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(Vice)   Ever wonder what it's like being a social worker in the Tenderloin? "Today: 4 dead clients, 1 murdered provider, 1 client defecated in the lobby, 1 dead dog, & 1 Facebook friend posted pictures of nachos"   (vice.com) divider line 145
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2013-03-04 08:17:13 AM
Pork or beef tenderloin?

I prefer a good chuck roast myself, though...
 
2013-03-04 08:23:34 AM

FTFA: For the most part, people do not want help. They want money or they want drugs or they want death.


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What money or drugs or death may look like.

 
2013-03-04 08:37:53 AM
I think I got into social work because I had this idea of it somehow "killing" my ego. It seems silly, but it felt very real at the time. There's a sadness to watching your idealism and convictions go to shiat. Not to mention that working in such a thankless and farked system will kill a sacred part of you. I feel tired. For the most part, people do not want help. They want money or they want drugs or they want death.

And this is exhibit A of "Why do we keep trying to help them?"

We shouldn't.

If anything, the state has been complicit in assisting these peoples' suicides. It should stop.
 
2013-03-04 08:43:00 AM

Generation_D: I think I got into social work because I had this idea of it somehow "killing" my ego. It seems silly, but it felt very real at the time. There's a sadness to watching your idealism and convictions go to shiat. Not to mention that working in such a thankless and farked system will kill a sacred part of you. I feel tired. For the most part, people do not want help. They want money or they want drugs or they want death.

And this is exhibit A of "Why do we keep trying to help them?"

We shouldn't.

If anything, the state has been complicit in assisting these peoples' suicides. It should stop.


This person had dumb ideas before pursuing a terrible job. Why should I listen to their ideas now? If anything, this person has proven that they should be ignored.
 
2013-03-04 08:43:52 AM
I'd like to tenderize her loins, if you know what I'm saying

/And I think you do
//Also, major props for working in a place like that
 
2013-03-04 08:44:15 AM
I'm too lazy to post the link but do a google search for 'crack whores of the tenderloin'.

Of course it's NSFW why would you even have to ask?

/I'm apologize in advance
 
2013-03-04 08:46:10 AM

xanadian: Pork or beef tenderloin?

I prefer a good chuck roast myself, though...


Yeah, what the fark is Tenderloin in the context of the headline?

I think it's a part of San Francisco, but I'm not sure. I just happen to know that - or think I know that, but I'm not sure. I'm guessing from the headline it's not a very good part of SF. Come to think of it, I'm not sure there are any good parts of SF. I've heard of Tenderloin (where people show up dead or murdered), Castro (where the gay people live NTTAWWT) and the Mission district ("walkin' along in the Mission, in the rain) where some guy missing part of his finger grew up, but I hear that's not a great place either.

/never been to Frisco, obviously - and I call it Frisco because I gather it pisses off the people who actually live in SF. (and it's shorter)
 
2013-03-04 08:47:03 AM
The area needs more hipsters. Look at Brooklyn now. It's safe, business is booming, and there are plenty of young, monied white kids.

I call it hipsternomics. As the number of hipsters grows, the demand for shops and restaurants follows. And since hipsters draw the line at marijuana, the percentage of the population that is drug addicted drops.

Hipsters, while seemingly nothing more than wastes of cheap beer and suspenders, are actually a key cornerstone to the revival of depressed economies.
 
2013-03-04 08:50:47 AM

Generation_D: I think I got into social work because I had this idea of it somehow "killing" my ego. It seems silly, but it felt very real at the time. There's a sadness to watching your idealism and convictions go to shiat. Not to mention that working in such a thankless and farked system will kill a sacred part of you. I feel tired. For the most part, people do not want help. They want money or they want drugs or they want death.

And this is exhibit A of "Why do we keep trying to help them?"

We shouldn't.

If anything, the state has been complicit in assisting these peoples' suicides. It should stop.


Only reason it shouldn't stop is that instead of waiting in a social services line to get their crack money, they'll be knifing you while you walk your dog to get their crack money.
 
