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2013-03-03 11:18:05 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: escheff3: Oh my farking god, it's a culturally-understood figure of speech.  Get over yourself.

You do realize, of course, that the same bullshiat argument is made for things like flying the Confederate battle flag and using racial slurs, right?


But unlike Micks, people like miracles.

Wakka wakka wakka!
 
2013-03-03 11:21:44 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: skullkrusher: Benevolent Misanthrope: Marine1: chemical_angel: It was Medicine, not prayer? Odd ...

Cheesus: chemical_angel: It was Medicine, not prayer? Odd ...

Shush, it was definitely prayer.  God cured this kid, not "science".

/not sure why God created HIV, but whatev

FWIW, the Washington Post article gave this quote from Gay:

'In Mississippi, Gay gives the child a check-up every few months: "I just check for the virus and keep praying that it stays gone." '

/no one is debating that science led to this...

I beg to differ:

"That's a miracle," says Carlos del Rio, co-director of the Emory Center for AIDS Research and a board member at HIVMA (the HIV Medicine Association), who wasn't involved in the study.

Not science, not an unexpected outcome, not fine medical care... a "miracle".  A supernatural event.  There simply is not enough facepalm.

he might've been speaking metaphorically rather than claiming supernatural intercession... ya know, being a farking scientist and stuff.

Then, being a scientist, speaking on a matter of science, he should know better than to invoke a farking deity, even metaphorically.  But we as a society are so used to that kind of bullshiat, we don't even notice most of the time.


i224.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-03 11:23:02 PM  

doglover: Benevolent Misanthrope: escheff3: Oh my farking god, it's a culturally-understood figure of speech.  Get over yourself.

You do realize, of course, that the same bullshiat argument is made for things like flying the Confederate battle flag and using racial slurs, right?

But unlike Micks, people like miracles.

Wakka wakka wakka!


are you saying Micks arent people or that people don't like Micks?
 
2013-03-03 11:24:41 PM  

skullkrusher: doglover: Benevolent Misanthrope: escheff3: Oh my farking god, it's a culturally-understood figure of speech.  Get over yourself.

You do realize, of course, that the same bullshiat argument is made for things like flying the Confederate battle flag and using racial slurs, right?

But unlike Micks, people like miracles.

Wakka wakka wakka!

are you saying Micks arent people or that people don't like Micks?


You say it like they're mutually exclusive.
 
2013-03-03 11:25:54 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: skullkrusher: Benevolent Misanthrope: Marine1: chemical_angel: It was Medicine, not prayer? Odd ...

Cheesus: chemical_angel: It was Medicine, not prayer? Odd ...

Shush, it was definitely prayer.  God cured this kid, not "science".

/not sure why God created HIV, but whatev

FWIW, the Washington Post article gave this quote from Gay:

'In Mississippi, Gay gives the child a check-up every few months: "I just check for the virus and keep praying that it stays gone." '

/no one is debating that science led to this...

I beg to differ:

"That's a miracle," says Carlos del Rio, co-director of the Emory Center for AIDS Research and a board member at HIVMA (the HIV Medicine Association), who wasn't involved in the study.

Not science, not an unexpected outcome, not fine medical care... a "miracle".  A supernatural event.  There simply is not enough facepalm.

he might've been speaking metaphorically rather than claiming supernatural intercession... ya know, being a farking scientist and stuff.

Then, being a scientist, speaking on a matter of science, he should know better than to invoke a farking deity, even metaphorically.  But we as a society are so used to that kind of bullshiat, we don't even notice most of the time.


Regardless of his beliefs, he's probably doing more than you are to cure a disease that has killed millions.
 
2013-03-03 11:28:44 PM  
Her coont mother sounds like a real winner.
 
2013-03-03 11:35:04 PM  

Marine1: Benevolent Misanthrope: skullkrusher: Benevolent Misanthrope: Marine1: chemical_angel: It was Medicine, not prayer? Odd ...

Cheesus: chemical_angel: It was Medicine, not prayer? Odd ...

