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(LA Times)   911 dispatcher "Is there anybody that's willing to help this lady and not let her die?" Nurse at senior living center "Um, not at this time"   (latimesblogs.latimes.com) divider line 31
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2013-03-03 09:29:32 PM
9 votes:

octopied: Perhaps the patients there have DNR orders.

If you don't know what that is, it's for people who are viewed as so close to death that they have orders for  no CPR to be performed, as they want to die "naturally".


Thanks! Now can you explain a "BLT"?

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2013-03-03 09:27:56 PM
7 votes:
i.imgur.com
2013-03-03 09:16:59 PM
4 votes:
You guys busy privatizing your death panels down there?
2013-03-03 09:15:11 PM
4 votes:
Well if she didn't wanna die she shouldn't have gotten old!
2013-03-03 09:28:47 PM
3 votes:

ZeroCorpse: People don't become doctors or nurses, or join the medical profession at all these day because they want to help people and save lives. These days, they do it because they want lots of money.

It's a disgrace that we even use the words "nurse" and "doctor" to describe these greedy animals. They bring dishonor to the words.


Pfft. To the people of the Gamma Forests, the word "doctor" means "mighty warrior".
2013-03-03 11:58:57 PM
2 votes:
The most effective method is to perform CPR for a while, then have someone pull you off the patient as you scream and cry.  After a few seconds the patient will spontaneously take a huge breath, will be mostly recovered within an hour or two.

Also, why don't most nurses carry those Make Heart Go Now syringes with them at all times?  Just slam those suckers directly nto the heart and, bam, alive and kicking.
2013-03-03 10:06:34 PM
2 votes:
I got dibs on her chocolate pudding.
2013-03-03 09:47:03 PM
2 votes:
If we're ever going to bring the population down this kind of "heartless callousness" is exactly what we need.

Of course we could teach and encourage birth control in schools starting in 6th grade and make sure abortion is safe, legal and easily obtainable on demand for every pregnant female. Oh, and "doctor assisted suicide," "death with dignity" and/or "voluntary euthanasia" might help too.

But failing those common-sensical measures, yeah, let's stand idly by while somebody's granny keels over. Maybe we can herd everybody over 50 into death camps (starting of course with me after friday). "Boots on the ground" anywhere Islam runs rampant would help too. We might also use subliminal programming to encourage people to gun down strangers at shopping malls, theaters and (even better) elementary schools. After all if we're not going to limit births we should encourage deaths, right? "Viva la muerte!"

I remember when the world's population hit 3 billion, 4 billion people ago; I was entering puberty then. Now I'm almost 50 and you breeders STILL haven't learned restraint. God must love stupid people, He increases them exponentially. After all when we've picked this planet clean we can just move the rich & famous to another planet a few hundred light-years away and start the cycle all over again. AMIRITE?!?!?!!?

/ Drunk and cynical. And constipated.
2013-03-04 05:46:33 AM
1 votes:
Headed out on a call. Ill reply to your posts when I get back The more
2013-03-04 02:20:35 AM
1 votes:

Loucifer: I'm pretty sure CPR has never worked.


In fact, it just might be the greatest threat to human life that mankind has ever known...

...you know, based on the thread to this point.
2013-03-04 01:46:02 AM
1 votes:

Rik01: Sometimes, you have to make a judgment call. You have to determine what is more valuable: your job or a human life.


I'd  put it another way.  Which would make you feel better:  having a job, or having a memory of saving someone's life?

Hint:  nobody ever bought me a drink for having a job.
2013-03-04 01:05:19 AM
1 votes:
I'm pretty sure CPR has never worked.
2013-03-04 12:38:56 AM
1 votes:

The One True TheDavid: I'm waiting to see what BronyMedic says.


Me too. But my layperson thoughts on it (I have CPR certification but it's long expired) were ...I could see not doing chest compressions on someone in distress but still has a heartbeat who is elderly because you're going to pop a shiatload of ribs and potentially kill them. Assisted breathing however...I'd have done it. Especially since she did NOT have a DNR.

DNRs should be respected, though just through anecdotal accounts, it seems that the tendency is for it to be ignored and 'heroic' measures taken more often than someone is just left alone.

To my knowledge (and I could easily easily be wrong here) there's times where breathing alone is called for. I would think this would be one. Drowning is another. Other than that AFAIK, chest compress is most important (to the tune of Stayin' Alive).

And yeah, CPR usually fails. I don't know of anyone who's done it in an emergency situation where the person has survived (outside of a hospital or being an EMT). Everyone I know who has, the person died. Still...I'd rather try to help.

But when I took the class we were told repeatedly that chest compressions if done right, were gonna at a bare min. crack ribs. In someone injured, it could tear up their liver, puncture their lungs, etc. This shiat was hammered home in a 'be sure it's needed before you do it' way. In that you'd best be damned farking sure there's no heartbeat or respiration before you start cracking up their ribs, especially if they're old. We were also told (because the instructor was awesome) that odds were not good and if the person didn't make it...well, that was sadly the odds. Not to blame ourselves, better to help and try than do nothing. 5% chance is still a chance.

Anyhoo, looking forward to Brony and others who certainly know more than me on this shiat. :D

/has never done it except on a doll
/would like to keep it that way ideally
2013-03-03 11:59:12 PM
1 votes:

BuckTurgidson: Cyno01: Patient was breathing, CPR should not have been performed, 911 dispatchers are not medical personnel, non story.

