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(Deadline)   Steven Spielberg is developing Stanley Kubrick's Napoleon movie as, quite fittingly, a mini-series   (deadline.com) divider line 61
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2013-03-03 10:00:04 PM  
Could be interesting. But I hope he does it on film with the good optical cameras that Kurbick used. Without farken colorist coming and making it teal-green in post processing. In Barry Lyndon, Kurbrick used natural lighting and good cameras to capture the feel of the period; with candle light and low lighting instead of studio lighting...so you got a nice visual feel of the warmth of the lighting. Instead of what they do now...and just wash everything with a teal green in post digital processing; instead of capturing a scene in the natural lighting.
 
2013-03-03 10:17:50 PM  
Mini-series, eh?

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2013-03-04 12:08:25 AM  
I wish Spielberg the best of luck with this. Kubrick had an entire farking room in his home filled floor to ceiling with books and notes about Napoleon and how he wanted his film to be made. Also, the filming, as mentioned earlier, should be done on film with the keen attention to the lenses and optics which Kubrick was known for. If Speilberg tries to pass this off as "based on" Kubrick's work then there will be hell to pay from Kubrick fans like myself.

Also, a CRM114 reference will need to be in there somewhere. Wouldn't feel right without it.
 
2013-03-04 12:18:31 AM  
NAPOLEON WASN'T SHORT GODDAMMIT.

OK, I got that out of my system, now let me say that this could be really sweet.

As much as I like Barry Lyndon, a Kubrick treatment of Napoleon would have been epic.

And on an cool final note, "Kubrick" is in my spell-checker.
 
2013-03-04 12:50:43 AM  
Wonder who's on Spielberg's short list.
 
2013-03-04 01:15:40 AM  
It seems like Steven is trying to call the dead out of the grave.
 
2013-03-04 01:20:50 AM  

TheXerox: I wish Spielberg the best of luck with this. Kubrick had an entire farking room in his home filled floor to ceiling with books and notes about Napoleon and how he wanted his film to be made. Also, the filming, as mentioned earlier, should be done on film with the keen attention to the lenses and optics which Kubrick was known for. If Speilberg tries to pass this off as "based on" Kubrick's work then there will be hell to pay from Kubrick fans like myself.

Also, a CRM114 reference will need to be in there somewhere. Wouldn't feel right without it.


There's something about real film, and good optics..and NO digital color correction--that makes a good classic film.
I'm really sick of modern film makers using a teal-blue/green/orange in their films. It's very distracting to me.
They have color post production color tools and over use them and adjusting skin tones into Guido orange suntan...instead of filming the dang thing correctly the in the first place.

This:
i.crackedcdn.com

Or This:
oilersnation.com
 
2013-03-04 01:21:17 AM  
Daniel Day Lewis already working on losing 12" of height...
 
2013-03-04 01:44:15 AM  
I like the part where he'll have Napoleon reanimated by aliens to live for one day with a recreation of his mother.
 
2013-03-04 01:45:14 AM  
He did this with A.I. and it was pretty disappointing, especially the ending.  I will be waiting on this with somewhat low expectations.
 
2013-03-04 02:03:52 AM  

Klippoklondike: He did this with A.I. and it was pretty disappointing, especially the ending.  I will be waiting on this with somewhat low expectations.


Came here to say this, although much less kindly. He'll Spielberg it, just like he Spielbergs everything. There will be that one moment in the movie where he just can't help himself and stops the picture dead in its tracks for The Spielberg Moment.

/I could have save one...more...jew!
//STFU and get in the car, Schindler.
 
2013-03-04 02:20:46 AM  
Duel, Jaws, 1941, Raiders.

Other than that, meh.
 
2013-03-04 02:26:03 AM  

100 Watt Walrus: There will be that one moment in the movie where he just can't help himself and stops the picture dead in its tracks for The Spielberg Moment.


Ron Howard does the exact same thing. Like the 4-minute re-entry scene that is only suspenseful if you go into the movie knowing absolutely nothing about Apollo 13.
 
2013-03-04 02:36:40 AM  

Triumph: 100 Watt Walrus: There will be that one moment in the movie where he just can't help himself and stops the picture dead in its tracks for The Spielberg Moment.

Ron Howard does the exact same thing. Like the 4-minute re-entry scene that is only suspenseful if you go into the movie knowing absolutely nothing about Apollo 13.


I was a huge space junkie at the time and knew every detail of the Apollo 13 story. I stayed up for days and skipped school and had my transistor radio on my pillow. I bled for those guys.

The movie still had me on the edge of my seat.

Well played, Opie.
 
2013-03-04 02:39:34 AM  

Solid Muldoon: The movie still had me on the edge of my seat.

Well played, Opie.


I thought he milked it a bit. Like he was trying to prove to you how long four minutes is.
 