Shush, it was definitely prayer.  God cured this kid, not "science".

/not sure why God created HIV, but whatev

FWIW, the Washington Post article gave this quote from Gay:

'In Mississippi, Gay gives the child a check-up every few months: "I just check for the virus and keep praying that it stays gone." '

/no one is debating that science led to this...

I beg to differ:

"That's a miracle," says Carlos del Rio, co-director of the Emory Center for AIDS Research and a board member at HIVMA (the HIV Medicine Association), who wasn't involved in the study.

Not science, not an unexpected outcome, not fine medical care... a "miracle".  A supernatural event.  There simply is not enough facepalm.

he might've been speaking metaphorically rather than claiming supernatural intercession... ya know, being a farking scientist and stuff.

Then, being a scientist, speaking on a matter of science, he should know better than to invoke a farking deity, even metaphorically.  But we as a society are so used to that kind of bullshiat, we don't even notice most of the time.

Regardless of his beliefs, he's probably doing more than you are to cure a disease that has killed millions.


And I'm probably doing more to fight illteracy (and the social problems that come with an uneducated populace) than he is.  What's your point?
 
2013-03-03 11:35:05 PM  

skullkrusher: doglover: Benevolent Misanthrope: escheff3: Oh my farking god, it's a culturally-understood figure of speech.  Get over yourself.

You do realize, of course, that the same bullshiat argument is made for things like flying the Confederate battle flag and using racial slurs, right?

But unlike Micks, people like miracles.

Wakka wakka wakka!

are you saying Micks arent people or that people don't like Micks?


skullkrusher: doglover: Benevolent Misanthrope: escheff3: Oh my farking god, it's a culturally-understood figure of speech.  Get over yourself.

You do realize, of course, that the same bullshiat argument is made for things like flying the Confederate battle flag and using racial slurs, right?

But unlike Micks, people like miracles.

Wakka wakka wakka!

are you saying Micks arent people or that people don't like Micks?


Yes
 
2013-03-03 11:38:13 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Marine1: Benevolent Misanthrope: skullkrusher: Benevolent Misanthrope: Marine1: chemical_angel: It was Medicine, not prayer? Odd ...

Cheesus: chemical_angel: It was Medicine, not prayer? Odd ...

Shush, it was definitely prayer.  God cured this kid, not "science".

/not sure why God created HIV, but whatev

FWIW, the Washington Post article gave this quote from Gay:

'In Mississippi, Gay gives the child a check-up every few months: "I just check for the virus and keep praying that it stays gone." '

/no one is debating that science led to this...

I beg to differ:

"That's a miracle," says Carlos del Rio, co-director of the Emory Center for AIDS Research and a board member at HIVMA (the HIV Medicine Association), who wasn't involved in the study.

Not science, not an unexpected outcome, not fine medical care... a "miracle".  A supernatural event.  There simply is not enough facepalm.

he might've been speaking metaphorically rather than claiming supernatural intercession... ya know, being a farking scientist and stuff.

Then, being a scientist, speaking on a matter of science, he should know better than to invoke a farking deity, even metaphorically.  But we as a society are so used to that kind of bullshiat, we don't even notice most of the time.

Regardless of his beliefs, he's probably doing more than you are to cure a disease that has killed millions.

And I'm probably doing more to fight illteracy (and the social problems that come with an uneducated populace) than he is.  What's your point?


He's not applying standards of belief to your work. You are to his, even though

A) We can't tell what his religious beliefs are from a figure of speech in his vocabulary

and

B) His beliefs aren't holding his work back
 
2013-03-03 11:40:00 PM  
there will never be a cure for hiv or cancer. but keep thinking there will be. just like youll hit the lottery some day ...
 
2013-03-03 11:45:39 PM  

bostonowns: there will never be a cure for hiv or cancer. but keep thinking there will be. just like youll hit the lottery some day ...


Actually, University of Alberta is sitting on a cure for cancer and close to one for HIV, or so I hear.  But no pharmaceutical company will pick it up. They don't make money on cures.  They make money on disease.
 
