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(The New York Times)   Texas saved $73m by de-funding family planning. Fark: Savings turns into a projected $273m loss after a huge spike in unplanned births for low-income families   (nytimes.com) divider line 78
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2013-03-03 04:59:21 PM
10 votes:
The funny part - those babbies are all going to vote Democratic in 18 years.
2013-03-03 05:12:04 PM
9 votes:
Providing free contraception for women (and condoms for men) when they turn 16 or 18 is insanely cost effective. Once you remove morality from the issue it doesn't make economic sense not to do it.
2013-03-03 04:57:13 PM
7 votes:

jehovahs witness protection: STOP PAYING PEOPLE TO PUMP OUT BABBIES!!!!!1!


Maybe you should have thought of that before Texas de-funded family planning.
2013-03-03 04:53:24 PM
7 votes:
In the fiscal crunch of 2011, the Legislature cut the state's family-planning budget by two-thirds, with some lawmakers claiming that they were defunding the "abortion industry." Researchers at the University of Texas at Austin, found that more than 50 family-planning clinics had closed statewide as a result.

Now, amid estimates that the cuts could lead to 24,000 additional 2014-15 births at a cost to taxpayers of $273 million,  lawmakers are seeking a way to restore financing without ruffling feathers.


Good god what a bunch of farking idiots. Anyone with half a brain can see that reducing access to abortion will cause low-income births to increase, and having a kid is pretty damn expensive. Of course the taxpayers are on the hook for it. I mean really, in what scenario would this not happen? Oh, and you can bet that since it's Texas, many of these kids are born to Hispanic parent(s).

LOL

Just, LOLOLOL
2013-03-03 06:05:37 PM
6 votes:
Once again for the slow kids: you do not make public policy that assumes people will act reasonably and responsibly; you make policy that keeps the system stable when they don't.
2013-03-03 05:50:45 PM
6 votes:
Apparently, fiscal conservatism really means "penny wise and pound foolish."
2013-03-03 05:18:20 PM
5 votes:

serial_crusher: Solution: stop rewarding welfare queens for having babies.

  Let babies go hungry and when they get sick don't take them to the doctor.

Is this the official "pro-life" position?
2013-03-03 05:16:24 PM
5 votes:

Carth: Providing free contraception for women (and condoms for men) when they turn 16 or 18 is insanely cost effective. Once you remove

morality from the issue it doesn't make economic sense not to do it.

I agree with you in a sense, but you keep using that word.  I happen to think that contraception is a moral choice. Actually forcing gestation is immoral. Too bad christians aren't bright enough to appreciate that.

In other words, we haven't "removed morality from the issue," as you state. We've removed irrational and barbaric religion.  Big difference.
2013-03-03 05:13:31 PM
5 votes:
I don't think people quite understand that safety nets are designed to keep society as a whole better off. Take them away and no amount of 'American Exceptionalism' will keep the nation from growing worse, on the whole.
2013-03-03 06:07:47 PM
4 votes:
The conservative refusal to believe any facts, science or research is the biggest drag on the United States that there is.
2013-03-03 05:50:14 PM
4 votes:

way south: I know people here are tempted to think that without planned parenthood personally putting its restraining hand on everyone's penis, we'd all breed like rabbits and overpopulate the planet.
The truth is rarely so politically convenient.


So Planned Parenthood is forcing drug stores to stock rubbers and forcing men to buy them?

As for the overpopulation thing, in a world where contraceptives didn't exist but the rest of our medical technology did (which I don't think would happen, the technology behind a neonatal ICU is light years ahead of tech for a condom) I think overpopulation might well be a major concern.

