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2013-03-04 09:48:32 AM

Gifted Many Few: Dimensio: Your hypothesis is fascinating. Please present your credentials in the field of psychology, and describe the extensive peer reviewed research that has allowed you to credible derive your conclusion.

Psychology has little to do with it. Look at the all the drug commercials. They target middle class whites. They have trouble with depression, psoriasis, allergies, constipation, gout, arthritis and getting a boner. If you believe TV, the middle whites are falling apart.


You have not explained how you have determined that the psychologists who have derived the condition of Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder are in error.
 
2013-03-04 09:50:16 AM

Thunderpipes: Dimensio: Thunderpipes: Made up diseases continue to grow in number, news at 11:00.

Good smacking now and then cures that early. ADHD is a term for laziness and lack of discipline, enabled by poor parenting. South Park had that right.

From which medical school did you earn your Psychology degree?

Medical School of Life.

Guy above said he can't bring himself to muster the will to take the trash out? That is a goddamn disease now? Come on. That's why none of this crap existed a few decades ago. Parents straightened their kids out before they grew up sheltered and crying on the couch while the trash piled up.


I am unable to locate any accredited institution named "Medical School of Life".

Please reference the substantial body of peer reviewed research that must exist to justify your assertion that the condition known as "Attention Deficit and Hyperactivity Disorder" is actually just "laziness". Explain how you have determined that numerous psychologists are in error.
 
2013-03-04 09:50:45 AM

fredklein: Aidan: I noticed with my son that he gets super-duper serious (and depressed as all hell), and then he was kind of non-responsive emotionally. So I understand the "doped up" thing, at least in part.

[www.dosenation.com image 500x675]


www.catster.com

I've never seen that Calvin and Hobbes.  That's seriously depressing.
 
2013-03-04 09:51:26 AM

Gary Coleman's kidneys: Really?? seriously, if that's a good description, that describes me to a T....as with with cleaning in general...I see it, I know I have to do it but I find it almost impossible until its to a point that its embarrassing.....please tell me there's a farking pill for this...it drives me crazy and has ruined relationships in the past...I would love to not be like this.


woldfitness.com

It's called "dontbelazyium". I've been taking it with moderate success.
 
2013-03-04 09:52:06 AM

I_Am_Weasel: Well, duh.


heh.

mattador: Every adult I've met with "ADD" ended up just being bi-polar.


Don't know about 'every', though the worst case of teenage ADHD I'd ever seen, like I honestly didn't believe it was real until I met this kid (at 15), he developed bi-polar disorder right when he was ~25.

And then he became an abusive dickweed.
 
2013-03-04 09:52:47 AM

FatherChaos:
I've never seen that Calvin and Hobbes.  That's seriously depressing.


Here's the antidote:

i93.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-04 09:53:02 AM

Brittabot: Well, yeah. And sometimes you struggle with ADD your entire goddamn life while being misdiagnosed with a host of other disorders that are all just symptoms of your long untreated ADD, then are told as an adult that you can't possibly have ADD because you were never diagnosed as a child...

I finally got my ADD diagnosis at 33, and I have to say, the symptoms are INFINITELY more impairing as an adult than they were when I was a kid.


Sounds like my experience; I was struggling with focus in my final year of my history degree, and finally sought out a psychiatrist's opinion.  Diagnosis was ADHD, at age 26.  Not sudden onset; one of the things we reviewed was my scholastic history, and looking back, every one of my report cards going back to Kindergarten had "can't sit still" or "trouble paying attention" somewhere on it.  The signs were all there, but my dad had a government job and we moved cities every few years, and no teachers made the connection.

Thankfully, caffeine works for me, but I need to regulate it; I need about 100mg every 3-4 hours.  Too much, and I just go out the far side and get hyper and twitchy.  

FLMountainMan: Not making a great argument here for hiring people with ADHD.  I don't give a shiat if you can't "summon the willpower" to not surf Fark at work.


This is like trying to describe addiction to someone who's never been addicted.  It's not about not giving a shiat.  It's about loving the work you do, and really wanting to get on that fascinating project that needs to get done by tomorrow, and here it is, 10pm, and you've been playing Minesweeper for three hours.  Minesweeper farking sucks.  You know it sucks.  Your project is much more fun.  Hell, any of a dozen other games you've got on your PC would be more fun.  Watching TV would be more fun.  You've been trying to force yourself to do something else, but you keep getting distracted by finding another bomb.

