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2013-03-03 10:39:50 PM
Wow, the judge was so fearful he got a gun out of storage and bought an alarm.

I have an alarm, and I keep my gun at the bedside, not in storage. It is nice to see the judge can live like the rest of us.
 
2013-03-03 10:48:49 PM
F*ck the police judiciary!
 
2013-03-03 11:05:09 PM
It shouldn't be a crime to mock a judge, they're not some sort of special breed of superhero saints or anything, just lawyers after all, but the guy does sound incredibly stupid if he thinks he can make threats in writing and it's all OK.  Sometimes you have to accept that being a moron can have consequences.
 
2013-03-03 11:52:23 PM
...his threat was to expose the judge to "hatred, contempt, disgrace or ridicule."

That's not an actual threat by any stretch of the imagination.

If it isn't hate speech encouraging violence or a death threat it's free political speech.

Two years for saying mean things about a judge on the internet is bullshiat.

Free Daniel Brewington. Sooner better than later here.
 
2013-03-03 11:57:42 PM
Just who we need on the bench: thin-skinned paranoiacs!
 
2013-03-04 12:06:56 AM

Spiralmonkey: It shouldn't be a crime to mock a judge, they're not some sort of special breed of superhero saints or anything, just lawyers after all, but the guy does sound incredibly stupid if he thinks he can make threats in writing and it's all OK.  Sometimes you have to accept that being a moron can have consequences.


I mock the judge that farked up my assault case all the time.. but he drank himself to death shortly after being caught for his 4th DUI .. so no one cares.
 
2013-03-04 12:37:06 AM

feckingmorons: Wow, the judge was so fearful he got a gun out of storage and bought an alarm.

I have an alarm, and I keep my gun at the bedside, not in storage. It is nice to see the judge can live like the rest of us.


You think that's how "the rest of us" live?
 
2013-03-04 12:43:20 AM
Yeah this guy should probably be freed. If only so Tom Corbett doesn't need get any more ideas.
 
2013-03-04 01:27:46 AM

Lionel Mandrake: You think that's how "the rest of us" live?


Well, I don't have an alarm, but I do keep a gun in my nightstand next to my bed. So maybe you shouldn't try speaking for "the rest of us"?
 
2013-03-04 01:34:15 AM

Pokey.Clyde: Lionel Mandrake: You think that's how "the rest of us" live?

Well, I don't have an alarm, but I do keep a gun in my nightstand next to my bed. So maybe you shouldn't try speaking for "the rest of us"?


Maybe YOU shouldn't be speaking for "the rest of us" either.
 
2013-03-04 02:28:16 AM
Mmmmm ... I got an alarm system and guns because I'm concerned about robbery along with dealing with nitwits who may not like the Obama stickers on my car. Plan to get my CCW too here in Alabama.

I'm not too concerned as I'm a better shot than most while relatively steady under fire.

/Been there, done that.
 
2013-03-04 02:40:58 AM

Lionel Mandrake: feckingmorons: Wow, the judge was so fearful he got a gun out of storage and bought an alarm.

I have an alarm, and I keep my gun at the bedside, not in storage. It is nice to see the judge can live like the rest of us.

You think that's how "the rest of us" live?


Most people with any means have a gun and an alarm system in the US.

In other countries, like Japan where I live, they have bats and wooden swords as well as the alarm systems.

The judge "having" to get an alarm system is like taking your rich uncle, 55 years of age with as many millions in net worth, down to get his first driver's license. Getting the gun out of storage is just something you can do if you own a gun. Call it an option. No one's making you go dig it out of the storage locker, especially not with a police protection detail on you.

This judge may indeed have a libel case with the child molester stuff and the two years' worth of emails I'm not privy to, but the evidence in this article suggests he's a trust fund kiddie who never actually had any bad experiences in life. If you've ever been robbed, you have an alarm system and a weapon already.
 
2013-03-04 04:15:55 AM

Pokey.Clyde: Lionel Mandrake: You think that's how "the rest of us" live?

Well, I don't have an alarm, but I do keep a gun in my nightstand next to my bed. So maybe you shouldn't try speaking for "the rest of us"?


Okey Dokey Pokey
 
2013-03-04 04:42:57 AM
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"I think that judge let him off easy."
 
2013-03-04 04:56:55 AM
Oh, he's white. No wonder he's got so much political support.
 
2013-03-04 05:14:34 AM

Pokey.Clyde: Lionel Mandrake: You think that's how "the rest of us" live?

Well, I don't have an alarm, but I do keep a gun in my nightstand next to my bed. So maybe you shouldn't try speaking for "the rest of us"?


