Amos Quito: FTA: "When Halvorson asked the nurse if she was going to let the woman die, the nurse said, "That's why we called 911."So, YES, then?
ChrisDe: Saw that on the news today. The woman that called 911 was more concerned about following the rules (no CPR) and keeping her job than the life of another person. And she was a nurse. Pretty sad, though I guess it's easy to say when it's not me being fired.
Birnone: I wasn't aware that dispatchers could 'talk' you through CPR. I thought people got certified in that, taking classes and such.
AverageAmericanGuy: I'm going to sound cold here, but the woman was in her late 80s. Sometimes its just a person's time to go.The operator sounds like a spaz, from the way she's portrayed in the article. "It's a human being" Yes, and human beings die all the time. You can't be Superman and save everyone all the time.
octopied: Perhaps the patients there have DNR orders.If you don't know what that is, it's for people who are viewed as so close to death that they have orders for no CPR to be performed, as they want to die "naturally".
Lehk: as a nurse is there not a duty of care? She will be lucky if she does not go to jail
djh0101010: The patient was breathing. You only do CPR on a pulseless non-breather. CPR is not the right treatment for that situation. Oxygen and maybe even to bag them, yes, but the nurse was completely correct not to start CPR on a breathing patient.
AirForceVet: Why bother calling 911 in the first place?Guess I'll scratch that senior center off my list of retirement homes.
ZeroCorpse: People don't become doctors or nurses, or join the medical profession at all these day because they want to help people and save lives. These days, they do it because they want lots of money.It's a disgrace that we even use the words "nurse" and "doctor" to describe these greedy animals. They bring dishonor to the words.
FarkinSneakyBastage: Can I please have the freedom to choose how and when I die and not rot to death in one of these depressing shiatholes they call a retirement community? That'd be great, thanks
Person: Wouldn't have helped, the patient was 87 and CPR wasn't the appropriate treatment. The family is fine with the care she received, so this seems like manufactured outrage.
NotoriousFire: Person: Wouldn't have helped, the patient was 87 and CPR wasn't the appropriate treatment. The family is fine with the care she received, so this seems like manufactured outrage.Exactly. Nothing like fake outrage from all those who fail to read the entire article and connect logical thoughts. I'm sure we'll here hear about this on the news for the next week.
fusillade762: Lehk: as a nurse is there not a duty of care? She will be lucky if she does not go to jailI think only one state (Vermont?) has a law requiring people to give aid.My question is: why was the nurse even there??
Acravius: Here is CPR: 30 compressions 2 breaths, Repeat 5 times in approximately 2 minutes Assess patient for 10 seconds, listening/looking/feeling for pulse, breath or rise/fall in chest. If no change, resume CPR If AED is available then hook up AED, (Turn On, listen to instructions) Shock, as advised by AED After 3 shocks maximum Assess Patient, as before If no change Resume CPR 5 cycles per 2 minutes, repeat until more qualified personelle come on the scene.Good Samaritan Laws protect people who use reasonable actions in performing these duties, regardless of outcomes.So yes it could be instructed over the phone, and still be covered by the Good Samaritan Law.
WhoGAS: You don't do breaths any more.
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