But of course, all of that has very little to do about the article, which is about the economic benefits of people only having kids when they're ready to do so economically, which these days is a lot older than it used to be.
2013-03-03 05:48:13 PM
4 votes:
1) Ban birth control. Ban abortion. Abstinence-only edumakashun. Defund Planned Parenthood.
2) Wonder why so many out of wedlock births.
3) Abolish food stamps. That'll larn them Welfare Queens. (The Welfare Queens with the babies, of course, not the ones with the zillion-dollar contracts with the Small Government®.)
4) Ship all the well-paying jobs overseas.
5) Gut the public schools. You don't need no edumakashun to work a McJob, and teachers are Union Thugs (except when the NRA wants to arm them).
6) Hike taxes on people who work for a living. Cut them on the plutocrats. Abolish the minimum wage.  David Koch's Mercedes is six months old and he wants a new one.
7) Wonder why so many people break the law instead of starving quietly, or getting a McJob for take-home pay that won't take them home.
8) zOMG CRIME WAVE!
9) Zillion-dollar Small Government® contracts for private prisons and purveyors of riot gear.
10) No ??? here, baby.
11) Profit!
2013-03-03 05:15:34 PM
4 votes:

Oh, man...if only someone could have seen this and warned us.  Oh wait...someone did


LIBERALS!!
2013-03-03 04:51:47 PM
4 votes:
Rick Perry and the TX legislature are a bunch of short sighted morons.  More at 11.
2013-03-03 05:46:26 PM
3 votes:

Smeggy Smurf: If only family planning was about planning to have a family and not murdering babies


If only you didn't eat so many paint chips as a child.
2013-03-03 05:22:22 PM
3 votes:
Not really sure what morality has to do with contraception, unless you define morality by Christianity.
2013-03-03 05:21:49 PM
3 votes:

serial_crusher: Solution: stop rewarding welfare queens for having babies.


Ahhhh...... so you think Texas' problem was that they didn't cut enough.

/What do you do about the problems that arose from from your last round of tax cuts? More cuts, of course! That will fix everything!
2013-03-03 05:20:17 PM
3 votes:

Lionel Mandrake: Is this the official "pro-life" position?


Easy black and white solutions are easy to take a stand with.

cameroncrazy1984: You would actually believe the Welfare Queen myth.


And it still conjures up images of black women with lots of kids.
2013-03-03 08:40:20 PM
2 votes:

Propain_az: kmmontandon: Propain_az: Are people so farking stupid that they need the state to help them understand how babies are made?  Are you farking kidding?

... you don't understand what "family planning" actually is, do you?

Of courseI do.  And I don't think the State needs to intervene.  I'm simply astounded by the general ignorance of people.  I can't believe that you, of all people, think that we should let people abdicate all responsibility for their lives.


Also, while you go off on your Glenn Beck-tin foil hat-ZOMG The State! rant, consider this. Easy access to birth control equals fewer pregnancies, fewer pregnancies equals fewer abortions and fewer unplanned births, fewer unplanned births equals fewer welfare recipients, fewer welfare recipients equals fewer families in poverty, fewer families in poverty equals fewer kids growing up on the streets because their parents don't care about them and turning to crime, fewer young criminals equals fewer people in prison, and fewer people in prison equals savings for taxpayers.

Being a Teabagger fundie reactionary is not compatible with being a fiscal conservative. Study it out.
2013-03-03 08:10:52 PM
2 votes:

Propain_az: Are people so farking stupid that they need the state to help them understand how babies are made?  Are you farking kidding?


Yes, actually. You'd be surprised how many myths - including myths reinforced by religious "education" - still circulate regarding the mechanism of reproduction. Two of my favorites:
If the man pulls out before he ejaculates, you won't get pregnant or a sexually transmitted disease.
You can't get pregnant if you have sex during your period.


Always amazes me when teenagers and young adults end up pregnant despite the proliferation of educational materials because they believe the damnedest things, and those things have the damnedest sources - peers, parents, books, bald-faced lies, and so on. So, yes, it's necessary to have a secular source of actual information, readily available, to which you can say "look, you don't have to take my word for it - go ask the school counselor/family planning clinic/doctor/whatever."