The funny thing is, no one asked.  Tough guy.
 
2013-03-04 05:34:13 AM
Talk about burying the lede...
 
2013-03-04 05:34:16 AM
Slander, libel, and personal threats can be grounds for a lawsuit. AFAIK, Judges are not a protected class.

/IANAL, but I'll put my money on Volokh
 
2013-03-04 05:35:33 AM

Spiralmonkey: It shouldn't be a crime to mock a judge, they're not some sort of special breed of superhero saints or anything, just lawyers after all, but the guy does sound incredibly stupid if he thinks he can make threats in writing and it's all OK.  Sometimes you have to accept that being a moron can have consequences.


It's not a crime to mock a judge.  It's apparently a crime to mock a frightened judge.

/ Never frighten people in power
// The difficult part is that they scare easy
/// For safety's sake, you're better off not even talking about your superiors
 
2013-03-04 05:39:47 AM
Jesus H. Only in Fark can you find a free speech thread turning into yet another gun thread.

I'm pretty sure what "feckingmorons" meant by "like the rest of us" was that us normal people probably aren't privy to extra security and a cop who will show up within 30 seconds of a phone call.
 
2013-03-04 05:40:32 AM
Wait, did this guy rant on public forums, or did he send emails directly to the Judge in question?  The comparison to Paine and the Pamphleteers and the forum of his time bit seems to indicate message boards or some such, but how would there then be two years of emails in evidence?  Unless they're "I emailed myself a copy of this thread / post so I could keep a copy of it" emails.

If there were both, I'd like a clear distinction on what sort of content was in what manner of communication, and how each is being enterpreted in these charges.  Even if the threats were low-end, if he emailed them directly to the judge a-la "I'm gonna do such and such to you" then yeah, that's threatening a public official.

Of course, I'm not a big fan of "cause someone to feel threatened" style legislation because I cause some people to feel threatened simply by walking into a room.
 
2013-03-04 05:43:43 AM

TerminalEchoes: Jesus H. Only in Fark can you find a free speech thread turning into yet another gun thread.

I'm pretty sure what "feckingmorons" meant by "like the rest of us" was that us normal people probably aren't privy to extra security and a cop who will show up within 30 seconds of a phone call. be there already.

 
2013-03-04 05:53:28 AM
AirForceVet:
I'm not too concerned as I'm a better shot than most while relatively steady under fire.

That's easy enough to say, but it's just not something you can practice.  When the pillows are flying and brave men lay shattered on the ground in piles of feathers... It's just not... it's...
I'm sorry, I need a moment.
 
2013-03-04 06:05:32 AM

doglover: Lionel Mandrake: feckingmorons: Wow, the judge was so fearful he got a gun out of storage and bought an alarm.

I have an alarm, and I keep my gun at the bedside, not in storage. It is nice to see the judge can live like the rest of us.

You think that's how "the rest of us" live?

Most people with any means have a gun and an alarm system in the US.

In other countries, like Japan where I live, they have bats and wooden swords as well as the alarm systems.

The judge "having" to get an alarm system is like taking your rich uncle, 55 years of age with as many millions in net worth, down to get his first driver's license. Getting the gun out of storage is just something you can do if you own a gun. Call it an option. No one's making you go dig it out of the storage locker, especially not with a police protection detail on you.

This judge may indeed have a libel case with the child molester stuff and the two years' worth of emails I'm not privy to, but the evidence in this article suggests he's a trust fund kiddie who never actually had any bad experiences in life. If you've ever been robbed, you have an alarm system and a weapon already.


According to my rigorous five seconds of internet "research", only 32% of American households own a gun. I'm going to guess a good chunk of those are people that just have a hunting rifle or two. I guess most people aren't so scared of their own shadow that they need to sleep with a handgun under the pillow. But I guess you can keep telling yourself that is how most other people live if it makes you feel better about your security blanket.
 
2013-03-04 06:10:19 AM

The Ghost of Tom Ace: Pokey.Clyde: Lionel Mandrake: You think that's how "the rest of us" live?

Well, I don't have an alarm, but I do keep a gun in my nightstand next to my bed. So maybe you shouldn't try speaking for "the rest of us"?

The funny thing is, no one asked.  Tough guy.




Actually, the initial question was about fecking's opinion on how he thinks people live. Ask for people's opinions and you'll get answers. Free speech kinda works like that.

Many if not most houses have guns. I'd be willing to wager that most home owners lock their doors or have other security measures in place these days.
Someone who never thought about their personal security would seem unusual.

/judges get hated on and sometimes attacked because of their line of work.
/He finally did something that should have been a prudent first step after receiving this title?
/No sympathy points for that.
 
