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(Vice)   Ever wonder what it's like being a social worker in the Tenderloin? "Today: 4 dead clients, 1 murdered provider, 1 client defecated in the lobby, 1 dead dog, & 1 Facebook friend posted pictures of nachos"   (vice.com) divider line 145
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2013-03-04 01:45:38 PM

Marine1: And this... this is why I can't stand the city of San Fransisco.

Are there other cities that are as bad or worse? Of course. None are as pretentious as San Fransisco.


...and the city doesn't need you either ..bu by.  Cya hate to be ya.
 
2013-03-04 01:45:44 PM
Dirt pipe milshakes
 
2013-03-04 01:48:45 PM

JerkyMeat: Marine1: And this... this is why I can't stand the city of San Fransisco.

Are there other cities that are as bad or worse? Of course. None are as pretentious as San Fransisco.

...and the city doesn't need you either ..bu by.  Cya hate to be ya.


If you go through life or existence refusing to accept the criticism of others as constructive, you'll meet ruin.
 
2013-03-04 01:52:08 PM

Marine1: And this... this is why I can't stand the city of San Fransisco.

Are there other cities that are as bad or worse? Of course. None are as pretentious as San Fransisco.


Well you sound like a peach.

Guess what: it works both ways. Stay the fark out of our city. We're not missing you.
 
2013-03-04 01:55:49 PM

Marine1: And this... this is why I can't stand the city of San Fransisco.

Are there other cities that are as bad or worse? Of course. None are as pretentious as San Fransisco.


Every city is like this. Few are as pretentious however. Still, love the bay area.
 
2013-03-04 01:56:02 PM

freewill: 504_King_streetcar: Not in the Yew Ess Of Ay, where survival of the fittest is the order of the day. Can't have no retards getting mollycoddled, no sir. Make them get out there and fight for their daily bread like everyone else, that's the 'Murikan way. If they can't do that because the world is just a mad blur to them, why, it's their fault for not being loved enough by Gawd.

The liberal side of this is that we can't detain these misunderstood individuals just because they're a little different. The humane thing to do is let them go on and walk the streets freely, even if it means that half of them will eventually abandon treatment and freeze to death in a ditch full of used needles or end up shot by the cops after they try to shove somebody in front of a subway train. A life of confusion and terror is a civil right guaranteed by the Constitution. Verily, it is a bipartisan shiatpie.


I live in Parkdale, and area of Toronto that is known for its mental diversity. In other words, it's an open air laughing academy. So I know of what you speak. It's a problem with an obvious solution - lock the poor bastiches up, not to keep them away from us but to keep us away from them. Put them in a safe environment and let them have a little peace and quiet. But NOOOOOO can't have that, they've either got to go out and compete in a race they can't comprehend let alone win OR have their right to live in the community guaranteed even if they haven't got anything like the resources to live there. And both sides will stick to their guns until beyond the end of time, fighting tooth and nail for what they think is right and never giving a second's thought to whether or not what they want is actually right. Details like that don't matter, what matters is that the right team wins. I feel like I'm losing a few sanity points just thinking about it.
 
2013-03-04 01:56:11 PM

Marine1: If you go through life or existence refusing to accept the criticism of others as constructive, you'll meet ruin.


Yet you knock SF as "pretentious." You're pretending to be literate with that Midwestern-shopping-mall-Auntie-Anne's-pretzel of a sentence, your profile indicates you're not actually a Marine, and the "criticism" you so helpfully offered was a mis-applied insult.

Also, all human existence is life. Not "or."

It's not that SF is full of "pretentious" farkers that do something wrong. It's that you're a farking goof, and the kind of people that live in SF are the kind of people that realize it.
 
2013-03-04 02:04:18 PM
Back on topic: I live on that "rich person hill" they talk about, above the TL. The hill isn't nearly as rich, and the TL isn't nearly as bad, as this article -- and these commenters -- would have you believe.