And yeah, from my meager training, CPR on the elderly is not always the best idea, even on a healthy person if you do CPR right youre likely to break a rib or two. One thing i explicitly remember from training is to make sure youre doing compressions high enough on the patient, or youre likely to break the xiphoid process and cause internal bleeding. I remember that so well because the instructor kept saying regarding the possible internal hemorrhaging that it would "bleed like stink" and that was really funny for some reason.

CPR is not the panacea you see on television.

What about the magical defibberallator machine? That ALWAYS works, whether it's heart attack or poison or drowning or dyspepsia or whatever.


And it gives you an orgasm every time.
2013-03-03 11:56:00 PM
1 votes:

Cyno01: Patient was breathing, CPR should not have been performed, 911 dispatchers are not medical personnel, non story.

And yeah, from my meager training, CPR on the elderly is not always the best idea, even on a healthy person if you do CPR right youre likely to break a rib or two. One thing i explicitly remember from training is to make sure youre doing compressions high enough on the patient, or youre likely to break the xiphoid process and cause internal bleeding. I remember that so well because the instructor kept saying regarding the possible internal hemorrhaging that it would "bleed like stink" and that was really funny for some reason.

CPR is not the panacea you see on television.


What about the magical defibberallator machine? That ALWAYS works, whether it's heart attack or poison or drowning or dyspepsia or whatever.
2013-03-03 11:28:08 PM
1 votes:

DoctorCal: No modified lemon party?

Live, dang you!


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2013-03-03 10:20:13 PM
1 votes:
But what is a life when measured against a policy? I mean, let's be reasonable, people. It's a POLICY. Which word do you not understand?
2013-03-03 10:16:38 PM
1 votes:

Fell In Love With a Chair: djh0101010: The patient was breathing.  You only do CPR on a pulseless non-breather. CPR is not the right treatment for that situation.  Oxygen and maybe even to bag them, yes, but the nurse was completely correct not to start CPR on a breathing patient.

THIIIIISSSSSS
That was the first farking thing I thought when I read this article. Why in fark's name would you do CPR ON SOMEONE WHOSE HEART IS BEATING AND THEY ARE STILL BREATHING?
You DO NOT do chest compressions on someone whose heart is still beating!
You DO NOT do rescue breathing on someone who is still farking breathing on their own!

The funny part is, I haven't had a CPR course EVER and I farking know this!


That's odd, I've done CPR on a person who was breathing and had a heart beat. But I guess you would know better than those of us in emergency services
2013-03-03 10:03:34 PM
1 votes:

FarkinSneakyBastage: Can I please have the freedom to choose how and when I die and not rot to death in one of these depressing shiatholes they call a retirement community? That'd be great, thanks


Take up smoking.
2013-03-03 09:49:06 PM
1 votes:
I once was admitted to a hospital for what I thought would be 1 or 2 days. I was asked if I had a living will and did I want a dnr. I told them to keep me alive until my insurance was exhausted. I spent a month in that place and came out 60 lbs lighter and covered in bed sores..

Then I had to go back to that he'll hole and when they asked me the dnr question, I advised them to pull the plug immediately and OD me on morphine.

Life ain't that good.
2013-03-03 09:47:04 PM
1 votes:
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Dispatcher: "She could die."
Nurse: "Yeah, maybe..."
2013-03-03 09:44:17 PM
1 votes:
I smell attorneys.
Seas of Attorneys.
I hear their salivations.
The shuffling of papers.
Someone gunna get paid.
2013-03-03 09:28:54 PM
1 votes:
"She's yelling at me," she said of Halvorson, "and saying we have to have one of our residents perform CPR. I'm feeling stressed, and I'm not going to do that, make that call."


I hate everything about you.
2013-03-03 09:23:07 PM
1 votes:

octopied: Perhaps the patients there have DNR orders.

If you don't know what that is, it's for people who are viewed as so close to death that they have orders for  no CPR to be performed, as they want to die "naturally".


FTA:

The patient did not have a do-not-resuscitate order, according to KGET-TV.

Helps to read the article, eh?
2013-03-03 09:22:52 PM
1 votes:
FTA: Bayless' daughter told KGET that she was a nurse and was satisfied with her mother's care at Glenwood Gardens, the station reported.

IIIInteresting.
2013-03-03 09:22:34 PM
1 votes:
In fairness to the nurse:

"She's yelling at me," she said of Halvorson, "and saying we have to have one of our residents perform CPR. I'm feeling stressed, and I'm not going to do that, make that call."

Do you want the nurse to have a heart attack?
2013-03-03 09:22:01 PM
1 votes:
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2013-03-03 09:21:11 PM
1 votes:
People don't become doctors or nurses, or join the medical profession at all these day because they want to help people and save lives. These days, they do it because they want lots of money.

It's a disgrace that we even use the words "nurse" and "doctor" to describe these greedy animals. They bring dishonor to the words.
2013-03-03 09:20:45 PM
1 votes:
The patient was breathing.  You only do CPR on a pulseless non-breather.  CPR is not the right treatment for that situation.  Oxygen and maybe even to bag them, yes, but the nurse was completely correct not to start CPR on a breathing patient.
2013-03-03 09:20:12 PM
1 votes:
I'm going to sound cold here, but the woman was in her late 80s. Sometimes its just a person's time to go.

The operator sounds like a spaz, from the way she's portrayed in the article. "It's a human being" Yes, and human beings die all the time. You can't be Superman and save everyone all the time.
2013-03-03 09:16:41 PM
1 votes:
Saw that on the news today. The woman that called 911 was more concerned about following the rules (no CPR) and keeping her job than the life of another person. And she was a nurse. Pretty sad, though I guess it's easy to say when it's not me being fired.
 
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