2013-03-03 11:46:47 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: And I'm probably doing more to fight illteracy (and the social problems that come with an uneducated populace) than he is. What's your point?


when you guys get to teaching the word "miracle" in your literacy classes, let someone else handle it.
 
2013-03-03 11:46:51 PM  
Since this is about the 5th or 6th cured HIV infection I've heard of without a cure coming on to the market for the rest of humanity... I think I'll just chock it up to "stuff happens". Great for the kid however.

I hate to break your hearts but here are the three things you must figure out about HIV/AIDS and a "cure"

1. We will find a way to stop you getting it to begin with.
and/or
2. We will find a way to stop you from dying.
and
3. People who have it now, will have it forever.

The number of viruses we have "cured" currently sets at a big fat zero and we will be dead and gone long before that number climbs to 1. HIV/AIDS is a particularly bothersome little beast due to its mutation rate.
 
2013-03-03 11:53:10 PM  
It never says that the baby tested positive for HIV. It was assumed she was based upon untreated mother and they started her on medication. With 25-30% transmission in untreated mothers the baby could have avoided infection. This may explain the miracle.
 
2013-03-03 11:55:42 PM  

Marine1: Mine was better.

"Baby born with HIV-1 believed to be cured by Gay".


Yes, that is better.

Jixa: How the hell were they able to afford the incredibly expensive medications for the infant if the mother was so farking out of it/poor she couldn't even get prenatal care. I'm calling shenanigans on this one.


That's just the way things are. If you're uber rich you can afford whatever medical care you need. If you're uber poor you qualify for many programs that will allow you to get whatever medical care you need.

It's the working poor and the middle class that have to figure out how to get the care that they need.
 
2013-03-03 11:56:07 PM  

skullkrusher: Benevolent Misanthrope: And I'm probably doing more to fight illteracy (and the social problems that come with an uneducated populace) than he is. What's your point?

when you guys get to teaching the word "miracle" in your literacy classes, let someone else handle it.


From dictionary.com:
miracle noun
1. an effect or extraordinary event in the physical world that surpasses all known human or natural powers and is ascribed to a supernatural cause. 2. such an effect or event manifesting or considered as a work of God.


I think I can handle it.  Maybe you could drop by sometime.
 
2013-03-03 11:58:35 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: skullkrusher: Benevolent Misanthrope: And I'm probably doing more to fight illteracy (and the social problems that come with an uneducated populace) than he is. What's your point?

when you guys get to teaching the word "miracle" in your literacy classes, let someone else handle it.

From dictionary.com:
miracle noun
1. an effect or extraordinary event in the physical world that surpasses all known human or natural powers and is ascribed to a supernatural cause. 2. such an effect or event manifesting or considered as a work of God.

I think I can handle it.  Maybe you could drop by sometime.


1: an extraordinary event manifesting divine intervention in human affairs 2: an extremely outstanding or unusual event, thing, or accomplishment 3Christian Science : a divinely natural phenomenon experienced humanly as the fulfillment of spiritual law

Anyway, I read on a 7th grade level and work in technology. That's good enough, dammit.

I'd love to see the debates you have with your insurer about what an "Act of God" is.
 
2013-03-04 12:00:53 AM  
that was from Merriam-Webster, by the way. I went to dictionary.com and found this:


mir·a·cle[mir-uh-kuh] Show IPA noun 1. an effect or extraordinary event in the physical world that surpasses all known human or natural powers and is ascribed to a supernatural cause. 2. such an effect or event manifesting or considered as a work of God. 3. a wonder; marvel. 4. a wonderful or surpassing example of some quality: a miracle of modern acoustics. 5. .

Looks like you left a few definitions off. I hope you're more honest with your students.
 
