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2013-03-04 02:00:19 AM  
4 votes:
"I wish to take this opportunity to admit that there have been times that my sexual conduct has fallen below the standards expected of me as a priest, archbishop and cardinal,"

Not below the standards *I* expected!
2013-03-04 12:04:34 AM  
4 votes:

sno man: feckingmorons: You know there is no Pope right now.

this. and...

"I wish to take this opportunity to admit that there have been times that my sexual conduct has fallen below the standards expected of me as a priest, archbishop and cardinal,"

CELIBACY was hard to understand, really? REALLY?


He resigned on Feb 11, while Palpatine was still Pope.  And surprisingly, it looks like he didn't fark any kids, or at least that isn't what got out.  He just farked guys who wanted to be priests.
2013-03-03 11:58:31 PM  
4 votes:

Relatively Obscure: "To those I have offended, I apologize and ask forgiveness."

You didn't just offend them, dickhead.  You didn't say something rude at a party.


He thinks that as long as he asks for forgiveness, everything is OK.  And while that might make God happy - well, you raped some kids, but you asked for forgiveness, so everything is good - it's incredibly infuriating to anyone sane.
2013-03-04 09:54:12 AM  
3 votes:
i.imgur.com
2013-03-04 06:01:53 AM  
3 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: It's never too late to do the right thing, Ratzinger.


This guy has been hunting down sexual predators in the Church for a very long time. This is something he took it upon himself to do, not something he was forced to do.
2013-03-04 08:00:52 AM  
2 votes:
It's worth noting this jackass got Stonewall's 'Bigot Of The Year' award last year after 'its 10,000 members had voted "decisively" to give the title to O'Brien after he described gay marriage as a "grotesque subversion" of the traditions of marriage and likened it to slavery. The cardinal called it an "aberration" and claimed it might clear the way for polygamous marriages and would cause "further degeneration of society into immorality".' [source]
2013-03-04 07:07:16 AM  
2 votes:

Baron Harkonnen: AverageAmericanGuy: It's never too late to do the right thing, Ratzinger.

This guy has been hunting down sexual predators in the Church for a very long time. This is something he took it upon himself to do, not something he was forced to do.


Has the reputation rehabilitation of Benedict already started? That was quick.
2013-03-04 06:02:44 AM  
2 votes:
It would have been awesome if the then-Pope had cleaned house on his way out the door.  First he issues any changes necessary to do so under canon law, then he says "by my order as Supreme Pontiff, any cleric who has committed [insert list of crimes] is hereby dismissed from the clerical state and all rights, powers, offices, roles, and delegated power in the Church, and is excommunicated from the Church.  The power to modify the effects of this order on any person is expressly reserved to the Apostolic See."  I'm sure there's a Farker out there with a GED in canon law to clean this up,

Maybe there would be a little more elbow room at the conclave.
2013-03-04 05:40:45 AM  
2 votes:
They should just change the Holy Document of Vatican Law to allow priests to marry.
2013-03-04 05:32:27 AM  
2 votes:
As per usual, the word "defrocked" appeared nowhere in the article.
2013-03-03 10:47:16 PM  
2 votes:
"To those I have offended, I apologize and ask forgiveness."

You didn't just offend them, dickhead.  You didn't say something rude at a party.
2013-03-04 09:35:16 AM  
1 votes:
Grungehamster:

To play devil's advocate, it doesn't say "make sure your congregations know that priests are above secular law and you damn your soul to hell for questioning them." It's hard to read it saying anthing at all; it was in Italian, and even translated it is still full of legalese.

You can read ithere. From my understanding it basically says that if the bishop catches wind of sexual abuse (or desecration of the Eucarist) this is to be reported to the Vatican for a proper hearing, and that these cases are subject to pontifical secret.


That still comes across the same way to me.  Law of the land means local law.  You are held to the laws of Wala Wala Washington if that is where you robbed a bank.  If I get caught by a church member doing what these guy's have been up to, I will be reported to the police here.  Then a meeting with the Elder Priesthood will determine if I am to be removed from Church.  Not whisk me to another place in the world where the victim cannot be satisfied that justice was carried out.  That may not be 'legalese' for above the law, but that sure is going around the law.  The Vatican is not proper law in the US, nor is it proper law in any place in the world outside the Vatican.  The US has the policy that US citizens face the laws of the place they committed the crime, as it should be.  For a church to declare itself Christian it should first refer to the rules laid down by Christ, not some other document.  Christ stopped one of his Apostles from fighting for His safety, because to fight for Jesus' protection didn't just mean he would not have been sacrificed but also it is sinful to fight local law by force.
2013-03-04 09:31:53 AM  
1 votes:

TopoGigo: As per usual, the word "defrocked" appeared nowhere in the article.


This.
2013-03-04 09:12:42 AM  
1 votes:
And to further clarify: the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops created the Charter for the Protection of Children and Young People in 2002, which required reporting allegations to proper authorities. I was just taking issue with the "Ratzinger was a champion of taking down child molesters" claim; yes, he did take the issue of sex abuse head on, but he did so in a way that looks more like a CYA move for the church itself than an actual attempt to uncover sex offenses.
2013-03-04 09:05:32 AM  
1 votes:

lack of warmth: Grungehamster: Baron Harkonnen: AverageAmericanGuy: It's never too late to do the right thing, Ratzinger.

This guy has been hunting down sexual predators in the Church for a very long time. This is something he took it upon himself to do, not something he was forced to do.