2013-03-04 08:51:03 AM
My good friend's wife was a social worker, she ended up leaving that job to work in a prison as the the prison was less depressing.
 
2013-03-04 08:53:02 AM
She knows she is, she knows she's going. Down below where the fire's glowing. Tenderloin. Tenderloin. Tenderloin.
 
2013-03-04 08:53:33 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: The area needs more hipsters. Look at Brooklyn now. It's safe, business is booming, and there are plenty of young, monied white kids.

I call it hipsternomics. As the number of hipsters grows, the demand for shops and restaurants follows. And since hipsters draw the line at marijuana, the percentage of the population that is drug addicted drops.

Hipsters, while seemingly nothing more than wastes of cheap beer and suspenders, are actually a key cornerstone to the revival of depressed economies.


It doesn't solve the people, they just end up in Camden or something.
 
2013-03-04 09:00:18 AM
Well, that was depressing.
 
2013-03-04 09:00:21 AM
I think I got into social work because I had this idea of it somehow "killing" my ego. It seems silly, but it felt very real at the time. There's a sadness to watching your idealism and convictions go to shiat. Not to mention that working in such a thankless and farked system will kill a sacred part of you. I feel tired. For the most part, people do not want help. They want money or they want drugs or they want death.

Hi there! Welcome to working in the public sector. Your number one single piece of advice that will help you transition through time in your life as we crush your soul?

Start drinking heavily
 
2013-03-04 09:11:12 AM

YixilTesiphon: AverageAmericanGuy: The area needs more hipsters. Look at Brooklyn now. It's safe, business is booming, and there are plenty of young, monied white kids.

I call it hipsternomics. As the number of hipsters grows, the demand for shops and restaurants follows. And since hipsters draw the line at marijuana, the percentage of the population that is drug addicted drops.

Hipsters, while seemingly nothing more than wastes of cheap beer and suspenders, are actually a key cornerstone to the revival of depressed economies.

It doesn't solve the people, they just end up in Camden or something.


It's a local solution, granted. However, if the government made hipsterization a priority, a coordinated plan to drive the undesirables toward Detroit could save our cities.
 
2013-03-04 09:11:21 AM
The awakening of a naive liberal. It will happen to the vast majority of Farkers eventually too.
 
2013-03-04 09:13:27 AM

enik: The awakening of a naive liberal. It will happen to the vast majority of Farkers eventually too.


You'd think that.  But it never does.
 
2013-03-04 09:15:05 AM

Generation_D: And this is exhibit A of "Why do we keep trying to help them?" We shouldn't.


SubBass49: Only reason it shouldn't stop is that instead of waiting in a social services line to get their crack money, they'll be knifing you while you walk your dog to get their crack money.


Exactly.  Welfare is a very cheap insurance policy.  If they don't get their handouts, they'll go up the hill like bandits.  Rich idiots see their taxes pay for drug habits and think it's all a waste of money.  Well OK it is, but the Drug War has turned out to be a far more expensive way to deal with the same problem.

Thing is, even the crack addict who shiats himself knows not to kill the golden goose.  It's nice to know that a schizophrenic drug-addled pants-shiatter has more common sense than Wall Street.  No, wait, it isn't.
 
2013-03-04 09:15:59 AM
If you think this was depressing, try being a public school teacher that serves a neighborhood like that.  Then imagine that these same people are the "parents" of the children you teach, and that sometimes the kids fall down that mineshaft of human existence right alongside them.

(have already caught 3 kids dealing drugs this school year in my classroom)

And with that I'm off to work!
 
2013-03-04 09:16:52 AM
*reads headline*

And a partridge in a peaaaar treeeeee
 
2013-03-04 09:18:46 AM
What did she expect? For all the crap social workers are given, it ain't easy. The hours are long, the pay isn't that great, and you're faced with the inhumanity that individuals can do to others and themselves on a daily basis. If you're lucky, you can get a job doing clinical work for hausfraus and uptight businessmen who are a bit down because the Benz blew a tire, and it took AAA 30 minutes to get there and get it fixed.