Sure it's easy to buy crack and heroin once you get below O'Farrell past, say, Leavenworth...and the biggest benefit to living on Nob Hill is you're close to everything but high enough up the hill that the junkies are tired of climbing before the get to your door...but one of the reasons SF is a great place is that, if the people had their way, far fewer of our dollars would be spent on cops, lawyers, and prisons for people like this, and far more would be spent on hospitals and care.

It's easy to get jaded, as so many "fark 'em all" Farkers above me are. Hell, I'm no great friend to the 14 guys that ask me for money every day (but I'm happy my taxes are providing shelters and programs for those that would use them). Because for every career a55hole wandering the Loin, busting car windows to have a sidewalk sale, you have a guy like this:

http://www.examiner.com/article/shoeshine-man-s-plight-shows-the-gov er nment-sees-no-right-to-make-a-living

And that's why you can't write them all off. You're not required to help these people yourself. That's your choice. But don't go out of your way to stand in theirs.

Final point: you are not allowed to rip on the mentally ill unless you've had a family member/loved one with mental issues. You don't know what the fark you're talking about.

/SF: we'd rather help the wrong guy, so long as it meant maybe reaching the right one. It's better than the alternative.
 
2013-03-04 02:14:49 PM
Did anyone read the comment about how they fired this poor woman?
I wonder if it is true...
 
2013-03-04 02:38:39 PM

Scrotastic Method: Marine1: If you go through life or existence refusing to accept the criticism of others as constructive, you'll meet ruin.

Yet you knock SF as "pretentious." You're pretending to be literate with that Midwestern-shopping-mall-Auntie-Anne's-pretzel of a sentence, your profile indicates you're not actually a Marine, and the "criticism" you so helpfully offered was a mis-applied insult.

Also, all human existence is life. Not "or."

It's not that SF is full of "pretentious" farkers that do something wrong. It's that you're a farking goof, and the kind of people that live in SF are the kind of people that realize it.


Wonderful.

While you insult me based on the fact that I don't like your city, there are still a bunch of guys roaming around shiatting up the escalators in BART stations.

I've been to Frisco. It's a nice town. Lots of culture. Lots of intellectual capital. On the other hand, for all of the advantages those things can (and do) bring SF, remarkably little has been used to solve the problems of the city. I've never seen such a disparity in quality of life anywhere else. You can go through Union Square and see shops selling wares that would cost a whole year's salary, then go out to the plaza and see three or four aromatic homeless guys lounging around. The solution?

Give them dogs.


Charitable giving in San Fransisco is nothing to crow about, either. Heck, people in Kansas City and Tulsa give more, and those are areas with far less economic activity.

How America Gives

For all the talk of progressive values and cooperation in that city, it doesn't seem to mean much for the folks that need it the most.
 
2013-03-04 02:53:32 PM
Good lord. You want to compare people donating to their church in Tulsa to people in SF time and again voting to divert substantial tax money to social programs? What's the homelessness rate in middle-of-nowhere Missouri? Oklahoma?

You really think Union Square is the only tourist destination that attracts beggars?

SF attracts more homeless than any other city in the US -- possibly the world. We spend more money on it than any other city in the US -- possibly the world. People like the author of this article are the boots on the ground. But she's a band-aid on a bullet wound.

I'm sorry you had a bad time because some smelly guy got in your way when you came out of Cheescake Factory. But you're probably the type that should have stayed in Missouri, playing your video game, pretending that makes you a soldier.
 
2013-03-04 03:08:08 PM

Happy Hours: xanadian: Pork or beef tenderloin?

I prefer a good chuck roast myself, though...

Yeah, what the fark is Tenderloin in the context of the headline?

I think it's a part of San Francisco, but I'm not sure. I just happen to know that - or think I know that, but I'm not sure. I'm guessing from the headline it's not a very good part of SF. Come to think of it, I'm not sure there are any good parts of SF. I've heard of Tenderloin (where people show up dead or murdered), Castro (where the gay people live NTTAWWT) and the Mission district ("walkin' along in the Mission, in the rain) where some guy missing part of his finger grew up, but I hear that's not a great place either.