But, see, it's not just about "making babies." It's about understanding things like the idea that condoms don't just reduce the chance of pregnancy, but also reduce the chance of STD transmission. When you have religions telling you that if you use a condom, you're committing a sin, well, you need to have a secular source telling you the actual science. Remember, Texas politicians didn't do this just for the money - $71 million is chump change - but also to please religious conservatives who don't like competition from actual science. Those folks claimed a "moral victory" when they convinced politicians to pull this silly-ass move. What will be fun, of course, is the backpedaling those assholes will do when the rest of the Texas population realizes they're going to have to shell out four times as much taxpayer money to deal with the mess resulting from that "moral victory" - I'll bet we'll hear the "well, it's their own fault, those godless heathens" or some such trotted out as a deflection.
2013-03-03 06:37:52 PM
2 votes:

serial_crusher: Solution: stop rewarding welfare queens for having babies.


That is not quite accurate. What you have in the African-American and Hispanic community is a large number of teenagers who judge there self worth as adults by becoming mothers. The reward is the attention and self worth of being a parent, not the meager welfare benefits.
2013-03-03 06:35:06 PM
2 votes:
static.prtst.net
2013-03-03 06:33:33 PM
2 votes:

MrSplifferton: serial_crusher: Nadie_AZ: serial_crusher: Solution: stop rewarding welfare queens for having babies.

Rather, stop taking care of American children. Stop providing for future American citizens. Punish people who have sex and no money and hurt their children worse. Or maybe we could take those children away to punish those welfare queens. And we could then ... what? Give the children to those that can afford them? Like the wealthy? The rich? They can afford 100s of children.

I've always advocated a well funded orphanage to go along with jail time and sterilization for the dole mongers.
Kids still get taken care of (by people who are actually qualified), and dumbasses who couldn't be bothered to put on a condom only create 1 additional mouth to feed instead of 17.

I always thought an IUD or one of the birth control things that they put under the skin for women collecting welfare (I'd say men as well, but at the moment we don't have anything similar).  After they are off, they can have it removed.  If they are already struggling and needing welfare it seems irresponsible to allow them to have another kid, furthering their dependence on government and making it hard for them to remove themselves from welfare.  My issue is less with the cost of the government, and more with the families on welfare, it's hard taking care of little kids, and day-care can be expensive.  It gets a bit easier when they get older and are going to school, then the parents have more flexibility to work and further their situation.

However, what you are proposing is just being a complete D*ck to people who have made mistakes in their life.  All in the hope that a couple of them will be the 'dreaded' wellfare mom and dad.


The problem with ideas like this are many -- philosophical as well as in terms of real world enforcement.

First: Are you comfortable with the state actually not only be allowed to, but it actually being common practice to drug recipients of funding from community services so as to induce sterilization? Are you aware of the numerous problems that IUD's may pose (from gory physical details to side effects / reactions)? I guess in Canada this idea seems fairly barbaric.

Secondly: As soon as the first child is born, the state has a responsibility. A lot of people talk tough about "taking money away from mama", but reality is that if you do that, you are also improverishing the child.

Better opportunities are the answer, better education, more prolific access to family planning as well as contraception. But forced sterilization is a little bit too "old-skool German" for my Canuck lefty blood.
2013-03-03 06:15:37 PM
2 votes:
Conservative morons prove once again that they're penny wise and pound foolish.
2013-03-03 06:11:23 PM
2 votes:

serial_crusher: Less about saving money and more about doing the right thing.
Besides, by actually educating those kids and raising them with proper role models, we could turn them into productive taxpayers instead of the next generation of freeloaders.


Because kids raised in orphanages turn out to be well-adjusted and productive taxpayers.  Keep going, you're doing great!

serial_crusher: Fart_Machine: serial_crusher: I've always advocated a well funded orphanage to go along with jail time and sterilization for the dole mongers.
Kids still get taken care of (by people who are actually qualified), and dumbasses who couldn't be bothered to put on a condom only create 1 additional mouth to feed instead of 17.

Yes, by giving more kids over to the state and putting their parents in jail you're sure to reduce costs.  You should run for office in Texas.  You'll get elected for sure.