Most social workers aren't that lucky. The majority work at non-profits dealing with the discarded, the refuse, the forgotten. They are confronted by that inhumanity on a daily basis. That takes a toll on you, and if you aren't affected, you're either lying or need to get out of the business. If one gets into the field with delusions of grandeur that they are going to stroll in and save the world, they're in for a rude awakening. I have yet to meet one social worker that has saved anyone. The only person that can do that is the individual. And that my friends, is a hellish road. But that road doesn't need to be walked alone.

What's a social worker? We're guides. We're Sherpas. We're the people that walk with the individual on that road, creating the opportunities for that person to get to the destination, and hopefully teach them how to do it themselves. Every so often, someone will get to the top, and realize it's a helluva view.  Will it kill a part of you? Absolutely. That's just an occupational hazard. What this individual hasn't figured out is there is no big victory, no fanfare or homecoming parade. It's the little victories. Like the guy who brought here the picture of the tree. It's the guy saying "I'm holding steady today." Every so often, you get the best words in the world. "Hey, I'm ok now, and I don't think I need you anymore." Awesome. Mission complete. On to the next.
 
2013-03-04 09:19:16 AM
My God, she's Audrey Tautou level of pretty.
 
2013-03-04 09:22:39 AM
Every city has hell holes. Smart cities figured out a way to corral them all into one place and keep the tourists away. I wish Winnipeg could figure that out so half the place wasn't ridden by bums.
 
2013-03-04 09:22:48 AM

xanadian: FTFA: For the most part, people do not want help. They want money or they want drugs or they want death.
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What money or drugs or death may look like.


I had copied that quote for my post but you beat me to it.

That said, if she only makes 32k in S.F., she probably has to live in one of those 'residential' hotels.  God, what a depressing line of work.
 
2013-03-04 09:23:28 AM

airsupport: enik: The awakening of a naive liberal. It will happen to the vast majority of Farkers eventually too.

You'd think that.  But it never does.


Damn right. But I'm a big fan of the Spartans at Thermopylae. I'm a sucker for lost causes. Never retreat, never surrender.

So enik, with all due love, care, and respect: FARK YOU. Just because you're too damn weak to give a shiat, doesn't mean I want to be one of those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.
 
2013-03-04 09:28:52 AM
To the social workers out there:

Why are people who won't save themselves worth saving?

Don't quote crap like I'm paying you to prevent them from mugging me, that is ridiculous. Most of these farkwits you see being homeless can barely function. If anything it seems like maintaining their habits is just helping them on a slow road to where they're going to go eventually.

So why do it?

The thing is, I have lived in urban neighborhoods for over 20 years. Old guy alert: It didn't used to be this bad. But by preventing the drugged out and the drunk from killing themselves quickly with their habits of choice, you've created whole entire areas that are open-air psych wards.

It isn't working, and its stressing you guys out too.
 
2013-03-04 09:29:36 AM

dragonchild: Thing is, even the crack addict who shiats himself knows not to kill the golden goose. It's nice to know that a schizophrenic drug-addled pants-shiatter has more common sense than Wall Street. No, wait, it isn't.


To be fair most Wall Street traders have the same blood toxicity as that hobo on the corner
 
2013-03-04 09:31:23 AM
FTFA: Why are my clients so farked up? Traumatic backgrounds, PTSD, and severe mental illness (schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, and dementia are the most frequent cases we see). And whenever you combine a drug habit with compromised mental health, you usually get a mess of a brain.

Is the NRA still in favor of proper psychiatric care?
 
2013-03-04 09:32:01 AM
"today: 4 dead clients, 1 murdered provider, 1 client defecated in the lobby, 1 dead dog, & 1 facebook friend posted pictures of nachos."


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2013-03-04 09:40:28 AM
The article appears to be a statement of the way things are in that district. What is unbelievable is the comments below the article trashing the stater of said facts.
 
2013-03-04 09:44:31 AM
I'm in my last semester for my Masters in Social Work... so I'm getting a kick...