2013-03-04 06:16:11 AM

Lionel Mandrake: feckingmorons: Wow, the judge was so fearful he got a gun out of storage and bought an alarm.

I have an alarm, and I keep my gun at the bedside, not in storage. It is nice to see the judge can live like the rest of us.

You think that's how "the rest of us" live?


Paranoid rightwingers have no idea how the vast majority of Americans live. Most of us don't pee on ourselves like a chihuahua whenever we see a brown person or hear the word Muslin.
 
2013-03-04 06:21:00 AM
without getting to read these emails we really don't know the whole farking story, so there's that.
 
2013-03-04 06:26:05 AM

one small post for man: doglover: Lionel Mandrake: feckingmorons: Wow, the judge was so fearful he got a gun out of storage and bought an alarm.

I have an alarm, and I keep my gun at the bedside, not in storage. It is nice to see the judge can live like the rest of us.

You think that's how "the rest of us" live?

Most people with any means have a gun and an alarm system in the US.

In other countries, like Japan where I live, they have bats and wooden swords as well as the alarm systems.

The judge "having" to get an alarm system is like taking your rich uncle, 55 years of age with as many millions in net worth, down to get his first driver's license. Getting the gun out of storage is just something you can do if you own a gun. Call it an option. No one's making you go dig it out of the storage locker, especially not with a police protection detail on you.

This judge may indeed have a libel case with the child molester stuff and the two years' worth of emails I'm not privy to, but the evidence in this article suggests he's a trust fund kiddie who never actually had any bad experiences in life. If you've ever been robbed, you have an alarm system and a weapon already.

According to my rigorous five seconds of internet "research", only 32% of American households own a gun. I'm going to guess a good chunk of those are people that just have a hunting rifle or two. I guess most people aren't so scared of their own shadow that they need to sleep with a handgun under the pillow. But I guess you can keep telling yourself that is how most other people live if it makes you feel better about your security blanket.


Project much?

I said weapon. Guns are small percentage of that category. I don't anyone who doesn't have a weapon on hand, and the handful of people who refuse to call a spade a spade lie to themselves that the 9 iron in their bedroom closet is because one day they're gonna start golfing, no really.
 
2013-03-04 06:28:01 AM

KrispyKritter: without getting to read these emails we really don't know the whole farking story, so there's that.


Yes, and was this guy ranting on a public forum or blog, or was he just emailing the judge? And were the emails of the "I hate you and I hope you die" variety, or more specific as to how many pieces he was going to cut the judge into after skinning him alive?

I mean, if they were seriously threatening and something a reasonable person would genuinely feel fear upon reading, then sure, jail him. But if the judge is just being a weenie and looking for sympathy because oo how sad he had to get an alarm for his house--then no.
 
2013-03-04 06:38:21 AM

doglover: Lionel Mandrake: feckingmorons: Wow, the judge was so fearful he got a gun out of storage and bought an alarm.

I have an alarm, and I keep my gun at the bedside, not in storage. It is nice to see the judge can live like the rest of us.

You think that's how "the rest of us" live?

Most people with any means have a gun and an alarm system in the US.

In other countries, like Japan where I live, they have bats and wooden swords as well as the alarm systems.

The judge "having" to get an alarm system is like taking your rich uncle, 55 years of age with as many millions in net worth, down to get his first driver's license. Getting the gun out of storage is just something you can do if you own a gun. Call it an option. No one's making you go dig it out of the storage locker, especially not with a police protection detail on you.

This judge may indeed have a libel case with the child molester stuff and the two years' worth of emails I'm not privy to, but the evidence in this article suggests he's a trust fund kiddie who never actually had any bad experiences in life. If you've ever been robbed, you have an alarm system and a weapon already.


Dude.....what kind of people do you know? Most people I know don't have a gun. Of those that do, most have them for hunting, and keep them locked up. The few who keep them around for 'defense' are criminals and general scumbags who are either hiding illegal stuff or who have done stupid ass things to piss people off including threatening them...and let's just say those aren't my friends, more my in-laws and their friends. Basically they wouldn't 'need' a gun anymore than they 'need' their pitbulls if they weren't pants on head stupid people who fail at life and do things that put themselves in danger in the first place.

Now, I'm not saying that all people who keep weapons around for self-defense are like that. I don't live in a crime ridden place, so there might be other areas where it makes sense and is more common. But I don't know any 'normal' people who do, so I don't think it's a standard thing everywhere.
 
