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2013-03-04 01:44:57 AM
I would hate to see it, but a really great property for FB to purchase (if it could) would be Fark.
 
2013-03-04 04:06:55 AM

Hanky: I would hate to see it, but a really great property for FB to purchase (if it could) would be Fark.


Yes. Let's kill that, too.
 
2013-03-04 05:59:56 AM
Didn't FB buy instagram? So how can it be facing competition from it? Also how is Instagram 'agile'? And snapchat. You take pictures with the former and make them Sepia, and with the latter apparently it's just a way to send nudey pics and not worry about them being held to ransom. They seem to be applications with one purpose.

I still maintain that G+ is better than FB, but since everyone stayed on FB I had to as well. I never stayed on G+ to let the novelty wear off. I went back recently and it was all changed, I have no idea what it is now. It scares me. I'm officially old and scared of change. That's why I vote conservative.
 
2013-03-04 06:44:33 AM
Facebook 14
58 Lo and ZUCKERBERG said unto the users, you shall have twice as many ads in your wall feed, and the investers did rejoice.59 But the users rebelled, "who is this that would give unto us so many ads?!" and the users did find other social networks. 60 But the ZUCK was furious, and smote them for their arrogance.
 
2013-03-04 07:21:20 AM
So basically, the new hit social networking features are the ones that are a dumbing-down and regression from Facebook.
 
2013-03-04 07:38:17 AM
the Daily Mail:  your tech news headquarters
 
2013-03-04 07:39:10 AM
"Facing competition from younger, more agile and 'cooler' apps such as Snapchat and Instagram, Facebook fears its long-term business could be harmed."

What "business"? Facebook is not, and never has been a "business" - it's an IPO scam that has paid off handsomely for the insiders and will leave the suckers high and dry.
 
2013-03-04 07:43:11 AM
Ya see, the kids like sending pictures of their vaginas around, and it's too dangerous on FB.
 
2013-03-04 07:45:26 AM
Facebook to soon go the way of Myspace?

I'm OK with this.
 
2013-03-04 07:48:35 AM
The "Facebook-is-about-to-die" worshipers have become nearly as mainstream as the cult of "email is about to die."
 
2013-03-04 07:49:35 AM
This is a repeat in some form from every week since people without a .edu email address were able to create an account.
 
2013-03-04 07:50:22 AM
I don't think Facebook will ever go away entirely, there are too many people using it on a daily basis.  There are a lot of people out there that just don't get sick of seeing pictures of everyone elses children.

Facebook the company will start to have problems though, as it reaches maturity and becomes more bureaucratic.
 
2013-03-04 07:51:05 AM

Hanky: I would hate to see it, but a really great property for FB to purchase (if it could) would be Fark.


The one great thing would be a sudden lack of trolls, as FB would likely require a FB account for login (which are publicly linked).
 
2013-03-04 07:51:26 AM
read a book for fark sake.
 
2013-03-04 07:54:28 AM

Hanky: I would hate to see it, but a really great property for FB to purchase (if it could) would be Fark.


It's probably not a good idea to combine a social network with an anti-social network.
 
2013-03-04 07:54:37 AM

digistil: Hanky: I would hate to see it, but a really great property for FB to purchase (if it could) would be Fark.

The one great thing would be a sudden lack of trolls, as FB would likely require a FB account for login (which are publicly linked).


You overestimate the amount of shame people have (and underestimate how easy it is to create fake Facebook accounts.  If you don't believe me, I'll have my friends Shre Dder and Dino Saucer reach out to you...)
 
2013-03-04 07:55:24 AM
Teenagers were using Facebook? I thought it was only used by near-retirement members of my family.
 
2013-03-04 08:02:42 AM
It's a simple, oft-repeated cycle:

Teens find something, deem it cool, then use it a lot.

Parents find thing teens are using, think "If teens use it, it must be cool, so if I use it, it will make ME cool!" then use it a lot.

Teens realize old people are using their cool thing. Thing becomes uncool. Teens move on so they can get privacy and not be associated with old people. Thing is considered "ruined" by influx of non-teens.

Repeat ad nauseum.
 