2013-03-04 02:44:31 AM  

Triumph: Solid Muldoon: The movie still had me on the edge of my seat.

Well played, Opie.

I thought he milked it a bit. Like he was trying to prove to you how long four minutes is.


Well, we did need a few seconds of Balok looking concerned. That is required.
 
2013-03-04 02:50:22 AM  

gwowen: Daniel Day Lewis already working on losing 12" of height...


Too late. He's attached to the Benji reboot. I heard he's already started his method training by running after cars and taking a shiat on the director's office floor.
 
2013-03-04 03:48:08 AM  

Solid Muldoon: Duel, Jaws, 1941, Raiders.

Other than that, meh.


"Catch Me If You Can" is one of his best.

"E.T.," "Last Crusade," "Empire of the Sun," "Close Encounters," "Jurassic Park," "Schindler's List" (minus the "one more jew!" scene), and "Saving Private Ryan" (minus the graveyard bookends) all rank above "meh."

Heard good things about "Munich" too, but seeing as it came between the weak of "War of the Worlds" (and it's unforgivable finale) and awful "Crystal Skull," I have serious dubes.
 
2013-03-04 03:53:04 AM  

Solid Muldoon: Triumph: Solid Muldoon: The movie still had me on the edge of my seat.

Well played, Opie.

I thought he milked it a bit. Like he was trying to prove to you how long four minutes is.

Well, we did need a few seconds of Balok looking concerned. That is required.


I'm with Muldoon on this one. Why would you do that scene any other way? That scene was the arguably the most tense 4 minutes in the history of the space program, and nobody had ever seen it from that POV in real time. It would be stupid to short-change it just because moviegoers know the outcome in advance. Your same argument of a foredrawn conclusion could be made against any scene in any historical drama - or any fight scene, chase, or finale of almost any action movie for that matter.
 
2013-03-04 04:10:50 AM  

100 Watt Walrus: Your same argument of a foredrawn conclusion could be made against any scene in any historical drama - or any fight scene, chase, or finale of almost any action movie for that matter.


Except in those examples, things are actually happening, whereas in this we get multiple shots of people staring at a clock. 100 Watt Walrus made the point that Spielberg likes to take movies that are progressing at a fast clip and then bring them to a screeching halt for a "special moment." I was only making the point that other directors employ that method also, most notably Howard who does it a lot.
 
2013-03-04 04:13:19 AM  
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Awesome news!!
 
2013-03-04 04:57:26 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: NAPOLEON WASN'T SHORT GODDAMMIT.

OK, I got that out of my system, now let me say that this could be really sweet.

As much as I like Barry Lyndon, a Kubrick treatment of Napoleon would have been epic.

And on an cool final note, "Kubrick" is in my spell-checker.


Yup.I think he was 5-7 or somewhere in that range (not short for the time). The Napoleon-is-short history comes mostly from his deliberate surrounding of himself by guards that were taller. Whenever I hear "Napoleon complex" uttered I want to choke the person saying it. Hell, my dad was 5-7. Somehow I got lucky at 5-11. Possibly the milkman.

Anyway, Spielberg seldom farks up. How bad can this be? Even as a mini-series?
 
2013-03-04 05:01:32 AM  

dickfreckle: The Napoleon-is-short history comes mostly from his deliberate surrounding of himself by guards that were taller.


Also possibly some political cartoons.

Nelson himself was 5'5 - two inches shorter than Napoleon...
 
2013-03-04 05:58:16 AM  
nothing good will come of this. Spielberg is a child in a sand box when compared to Mr.Kubrick. can't imagine what the fa la la Kubrick's estate was thinking. unless 'estate' in this instance means money hungry lawyer executors.
 
2013-03-04 06:18:05 AM  
I would love to see his take on the Ziggy Piggy scene.
 
2013-03-04 06:29:50 AM  

dickfreckle: Anyway, Spielberg seldom farks up. How bad can this be? Even as a mini-series?


Sorry to quote myself, but I forgot about AI (for the two people who don't know, it was a Kubrcik project taken over by homeboy here). That one, eh, wasn't so good. But I think we judge the film based on Kubrick standards, which isn't fair. I enjoyed the film but missed the things Kubrcik would have added.

Still, we should give this series a chance.
 
2013-03-04 06:36:42 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: NAPOLEON WASN'T SHORT GODDAMMIT.


Alexander the Great was, though.

/Charlemagne and Peter the Great both were very tall
 
mhd
2013-03-04 07:11:42 AM  
Will this have

a) dragons?
b) Sean Bean?
 
2013-03-04 07:22:27 AM  
better include a giant water slide.

/triomphe, Napoleon!
 
2013-03-04 07:28:58 AM  

TheXerox: I wish Spielberg the best of luck with this. Kubrick had an entire farking room in his home filled floor to ceiling with books and notes about Napoleon and how he wanted his film to be made.