Trying to tell an ADHD person to "just focus" is like telling an alcoholic to "just stop drinking", or someone suffering clinical depression to "just suck it up and be happy".  It only makes sense if you have no idea what they're going through.  ADHD involves chemical imbalances in the brain.  It's not that we  won't focus.  It's that we  can't focus.  Or, to be even more clear, that we can't  controlfocus.  We can't focus on what we want to, and sometimes our focus gets "stuck" on something we DON'T want it to.
 
2013-03-04 09:53:04 AM

Gifted Many Few: I still think ADHD is a myth perpetuated by a few to have a new "victim class"
A bunch of people, normally middle class whites, need to find a new reason for society to pay attention to them. It's like the middle child syndrome.


Thunderpipes: Made up diseases continue to grow in number, news at 11:00.
Good smacking now and then cures that early. ADHD is a term for laziness and lack of discipline, enabled by poor parenting. South Park had that right.


I knew the "ADHD doesn't exist" derp would be strong in this thread.  Thanks for proving me right.  Please continue parading your stupidity for all of us to see.
 
2013-03-04 09:53:34 AM

fredklein: FatherChaos:
I've never seen that Calvin and Hobbes.  That's seriously depressing.

Here's the antidote:

[i93.photobucket.com image 768x260]


Oh, both of those are fake strips, BTW.
 
2013-03-04 09:53:36 AM

Dimensio: You have not explained how you have determined that the psychologists who have derived the condition of Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder are in error.


I think they believe there is a disorder they can medicate. It's all about the money not the science. Psychologists strive to make a "perfect" human. One that can never happen. So they make up conditions and treatments. Not cures, just treatments. Cures would mean that the money train would stop at anytime. They just want people to appear normal for a price.
 
2013-03-04 09:54:41 AM
Over the last decade we were told by our oldest son's psychiatrist that the big change was coming when he hit puberty and that he might stablize or normal out alot.  Well at 14-15 he did change, big....he's practically non-functional now.  What little hope that we clinged to as he grew up that he might ever be able to take care of himself or live in at least a semi-assisted facility, well that hope is out the farking window.  Now the question is will he even be manageable enough to live in a full assisted living facility.  He's 15, if he gets any worse we will actually have to put a diaper on him.


October at least he gets his primary diagnosis when he turns 16.  No more ADHD with behavioral disorder, now were on to full blown schizophrenia.   Just ADHD would be a blessing.  Course at this point just about anything would be.
 
2013-03-04 09:56:08 AM

Gifted Many Few: Happy Hours: You sound ADHD. (not really, but you see how it works now?)

I've been told I have Aspergers. Not from a doctor, but from people that hear how I talk. I am the guy that will complain about my food not being done right in a restaurant or telling the mailman to wipe his feet before walking on my porch. I don't have a social condition, I just tell people how it is.



I think in that instance, the indicating factor would be the tone and manner in which you communicate with people. There's nothing wrong with letting a waiter know that something hasn't been made as requested - it's how you speak to them and whether you understand if the method is appropriate for the situation that matters.

What appears forthright to one person can be interpreted as rudeness to another.
 
2013-03-04 09:56:41 AM

Gifted Many Few: Dimensio: You have not explained how you have determined that the psychologists who have derived the condition of Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder are in error.

I think they believe there is a disorder they can medicate. It's all about the money not the science. Psychologists strive to make a "perfect" human. One that can never happen. So they make up conditions and treatments. Not cures, just treatments. Cures would mean that the money train would stop at anytime. They just want people to appear normal for a price.


clearly, folks with Alzheimers are faking it, too.
 
2013-03-04 09:56:46 AM

FatherChaos: I've never seen that Calvin and Hobbes. That's seriously depressing.


Sad, but not an authentic C&H
 
2013-03-04 09:56:57 AM

Thorak: Trying to tell an ADHD person to "just focus" is like telling an alcoholic to "just stop drinking", ...


...and yet, that IS the solution to alcoholism- to stop drinking. It is a little... cavalier... to tell some one "just" stop drinking, though- a little support can go a long way.
 
2013-03-04 09:57:36 AM

Gifted Many Few: Dimensio: You have not explained how you have determined that the psychologists who have derived the condition of Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder are in error.

I think they believe there is a disorder they can medicate. It's all about the money not the science. Psychologists strive to make a "perfect" human. One that can never happen. So they make up conditions and treatments. Not cures, just treatments. Cures would mean that the money train would stop at anytime. They just want people to appear normal for a price.