2013-03-04 08:04:28 AM

djscram: The "Facebook-is-about-to-die" worshipers have become nearly as mainstream as the cult of "email is about to die."


Just like the end of the world crowd. Just squawk louder about it and more often. One day the end will come (as it does for everything) and everyone can high five each other on their incredible foresight.
 
2013-03-04 08:06:52 AM
'I'm leaving because a Forbes writer asked his son's best friend Todd if Facebook was still cool and the friend said no, and plus none of HIS friends think so either even Leila who used to love it, and this journalism made me reconsider the long-term viability of the company.'


I'd just like to say that the person who would utter the sentance above should probably be ignored, and not as a resource on the direction of a company.
 
2013-03-04 08:12:03 AM

digistil: Hanky: I would hate to see it, but a really great property for FB to purchase (if it could) would be Fark.

The one great thing would be a sudden lack of trolls, as FB would likely require a FB account for login (which are publicly linked).


trolls, snark and horribly wrong humor are the reasons i come to FARK. if i wanted intelligent conversation the internet is the last place i would look.

profile.ak.fbcdn.net
 
2013-03-04 08:14:51 AM

ZeroCorpse: It's a simple, oft-repeated cycle:

Teens find something, deem it cool, then use it a lot.

Parents find thing teens are using, think "If teens use it, it must be cool, so if I use it, it will make ME cool!" then use it a lot.

Teens realize old people are using their cool thing. Thing becomes uncool. Teens move on so they can get privacy and not be associated with old people. Thing is considered "ruined" by influx of non-teens.

Repeat ad nauseum.


I don't know about cool (from the adult perspective) but many adults consider FB useful. When the kids are 900 miles away, and you can't just stop by and visit the grand kids, it's a useful thing. When your sister lives 3 states away, and her kid is having a baby, it's easy to use FB to tell everyone at once.

Cool or Useful?

I use LinkedIn because it is useful as well.
 
2013-03-04 08:15:11 AM
Online social networks are just like real social networks. Lots of people want to hang with people as cool or cooler than themselves. The hippest bar rarely remains hip, because the unhip people eventually discover it and then the hip people move on.

Why can't people just use blogs, usenet and email?
 
2013-03-04 08:18:09 AM
Parents: If your teenagers are using Snapchat regularly they are sending naked pictures to people. Don't listen to their excuses how *some* people do that but *they* would never consider it.
 
2013-03-04 08:18:29 AM
You know what would fix Facebook for me? Quit farking around with my feed. Give me easy to find and easy to use tools to let *me* decide what I see in my feed. I have the option of "most recent" which I use, and "top stories" which uses some broken-ass algorithm that pulls old threads based on unknown criteria, and buries new posts so I never see them. FB also insists on changing my setting to "top stories" about every ten days. STOP IT!
 
2013-03-04 08:24:03 AM
It might help if they could figure out how to produce a functional Android app.
 
2013-03-04 08:27:58 AM

serial_crusher: You overestimate the amount of shame people have (and underestimate how easy it is to create fake Facebook accounts.  If you don't believe me, I'll have my friends Shre Dder and Dino Saucer reach out to you...)


Dinosaucers...that takes me back
 
2013-03-04 08:32:29 AM
The parents figured it out, and the kids want to move on for more privacy from them?

Go figure.
 
2013-03-04 08:34:34 AM
Teenagers don't want to be in the same online social network as their parents, they don't want an electronic online record of them doing typical adolescent activities that their parents can find and they don't want to have to regularly mess around with an increasingly complex privacy filter that regularly defaults to 'share my shiat'.

Sure they can simply not friend their parents, have a second account or tinker with their privacy settings in detail on a regular basis, but all it takes is for one of their friends to not be as diligent and they may as well be posting straight to their parents wall.

I'd also like to think that kids are wisening up to the fact that what they post online can very easily follow them around forever, but that might be a bit optimistic.
 
2013-03-04 08:46:45 AM

Chevello: The parents figured it out, and the kids want to move on for more privacy from them?

Go figure.


farkeruk: Online social networks are just like real social networks. Lots of people want to hang with people as cool or cooler than themselves.