2013-03-04 12:05:12 AM  

skullkrusher: that was from Merriam-Webster, by the way. I went to dictionary.com and found this:


mir·a·cle[mir-uh-kuh] Show IPA noun 1. an effect or extraordinary event in the physical world that surpasses all known human or natural powers and is ascribed to a supernatural cause. 2. such an effect or event manifesting or considered as a work of God. 3. a wonder; marvel. 4. a wonderful or surpassing example of some quality: a miracle of modern acoustics. 5. .

Looks like you left a few definitions off. I hope you're more honest with your students.


Sorry, didn't realize I was dealing with a GED in Law.  I was trying to prove my point, which was that the most common uses are related to divine intervention.  When I hear "miracle", that's how I understand it - some event of divine intervention.  Even in your example, the first definition agrees.

And don't feel bad.  I work in Libraries and code at a 7th grade level, so we're even.
 
2013-03-04 12:07:57 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Sorry, didn't realize I was dealing with a GED in Law. I was trying to prove my point, which was that the most common uses are related to divine intervention. When I hear "miracle", that's how I understand it - some event of divine intervention. Even in your example, the first definition agrees.


riiight...

Benevolent Misanthrope: And don't feel bad. I work in Libraries and code at a 7th grade level, so we're even.


wow, we could combine and form an unstoppable douchebag
 
2013-03-04 12:11:12 AM  

Marine1:He's not applying standards of belief to your work. You are to his, even though

A) We can't tell what his religious beliefs are from a figure of speech in his vocabulary

and

B) His beliefs aren't holding his work back


I agree, we don't know the beliefs of the medical professionals in the story, but a lot of people see science and medicine as should be separate from Christian beliefs.  I have met many medical professionals that practice a religious lifestyle, Christian and Muslim.  Their view is they are just working to understand His work.  It is not, let me fake my way through school, wear a white coat and then just pray over someone without doing any treatments.  In my experience, they do just as well of a job as an atheist doc, but with a better bedside manner.

ultrasonic2010: It never says that the baby tested positive for HIV. It was assumed she was based upon untreated mother and they started her on medication. With 25-30% transmission in untreated mothers the baby could have avoided infection. This may explain the miracle.


That is an interesting point.  However, during the first 18 months, I am sure they had been running test to confirm reason for treatment.  They may have waited till the day after birth before starting the treatment because they were waiting on test results.  We may be assuming, but I hope the docs didn't assume and moved forward with reason.
 
2013-03-04 12:17:28 AM  

skullkrusher: Benevolent Misanthrope: Sorry, didn't realize I was dealing with a GED in Law. I was trying to prove my point, which was that the most common uses are related to divine intervention. When I hear "miracle", that's how I understand it - some event of divine intervention. Even in your example, the first definition agrees.

riiight...

Benevolent Misanthrope: And don't feel bad. I work in Libraries and code at a 7th grade level, so we're even.

wow, we could combine and form an unstoppable douchebag


OK, next time someone is looking for a band name, I'm suggesting Unstoppable Douchebag.
 
2013-03-04 12:30:49 AM  

dg41: I think I saw this on an episode of Star Trek Deep Space Nine.


The Quickening.

Bashir alone is able to cure in short time, a plague that the Dominion had probably worked on for a while to do what it did so well.  I guess that's the downside of cloned scientists.

They always talked that the Dominion had been around for 2000 years, which implies at least 2000 years of interstellar travel, yet they were evenly matched and outgunned at times by the Federation which only 300 or so years of interstellar travel.  I guess it would have made for a short series for the Dominion to take over the Alpha quadrant in 6 months like a dozen Borg ships (at least the pre-Voyager Borg) would have.
 
2013-03-04 12:33:25 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: bostonowns: there will never be a cure for hiv or cancer. but keep thinking there will be. just like youll hit the lottery some day ...

Actually, University of Alberta is sitting on a cure for cancer and close to one for HIV, or so I hear.  But no pharmaceutical company will pick it up. They don't make money on cures.  They make money on disease.


Nonsense. Conspiracy theory nonsense. They'll make a killing on a cure, and since cancer is not going to go away they'll have an endless supply of people to make money from. In fact, they'll be able to name their price.