/never been to Frisco, obviously - and I call it Frisco because I gather it pisses off the people who actually live in SF. (and it's shorter)


As you managed to surmise, the Tenderloin is part of San Fran.  Frisco is the nick name for the north side of the bay, not San Fransisco, so it doesn't so much piss people off, they just think you are retarded.

Ever heard of Pike place? Times Square?  Etc etc etc.

Also, people from there say "hella" which I think is funny.
 
2013-03-04 03:13:05 PM
Looking forward to the "social worker fired for giving interview about her work" story a couple days from now.
 
2013-03-04 03:18:27 PM

Smelly Pirate Hooker: Looking forward to the "social worker fired for giving interview about her work" story a couple days from now.


Apparently, she has already been fired.
 
2013-03-04 03:19:06 PM
Moral:  never stick your dick in social worker.
 
2013-03-04 03:22:10 PM
For what it's worth, I think this person they interviewed has a reasonable attitude towards it. She acknowledges that it's farked up (because it is, for fark's sake) and is realistic (though I feel certain she's probably held back on some of the worst shiat) about what it entails. As long as she's not abusive towards them, I don't see what the problem is with realistically describing work that most of us would not be able to do for even one full day.

I doubt the crackheads and loonies she's describing would be offended by her descriptions of them, even if they were aware of them.

And I agree with her that most of these people don't want help. Some of them are just farking crazy and don't think they need help. And the junkies and drunks just plain don't want it. They just want to get high or drunk.
 
2013-03-04 03:25:39 PM
I had a coworker who used to be one of the CPS guys in Detroit that removed kids from hellish homes.

Amazing effing guy who never talked about specifics - only that it was a job that had to be done, and only he and one other guy could really handle the combination of seeing the daily living hell those kids were in and the possible violence awaiting them when they arrived with the court order.

But he did wonder how many Young, Ambitious, and ultimately naive kids fresh with their Social Work MS degrees in hand he saw get completely burned out on social work (and kind of life / goodness of humanity in general) after working there with him.  He couldn't count how many didn't make it a year or even a month.

I think he saw that burnout happening in me, different situation but similar "what the hell things just keep getting worse while I'm working myself to my physical limit" situation.  He was right.  One of the most perceptive and honestly compassionate people I've ever met.
 
2013-03-04 03:27:32 PM

onyxruby: If your not mentally stable enough to own a gun, you shouldn't be on the street to begin with.


I'd argue that I'm not mentally stable enough to own a gun (couldn't anyway; I've been involuntarily institutionalized), but no one has ever told me that I should be permanently institutionalized.
 
2013-03-04 03:34:21 PM

jpk_ks: Something does need to be done about how to take care of the truly mentally ill and disabled. In my state (Kansas) funding was cut a few years ago for group homes. Now, between the hours of 9AM and 3PM, everyone living in a KS sponsored group home has to leave since there will be no nurse on site to help watch everyone. Regardless of weather. Or level of care needed. Period.

The governor that approved that cut - Kathleen Sebielius. Even if Sam Brownback (R) had done it, I'd still consider it wrong.


You hit on my point, community based mental health care is a complete and epic failure. We need to go back to the institutions where we can utilize economies of scale that are presently not possible and allow people to slip between the cracks. In many communities homeless dogs are treated better than the homeless mentally ill and it's not the least bit humane.

Local communities are either unwilling or unable to take responsibility for the severely mentally ill, and they can't take responsibility for themselves. Society needs to step up and do the right thing.
 
2013-03-04 03:40:08 PM

GranoblasticMan: I'd argue that I'm not mentally stable enough to own a gun (couldn't anyway; I've been involuntarily institutionalized)


If your stable enough to function in society without being a danger to yourself or others you should be able to own a gun. Think of the crazy lady with the 9 year old from yesterday that she thought was ill-equipped for manhood someday - she drowned him.

If you are a danger to yourself or others you shouldn't be in society (and therefore capable of buying a gun to begin with). Millions of people have been through treatment for drugs or alcohol and rejoined society with success for example.
 