2013-03-04 06:46:45 AM

ambercat:
Now, I'm not saying that all people who keep weapons around for self-defense are like that. I don't live in a crime ridden place, so there might be other areas where it makes sense and is more common. But ...


You got a dictionary, look up the definition of weapon. Some people use weapon and gun interchangeably. Those people are making a grave logical error in their judgement. Long before gunpowder, sticks and stones broke bones. And I don't anyone who doesn't have SOMETHING they keep around just in case.
 
2013-03-04 06:53:48 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Pokey.Clyde: Lionel Mandrake: You think that's how "the rest of us" live?

Well, I don't have an alarm, but I do keep a gun in my nightstand next to my bed. So maybe you shouldn't try speaking for "the rest of us"?

Maybe YOU shouldn't be speaking for "the rest of us" either.


All three of you, stop talking for the rest of us! We've had enough!
 
2013-03-04 07:00:39 AM

ambercat: Now, I'm not saying that all people who keep weapons around for self-defense are like that. I don't live in a crime ridden place, so there might be other areas where it makes sense and is more common. But I don't know any 'normal' people who do, so I don't think it's a standard thing everywhere.


When I lived in the US (Tucson, AZ), about half the people I know had at least one gun. These were all "normal" people[1], not shady criminals or people otherwise up to legally-dubious things. While they didn't keep guns around for protection against a specific threat, it wasn't uncommon for my friends to have a handgun in a GunVault in the bedroom.The US is a remarkably diverse place, so what's common in one area or social circle might be less so elsewhere.[1] As "normal" as average physics/astronomy university undergrads, grad students, and professors/staff can be. Sure, a few of my friends were police officers and/or competitive shooters, but most were just average people.
 
2013-03-04 07:14:56 AM
In reading a bit of what this guy has posted about his divorce, people should be pissed about idiots becoming empowered in our legal system (judges/prosecutors). But that won't ever happen as long as positions on hot-button issues is what gets people appointed/elected, not smarts.
 
2013-03-04 07:15:13 AM
I sleep with my gun in my pants. Because once you get it warmed up a little it feels ~awesome~
 
2013-03-04 07:16:48 AM
Has anyone brought up guns yet?
 
2013-03-04 07:17:04 AM
Brewington was convicted in 2011 of perjury, intimidating a judge and attempting to obstruct justice -- with the attorney general's office successfully arguing that his threat was to expose the judge to "hatred, contempt, disgrace or ridicule."
...
The appeals court argued that some of Brewington's claims against Judge James D. Humphrey were false. It also argued their truthfulness were not necessarily relevant to prosecution because the harm, which in this case was striking fear in the victim, occurred "whether the publicized conduct is true or false," according to Reason magazine.


This is one of the most blatantly unconstitutional things I've ever seen.  And I've seen a lot.
 
2013-03-04 07:18:25 AM
I didn't read the article, but I bet I can tell you which way this judge leans politically.
 
2013-03-04 07:19:23 AM

doglover: You got a dictionary, look up the definition of weapon. Some people use weapon and gun interchangeably. Those people are making a grave logical error in their judgement. Long before gunpowder, sticks and stones broke bones. And I don't anyone who doesn't have SOMETHING they keep around just in case.


I'm guessing that you're saying that you don't know anyone who doesn't have something that they keep around for home defense.

REALLY?

You're profile says you live in Tokyo. Are they really that scared over there?
 
2013-03-04 07:19:29 AM

doglover: Lionel Mandrake: feckingmorons: Wow, the judge was so fearful he got a gun out of storage and bought an alarm.

I have an alarm, and I keep my gun at the bedside, not in storage. It is nice to see the judge can live like the rest of us.

You think that's how "the rest of us" live?

Most people with any means have a gun and an alarm system in the US.


Citation needed
 
2013-03-04 07:23:44 AM
All court proceedings should be video and audio recorded. That way if there is a judge or prosecutor that is doing wrong or just plain dumb, that person can be outed for his wrongdoing and hopefully removed from his position.

Maybe it should be required for all those getting married to draw up a contract that states how things will be handled if they separate. It could curtail a lot of these courtroom wranglings (or maybe they'd just fight over that contract).
 
2013-03-04 07:30:29 AM

Without Fail: You're profile says you live in Tokyo. Are they really that scared over there?


Yes and no.

Japan in general is exceedingly safe.

However it achieves this safety with a an overbearing paranoia. Cops and security people routinely march around batons out, ready to roll, even though the last violent attack on a cop probably happened during a bombing raid in WW2. Walls surround every home and often they're topped with spiked fences or even shards of broken glass. Young children wear rip-cord sirens and are ushered to and from school by a small army of volunteer crossing guards. Every night at 5pm, music plays over public loudspeakers telling under-age kids to go home. Most public buildings, notably schools, are armed with pole weapons that are specially designed to pin people to the floor. They even have drills where a student's father will bust in and shout toned down profanity and the staff take turns pinning him to the floor during school hours. Police have small stations EVERYWHERE.