Both of these. I work in a public school system. We used to block Facebook, but after a while teachers started asking us to grant access to it because they "needed" to use it (don't get me started on that.) Not coincidentally, as they started asking for more and more access to it, students were moving on to other things.
 
2013-03-04 08:51:50 AM
I wish I could be in Zuckerburg's position.  Even if Facebook collapsed tomorrow, the man could live a thousand lifetimes with the money he has.
 
2013-03-04 08:53:56 AM
I'm probably going to have a FB profile for the next ten years at least, but I will say their mobile app is becoming the shiattiest thing ever.

/not even close to 15 minutes being up.  FB is the college online profile.
 
2013-03-04 08:54:28 AM

DubyaHater: I wish I could be in Zuckerburg's position.  Even if Facebook collapsed tomorrow, the man could live a thousand lifetimes with the money he has.


Isn't all his money based on the value of Facebook?
 
2013-03-04 08:54:56 AM

Target Builder: I'd also like to think that kids are wisening up to the fact that what they post online can very easily follow them around forever, but that might be a bit optimistic.


Sadly, it's optimistic. At 15, most kids still see "entering the job world" as a LOOOOONNGG way off even though it's only 5 years. As someone in their 30s, 5 years to me is "right around the corner." To the Internet, 5 years might as well be tomorrow. I don't think kids have the ability to understand that just by virtue of having lived only a short time.
 
2013-03-04 08:55:51 AM

Slaxl: DubyaHater: I wish I could be in Zuckerburg's position.  Even if Facebook collapsed tomorrow, the man could live a thousand lifetimes with the money he has.

Isn't all his money based on the value of Facebook?


I'm assuming he has the inside info to abandon ship before the collapse.
 
2013-03-04 09:00:27 AM

Wrencher: It might help if they could figure out how to produce a functional Android app.


It's perfectly functional, as long as the function is to drain your battery because it won't stop polling for GPS coordinates every 15 minutes.

/Even with Location Services disabled nonetheless.
//Guess the Zuck REALLY needs to know where I am at all times.
 
kab
2013-03-04 09:05:48 AM
Maybe someone should draw a direct correlation between when the app started to suck, when folks began tiring of it, and when it decided to become publicly shared thing.   A timeline, perhaps. :)
 
kab
2013-03-04 09:06:36 AM
shared = traded.

/not enough coffee yet.
 
2013-03-04 09:18:02 AM

Slaxl: DubyaHater: I wish I could be in Zuckerburg's position.  Even if Facebook collapsed tomorrow, the man could live a thousand lifetimes with the money he has.

Isn't all his money based on the value of Facebook?


If I was Z: I'd cash out and spend the rest of my life following Bill Gates around--undoing all of Gates' good deeds.
 
2013-03-04 09:29:05 AM

Hack Patooey: You know what would fix Facebook for me? Quit farking around with my feed. Give me easy to find and easy to use tools to let *me* decide what I see in my feed. I have the option of "most recent" which I use, and "top stories" which uses some broken-ass algorithm that pulls old threads based on unknown criteria, and buries new posts so I never see them. FB also insists on changing my setting to "top stories" about every ten days. STOP IT!


Social Fixer is your friend. It can't fix every crappy change FB makes in its never-ending quest to monetize you, but at least it can nail down the Most Recent preference.
 
2013-03-04 09:30:49 AM
"Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded" -- Yogi Berra
 
2013-03-04 09:43:31 AM
i.dailymail.co.uk
Younger people are now looking for more intimate methods of communication online

"Intimate" and "online" are mutually exclusive.
 
2013-03-04 09:51:34 AM

djscram: The "Facebook-is-about-to-die" worshipers have become nearly as mainstream as the cult of "email is about to die."


What is this "email" of which you speak?
 
2013-03-04 09:52:12 AM

Hack Patooey: You know what would fix Facebook for me? Quit farking around with my feed. Give me easy to find and easy to use tools to let *me* decide what I see in my feed. I have the option of "most recent" which I use, and "top stories" which uses some broken-ass algorithm that pulls old threads based on unknown criteria, and buries new posts so I never see them. FB also insists on changing my setting to "top stories" about every ten days. STOP IT!