2013-03-04 04:00:12 PM

Kahabut: Also, people from there say "hella" which I think is funny.


Before I moved out here I knew musicians from the Bay Area, they'd come to where I grew up, we'd hang, they'd say hella, and I'd laugh in their face. After 8-ish years of living here...I can't stop saying it myself. It's a perfectly cromulent word.
 
2013-03-04 04:03:29 PM

Scrotastic Method: Kahabut: Also, people from there say "hella" which I think is funny.

Before I moved out here I knew musicians from the Bay Area, they'd come to where I grew up, we'd hang, they'd say hella, and I'd laugh in their face. After 8-ish years of living here...I can't stop saying it myself. It's a perfectly cromulent word.


I only lived in SF for about 3 years, I managed to get away without having picked up that word.

I do however say "a minute" when I mean more like 2 days.  Gah!!!!!!
 
2013-03-04 04:23:08 PM
used to live there, i miss the cockroaches crawling over me at night and the smell of puke and urine in the streets.
 
Ehh
2013-03-04 04:26:07 PM
I know someone who works in a similar job here in Los Angeles. Her latest joke: She works in the only growth industry that the United States has right now.

/bankrupt, paranoid, and murderous is no way to go through life, you bum
/unless you're the U.S. government
 
2013-03-04 04:40:53 PM

Cold_Sassy: MrSteve007: There was a time when most of these people were institutionalized:
[www.richardavedon.com image 850x519]

While there certainly were many abuses and problems with the old system, it seems better than letting the disturbed, psychotic, or mentally inept wander the streets, begging for handouts, and dying in the cold. Instead of confronting the problem, we choose to look away and ignore it.

[static.igossip.com image 550x440]

[teamowens313.files.wordpress.com image 620x408]

As a society, we hardly blink an eye when we spend hundreds of billions to bomb other nations, yet we can't provide basic care for those who can't take care of themselves. We can do better.

Wow, that last picture is heartbreaking.


I know! Did he get...paved over??? I'm not sure what I'm seeing...
 
2013-03-04 04:54:57 PM

stonent: Yeah, so where are all the "legalize drugs" cheerleaders now?


Right here. Legalize them all.
 
2013-03-04 04:58:52 PM
She's a social worker?!  Pffft, what a loser.

Couldn't she have gotten a job as an i-banker or something to do with venture capital or tech?
 
2013-03-04 05:15:48 PM

Generation_D: And this is exhibit A of "Why do we keep trying to help them?"

We shouldn't.


Maybe if you had decent universal mental health care, free at point of use, you wouldn't have quite so many people needing this sort of help.
 
2013-03-04 05:29:06 PM

Generation_D: Why are people who won't save themselves worth saving?


Because they are human beings. That is why we should feed the hungry, give drink to the thirsty, welcome the stranger, clothe the naked, comfort the sick, visit the prisoner and bury the dead.
 
2013-03-04 05:37:35 PM

onyxruby: You hit on my point, community based mental health care is a complete and epic failure.


Community based mental health care can work - if it's properly resourced, and that's expensive. Unfortunately the move away from institutional care is almost always driven by a desire to save money, not by a desire to provide better care.
 
2013-03-04 05:54:05 PM

orbister: Community based mental health care can work - if it's properly resourced, and that's expensive. Unfortunately the move away from institutional care is almost always driven by a desire to save money, not by a desire to provide better care.


The problem is socioeconomic, it is simply far too expensive to make it work in the community. We have decades of this failed experience built upon the concept of 'it takes a village'. Understand I am a very ardent supporter of making sure people get mental health care.

I just recognize that our current system is a failure and the only way to make it work is to go back to the model where we can benefit from economies of scale, effectively monitor people (patients and staff) and ensure programs and resources are available that could never otherwise be justified. It's a lot easier to monitor a few big centers than a bunch of small ones.
 
2013-03-04 06:34:34 PM

GranoblasticMan: What a social worker might look like:

[i.imgur.com image 598x429]


Yeah, but she's free-lance.
 
2013-03-04 08:00:27 PM
My Tenderloin CSB story.