Might actually turn out in everybody's favor, well except for certain political parties who prefer a cycle of poverty to ensure a strong voter base.


This is Texas.  So you're saying the state is doing this so that they can ensure more Republican voters in the future.  Makes sense I guess.
2013-03-03 06:10:41 PM
2 votes:

GAT_00: Paul Baumer: cameroncrazy1984: jehovahs witness protection: syrynxx: The funny part - those babbies are all going to vote Democratic in 18 years.

True. But it's NOT funny.

serial_crusher: Solution: stop rewarding welfare queens for having babies.

Yup

You would actually believe the Welfare Queen myth.

It comes with a real live children in poverty that grow up to be non-productive members of society that end up costing everyone more moral.  But some folks can't see beyond their own enjoyment of being tuff on layabouts.

Well, since your parents knew they would grow older and get monthly handouts from the government for the rest of their lives, I'm sure you're quite unproductive yourself, right?


WTH?  Ignoring a more-or-less permanent underclass isn't fiscal conservatism, it's bad policy, regardless of morality (depending on how you view such things).  It costs <i>more</i> to not help family planning, not less.  The current demonizing of the poor as an ongoing effort to reduce public spending is both bad public policy, as well as abhorrent to most religious thought.
2013-03-03 06:10:11 PM
2 votes:

serial_crusher: TFerWannaBe: Once again for the slow kids: you do not make public policy that assumes people will act reasonably and responsibly; you make policy that keeps the system stable when they don't.

Can I use that argument in the next gun control thread?


Yup. Seems like a farking idiotic idea to assume that people will behave responsibly and reasonably just because they're armed.
2013-03-03 05:57:23 PM
2 votes:

ib_thinkin: I don't understand. Who votes for these morons?


www.yoism.org
2013-03-03 05:53:24 PM
2 votes:

serial_crusher: I've always advocated a well funded orphanage to go along with jail time and sterilization for the dole mongers.
Kids still get taken care of (by people who are actually qualified), and dumbasses who couldn't be bothered to put on a condom only create 1 additional mouth to feed instead of 17.


Yes, by giving more kids over to the state and putting their parents in jail you're sure to reduce costs.  You should run for office in Texas.  You'll get elected for sure.
2013-03-03 05:51:20 PM
2 votes:

jehovahs witness protection: STOP PAYING PEOPLE TO PUMP OUT BABBIES!!!!!1!


Roight, guv.  That little bitty check more than covers the cost of raising a child.  Welfare Queens all drive Cadillacs and eat fillet mignon.  (OK, the Welfare Queens with the zillion-dollar contracts with the Small Government do.)
2013-03-03 05:37:29 PM
2 votes:
syrynxx: The funny part - those babbies are all going to vote Democratic in 18 years.

this crop of myopic partisan Republican goons are actually Democrat operatives who are playing the loooong game. Jesus, they're so diabolically genius.
2013-03-03 05:36:59 PM
2 votes:

Relatively Obscure: gilgigamesh: Well that was an informative article.

At least I assume it was, since its behind a pay wall and eff you, Subby.

If you reeeeally wanted to, I guess you could delete your NYT cookie.  That usually fixes it.


Step 1: open up the NYTimes in a Chrome Incognito Window

Step 2: Read as many articles as you want
2013-03-03 05:31:20 PM
2 votes:

jehovahs witness protection: STOP PAYING PEOPLE TO PUMP OUT BABBIES!!!!!1!


Yeah, just fark those babies. They should know better than to be born if their parents are poor.

It shouldn't matter WHY they were conceived, they are still here and need assistance.
2013-03-03 05:23:07 PM
2 votes:

make me some tea: Good god what a bunch of farking idiots. Anyone with half a brain can see that reducing access to abortion will cause low-income births to increase, and having a kid is pretty damn expensive. Of course the taxpayers are on the hook for it. I mean really, in what scenario would this not happen?