Every ten days?!? Facebook must like you; it changes my setting every other day.
 
2013-03-04 10:08:03 AM

YodaBlues: Wrencher: It might help if they could figure out how to produce a functional Android app.

It's perfectly functional, as long as the function is to drain your battery because it won't stop polling for GPS coordinates every 15 minutes.

/Even with Location Services disabled nonetheless.
//Guess the Zuck REALLY needs to know where I am at all times.


Not a problem for me. I have GPS off on both FB and the phone. Maybe that's why the app crashes every 10 mins...
 
2013-03-04 10:20:48 AM
Bahaha I love when news orgs try to pretend anyone gives a shiat about the least influential demographic. Nobody gives a shiat what teens think are cool
 
2013-03-04 10:44:01 AM
It was in the Daily Mail so it's true.
 
2013-03-04 11:00:29 AM
What's the flavor of the day?
Week?
Month?
Year?
Decade?
and so on...
 
2013-03-04 11:34:43 AM

rogue49: What's the flavor of the day?
Week?
Month?
Year?
Decade?
and so on...


Pintrest?

//Real life?
 
2013-03-04 12:11:14 PM
Old news is old.  Facebook's 15 minutes were up a month after the IPO.  Facebook the web-presence is already halfway to MySpace status, and will probably drop by another 50% before levelling off.  It won't ever go completely away though.  Hell, even Xanga sites are still up.  Facebook the corporation has another 5 years or so before it really turns to utter shiat, and all your data gets sold to the highest bidder.
 
2013-03-04 12:27:10 PM

Wrencher: Not a problem for me. I have GPS off on both FB and the phone. Maybe that's why the app crashes every 10 mins...


Having it disabled via the app isn't enough, it still polls whenever it fetches updates. Disabling location services in the FB app only disables GPS for messaging, NOT for the app in general. I've sat there with a logcat window scrolling GPS attempts from the app while it randomly attempts to get a GPS lock. Pretty ridiculous.

Of course, disabling GPS entirely for your phone obviously works, but then you gotta either use tasker to whitelist apps or remember to re-enable when you want something to use it.

And I would bet you are correct, having GPS disabled is probably what's causing it to crash. I would wager they probably don't bother to verify it's enabled before attempt to access the resource.
 
2013-03-04 12:42:56 PM

YodaBlues: Wrencher: Not a problem for me. I have GPS off on both FB and the phone. Maybe that's why the app crashes every 10 mins...

Having it disabled via the app isn't enough, it still polls whenever it fetches updates. Disabling location services in the FB app only disables GPS for messaging, NOT for the app in general. I've sat there with a logcat window scrolling GPS attempts from the app while it randomly attempts to get a GPS lock. Pretty ridiculous.

Of course, disabling GPS entirely for your phone obviously works, but then you gotta either use tasker to whitelist apps or remember to re-enable when you want something to use it.

And I would bet you are correct, having GPS disabled is probably what's causing it to crash. I would wager they probably don't bother to verify it's enabled before attempt to access the resource.


I have a cool little task bar that lets me toggle Wi-Fi, GPS, Bluetooth and syncing on & off and adjust screen brightness.
 
2013-03-04 12:52:52 PM

Wrencher: YodaBlues: Wrencher: Not a problem for me. I have GPS off on both FB and the phone. Maybe that's why the app crashes every 10 mins...

Having it disabled via the app isn't enough, it still polls whenever it fetches updates. Disabling location services in the FB app only disables GPS for messaging, NOT for the app in general. I've sat there with a logcat window scrolling GPS attempts from the app while it randomly attempts to get a GPS lock. Pretty ridiculous.

Of course, disabling GPS entirely for your phone obviously works, but then you gotta either use tasker to whitelist apps or remember to re-enable when you want something to use it.

And I would bet you are correct, having GPS disabled is probably what's causing it to crash. I would wager they probably don't bother to verify it's enabled before attempt to access the resource.

I have a cool little task bar that lets me toggle Wi-Fi, GPS, Bluetooth and syncing on & off and adjust screen brightness.