So yeah, they ARE that paranoid. Japan's routine security makes America's best security look weak. Ironically they're one of the safer countries on the planet. I think it's mostly a chicken or the egg kinda deal. If you did to Oakland what Japan does to Tokyo, there would be no gangs.
 
2013-03-04 07:36:16 AM
He sounds like a ragemonster MRA dick.
 
2013-03-04 07:37:45 AM

doglover: So yeah, they ARE that paranoid. Japan's routine security makes America's best security look weak. Ironically they're one of the safer countries on the planet. I think it's mostly a chicken or the egg kinda deal. If you did to Oakland what Japan does to Tokyo, there would be no gangs.


But you'd still have Raiders fans.
 
2013-03-04 07:42:47 AM

doglover: So yeah, they ARE that paranoid. Japan's routine security makes America's best security look weak. Ironically they're one of the safer countries on the planet. I think it's mostly a chicken or the egg kinda deal. If you did to Oakland what Japan does to Tokyo, there would be no gangs.


I learned something this morning. FARK is educational!

I tease gun nuts because most of them have a gun "for defense", and then drive without seat-belts or ride without helmets.

I would carry if the odds said it made sense to do so.
 
2013-03-04 07:43:22 AM

Lionel Mandrake: Pokey.Clyde: Lionel Mandrake: You think that's how "the rest of us" live?

Well, I don't have an alarm, but I do keep a gun in my nightstand next to my bed. So maybe you shouldn't try speaking for "the rest of us"?

Okey Dokey Pokey


My alarm clock *is* a gun.

AND IT WILL BLOW YOUR HEAD OFF IF IT'S THREATENED.

STAND YOUR GROUND, EMERSON MODEL JK-27400. STAND YOUR GROUND.

*pew pew*
 
2013-03-04 07:44:04 AM

Karac: doglover: So yeah, they ARE that paranoid. Japan's routine security makes America's best security look weak. Ironically they're one of the safer countries on the planet. I think it's mostly a chicken or the egg kinda deal. If you did to Oakland what Japan does to Tokyo, there would be no gangs.

But you'd still have Raiders fans.


Meh. There's limits to everything.
 
2013-03-04 07:44:40 AM

Befuddled: All court proceedings should be video and audio recorded. That way if there is a judge or prosecutor that is doing wrong or just plain dumb, that person can be outed for his wrongdoing and hopefully removed from his position.


...we'll do that as soon as the cops stop destroying video evidence of their brutality.
 
2013-03-04 07:45:51 AM

doglover: Without Fail: You're profile says you live in Tokyo. Are they really that scared over there?

Yes and no.

Japan in general is exceedingly safe.

However it achieves this safety with a an overbearing paranoia. Cops and security people routinely march around batons out, ready to roll, even though the last violent attack on a cop probably happened during a bombing raid in WW2. Walls surround every home and often they're topped with spiked fences or even shards of broken glass. Young children wear rip-cord sirens and are ushered to and from school by a small army of volunteer crossing guards. Every night at 5pm, music plays over public loudspeakers telling under-age kids to go home. Most public buildings, notably schools, are armed with pole weapons that are specially designed to pin people to the floor. They even have drills where a student's father will bust in and shout toned down profanity and the staff take turns pinning him to the floor during school hours. Police have small stations EVERYWHERE.

So yeah, they ARE that paranoid. Japan's routine security makes America's best security look weak. Ironically they're one of the safer countries on the planet. I think it's mostly a chicken or the egg kinda deal. If you did to Oakland what Japan does to Tokyo, there would be no gangs.


Well, Oakland doesn't have to worry about Godzilla, so there's a pretty big difference.
 
2013-03-04 07:46:39 AM

Without Fail: doglover: So yeah, they ARE that paranoid. Japan's routine security makes America's best security look weak. Ironically they're one of the safer countries on the planet. I think it's mostly a chicken or the egg kinda deal. If you did to Oakland what Japan does to Tokyo, there would be no gangs.

I learned something this morning. FARK is educational!

I tease gun nuts because most of them have a gun "for defense", and then drive without seat-belts or ride without helmets.

I would carry if the odds said it made sense to do so.


Yeah but helmets totally destroy your peripheral vision, and I heard once about this guy who was thrown from his vehicle just before it went over a cliff. And he won the lottery that night.
 
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