Oh wait, no. No I'm not. Difficulty level: Detroit
 
2013-03-04 09:46:52 AM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: FTFA: Why are my clients so farked up? Traumatic backgrounds, PTSD, and severe mental illness (schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, and dementia are the most frequent cases we see). And whenever you combine a drug habit with compromised mental health, you usually get a mess of a brain.

Is the NRA still in favor of proper psychiatric care?


Not a member of the NRA, but someone who has known people with severe mental health issues.

If your not mentally stable enough to own a gun, you shouldn't be on the street to begin with. We closed down the institutions in the name of humanity and this was the real world result.

People like these described once received medical and psychiatric care as well as having a roof over their head and meals to eat. Their quality of life was far higher than today.

We need to open the institutions, run them humanely, get people like these off the street and make psychiatric care readily available. We can do all of this to take care of our own without trampling on second amendment rights.
 
2013-03-04 09:47:56 AM

fnordest: The article appears to be a statement of the way things are in that district. What is unbelievable is the comments below the article trashing the stater of said facts.


Facts get in the way of anonymous forum poster's various opinions. Best thing Fark ever did was allow the ignore. That way the trolls still get to bleat, but everyone else can carry on.

Most forums are just basically troll v troll nowadays, if they aren't heavily modded, and that gets into its own issues.
 
2013-03-04 09:48:36 AM
Yeah, so where are all the "legalize drugs" cheerleaders now?
 
2013-03-04 09:54:31 AM

Generation_D: you've created whole entire areas that are open-air psych wards.


Has it occured to you that the problem has gotten a LOT worse since the government got rid of "closed-air" psych wards?  Lots of people who used to be institutionalized and cared for are now left to their own devices.  Even people that wouldn't require institutionalization are left high and dry by a pathetic excuse for a mental health regime and they self-medicate themselves into oblivion.
 
2013-03-04 09:56:09 AM

stonent: Yeah, so where are all the "legalize drugs" cheerleaders now?


If drugs were legal we'd still have idiots that couldn't use them without leaving their stinking rotting bodies lying around on other peoples property. Same as we have now. Only for two big differences: 1) gangs wouldnt control distribution, and 2) it would be less of a shame-based issue to deal with addictions, and more of a medical-based issue.

We'd still have the incompetent f-ups who couldn't hold a job but kept drinking and drugging. But there wouldn't be the threat of prison involved in the cleanup. Just .. get you some medicine now off you go.

But then the following entities would be out of work:

- Criminal defense attorneys
- 3/4 of the prison beds in America
- Most large drug gangs
- Major dent in the pharmaceutical industry's profits, since most illegal drugs are more in demand than legal ones.
- Criminal prosecution industry, all those DA's with less work than now
- DEA disbanded and all their mission-creep into civil rights gone overnight
- Various other alphabet agencies whose job involves spying on Americans to find drug trafficking, gone


Pretty impressive list. Now imagine out of all these how many of them have lobbyists and profit significantly from the status quo of today.

If we ended the drug war, we'd have money to help those that really needed help, and to do so properly. Not the infinite band-aids we have now, that results in drugged out and drunk people sleeping on streets regularly in every city in America, or filling up prisons, or feeding this vast array of government like DEA and FBI investigations.
 
2013-03-04 09:58:41 AM

onyxruby: Lee Jackson Beauregard: FTFA: Why are my clients so farked up? Traumatic backgrounds, PTSD, and severe mental illness (schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, and dementia are the most frequent cases we see). And whenever you combine a drug habit with compromised mental health, you usually get a mess of a brain.

Is the NRA still in favor of proper psychiatric care?

Not a member of the NRA, but someone who has known people with severe mental health issues.

If your not mentally stable enough to own a gun, you shouldn't be on the street to begin with. We closed down the institutions in the name of humanity and this was the real world result.

People like these described once received medical and psychiatric care as well as having a roof over their head and meals to eat. Their quality of life was far higher than today.