On iPhones you can disable GPS access to each app from the OS level (i.e. the first time the app runs it has to prompt you, and afterwards there's a toggle in the settings).  Do you Androidies not have something like that?
 
2013-03-04 01:06:29 PM

Wrencher: I have a cool little task bar that lets me toggle Wi-Fi, GPS, Bluetooth and syncing on & off and adjust screen brightness.


Yeah, I have the same thing (running CyanogenMod 10), I just forget I can add the GPS toggle to it.

serial_crusher: On iPhones you can disable GPS access to each app from the OS level (i.e. the first time the app runs it has to prompt you, and afterwards there's a toggle in the settings).  Do you Androidies not have something like that?


No, application permissions (like gps location, read phone state, etc etc ) are granted when you install the app. There are some 3rd-party apps that can disallow certain permissions on an app-by-app basis, but they require root access and none of them work currently for Android 4.2.
 
2013-03-04 01:27:56 PM

serial_crusher: Wrencher: YodaBlues: Wrencher: Not a problem for me. I have GPS off on both FB and the phone. Maybe that's why the app crashes every 10 mins...

Having it disabled via the app isn't enough, it still polls whenever it fetches updates. Disabling location services in the FB app only disables GPS for messaging, NOT for the app in general. I've sat there with a logcat window scrolling GPS attempts from the app while it randomly attempts to get a GPS lock. Pretty ridiculous.

Of course, disabling GPS entirely for your phone obviously works, but then you gotta either use tasker to whitelist apps or remember to re-enable when you want something to use it.

And I would bet you are correct, having GPS disabled is probably what's causing it to crash. I would wager they probably don't bother to verify it's enabled before attempt to access the resource.

I have a cool little task bar that lets me toggle Wi-Fi, GPS, Bluetooth and syncing on & off and adjust screen brightness.

On iPhones you can disable GPS access to each app from the OS level (i.e. the first time the app runs it has to prompt you, and afterwards there's a toggle in the settings).  Do you Androidies not have something like that?


Yeah. But i don't have any apps I need GPS for. I always know where I am.
 
2013-03-04 01:29:14 PM

BHShaman: djscram: The "Facebook-is-about-to-die" worshipers have become nearly as mainstream as the cult of "email is about to die."

What is this "email" of which you speak?


Yeah, probably the same people who keep insistign that pc's are dead.

Actually these days I use Facebook instead of Email for 90% of my communications.
 
2013-03-04 01:37:10 PM

YodaBlues: Wrencher: I have a cool little task bar that lets me toggle Wi-Fi, GPS, Bluetooth and syncing on & off and adjust screen brightness.

Yeah, I have the same thing (running CyanogenMod 10), I just forget I can add the GPS toggle to it.

serial_crusher: On iPhones you can disable GPS access to each app from the OS level (i.e. the first time the app runs it has to prompt you, and afterwards there's a toggle in the settings).  Do you Androidies not have something like that?

No, application permissions (like gps location, read phone state, etc etc ) are granted when you install the app. There are some 3rd-party apps that can disallow certain permissions on an app-by-app basis, but they require root access and none of them work currently for Android 4.2.


Some have toggles in the settings. Google Sky does.
 
2013-03-04 01:37:12 PM

serial_crusher: digistil: Hanky: I would hate to see it, but a really great property for FB to purchase (if it could) would be Fark.

The one great thing would be a sudden lack of trolls, as FB would likely require a FB account for login (which are publicly linked).

You overestimate the amount of shame people have (and underestimate how easy it is to create fake Facebook accounts.  If you don't believe me, I'll have my friends Shre Dder and Dino Saucer reach out to you...)


The only difference is that people have to accept the 'friendship' of those people and most don't take joke profiles too seriously.  The rest of the internet is for troll profiles, Facebook is all too easy to hide or delete trolls forever.
 
2013-03-04 01:58:29 PM

Karne: serial_crusher: digistil: Hanky: I would hate to see it, but a really great property for FB to purchase (if it could) would be Fark.

The one great thing would be a sudden lack of trolls, as FB would likely require a FB account for login (which are publicly linked).