Then you must be able to reference peer reviewed research in support of your claim, to contradict the research that backs up the defined condition of Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder. Please do so, and explain your personal credentials in the field of psychology that have enabled you to credibly assess this research.
 
2013-03-04 09:57:44 AM

Thunderpipes: That's why none of this crap existed a few decades ago. Parents straightened their kids out before they grew up sheltered and crying on the couch while the trash piled up.


The condition's been recognized for over a century.  They've just changed the name a few times as understanding of it has improved.  It's not some recent invention because kids are lazy.

Seriously, you sound like a Scientologist;  "Psychiatrists are bad and just want to control your brains!"
 
2013-03-04 09:59:14 AM

fredklein: Thorak: Trying to tell an ADHD person to "just focus" is like telling an alcoholic to "just stop drinking", ...

...and yet, that IS the solution to alcoholism- to stop drinking. It is a little... cavalier... to tell some one "just" stop drinking, though- a little support can go a long way.


The cavalierness was the point; the alcoholic's issue is an external drug they're taking.  Someone with ADHD, the issue is in their brain.  They can't just stop.  That's what they need the meds for.
 
2013-03-04 09:59:28 AM

notyomama: Gifted Many Few: I still think ADHD is a myth perpetuated by a few to have a new "victim class"
A bunch of people, normally middle class whites, need to find a new reason for society to pay attention to them. It's like the middle child syndrome.

Thunderpipes: Made up diseases continue to grow in number, news at 11:00.
Good smacking now and then cures that early. ADHD is a term for laziness and lack of discipline, enabled by poor parenting. South Park had that right.

I knew the "ADHD doesn't exist" derp would be strong in this thread.  Thanks for proving me right.  Please continue parading your stupidity for all of us to see.


To provide fair consideration: few discussions of evolution have been featured on Fark lately, thus science deniers have had little outlet for presenting their uninformed beliefs as established fact.
 
2013-03-04 10:00:58 AM
If pharmaceutical companies have anything to do with it, it sure as hell will.
 
2013-03-04 10:01:37 AM
Really.  I had no idea that my ADHD which carried over into my adulthood, carried over into my adulthood.  Why doesn't anyone tell me these    Hey cookies and milk. I'm hungry
 
2013-03-04 10:02:42 AM

orclover: Over the last decade we were told by our oldest son's psychiatrist that the big change was coming when he hit puberty and that he might stablize or normal out alot.  Well at 14-15 he did change, big....he's practically non-functional now.  What little hope that we clinged to as he grew up that he might ever be able to take care of himself or live in at least a semi-assisted facility, well that hope is out the farking window.  Now the question is will he even be manageable enough to live in a full assisted living facility.  He's 15, if he gets any worse we will actually have to put a diaper on him.

October at least he gets his primary diagnosis when he turns 16.  No more ADHD with behavioral disorder, now were on to full blown schizophrenia.   Just ADHD would be a blessing.  Course at this point just about anything would be.


Don't worry, Thunderpipes' professors at the Medical School of Life tell him that your son is just being lazy.  Tell him to snap out of it.  He'll be fine.
 
2013-03-04 10:03:15 AM
A lesser known, and counterintuitive to uninformed individuals, symptom of Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder is the ability to hyperfocus upon tasks.

When I was young, I began playing a session of Secret of Mana in the morning. I managed to make significant progress in the game, yet I lost all awareness of my surroundings until late at night; I had been entirely unaware of the passage of time.

Upon a second playthrough of the game, I realised that I had no memory of the in-game events from that session. I had evidently not formed long-term memories during the session, despite progressing substantially.
 
2013-03-04 10:03:25 AM

Gifted Many Few: Happy Hours: You sound ADHD. (not really, but you see how it works now?)

I've been told I have Aspergers. Not from a doctor, but from people that hear how I talk. I am the guy that will complain about my food not being done right in a restaurant or telling the mailman to wipe his feet before walking on my porch. I don't have a social condition, I just tell people how it is.

I feel ADHD is the same thing. Someone isn't doing well, we have to have a medical reason, so they can't be persecuted.


You're making a blanket determination of the validity of a condition based on a few comments a few non-medically trained lay people made to you in describing your behavior.

Do you understand how stupid and illogical that is?