We need to open the institutions, run them humanely, get people like these off the street and make psychiatric care readily available. We can do all of this to take care of our own without trampling on second amendment rights.


No, to be specific, Reagan closed down the institutions because he was cheap, thoughtless, and wanted his rich donors that ran private facilities to get even richer.

It didn't take long for those people to max-out their potential benefit and then they would spend the rest of their lives bouncing from the streets to jail/prison.
 
2013-03-04 09:59:41 AM

Civchic: Generation_D: you've created whole entire areas that are open-air psych wards.

Has it occured to you that the problem has gotten a LOT worse since the government got rid of "closed-air" psych wards?  Lots of people who used to be institutionalized and cared for are now left to their own devices.  Even people that wouldn't require institutionalization are left high and dry by a pathetic excuse for a mental health regime and they self-medicate themselves into oblivion.


Its occurred to me daily. I have lived for 25 years in or near the same areas that the rest of America sends its pathetic and addicted to come sleep. Streets I have seen degrade for 20 years used to never have people sleeping in doorways that now do.

I cannot understand why we open clinics to attract the addicted. It is only perpetuating their addiction. I would be fully in favor of hospital care, but nobody wants to pay for that, we're too busy paying for prison care instead.
 
2013-03-04 10:01:44 AM
FTA: When you're young, you can afford to have ideals and believe in stuff, and think that what you're doing matters, but after watching grown men shiat themselves and sometimes try to eat their own shiat, not to mention the countless number of times I've had to pick people off the floor and put them back in their wheelchairs because they've been drinking since 6 AM and can't even sit up straight, your measly 32K salary starts to matter a helluva lot more than social justice.

32K?  Cripes.  I can't decide whether to feel smug or guilty.
 
2013-03-04 10:02:09 AM

stonent: Yeah, so where are all the "legalize drugs" cheerleaders now?


I'm sorry, we spent the weekend trying to figure out how to get the mentally ill the help they need.  Was there something you needed?
 
2013-03-04 10:04:14 AM

onyxruby: If your not mentally stable enough to own a gun, you shouldn't be on the street to begin with. We closed down the institutions in the name of humanity and this was the real world result.

People like these described once received medical and psychiatric care as well as having a roof over their head and meals to eat. Their quality of life was far higher than today.

We need to open the institutions, run them humanely, get people like these off the street and make psychiatric care readily available. We can do all of this to take care of our own without trampling on second amendment rights.


The lack of humaneness of these institutions is what got them shut down in the first place.  Which means that's the trick to the thing, because otherwise most people are going to think the kind of people that would need these places are better off on the street.
 
2013-03-04 10:07:43 AM

Raithun: FTA: When you're young, you can afford to have ideals and believe in stuff, and think that what you're doing matters, but after watching grown men shiat themselves and sometimes try to eat their own shiat, not to mention the countless number of times I've had to pick people off the floor and put them back in their wheelchairs because they've been drinking since 6 AM and can't even sit up straight, your measly 32K salary starts to matter a helluva lot more than social justice.

32K?  Cripes.  I can't decide whether to feel smug or guilty.


Shake your head at peoples life choices, about all you can do really. I can't understand why someone would go get an $80,000 degree to work in a $32,000 job, and a thankless one full of stress at that.
 
2013-03-04 10:07:45 AM

Rapmaster2000: Generation_D: I think I got into social work because I had this idea of it somehow "killing" my ego. It seems silly, but it felt very real at the time. There's a sadness to watching your idealism and convictions go to shiat. Not to mention that working in such a thankless and farked system will kill a sacred part of you. I feel tired. For the most part, people do not want help. They want money or they want drugs or they want death.

And this is exhibit A of "Why do we keep trying to help them?"

We shouldn't.

If anything, the state has been complicit in assisting these peoples' suicides. It should stop.

This person had dumb ideas before pursuing a terrible job. Why should I listen to their ideas now? If anything, this person has proven that they should be ignored.


Probably because this woman is part of the line holding 'these people' away from your world.  If anything, she's akin to a soldier fighting the war 'there' so that the enemy doesn't show up on your doorstep.

