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2013-03-04 03:45:15 AM
Is it very difficult to "drill out" a hand grenade?
 
2013-03-04 05:15:51 AM

BarkingUnicorn: Is it very difficult to "drill out" a hand grenade?


Most dummy souvenirs were probably never live to begin with.  They probably just re-painted an inert training grenade to Olive Drab.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-03-04 08:44:54 AM

BarkingUnicorn: Is it very difficult to "drill out" a hand grenade?


Probably not, I've never shook hands with anyone who failed doing that.
 
2013-03-04 08:50:26 AM
FTFA: He also said the couple who packed the souvenir hand grenade in their baggage might face a fine from the TSA.
The TSA expressly prohibits hand grenades in both carry-on and checked luggage, but while the agency's website has information about traveling "realistic replicas of firearms," there is nothing specific about replica or inert explosive devices like the souvenir hand grenade involved in Sunday's incident.


So the passengers will face legal consequences even though the regulations don't prohibit the item they were carrying. Nice.
 
2013-03-04 08:51:57 AM
Grenades have a chamber for for the explosive.machined/cast into them. You just have to drill a bit through the bottom to make unusable. These dummies are common enough that the TSA should know about them. The one hour shut down is probably part of their basic intimidation campaign.
 
2013-03-04 08:58:01 AM
Speaking of airport security.

You know how they confiscate your crap saying it could be a bomb or some crap and toss it into a bin right by them.   I really wish one of these days it really was a bomb and it blew the fark up so those stupid asses actually take things seriously instead of the fake sense of security and inconvenience.
 
2013-03-04 09:06:40 AM

THX 1138: FTFA: He also said the couple who packed the souvenir hand grenade in their baggage might face a fine from the TSA.
The TSA expressly prohibits hand grenades in both carry-on and checked luggage, but while the agency's website has information about traveling "realistic replicas of firearms," there is nothing specific about replica or inert explosive devices like the souvenir hand grenade involved in Sunday's incident.

So the passengers will face legal consequences even though the regulations don't prohibit the item they were carrying. Nice.


Well no, " no grenades" seems pretty clear and as a side effect it prohibits even the fake ones.  It's like a "No Smoking" sign; nobody questions what type of smoking is forbidden because "no smoking" is inclusive.

0/10
 
2013-03-04 09:12:31 AM

Turbo Cojones: THX 1138: FTFA: He also said the couple who packed the souvenir hand grenade in their baggage might face a fine from the TSA.
The TSA expressly prohibits hand grenades in both carry-on and checked luggage, but while the agency's website has information about traveling "realistic replicas of firearms," there is nothing specific about replica or inert explosive devices like the souvenir hand grenade involved in Sunday's incident.

So the passengers will face legal consequences even though the regulations don't prohibit the item they were carrying. Nice.

Well no, " no grenades" seems pretty clear and as a side effect it prohibits even the fake ones.  It's like a "No Smoking" sign; nobody questions what type of smoking is forbidden because "no smoking" is inclusive.

0/10


But a "No Smoking" sign wouldn't ban candy cigarettes, which is basically what we are talking about here, something that *LOOKS* like the real thing, but in no way *FUNCTIONS* like the real thing.

Your analogy fails.
 
2013-03-04 09:42:27 AM

FullMetalPanda: Speaking of airport security.

You know how they confiscate your crap saying it could be a bomb or some crap and toss it into a bin right by them.   I really wish one of these days it really was a bomb and it blew the fark up so those stupid asses actually take things seriously instead of the fake sense of security and inconvenience.


Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen.
-Michael Jordan
 
2013-03-04 10:49:17 AM

dittybopper: Turbo Cojones: THX 1138: FTFA: He also said the couple who packed the souvenir hand grenade in their baggage might face a fine from the TSA.
The TSA expressly prohibits hand grenades in both carry-on and checked luggage, but while the agency's website has information about traveling "realistic replicas of firearms," there is nothing specific about replica or inert explosive devices like the souvenir hand grenade involved in Sunday's incident.

So the passengers will face legal consequences even though the regulations don't prohibit the item they were carrying. Nice.