I'll tell you how it is - you're an ignoramus and a cretin.
 
2013-03-04 10:05:19 AM

theMightyRegeya: Fecacacophany: Thunderpipes: Made up diseases continue to grow in number, news at 11:00.

Good smacking now and then cures that early. ADHD is a term for laziness and lack of discipline, enabled by poor parenting. South Park had that right.

And if you smack your nearsighted kid hard enough he'll see the errors of his lazy-looking ways and see right.  Screw the glasses/contacts industry agenda.

You know, I really don't understand people.  Fark tends to be full of people who make fun of people who worship magical sky wizards, yet seem to fail to understand that the brain is an organ, just like any other, and things can go wrong with it, just like any other organ.

I've spent my life avoiding taking more drugs, because when I was a teenager I had to go on antiseizure medication that really  didturn me into a zombie.  Well, hell, the condition made me a zombie, too.  But I've spent much of my 38 years living in a fog.  fark anyone who thinks it's made up, imaginary, or an excuse.  It's a disorder.  You wouldn't tell a person with cancer that they just need to straighten up and grow cells the right way, would you?


Unfortunately, they would.  They believe that it isn't real if they can't see it... unless it's the magical skywizard who made the moon.  Oh, he's real and cares what we eat on some Fridays.
 
2013-03-04 10:05:30 AM

RexTalionis: Gifted Many Few: Happy Hours: You sound ADHD. (not really, but you see how it works now?)

I've been told I have Aspergers. Not from a doctor, but from people that hear how I talk. I am the guy that will complain about my food not being done right in a restaurant or telling the mailman to wipe his feet before walking on my porch. I don't have a social condition, I just tell people how it is.

I feel ADHD is the same thing. Someone isn't doing well, we have to have a medical reason, so they can't be persecuted.

You're making a blanket determination of the validity of a condition based on a few comments a few non-medically trained lay people made to you in describing your behavior.

Do you understand how stupid and illogical that is?

I'll tell you how it is - you're an ignoramus and a cretin.


Do not be so quick to judge. I would like Gifted Many Few to apply his obvious medical expertise to diagnose the cause of a recurring pain that I have occasionally experienced in my knee. Perhaps he will inform me that the sensation is entirely psychosomatic.
 
2013-03-04 10:08:55 AM

Dimensio: diagnose the cause of a recurring pain that I have occasionally experienced in my knee.


If you really do, go see someone. I had some pain ~8 years ago and it turned out to be something very serious. Like, almost losing my leg serious.
 
2013-03-04 10:09:41 AM

Dimensio: Then you must be able to reference peer reviewed research in support of your claim, to contradict the research that backs up the defined condition of Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder. Please do so, and explain your personal credentials in the field of psychology that have enabled you to credibly assess this research.


I like you. Calmly standing your ground and all. What I say on here is my opinion based on what happens in my life and who I associate with. But don't pull the "only qualified professionals can speak" card. As part of my current profession, I took courses in psychology and child psychology. From what I recall, there are dozens of conflicting theories regarding any one disorder. So no one has the right to say what is right or wrong with any certainly. Same goes will all religion and science. We are merely guessing our way through he universe.
 
2013-03-04 10:12:01 AM

Dimensio: A lesser known, and counterintuitive to uninformed individuals, symptom of Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder is the ability to hyperfocus upon tasks.

When I was young, I began playing a session of Secret of Mana in the morning. I managed to make significant progress in the game, yet I lost all awareness of my surroundings until late at night; I had been entirely unaware of the passage of time.

Upon a second playthrough of the game, I realised that I had no memory of the in-game events from that session. I had evidently not formed long-term memories during the session, despite progressing substantially.


Wait, that's a thing? That happens to me all the time. When I'm on a task, I have to specifically focus on placing things in long term memory, it's a biatch because I can't always tell what I'm going to need to know later. Huh. Maybe I should look into that.
 
2013-03-04 10:13:03 AM

Gifted Many Few: Dimensio: Then you must be able to reference peer reviewed research in support of your claim, to contradict the research that backs up the defined condition of Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder. Please do so, and explain your personal credentials in the field of psychology that have enabled you to credibly assess this research.

I like you. Calmly standing your ground and all. What I say on here is my opinion based on what happens in my life and who I associate with. But don't pull the "only qualified professionals can speak" card. As part of my current profession, I took courses in psychology and child psychology. From what I recall, there are dozens of conflicting theories regarding any one disorder. So no one has the right to say what is right or wrong with any certainly. Same goes will all religion and science. We are merely guessing our way through he universe.