Define "hunting down sexual preditors". Yes, Benedict XVI personally asked John Paul II to redirect all sexual abuse by priest cases to his office at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith back in 2001. However, one of his first acts was to send out a letter to every bishop on 5/18/2001 instructing them that while sexual molestation is a sin it is also sinful to contact local authorities to report lapses of moral judgement on the part of priests, instead saying all such crimes should be reported to his office and that they would handle the matter appropriately. Some people see it as him taking ownership of the issue, while other people see it as intentionally encouraging the coverup of sexual abuse cases by centralizing response to protect those priests who did it. Nobody can point to any cases where someone was defrocked before a secular source revealed that abuse was happening so far as I know.

WHAT!  I guess the Catholic church has officially removed themselves from true teachings of Christ.  Christian beliefs are very clear, the law of the land is to be obeyed.  We teach that even if it is a higher priesthood man disobeys a law, he is to be turned in to the authorities.  It is stated in the scriptures.  Just yesterday we were discussing military service since we were told not to fight and kill.  We are not to enlist, but if drafted we go and if the reason for the war is wrong, then the sin is on the government not the soldier following orders.  The stuff about the Catholic priest is definitely news to me, but I never thought they took an official stance to call busting a criminal a sin.  That is telling the victims, as they are still pulling up their pants, you can't talk because you'll be put to death for ever.  Those guys really are just making up their own rules.  They have something in common with Brigham Young.


To play devil's advocate, it doesn't say "make sure your congregations know that priests are above secular law and you damn your soul to hell for questioning them." It's hard to read it saying anthing at all; it was in Italian, and even translated it is still full of legalese.

You can read it here. From my understanding it basically says that if the bishop catches wind of sexual abuse (or desecration of the Eucarist) this is to be reported to the Vatican for a proper hearing, and that these cases are subject to pontifical secret.
2013-03-04 08:35:55 AM  
1 votes:

Bio-nic: If the catholic church would eliminate the vows as requirements for priests/nuns I honestly think 80 - 90% of this would be fixed.  The other 10% would be in jail.... but most of the problem would be fixed.


Doubt it.   There's no vow of celibacy required to become a school teacher, and we have a dozen new teachers a month helping themselves to some forbidden underage naughtiness.  As far as sheer numbers of perpetrators, gradeschool teachers have priests beat by a country mile.  This wouldsuggest that a vow of celibacy is not what turns one into a molester.
2013-03-04 08:32:01 AM  
1 votes:
CSB

One of my familiy members, a few years back, asked an older Jesuit (friend of the family) how many priests in the Catholic Church are gay.

"Seventy to eighty percent."

/CSB

The Catholic Church will survive, but not as it is today.
2013-03-04 08:14:10 AM  
1 votes:
This is just the beginning. If you think the Pope resigned for "health reasons" I've got a bridge to sell you. The Vatican is one big sausage fest, with sausages going in and out of various body openings constantly.
2013-03-04 08:10:30 AM  
1 votes:

Baron Harkonnen: AverageAmericanGuy: It's never too late to do the right thing, Ratzinger.

This guy has been hunting down sexual predators in the Church for a very long time. This is something he took it upon himself to do, not something he was forced to do.


Define "hunting down sexual preditors". Yes, Benedict XVI personally asked John Paul II to redirect all sexual abuse by priest cases to his office at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith back in 2001. However, one of his first acts was to send out a letter to every bishop on 5/18/2001 instructing them that while sexual molestation is a sin it is also sinful to contact local authorities to report lapses of moral judgement on the part of priests, instead saying all such crimes should be reported to his office and that they would handle the matter appropriately. Some people see it as him taking ownership of the issue, while other people see it as intentionally encouraging the coverup of sexual abuse cases by centralizing response to protect those priests who did it. Nobody can point to any cases where someone was defrocked before a secular source revealed that abuse was happening so far as I know.
2013-03-04 07:49:19 AM  
1 votes:
GAT_00:
He resigned on Feb 11, while Palpatine was still Pope.

FTFA:
O'Brien told Pope Benedict XVI in November that he would resign effective his upcoming birthday, on March 17. But Benedict decided to make the resignation effective immediately in light of the pope's imminent resignation, the Scottish Catholic Media Office said.

So, Popo knew about this for three months, and is just now acting on it. Is he looking to be the new head coach for Penn State or something?
2013-03-04 07:46:34 AM  
1 votes:

Baron Harkonnen: AverageAmericanGuy: It's never too late to do the right thing, Ratzinger.

This guy has been hunting down sexual predators in the Church for a very long time. This is something he took it upon himself to do, not something he was forced to do.


Oh, you'd better have a citation for that one
2013-03-04 06:10:30 AM  
1 votes:
What the hell does "inappropriate behavior" mean? Did he proposition other priests, did he have consensual sex with them or did he actually sexually abuse them?

If it's the first two; meh. It's pretty shady because he's in a position of power over them, but it's about a billion times less wrong than child abuse.
2013-03-04 05:53:06 AM  
1 votes:
"In recent days certain allegations which have been made against me have become public. Initially, their anonymous and non-specific nature led me to contest them," O'Brien said

Oh wait, you me, THOSE homosexual advances? Thank you for the clarification. I just wasn't certain which homosexual advances you were talking about when you first said that I was hitting on priest. There were just so many, it's hard to keep them all straight.
2013-03-04 05:40:08 AM  
1 votes:
Better to be dismissed as a homosexual than prosecuted as a child molestor.
Time for this guy to disappear.
2013-03-04 05:09:12 AM  
1 votes:
His problem is that his "sexual conduct" appears to have been confined to other adults. Had it been kids, the Church would have been fine with it.
2013-03-04 12:00:13 AM  
1 votes:

feckingmorons: You know there is no Pope right now.


this. and...

"I wish to take this opportunity to admit that there have been times that my sexual conduct has fallen below the standards expected of me as a priest, archbishop and cardinal,"

CELIBACY was hard to understand, really? REALLY?
 
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