You overestimate the amount of shame people have (and underestimate how easy it is to create fake Facebook accounts.  If you don't believe me, I'll have my friends Shre Dder and Dino Saucer reach out to you...)

The only difference is that people have to accept the 'friendship' of those people and most don't take joke profiles too seriously.  The rest of the internet is for troll profiles, Facebook is all too easy to hide or delete trolls forever.


Well, not if they bought out fark.  I mean, unless you wanted to only show Fark comments from your friends, but I thought people only did that in politics threads?
 
2013-03-04 02:14:10 PM

serial_crusher: Karne: serial_crusher: digistil: Hanky: I would hate to see it, but a really great property for FB to purchase (if it could) would be Fark.

The one great thing would be a sudden lack of trolls, as FB would likely require a FB account for login (which are publicly linked).

You overestimate the amount of shame people have (and underestimate how easy it is to create fake Facebook accounts.  If you don't believe me, I'll have my friends Shre Dder and Dino Saucer reach out to you...)

The only difference is that people have to accept the 'friendship' of those people and most don't take joke profiles too seriously.  The rest of the internet is for troll profiles, Facebook is all too easy to hide or delete trolls forever.

Well, not if they bought out fark.  I mean, unless you wanted to only show Fark comments from your friends, but I thought people only did that in politics threads?


Oops, read that wrong, sorry.  Yeah, the two worlds should (and will) stay far apart.  Facebook is for being real with people as actual humans with repercussions, and Fark is for letting all of your hatred and anger out in a anonymous forum.
 
2013-03-04 06:21:59 PM
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2013-03-04 08:37:17 PM

Wrencher: serial_crusher: Wrencher: YodaBlues: Wrencher: Not a problem for me. I have GPS off on both FB and the phone. Maybe that's why the app crashes every 10 mins...

Having it disabled via the app isn't enough, it still polls whenever it fetches updates. Disabling location services in the FB app only disables GPS for messaging, NOT for the app in general. I've sat there with a logcat window scrolling GPS attempts from the app while it randomly attempts to get a GPS lock. Pretty ridiculous.

Of course, disabling GPS entirely for your phone obviously works, but then you gotta either use tasker to whitelist apps or remember to re-enable when you want something to use it.

And I would bet you are correct, having GPS disabled is probably what's causing it to crash. I would wager they probably don't bother to verify it's enabled before attempt to access the resource.

I have a cool little task bar that lets me toggle Wi-Fi, GPS, Bluetooth and syncing on & off and adjust screen brightness.

On iPhones you can disable GPS access to each app from the OS level (i.e. the first time the app runs it has to prompt you, and afterwards there's a toggle in the settings).  Do you Androidies not have something like that?

Yeah. But i don't have any apps I need GPS for. I always know where I am.



No, I don't know where I'm going
But, I sure know where I've been
Hanging on the promises
In songs of yesterday
An' I've made up my mind,
I ain't wasting no more time
Here I go again
Here I go again
 
2013-03-05 02:09:49 AM

ZeroCorpse: It's a simple, oft-repeated cycle:

Teens find something, deem it cool, then use it a lot.

Parents find thing teens are using, think "If teens use it, it must be cool, so if I use it, it will make ME cool!" then use it a lot.

Teens realize old people are using their cool thing. Thing becomes uncool. Teens move on so they can get privacy and not be associated with old people. Thing is considered "ruined" by influx of non-teens.

Repeat ad nauseum.


You left out "commercialization."
 
2013-03-05 02:17:39 AM

Wellon Dowd: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x514]
Younger people are now looking for more intimate methods of communication online

"Intimate" and "online" are mutually exclusive.


I boarded a light rail train ahead of a teenie who was obsessively texting.  She sat down next to me.  Another teenie sat down opposite us, equally absorbed in texting.  Two stops later, both stood up simultaneously, causing them to look at each other.  One cried,

"OMG!  I was just texting you!"

I lol'ed and said, "You two really need to put those things down!"
 
2013-03-05 06:08:03 AM
Part of it may be this new scheme charging for things like sending private messages to those you're not friends with.
 
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