So you are saying, then, that your opinion is not actually based upon any professional research, and thus it is as credible as are the claims of Mr. Kent Hovind regarding the subject of evolution.
 
2013-03-04 10:14:17 AM

jennies1897: Dimensio: A lesser known, and counterintuitive to uninformed individuals, symptom of Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder is the ability to hyperfocus upon tasks.

When I was young, I began playing a session of Secret of Mana in the morning. I managed to make significant progress in the game, yet I lost all awareness of my surroundings until late at night; I had been entirely unaware of the passage of time.

Upon a second playthrough of the game, I realised that I had no memory of the in-game events from that session. I had evidently not formed long-term memories during the session, despite progressing substantially.

Wait, that's a thing? That happens to me all the time. When I'm on a task, I have to specifically focus on placing things in long term memory, it's a biatch because I can't always tell what I'm going to need to know later. Huh. Maybe I should look into that.


Have you ever focused upon a task for more than twelve hours, with no awareness of the passage of time and without even thinking to eat or drink?
 
2013-03-04 10:15:25 AM

jennies1897: Dimensio: A lesser known, and counterintuitive to uninformed individuals, symptom of Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder is the ability to hyperfocus upon tasks.

When I was young, I began playing a session of Secret of Mana in the morning. I managed to make significant progress in the game, yet I lost all awareness of my surroundings until late at night; I had been entirely unaware of the passage of time.

Upon a second playthrough of the game, I realised that I had no memory of the in-game events from that session. I had evidently not formed long-term memories during the session, despite progressing substantially.

Wait, that's a thing? That happens to me all the time. When I'm on a task, I have to specifically focus on placing things in long term memory, it's a biatch because I can't always tell what I'm going to need to know later. Huh. Maybe I should look into that.


I think a lot of people are surprised by some of the markers for ADHD (any of the types, really). I know I was. Surprised, horrified, deeply uncomfortable. :P Honestly, it's a big old spectrum. Some people have it mild (you know; normal people!) and it's not bothersome at all. Some people use it. Some people can handle it with various methods (rigid structure is a big one). And some people have too much of it. It doesn't mean you should run out and get pills, unless your life is being adversely affected. :)
 
2013-03-04 10:16:21 AM

theMightyRegeya: Don't worry, Thunderpipes' professors at the Medical School of Life tell him that your son is just being lazy.  Tell him to snap out of it.  He'll be fine.


People like that cant seem to stay in the room with my son for more than a few minutes.  It's why we haven't heard from my wifes parents in a year.  They just couldn't take it and the whole situation didn't fit their extremely conservative world view.  If we didn't have SS for him, we would be destroyed by his condition.  We almost were when he was a toddler before we got him on it.  So rather than accept that this is the reality that we have with him, they just go into avoidance and denial.  It's just easier.  Hell wish we could do that.
 
2013-03-04 10:18:44 AM

Dimensio: So you are saying, then, that your opinion is not actually based upon any professional research, and thus it is as credible as are the claims of Mr. Kent Hovind regarding the subject of evolution.


Yes. I have no credibility in the area of psychology  Anyone that takes my advice concerning the medicating of themselves or others is clearly an idiot.

I never claimed to have any credibility, so you can drop the smug routine. Now, if you'll excuse me, someone, somewhere out there on the Internet, has a different opinion as mine and I must make them see the errors of their ways.

/drops mic.
 
2013-03-04 10:19:32 AM

orclover: theMightyRegeya: Don't worry, Thunderpipes' professors at the Medical School of Life tell him that your son is just being lazy.  Tell him to snap out of it.  He'll be fine.

People like that cant seem to stay in the room with my son for more than a few minutes.  It's why we haven't heard from my wifes parents in a year.  They just couldn't take it and the whole situation didn't fit their extremely conservative world view.  If we didn't have SS for him, we would be destroyed by his condition.  We almost were when he was a toddler before we got him on it.  So rather than accept that this is the reality that we have with him, they just go into avoidance and denial.  It's just easier.  Hell wish we could do that.


Jesus that's rough. I hope you guys at least have some good friends that are close by. Anything to blow off some steam!
 
2013-03-04 10:22:06 AM

Dimensio: A lesser known, and counterintuitive to uninformed individuals, symptom of Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder is the ability to hyperfocus upon tasks.

