again and think "Oh look, the trash needs to go out"...

[imgs.xkcd.com image 740x642]

Came for this, leaving satisfied.  it really does feel just like that, makes it hard to finish the simplest of tasks - or, conversely, you can get locked into finishing a non-urgent task to the extent that you can't focus on the actual important stuff until it is done.

no it doesn't, it's just a scheme to get high powered amphetamines from the doctor
so ANY picture encouraging this idea would be beneficial for your situation
farking speed head


that "math" balloon should read "meth"
 
2013-03-05 07:14:12 AM  

Mayhem_2006: ADHD Librarian: namegoeshere: optional: I'm very skeptical of the guy describing it as not having the willpower to take out the trash. Even in these conditions, you can muster up the willpower.

Yeah, that was not phrased well. It's not a lack of willpower. It's that "Oh look, the trash needs to go out" does not connect with the steps needed to take the trash out. It's not laziness, because I'll be doing three other things when I walk by the full trash and think that it needs to go out. But if I set down the three other things to attend to the trash, then by the time the trash is done, the three other things are forgotten and I have moved on. So I stick with the three other things and think that I will do the trash next but by the time I am done what I am doing (or the thing that has distracted me from the thing that I was doing) I have lost the bit about the trash until I walk past it again and think "Oh look, the trash needs to go out"...

[imgs.xkcd.com image 740x642]

Came for this, leaving satisfied.  it really does feel just like that, makes it hard to finish the simplest of tasks - or, conversely, you can get locked into finishing a non-urgent task to the extent that you can't focus on the actual important stuff until it is done.


Yep, when that cartoon went up I immediately checked behing my couch because I was sure that Randall Munroe was watching me from somewhere (I now realise he is not in my country, so must be using the webcam on my laptop). I showed it to my wife, who looked somewhat puzzled. I don't know how to explain my brain any better than showing people that image.
 
2013-03-05 12:02:06 PM  
it really does feel just like that,

Jon iz teh kewl: no it doesn't, it's just a scheme to get high powered amphetamines from the doctor


Hey now. Why can't it be both?

(And actually, you mean  low-powered amphetamines, although that's part of why they're popular as recreational drugs. You don't need to burn out your brain on the hard stuff to enjoy being wired.)
 
2013-03-05 12:54:24 PM  

DaintySavage: You want to learn who really has ADHD? Give them a 30 mg adderall. If they can sit in one spot and read a book, they have it.

I am one of the ones who had ADHD continue on later in life, bringing depression with it. Adderall helps with the focus, but all I can focus on is my depression. It sucks, but I'm back in college and I have no other choice. All my grades improved dramatically with the introduction of the medication.


Replace "sit in one spot and read a book" with "perform a task that they don't really enjoy."  I wasn't diagnosed until my 30s for precisely this reason-- if you're a dork of a kid who likes reading and math and science, you won't have trouble focusing in school, but something like a staff meeting may be nearly impossible for you later in life.

I could sit in one spot and read a book without issue.  The problem was that I should have been doing something else, like paying attention to the meeting.
 
2013-03-05 02:19:31 PM  
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2013-03-05 07:06:22 PM  

semiotix: it really does feel just like that,

Jon iz teh kewl: no it doesn't, it's just a scheme to get high powered amphetamines from the doctor

Hey now. Why can't it be both?

(And actually, you mean  low-powered amphetamines, although that's part of why they're popular as recreational drugs. You don't need to burn out your brain on the hard stuff to enjoy being wired.)


where would benzedrex rate?  as a high powered or lower powered?
 
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