Visited San Francisco with a buddy of mine a few years ago.  At one of the bars I was chatting up a really attractive guy who was seemingly very interested in me as well.  I had had a bit too much to drink, so when he mentioned that he lived in the Tenderloin, I commented on the fact that I'd heard it's a rough part of town to live him.  He took that personally and immediately became distant and stand-offish.

Later that night, the guy honed in on my buddy and started hitting on him and making out with him -- I presume to make me jealous or to get back at me.  Not that it worked, it was San Francisco, the bar was filled with attractive, friendly guys.

Anyway, Tenderloin dude -- yeah, he gave my buddy crabs.

I dodged a bullet.
 
2013-03-04 08:12:38 PM

lack of warmth: SubBass49: If you think this was depressing, try being a public school teacher that serves a neighborhood like that.  Then imagine that these same people are the "parents" of the children you teach, and that sometimes the kids fall down that mineshaft of human existence right alongside them.

(have already caught 3 kids dealing drugs this school year in my classroom)

And with that I'm off to work!

Oh woe is you, since you are the one who follows up with home visits and the like.  No, oh that is right teachers call social workers and the police to take over.  Chances are, you're only guessing about their home life since you haven't actually seen it.  I had a teacher make a false call on me once, the CPS worker was surprised to see our house was clean and nice.  It's nice not having my kids around judgmental  educators anymore.

(even upscale areas having drug dealing in schools)


I have actually done home visits, so kindly fark yourself with a rusty fork.  Therefore, I HAVE seen the home life of the students I serve.  I also meet the dozen or so parents that show up (out of 170+ students that I teach every year).  Give you any idea of the class of parenting going on where I teach?

Now, as for your bad experience over a "false call," there had to have been enough reasonable suspicion of neglectful or abusive behavior to get you the visit from CPS.  Just because you managed to hide it when they showed up doesn't mean the teacher was wrong to report it.  You do realize that all teachers are "mandated reporters," don't you?  Meaning, if we suspect something is going on, we HAVE to report it or face potentially being jailed and losing our careers.  I'm sorry someone didn't want to risk their career under the assumption that everything was rosy in your household.
 
2013-03-04 10:39:09 PM
AverageAmericanGuy:

I call it hipsternomics. As the number of hipsters grows, the demand for shops and restaurants follows. And since hipsters draw the line at marijuana, the percentage of the population that is drug addicted drops.

Hispters do more drugs than you could possibly imagine.
 
2013-03-04 11:48:51 PM
I'm an LMSW. I currently work with developmentally disabled adults who are the sweetest people I have ever met. However, the employees are a bunch of assholes and being a supervisor at the organization is stressing the hell out of me because I have to deal with their crap even on my days off (on-call responsibilities). I have more trouble getting the employees to show up for their shifts then I have with the residents themselves. I'm hoping to get into a clinic job where my days off are actually days off.
 
2013-03-05 12:32:51 AM
Sounds like a night around King Eddies. Worked in the Tenderloin as well a on a construction project. LA bums are more respectful the SF bums. SoCal bums are better then NorCal bums...

blogdowntown.com
 
2013-03-05 02:07:26 AM
It's a shame Hitler ruined the idea of a final solution to the schizo/crackhead/vagrant problem.
 
2013-03-05 02:46:11 AM

Bomb Mecca: It's a shame Hitler ruined the idea of a final solution to the schizo/crackhead/vagrant problem.


I'd gladly deal with the occasional crack head breaking into my car, than having B17 dropping a 500lb bomb on it.
 
2013-03-05 02:57:18 AM
megarian:
"I'm in my last semester for my Masters in Social Work... so I'm getting a kick...

Oh wait, no. No I'm not. Difficulty level: Detroit"

You were already awesome, but this ups your awesomeness.

What field are you planning on going into?
 
2013-03-05 03:05:58 AM
Generation_D:
"To the social workers out there:

Why are people who won't save themselves worth saving?