When I was young, I began playing a session of Secret of Mana in the morning. I managed to make significant progress in the game, yet I lost all awareness of my surroundings until late at night; I had been entirely unaware of the passage of time.

Upon a second playthrough of the game, I realised that I had no memory of the in-game events from that session. I had evidently not formed long-term memories during the session, despite progressing substantially.


The whole not forming long term memories thing is such a huge problem for people with ADD and it's something that goes a long way towards explaining why ADD can be so crippling.

I sometimes forget a thought or a request from someone WHILE I'm writing it down.

I've had huge problems with people thinking I'm lying to them or going back on a promise when the truth is, the request or conversation just never made it into my long term memory, so, to my brain, it's as if it never happened.

I used to have arguments with my husband all the time where he'd ask me to do something, I'd agree, with every intention of doing whatever it was, and then not only forget to do it, but forget ever having a discussion about it in the first place.

I have to watch my favorite TV shows at least twice because otherwise I don't retain a lot of the plot details. It's really a weird thing.

/hyperfocus can be awesome sometimes if you can manage to fixate on something constructive.
 
2013-03-04 10:23:54 AM
As an Adult diagnosed with both ADD and Bipolar, i'm getting a kick....

As the Mother of a 10 year old who is diagnosed ADHD and 'Unspecified Mood Disorder', I am not getting a kick...

Honestly I can understand how people can view those with ADHD as lazy or uncontrolled. If I didn't experiance it on a daily basis, I'd probably think my son was a "brat, undiciplined, ect" too. With the Bi Polar on top of it, if I'm not medicated it can get interesting. I find it interesting that people advocate non medication, for ADHD. Would anyone suggest that I not take meds for my Bipolar disorder? Or someone who was schizoprenic? I certianly functioned for a long time with my ADD (and bipolar) unmedicated. But I function so much better with the medication.

But to those who view ADD/ADHD as a 'cop out' fake disease, do you also believe things like bipolar, or schizoprenia are made up?
If not, why?  You can't 'see' those any more than you can ADD/ADHD.
In fact you can actually see the difference in a person with ADHD vs not in brain scans and they are finding that ADHD brains do not function like brains that do not have ADHD.

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2013-03-04 10:26:19 AM
Adult ADHD is a real thing (although perhaps overdiagnosed) and can have seriously bad consequences. The good news is that it's controllable by medication. I should know.

But let's be clear: don't be fooled by the sudden frenzy of adult ADHD diagnoses. It's a real thing, and it can have really bad consequences. Fortunately, there are excellent meds for it, as I know from personal experience.

All that having been said, it's important to recognize that adult ADHD is not a media sensation: it's a real thing, although sometimes overdiagnosed, and it can have serious implications for your life. Thank goodness it can be controlled pharmaceutically. (Just ask my pharmacist!)

tl;dr: adult ADHD is real, bad, and controllaHEY LET'S GO RIDE BIKES
 
2013-03-04 10:30:07 AM
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2013-03-04 10:31:34 AM

Gifted Many Few: Dimensio: So you are saying, then, that your opinion is not actually based upon any professional research, and thus it is as credible as are the claims of Mr. Kent Hovind regarding the subject of evolution.

Yes. I have no credibility in the area of psychology  Anyone that takes my advice concerning the medicating of themselves or others is clearly an idiot.

I never claimed to have any credibility, so you can drop the smug routine. Now, if you'll excuse me, someone, somewhere out there on the Internet, has a different opinion as mine and I must make them see the errors of their ways.

/drops mic.


Thank you for admitting that your assertions lack any credibility.
 
2013-03-04 10:32:25 AM

Brittabot: The whole not forming long term memories thing is such a huge problem for people with ADD and it's something that goes a long way towards explaining why ADD can be so crippling.


Oh hell. Yet another problem in my life that I can point to and go "shiat, I should have known!"

I'm kind of looking back on the last 10 years with a sort of existential horror right now. :\
 
2013-03-04 10:33:03 AM

Brittabot: Dimensio: A lesser known, and counterintuitive to uninformed individuals, symptom of Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder is the ability to hyperfocus upon tasks.

When I was young, I began playing a session of Secret of Mana in the morning. I managed to make significant progress in the game, yet I lost all awareness of my surroundings until late at night; I had been entirely unaware of the passage of time.