/analogy may be weak
//but holy hell what would happen if she (and others like her) weren't there
 
2013-03-04 10:10:19 AM
FTA: It's literally located at the bottom of a giant hill (Nob Hill), where the old money sits and looks down on the poor black folk, so the geography of SF's class structure is more blatant than in other cities, I think.

Yeah, that's a classic pattern of economic inequality. Black people live at a lower elevation than white people in almost every city in America. SF isn't more blatant, it just has steeper hills.
 
2013-03-04 10:10:37 AM

madgonad: onyxruby: Lee Jackson Beauregard: FTFA: Why are my clients so farked up? Traumatic backgrounds, PTSD, and severe mental illness (schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, and dementia are the most frequent cases we see). And whenever you combine a drug habit with compromised mental health, you usually get a mess of a brain.

Is the NRA still in favor of proper psychiatric care?

Not a member of the NRA, but someone who has known people with severe mental health issues.

If your not mentally stable enough to own a gun, you shouldn't be on the street to begin with. We closed down the institutions in the name of humanity and this was the real world result.

People like these described once received medical and psychiatric care as well as having a roof over their head and meals to eat. Their quality of life was far higher than today.

We need to open the institutions, run them humanely, get people like these off the street and make psychiatric care readily available. We can do all of this to take care of our own without trampling on second amendment rights.

No, to be specific, Reagan closed down the institutions because he was cheap, thoughtless, and wanted his rich donors that ran private facilities to get even richer.

It didn't take long for those people to max-out their potential benefit and then they would spend the rest of their lives bouncing from the streets to jail/prison.


Jimmy Carter closed down the institutions. Ronald Reagan went after the mental health money.

There is more than enough blame to go around without playing partisan politics. You'll notice I talked about fixing things instead of blaming people.
 
2013-03-04 10:16:52 AM
from TFA:

"Then we check our voicemail. Twenty messages from the same two or three clients who either scream their financial requests over and over, simply sit there and breathe, or tell you that witches are under their beds waiting for the next blood sacrifice."

Well, that's what happens when you give your voice number to Boehner's office.  Really, you should have expected this.
 
2013-03-04 10:18:57 AM
"For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in; naked, and you clothed Me; I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me."

It's truly disheartening that we can't find a little more for those who work so hard for those who do not, and may not ever be able to thank them. That people lucky enough to have never worried about a roof over their heads or food on the table cannot muster any compassion and justify it in every way possible. It's the little people like this, fighting every day to hold back the tide that give us hope. They save lives and families.
 
2013-03-04 10:27:10 AM

IlGreven: The lack of humaneness of these institutions is what got them shut down in the first place. Which means that's the trick to the thing, because otherwise most people are going to think the kind of people that would need these places are better off on the street.


I won't argue there were some bad apples, there were some very bad apples indeed. Unfortunately instead of picking out the bad apples and cleaning the places up we instead went with the concept of community based treatment centers.

This forgot the socioeconomic realities that economies of scale allowed treatment to occur in the institutions that otherwise never would occur at all. The result has been a disaster resulting in decades of stories like the one described in the article.

We threw the baby out with the bathwater and it's time for society to step up to the plate and actually do something about it. Until we we're only going to see decades more of stories like the ones cited above. There is nothing human about what were doing now and it's a cycle in desperate need of breaking.
 
2013-03-04 10:32:08 AM

megarian: I'm in my last semester for my Masters in Social Work... so I'm getting a kick...

Oh wait, no. No I'm not. Difficulty level: Detroit


Welcome to hell. Fear not, you will not be alone. It's one of the most soul-crushing, but at the same time, most rewarding fields you could get into.
 
2013-03-04 10:33:22 AM
And I came to learn some good tenderloin receipes....

Hmmmm, as long as its beef tenderloin, well trimmed and nicely marbled....

Oh, wait....

what?

wow, I missed that un......

this stab at humor will undoubtedly offend some but what is a middle aged while middle class guy, GOING to say that has any meaning about such an article?
 
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