Don't quote crap like I'm paying you to prevent them from mugging me, that is ridiculous. Most of these farkwits you see being homeless can barely function. If anything it seems like maintaining their habits is just helping them on a slow road to where they're going to go eventually."

Just because someone is broken doesn't mean they don't deserve basic respect and compassion.

I don't believe in handouts but the fact remains that homeless people are seen as a blight, so that's one major reason they put those people up in the residential hotels. If they were all on the street, sf would probably suffer even more in terms of being able to draw business and tourists.

I'm a social worker partially because I'm an optimist and a nurturer by nature. And as cheesy as it sounds, there's a certain spiritual satisfaction I get out of being around people who are at their most vulnerable. It gives me perspective and makes me thankful for all that I have.

But even I couldn't work in the tenderloin or oakland. Everyone has their limits.

But then again, I loved working at a tech start-up too. *shrug*
 
2013-03-05 04:08:29 AM
Kahabut:
 "Frisco is the nick name for the north side of the bay, not San Fransisco,"

Wait, what? I'm from the bay and I've never heard that description of the word.
 
2013-03-05 04:26:31 AM
onyxruby:

orbister: Community based mental health care can work - if it's properly resourced, and that's expensive. Unfortunately the move away from institutional care is almost always driven by a desire to save money, not by a desire to provide better care.

"The problem is socioeconomic, it is simply far too expensive to make it work in the community. We have decades of this failed experience built upon the concept of 'it takes a village'. Understand I am a very ardent supporter of making sure people get mental health care.

I just recognize that our current system is a failure and the only way to make it work is to go back to the model where we can benefit from economies of scale, effectively monitor people (patients and staff) and ensure programs and resources are available that could never otherwise be justified. It's a lot easier to monitor a few big centers than a bunch of small ones."

Not sure why you keep mentioning "economies of scale". Institutions are far from economical to run.

Community health monitoring where people live in their homes is VASTLY cheaper than institutions, has much less rampant abuse (physically, mentally, etc).

There are a few institutions left in the US and they are generally a financial pit that creates horrible situations for abuse. The ny times did a heartbreaking story a few months ago about a physically and mentally disabled teen who was murdered by staff in one in ny.

I agree with orbister. It takes money, and it takes an accessible health care system. Right now there is so much bureaucracy, it's nearly impossible to navigate it on your own if you are dealing with delusions, ptsd, etc
 
2013-03-05 10:03:10 AM

silvervial: Cold_Sassy: MrSteve007: There was a time when most of these people were institutionalized:
[www.richardavedon.com image 850x519]

While there certainly were many abuses and problems with the old system, it seems better than letting the disturbed, psychotic, or mentally inept wander the streets, begging for handouts, and dying in the cold. Instead of confronting the problem, we choose to look away and ignore it.

[static.igossip.com image 550x440]

[teamowens313.files.wordpress.com image 620x408]

As a society, we hardly blink an eye when we spend hundreds of billions to bomb other nations, yet we can't provide basic care for those who can't take care of themselves. We can do better.

Wow, that last picture is heartbreaking.

I know! Did he get...paved over??? I'm not sure what I'm seeing...


You've probably deciphered it by now, but he is dead and frozen underwater.
 
2013-03-05 12:45:23 PM

Scrotastic Method: Good lord. You want to compare people donating to their church in Tulsa to people in SF time and again voting to divert substantial tax money to social programs? What's the homelessness rate in middle-of-nowhere Missouri? Oklahoma?

You really think Union Square is the only tourist destination that attracts beggars?

SF attracts more homeless than any other city in the US -- possibly the world. We spend more money on it than any other city in the US -- possibly the world. People like the author of this article are the boots on the ground. But she's a band-aid on a bullet wound.

I'm sorry you had a bad time because some smelly guy got in your way when you came out of Cheescake Factory. But you're probably the type that should have stayed in Missouri, playing your video game, pretending that makes you a soldier.


Well, whatever you're doing, it's not working, and the stupid ideas that get floated in that city on how to fix it indicate that the town has become a parody of itself.

/and I hardly think that makes me a soldier
//need to figure out how to change that SN
 
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