Upon a second playthrough of the game, I realised that I had no memory of the in-game events from that session. I had evidently not formed long-term memories during the session, despite progressing substantially.

The whole not forming long term memories thing is such a huge problem for people with ADD and it's something that goes a long way towards explaining why ADD can be so crippling.

I sometimes forget a thought or a request from someone WHILE I'm writing it down.

I've had huge problems with people thinking I'm lying to them or going back on a promise when the truth is, the request or conversation just never made it into my long term memory, so, to my brain, it's as if it never happened.

I used to have arguments with my husband all the time where he'd ask me to do something, I'd agree, with every intention of doing whatever it was, and then not only forget to do it, but forget ever having a discussion about it in the first place.

I have to watch my favorite TV shows at least twice because otherwise I don't retain a lot of the plot details. It's really a weird thing.

/hyperfocus can be awesome sometimes if you can manage to fixate on something constructive.


So much this.   It can be a HUGE problem at work. My boss tells me to do something, I forget and then later she will bring it up and I will draw a complete blank.  Like don't even remember the conversation.   It tends to make people think you are not paying attention, but you WERE paying attention at the time, you just lost the memory.   I will be in the middle of a conversation sometimes and someone will ask me to repete when I just said and I can not because I can not remember what I just said.     I have learned that I need to write any requests down with enough detail that I can do the task off the instructions.  It tends to annoy people though as they can't understand why I have to write everything down.
Hyperfocus can be great when doing individualized tasks, but only if you don't really need to recal the details of the task at a later date.  Quality checking documents for example.  You can hyperfocus looking for errors on a document well, but don't expect me to remember anything about the actual content of the document, even if I just looked at it minutes ago.
 
2013-03-04 10:39:54 AM

Aidan: Jesus that's rough. I hope you guys at least have some good friends that are close by. Anything to blow off some steam!


Not so much.  we're pretty reclusive.  Right now its pretty bad without any form of respite so we can get away or get a few hours alone together.  But the real nightmare is in 3 years when he is out of high school (which is a whole other ball of drama) and is at home 24/7.  Without a group home to send him to and he being completely unable to care for himself he will be home, allllllllll the time.  So every now and then we start talking planned divorce in a few years just to get him in a apartment with one of us just so one of us and our youngest can grow up without the stress.  If we could figure out how to transfer all the medical/financial debt to just me before the divorce this could be a very logical plan.
 
2013-03-04 10:43:30 AM

orclover: Aidan: Jesus that's rough. I hope you guys at least have some good friends that are close by. Anything to blow off some steam!

Not so much.  we're pretty reclusive.  Right now its pretty bad without any form of respite so we can get away or get a few hours alone together.  But the real nightmare is in 3 years when he is out of high school (which is a whole other ball of drama) and is at home 24/7.  Without a group home to send him to and he being completely unable to care for himself he will be home, allllllllll the time.  So every now and then we start talking planned divorce in a few years just to get him in a apartment with one of us just so one of us and our youngest can grow up without the stress.  If we could figure out how to transfer all the medical/financial debt to just me before the divorce this could be a very logical plan.


*aghast face*

Well shiat. I don't even know what to say. I'm incredibly sorry that your lives are such hell, and I have no idea what you can do either.
 
2013-03-04 10:43:46 AM

Brittabot: Well, yeah. And sometimes you struggle with ADD your entire goddamn life while being misdiagnosed with a host of other disorders that are all just symptoms of your long untreated ADD, then are told as an adult that you can't possibly have ADD because you were never diagnosed as a child...

I finally got my ADD diagnosis at 33, and I have to say, the symptoms are INFINITELY more impairing as an adult than they were when I was a kid.

There really needs to be more resources for adults with ADD. Kids can have it tough too but add adult responsibilities to the problems of ADD and it can get damn near unbearable trying to juggle everything when your stupid distracted forgetful brain seems to sabotage every effort to complete even the simplest task.

/still trying to find meds that work.


You said it infinitely better than I could have.  Not diagnosed until my 40's here, and I have a lot of negative thinking to unlearn and misdiagnoses to put aside.  I'm the inattentive type, with no more physical activity than any other kid, although the resultant anxiety disorders that resulting from feeling like I was always late, always forgetting something, and always inconsiderate took care of that soon enough.  It's incredible how much being ADD can warp your self-esteem, raise your anxiety level, and make you feel like you're always falling a step behind.  Despite my host of organizing and coping behaviors to keep myself on track, I always felt "lazy, crazy, and stupid," despite earning a PhD, holding a good job, and having a happy marriage.