Anyway, Magic Johnson is unimpressed by this story.
 
2013-03-04 12:34:25 AM  

Alephnaught: I like that the parents just stopped giving the kid it's anti-viral medicine.


They thought death would be kinder than facing bad grammar.
 
2013-03-04 12:41:14 AM  

deltaqueen: Hero tag disappeared??? For once Mississippi gets it right. And nothing is said? Oh let Mississippi do something wrong and dark lambastes the state. I'm from Mississippi and while the state has done some incredibly stupid and lame things.... but we have done something incredibly wonderful and nothing is said... hmmm methinks Fark is a bit slanted.

All that aside , finally a miracle!!!!!


Not said in the article: she only treated the child because she was a white non-abortion.

/I keed
//from Mississippi
 
2013-03-04 01:07:56 AM  

Macular Degenerate: In Brown's case, the donor carried a genetic mutation that protects people from HIV

The genetic mutation is called CCR5 ∆32. In a nutshell, CCR5 is a receptor through the majority of HIV virus strains infect host cells. If you lack a CCR5 receptor, the HIV virus has no place to bind to and enter your cells to infect them.  Everyone carries two copies of a gene. If you carry a homozygous mutation in the CCR5 receptor (two copies are the same), very few if any of your cells have the CCR5 receptor, and you are effectively immune from contracting all but the most exotic strains of HIV because it has no place to bind, infect, and replicate. If you carry the heterozygous mutation in CCR5 (one normal, one mutated), some of your cells have the CCR5 receptor and you can still become infected, but are classified as a "long term non-progressor" which means you carry the virus but it takes years for it to develop into full fledged AIDS if untreated. If you carry a homozygous normal CCR5, (no mutation) you basically upend and die from AIDS within a short time of contracting HIV if it goes untreated.   Most of the high profile AIDS deaths in the early 1980s were likely from people with homozygous "normal" genetics or from heterozygous mutations who carried the disease since the late 1970s without knowing it because they showed no symptoms until the 1980s.

The mutation increased in the white population because it also conferred resistance to bubonic plague. Prior to the Plagues of the Middle Ages, some studies suggest that levels of CCR5 ∆32 mutation were probably relatively consistent across the globe, but because the Plagues eradicated so many people with normal genetics, the mutation became much more common in people with Northern European descent.

This is the percentage of CCR ∆32 in different ethnic populations:
European Descent: 16%
African Americans: 2%
Ashkenazi Jew: 13%
Middle Eastern: 2-6%

In this case, it sounds like the little tike hit the lottery. Oh, and ever won ...


Do you have a source for this? I've seen it before, but never so neatly summarized, and the relation of HIV to bubonic plague. I'm curious, because the two main plague foci are in Africa and Asia, and it's odd (but undeniable) that there were never massive plague epidemics in Africa or central Asia like there were in Europe. What's the state of current research on that, I wonder.
 
2013-03-04 01:47:14 AM  
Hey... That's not positive
 
2013-03-04 01:59:07 AM  

ultrasonic2010: It never says that the baby tested positive for HIV. It was assumed she was based upon untreated mother and they started her on medication. With 25-30% transmission in untreated mothers the baby could have avoided infection. This may explain the miracle.


Hope that was just an omission on the author's part, but if not, I'm going with "false positive" or "poor record keeping" on this one.
 
2013-03-04 02:57:05 AM  

Macular Degenerate: In this case, it sounds like the little tike hit the lottery. Oh, and ever wonder why African countries are rampant with AIDS and other developing countries around the world are not? They have little natural defense from HIV, because they never experienced the great plagues like my ancestors did in Europe.


Actually, one of the MAIN reasons AIDS has devastated the population in Africa is because the farking American Red Cross was selling HIV-tainted blood to them for YEARS in the early 80s. I know this because a friend of mine (a haemophiliac who was HIV+ from very early-on, due to having contracted it from the blood supply before they were testing for HIV) used to work at the local Red Cross, and he told me about this before he died because it was really, really bothering him. I doubt that anyone at Red Cross will ever be held responsible for this, sadly.