Not only that, every screenwriter who worked for him from the preproduction of 2001 on wrote at least one draft of a screenplay.  He even asked Anthony Burgess to make a stab at it (connecting Napoleon and Beethoven) which Burgess ended up publishing as Napoleon Quartet.  Even Michael Herr wrote a draft.  I think the only writer who wasn't asked was Stephen King.
 
2013-03-04 07:31:52 AM  

Ilmarinen: Alexander the Great was, though.


Alexander the Great made up for it by being freaking hot:
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-03-04 07:34:04 AM  
When was the last time mainstream Hollywood did a Napoleon biopic? Considering that Napoleon functioned in the political and mass cultural psyche much the same way as Hitler did in the nineteenth century, it's funny how far removed we are from his time now. Probably something to do with the twentieth century eclipsing the prior one in brutality.
 
2013-03-04 07:34:33 AM  
So he's going to turn that into a shiatshow like AI: Artificial Intelligence?
 
2013-03-04 07:38:35 AM  

Seth'n'Spectrum: Considering that Napoleon functioned in the political and mass cultural psyche much the same way as Hitler did in the nineteenth century, it's funny how far removed we are from his time now. Probably something to do with the twentieth century eclipsing the prior one in brutality.


Hitler massacred 6 million jews. What on Earth did Bonaparte do that could even be compared to what Hitler did, or that could even be considered worse than what every other European head of states at the time did ?
 
2013-03-04 07:49:08 AM  

dickfreckle: Lionel Mandrake: NAPOLEON WASN'T SHORT GODDAMMIT.

OK, I got that out of my system, now let me say that this could be really sweet.

As much as I like Barry Lyndon, a Kubrick treatment of Napoleon would have been epic.

And on an cool final note, "Kubrick" is in my spell-checker.

Yup.I think he was 5-7 or somewhere in that range (not short for the time). The Napoleon-is-short history comes mostly from his deliberate surrounding of himself by guards that were taller. Whenever I hear "Napoleon complex" uttered I want to choke the person saying it. Hell, my dad was 5-7. Somehow I got lucky at 5-11. Possibly the milkman.

Anyway, Spielberg seldom farks up. How bad can this be? Even as a mini-series?


He was 5'7" you're right. A lot of the confusion from his height comes from the french using Mesures Usuelles during the time instead of metric. It was close enough so when the British saw 1.575 (5'2" ) they figured it was metric making him very short. That along with an improper height listed on his autopsy and you have a nearly 200 year old urban legend.
 
2013-03-04 07:49:34 AM  
As talented as Spielberg is, he really cannot do Kubrick. Kubrick was a master of airless space and framing a shot into a art piece. A.I. Proved that Spielberg and Kubrick are like oil and water.

With all that said I think a Napoleon mini would be great. its been a while since we have seen something about him in the movies and tv. He is a very interesting historical player.

optikeye: There's something about real film, and good optics..and NO digital color correction--that makes a good classic film.
I'm really sick of modern film makers using a teal-blue/green/orange in their films. It's very distracting to me.
They have color post production color tools and over use them and adjusting skin tones into Guido orange suntan...instead of filming the dang thing correctly the in the first place.

This:


Or This:


There is no substitute for a well shot movie. Computers should be used as a tool not a crutch. And a side note it really is amazing how well Hitchcocks movies still hold up. Ive got my DVR filled with a ton of his movies. Even his worst films have something great by him.
 
2013-03-04 07:56:52 AM  
I'm hoping Verne Troyer reprises the role.
 
2013-03-04 08:04:27 AM  
Seen it...

i951.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-04 08:08:56 AM  

Seth'n'Spectrum: When was the last time mainstream Hollywood did a Napoleon biopic? Considering that Napoleon functioned in the political and mass cultural psyche much the same way as Hitler did in the nineteenth century, it's funny how far removed we are from his time now. Probably something to do with the twentieth century eclipsing the prior one in brutality.


The last great one was the silent French epic in the 1910s, which survives in a fragmentary form.

The problem is that the subject is too large for a film, and possibly, for film in general.  The reason Kubrick could never get his movie made was that the budget was always too high and the story too complex.

The art critic Robert Hughes once wanted to write a biography of Leonardo da Vinci.  He spent several years working on it, traveling the world and doing research.  He eventually scrapped the project, and admitted that there was no way one man could have mastered everything you needed to know to -art, architecture, ballistics, town planning, fortifications, human anatomy, perspective, color theory, etc- that you'd need to know to be able to write the book.  Napoleon was almost as complex.

And drawing a parallel between Napoleon and Hitler is exceedingly simple-minded.
 
2013-03-04 08:42:14 AM  

Carth: He was 5'7" you're right. A lot of the confusion from his height comes from the french using Mesures Usuelles during the time instead of metric. It was close enough so when the British saw 1.575 (5'2" ) they figured it was metric making him very short. That along with an improper height listed on his autopsy and you have a nearly 200 year old urban legend.