After my diagnosis, I copied the list of childhood ADD Inattentive Type symptoms from Wikipedia and emailed them to my mom, without explanation, just to ask what she thought.  I got my validating evidence when she replied that those symptoms were verbatim the list she'd made up about me as a kid, to try to explain to others why I was neither dumb nor rebellious, but was still driving her crazy.  It was just as though my brain was never in the same room I was.

Good luck with the medication part.  Luckily, that was the easiest part for me to fix and it immediately stopped the negative voices in my head. It also made my impulsive/impatient behaviors recede dramatically, so now it's possible for me to, say, stick to a budget, or stay on the healthy diet I need.
 
2013-03-04 10:45:17 AM
Well at least ADD adults make good wartime correspondents, race car drivers and bartenders.
{ hyper-focus, scanning and awareness, able to quickly shift attention, etc)

yeah, it's a bell curve and it's not good to be at either extreme, but the folks with
Attention Switching Deficit Disorder drive me CRAZY

Back to you cubicles!
Where you work so well!

/never had a rush hour commute
// like to sleep late in the morning
 
2013-03-04 10:47:49 AM

Gifted Many Few: I've been told I have Aspergers. Not from a doctor, but from people that hear how I talk. I am the guy that will complain about my food not being done right in a restaurant or telling the mailman to wipe his feet before walking on my porch. I don't have a social condition, I just tell people how it is I'm just an asshole.

 
2013-03-04 10:53:26 AM
Hell, my ADD has gotten much worse with age.  It's pretty obvious to anyone who talks to me for more than five minutes.  However I'm not currently on any medication, I can get my job done without it, but I have taken adderall for a while, and tried a couple others.   They work, I just don't like the side effects.
 
2013-03-04 10:57:40 AM
Alright, i've explained it before and gotten people to understand...

Someone who is suffering from ADD/ADHD is not about "doing doing... KITTY!" That's a huge misconception...

This is a chemical imbalance... The brain operates normally because of a delicate balance of chemicals, throw any one of those chemicals out of whack, and bam, you have a disorder...

In the case of ADD it's about the brain chemically reacts to stimuli. A normal person when charged with a task, is able to listen, focus, and do, because chemically speaking, there isn't a problems. But with ADD, the part of the brain that stimulus response system is out of balance.

Normally, for an ADD person, there isn't enough stimulus in menial or mundane tasks for the brain to respond to... so the brain wanders, looking for more stimulating or engaging material in order so make up for that deficiency. So there's a darker side of ADD that isn't about losing focus...

The brain is deficient of that chemical, but when the brain DOES get the environmental stimulant to produce that chemical, it's like giving a heroin addict a hit... As long as that person is exposed to that stimulant, then the brain will go into overdrive in the focusing chemicals so that the response chemicals keep flowing...

This is called Hyper-Focus and a side effect of ADD... The stimulus that triggers HF can be different for each person, but one of the biggies is Video Games... video games offers visual and audio stimulus, with the option of engagement and interaction, with a lot of short term pay offs. Leveling a character, beating a board, getting a new weapon... Each small accomplishment in a video game gives that stimulus response the ADD brain craves... A person hyper-focused on a video game may play for 8 or more hours and not even realize that much time has passed. They forget to eat, forget to use the bathroom, forget chores, and other responsibilities...

Why medicine works like a "magic pill":

The reason medicines like ridalin and aderol work is because they are chemical stimulants, specifically from the amphetamine line of stimulants. Amps work on the exact part of the brain that regulates the same chemical response as environmental stimulus. So the chems work because they artificially provide a stimulus that the ADD brain lacks. The person being treated can work on a regular mundane or menial task, like listening to a teacher talk about a subject that isn't exactly stimulating without loosing focus because the pill provides the artificial stimulus the brain needs...

The drawbacks to this kind of treatment of course is addiction, and possibly desensitization to the drug

So is this a cure? No, it's a treatment... Instead of balancing the chemicals in the brain, it augments the deficiency with a boost of stimulants, creating an artificial balance dependent upon a pill rather than figuring out how to make the brain become balanced...

The equivalent would be giving person with a gunshot wound morphine to take away the pain, but not removing the bullet causing the pain to begin with...
 
2013-03-04 10:59:34 AM
Was that headline written by George Bluth?

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