/NotSoCool Story, Sis!
 
2013-03-04 03:02:24 AM  

ultrasonic2010: It never says that the baby tested positive for HIV. It was assumed she was based upon untreated mother and they started her on medication. With 25-30% transmission in untreated mothers the baby could have avoided infection. This may explain the miracle.


Actually, another article I read states unequivically that the baby tested positive for HIV when she was born. Here's the link: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130303172640.htm
 
2013-03-04 03:06:46 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: skullkrusher: that was from Merriam-Webster, by the way. I went to dictionary.com and found this:


mir·a·cle[mir-uh-kuh] Show IPA noun 1. an effect or extraordinary event in the physical world that surpasses all known human or natural powers and is ascribed to a supernatural cause. 2. such an effect or event manifesting or considered as a work of God. 3. a wonder; marvel. 4. a wonderful or surpassing example of some quality: a miracle of modern acoustics. 5. .

Looks like you left a few definitions off. I hope you're more honest with your students.

Sorry, didn't realize I was dealing with a GED in Law.  I was trying to prove my point, which was that the most common uses are related to divine intervention.  When I hear "miracle", that's how I understand it - some event of divine intervention.  Even in your example, the first definition agrees.

And don't feel bad.  I work in Libraries and code at a 7th grade level, so we're even.


It's people like you that remind me there's individuals trying their damnedest to buck social norms.

It's a Gods-damned miracle

/colorless green dreams sleep furiously
//can't be obscure here, nooooo
 
2013-03-04 04:31:17 AM  
so don't have sex
dooon't have sex

washhumane.typepad.com
 
2013-03-04 05:33:37 AM  

pedrop357: dg41: I think I saw this on an episode of Star Trek Deep Space Nine.

The Quickening.

Bashir alone is able to cure in short time, a plague that the Dominion had probably worked on for a while to do what it did so well.  I guess that's the downside of cloned scientists.

They always talked that the Dominion had been around for 2000 years, which implies at least 2000 years of interstellar travel, yet they were evenly matched and outgunned at times by the Federation which only 300 or so years of interstellar travel.  I guess it would have made for a short series for the Dominion to take over the Alpha quadrant in 6 months like a dozen Borg ships (at least the pre-Voyager Borg) would have.


It's easier to play catch-up than it is to invent new stuff. All the existing alpha quadrant powers were centuries older than Earth, but we managed to pull through and pretty much take over. Largely because the Vulcans helped us, but also because we had plenty of working examples to reverse engineer.
 
2013-03-04 06:24:02 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Do you have a source for this? I've seen it before, but never so neatly summarized, and the relation of HIV to bubonic plague. I'm curious, because the two main plague foci are in Africa and Asia, and it's odd (but undeniable) that there were never massive plague epidemics in Africa or central Asia like there were in Europe. What's the state of current research on that, I wonder.


Thanks! The Wikipoo entry on this subject is actually pretty good. This site gives a good low tech analysis of the topic. Go here if you're looking specifically for info the HIV/Plague link.
 
2013-03-04 08:02:14 AM  
Speaking of babies...  Doesn't pig semen induce women into labor or does it just dilate their vag?  My question is how the fark did they find out?  Was some lady farking a pig and when the pig ejaculated into her the semen induced labor?
 
2013-03-04 10:31:38 AM  

FullMetalPanda: Speaking of babies...  Doesn't pig semen induce women into labor or does it just dilate their vag?  My question is how the fark did they find out?  Was some lady farking a pig and when the pig ejaculated into her the semen induced labor?


Also a medical discovery made in Mississippi.
 
2013-03-04 10:40:46 AM  

Molavian: FullMetalPanda: Speaking of babies...  Doesn't pig semen induce women into labor or does it just dilate their vag?  My question is how the fark did they find out?  Was some lady farking a pig and when the pig ejaculated into her the semen induced labor?