Well no, " no grenades" seems pretty clear and as a side effect it prohibits even the fake ones.  It's like a "No Smoking" sign; nobody questions what type of smoking is forbidden because "no smoking" is inclusive.

0/10

But a "No Smoking" sign wouldn't ban candy cigarettes, which is basically what we are talking about here, something that *LOOKS* like the real thing, but in no way *FUNCTIONS* like the real thing.

Your analogy fails.


Get out of my head dude. Seriously. My thoughts verbatim.
 
2013-03-04 11:11:03 AM

THX 1138: FTFA: He also said the couple who packed the souvenir hand grenade in their baggage might face a fine from the TSA.
The TSA expressly prohibits hand grenades in both carry-on and checked luggage, but while the agency's website has information about traveling "realistic replicas of firearms," there is nothing specific about replica or inert explosive devices like the souvenir hand grenade involved in Sunday's incident.

So the passengers will face legal consequences even though the regulations don't prohibit the item they were carrying. Nice.


You scared us, so here's a fine you ruly bastards

/money grab is what it is
 
2013-03-04 11:22:39 AM

FullMetalPanda: Speaking of airport security.

You know how they confiscate your crap saying it could be a bomb or some crap and toss it into a bin right by them.   I really wish one of these days it really was a bomb and it blew the fark up so those stupid asses actually take things seriously instead of the fake sense of security and inconvenience.


the real kick in the arse is seeing their auction listings on eBay. they straight out tell you the large lot of knives or barely used multi-purpose tools etcetera were confiscated. nice they can take things which are actually stolen from people and sell them for money = pure profit. reminds me of police in my youth, taking whatever they wanted from kids and bullying them. some groups of people go out of their way to earn hatred and disrespect.
 
2013-03-04 11:26:44 AM
It seems some people have a problem with this.  Well, they can take it up with the Complaint Department.

wingspilotshop.net
 
2013-03-04 12:16:19 PM

Ambitwistor: It seems some people have a problem with this.  Well, they can take it up with the Complaint Department.

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Careful.  Something like that will get you raided by the ATF.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Ballew_raid

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege#Prelude
 
2013-03-04 12:36:18 PM
THX 1138: "the regulations don't prohibit the item they were carrying"

Last I checked, the rules were written the other way around. The TSA has an *allowed* items list.
They characterize the sorts of things that are *not* on the allowed list, as a series of examples. But those examples are explicitly not an inclusive 'banned' list.
And the allowed list itself is laughably incomplete, leaving you relying on the good graces of the gate-rapists to not hassle you.

All this meaning the TSA can single out pretty much anyone they want for inevitably having an item that isn't on the allowed list and making it virtually impossible for a passenger to *know* ahead of time whether any item or items they may want to bring on a plane are actually allowed.
 
2013-03-04 12:38:47 PM

dittybopper: Turbo Cojones: THX 1138: FTFA: He also said the couple who packed the souvenir hand grenade in their baggage might face a fine from the TSA.
The TSA expressly prohibits hand grenades in both carry-on and checked luggage, but while the agency's website has information about traveling "realistic replicas of firearms," there is nothing specific about replica or inert explosive devices like the souvenir hand grenade involved in Sunday's incident.

So the passengers will face legal consequences even though the regulations don't prohibit the item they were carrying. Nice.

Well no, " no grenades" seems pretty clear and as a side effect it prohibits even the fake ones.  It's like a "No Smoking" sign; nobody questions what type of smoking is forbidden because "no smoking" is inclusive.

0/10

But a "No Smoking" sign wouldn't ban candy cigarettes, which is basically what we are talking about here, something that *LOOKS* like the real thing, but in no way *FUNCTIONS* like the real thing.

Your analogy fails.


Not unless you have figured out a way to actually smoke a candy cigarette.  Remember: "No Smoking" does not apply to the possession of smokeables, it only applies to smoking them.  You can fondle your pipe, touch your cigar, chew your cigarette, caress your bong, even eat your candy cigarettes or fan them out like a deck of cards.   Just do not smoke...anything...because the item itself is not prohibited, only one particular use for it.

On the other hand "no grenades" covers any possible thing that you might ever intend to do with any kind of grenade.  It would only be redundant to list each action and each kind of grenade because "No" means no.
 
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