Thanks for the lowdown.
 
mhd
2013-03-04 08:58:32 AM  

Carth: That along with an improper height listed on his autopsy and you have a nearly 200 year old urban legend.


Being called "Le Petit Corporal" certainly didn't help either.
 
2013-03-04 09:53:03 AM  
i.chzbgr.com
 
2013-03-04 10:12:06 AM  

mrmyxolodian: [i.chzbgr.com image 500x412]


The funny this is that through the 1970s, Kubrick's choice for the role was Jack Nicholson, a close friend of DeVito's.
 
2013-03-04 10:37:36 AM  
Spielberg is to Kubrick as a lightning bug is to a lightning bolt.  Just let the guy rest in peace.
 
2013-03-04 10:43:21 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: NAPOLEON WASN'T SHORT GODDAMMIT.


www.alicia-logic.com
 
2013-03-04 10:54:21 AM  
I expect it to bomb like a pile of Dynamite.
 
2013-03-04 11:03:08 AM  

serial_crusher: I would love to see his take on the Ziggy Piggy scene.


Forget it. Spielberg didn't include the San Dimas speech in Lincoln, he's not going to include that either.
 
2013-03-04 11:12:26 AM  

dickfreckle: dickfreckle: Anyway, Spielberg seldom farks up. How bad can this be? Even as a mini-series?

Sorry to quote myself, but I forgot about AI (for the two people who don't know, it was a Kubrcik project taken over by homeboy here). That one, eh, wasn't so good. But I think we judge the film based on Kubrick standards, which isn't fair. I enjoyed the film but missed the things Kubrcik would have added.

Still, we should give this series a chance.


Kubrick had intended for Spielberg to direct AI, saying that the film was cliser to Spielberg's sensibilities as a dirctor than his own. After Kubrick's death, Spielberg was reluctant to continue with the project until Kubrick's widow, Christianne Kubrick, and his brother in law/producer, Jan Harlan, asked him to.

And the ending which people insisted that Spielberg tacked on was Kubrick's. Ending that movie with the kid trapped underneath the ferris wheel would have been stupid.

/great movie
//not trolling in the slightest
///flame away
 
2013-03-04 11:21:27 AM  

Carth: dickfreckle: Lionel Mandrake: NAPOLEON WASN'T SHORT GODDAMMIT.

OK, I got that out of my system, now let me say that this could be really sweet.

As much as I like Barry Lyndon, a Kubrick treatment of Napoleon would have been epic.

And on an cool final note, "Kubrick" is in my spell-checker.

Yup.I think he was 5-7 or somewhere in that range (not short for the time). The Napoleon-is-short history comes mostly from his deliberate surrounding of himself by guards that were taller. Whenever I hear "Napoleon complex" uttered I want to choke the person saying it. Hell, my dad was 5-7. Somehow I got lucky at 5-11. Possibly the milkman.

Anyway, Spielberg seldom farks up. How bad can this be? Even as a mini-series?

He was 5'7" you're right. A lot of the confusion from his height comes from the french using Mesures Usuelles during the time instead of metric. It was close enough so when the British saw 1.575 (5'2" ) they figured it was metric making him very short. That along with an improper height listed on his autopsy and you have a nearly 200 year old urban legend.


Exactly.  He was actually tall for the age.  The average Frenchman was 5'5"  But (IIRC) the noble class (to which Napoleon belonged - distantly), thanks to generations of good and plentiful food, and not having to do backbreaking work all day every day, was taller than average (don't remember how tall exactly), making Napoleon slightly shorter than them.  It may have been a source of ridicule among the swells, along with his thick Corsican accent.
 
2013-03-04 11:24:09 AM  

optikeye: TheXerox: I wish Spielberg the best of luck with this. Kubrick had an entire farking room in his home filled floor to ceiling with books and notes about Napoleon and how he wanted his film to be made. Also, the filming, as mentioned earlier, should be done on film with the keen attention to the lenses and optics which Kubrick was known for. If Speilberg tries to pass this off as "based on" Kubrick's work then there will be hell to pay from Kubrick fans like myself.

Also, a CRM114 reference will need to be in there somewhere. Wouldn't feel right without it.

There's something about real film, and good optics..and NO digital color correction--that makes a good classic film.
I'm really sick of modern film makers using a teal-blue/green/orange in their films. It's very distracting to me.
They have color post production color tools and over use them and adjusting skin tones into Guido orange suntan...instead of filming the dang thing correctly the in the first place.

This:
[i.crackedcdn.com image 610x203]

Or This:
[oilersnation.com image 850x478]


Technicolor wasn't exactly naturalistic. It was just less arbitrary than the ability to endlessly tweak the color timing of each shot and picture element that DPs have now.
 
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