Also a medical discovery made in Mississippi.


The first heart transplant was also done in Mississippi.
 
2013-03-04 10:52:21 AM  
The baby should have used a condom...
 
2013-03-04 11:25:22 AM  

ultrasonic2010: It never says that the baby tested positive for HIV. It was assumed she was based upon untreated mother and they started her on medication. With 25-30% transmission in untreated mothers the baby could have avoided infection. This may explain the miracle.


The other articles I've read, and the article on NPR this morning, all state that the baby definitely had HIV at birth.  In fact, the doctor double- and triple-check the baby's earlier blood work and re-ran tests (including at various labs around the country) to confirm that the baby DID have HIV at birth but no longer has it.
 
2013-03-04 11:29:50 AM  

Gelatinous: ultrasonic2010: It never says that the baby tested positive for HIV. It was assumed she was based upon untreated mother and they started her on medication. With 25-30% transmission in untreated mothers the baby could have avoided infection. This may explain the miracle.

Hope that was just an omission on the author's part, but if not, I'm going with "false positive" or "poor record keeping" on this one.


Nope.  If you check out some other articles covering this story (a.k.a., "research it out") you'll find that the baby definitely had HIV at birth.   And, yes, they had taken multiple blood draws confirming that she really did have HIV at birth.  But she doesn't have it now.

The docs had excellent record-keeping and it wasn't a false positive.
 
2013-03-04 11:36:54 AM  

FizixJunkee: ultrasonic2010: It never says that the baby tested positive for HIV. It was assumed she was based upon untreated mother and they started her on medication. With 25-30% transmission in untreated mothers the baby could have avoided infection. This may explain the miracle.

The other articles I've read, and the article on NPR this morning, all state that the baby definitely had HIV at birth.  In fact, the doctor double- and triple-check the baby's earlier blood work and re-ran tests (including at various labs around the country) to confirm that the baby DID have HIV at birth but no longer has it.


Wait, the baby had unprotected sex with the mother?  That's sick!
 
2013-03-04 12:47:51 PM  
I don't understand this case at all.... A baby born to an HIV+ mother will carry those antibodies for a year or two, regardless of whether or not the baby is actually infected with the virus.    The presence of these antibodies are what indicates (+) or (-) on the HIV test.

So my question is, how do they even know the baby ever had the virus in the first place?
Not to mention, pregnancy itself is also known to give off a false (+), so i wonder if it was ever conclusive that the mother was even infected.

Methinks, this story sound like the docs pumped an infant full of toxic drugs, then said the baby was 'cured' rather than face a lawsuit.
 
2013-03-04 01:20:43 PM  
Wasn't the same claim made back in the nineties?  The mother was HIV-positive, they had her on AZT (the only HIV drug available back then) during pregnancy, the kid was born HIV-positive but latter tested clean.
 
2013-03-04 01:56:06 PM  
When this kid is old enough to realize she lives in Mississippi I bet she asks for the HIV back
 
2013-03-04 04:44:24 PM  

twiztedjustin: Her coont mother sounds like a real winner.


Why?  She did the right thing... The docs were force-feeding very toxic drugs into the infant for no reason, and had she not removed herself from their care, they STILL would be doing it today.
 
2013-03-04 04:47:55 PM  

pciszek: Wasn't the same claim made back in the nineties?  The mother was HIV-positive, they had her on AZT (the only HIV drug available back then) during pregnancy, the kid was born HIV-positive but latter tested clean.


ALL babies born to HIV+ mothers will be HIV+ for a period of time, regardless of whether they are truly infected.   They are simply exhibiting HIV antibodies, carried on from the mother.

In fact, the orthodoxy doesn't even recommend testing a baby for HIV until they are 2 years old, because it will not be a reliable result.  You have to wait for the errant antibodies to fade away to see if the baby is creating their own antibodies, which would indicate actual infection.
 
2013-03-04 08:16:34 PM  
why not give the kid Wheaties he could be the next Arthur Ashe
 
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