Well, it might not happen if you took some of the money you're no longer spending on planned parenthood and instead used it to teach comprehensive sexual education to school children.  Or you could do even better and put condom dispensers in the school bathrooms.

Of course, both of those scenarios assume that 1) we're not talking about Texass, and 2) Texan taxpayers have the mental capacity to remember when they were randy youngsters and to realize that their kids aren't magically different.
2013-03-03 05:17:24 PM
2 votes:
"It's a much better way to treat the women because they don't just have family-planning issues," said Senator Robert Deuell, Republican of Greenville, a family physician who has advocated an increase in primary-care services for women.

This couldn't sound any more arrogant if he tried.  He's being such a good person by acknowledging that women should be treated as people.
2013-03-03 05:16:22 PM
2 votes:

serial_crusher: Solution: stop rewarding welfare queens for having babies.


Rather, stop taking care of American children. Stop providing for future American citizens. Punish people who have sex and no money and hurt their children worse. Or maybe we could take those children away to punish those welfare queens. And we could then ... what? Give the children to those that can afford them? Like the wealthy? The rich? They can afford 100s of children.
2013-03-03 05:16:08 PM
2 votes:

serial_crusher: Solution: stop rewarding welfare queens for having babies.


Right, because when I have sex, foremost on my mind is the gubment monies.
2013-03-03 05:13:31 PM
2 votes:
Solution: stop rewarding welfare queens for having babies.
2013-03-03 04:45:09 PM
2 votes:

gilgigamesh: Well that was an informative article.

At least I assume it was, since its behind a pay wall and eff you, Subby.


If you reeeeally wanted to, I guess you could delete your NYT cookie.  That usually fixes it.
2013-03-03 04:44:41 PM
2 votes:
www.gnorb.net
2013-03-03 04:24:54 PM
2 votes:
Because Jesusfreaks are morons.
2013-03-03 10:49:41 PM
1 votes:
BECAUSE POOR FARKING PEOPLE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY, EDUCATION AND RESOURCES YOU JACKASS. SO LET'S REMOVE ASSISTANCE THAT *STOPS* THAT, AND CRANK OUT MORE KIDS.
2013-03-03 09:06:14 PM
1 votes:

Propain_az: Are people so farking stupid that they need the state to help them understand how babies are made?  Are you farking kidding?


The conservative solution ended up with this. Any other bright ideas Republicans?
2013-03-03 08:33:53 PM
1 votes:

Propain_az: kmmontandon: Propain_az: Are people so farking stupid that they need the state to help them understand how babies are made?  Are you farking kidding?

... you don't understand what "family planning" actually is, do you?

Of courseI do.  And I don't think the State needs to intervene.  I'm simply astounded by the general ignorance of people.  I can't believe that you, of all people, think that we should let people abdicate all responsibility for their lives.


Given the misinformation, half-truths, and flat out lies that a lot of families, schools, and churches tell kids about sex, it's a good idea to have an outside source available for a second opinion that has nothing to gain from lying to them.
2013-03-03 08:14:27 PM
1 votes:

skullkrusher: kmmontandon: Propain_az: Are people so farking stupid that they need the state to help them understand how babies are made?  Are you farking kidding?

... you don't understand what "family planning" actually is, do you?

using protection when having sex when you don't plan on having kids is a big part of it I'd imagine


Contraception is only one rib of the "family planning" umbrella. Emergency contraception, STD awareness, HIV/AIDS awareness, pre- and post-natal education & care, even general reproductive education for men & women - for most states, all of that is under the "family planning" umbrella.
2013-03-03 07:57:26 PM
1 votes:
All you really need from the article in question:

Using taxpayer dollars to finance family-planning services has become politically thorny in Texas, largely because of Republican lawmakers' assertions that the women's health clinics providing that care are affiliated with abortion providers. In the fiscal crunch of 2011, the Legislature cut the state's family-planning budget by two-thirds, with some lawmakers claiming that they were defunding the "abortion industry." Researchers at the University of Texas at Austin, found that more than 50 family-planning clinics had closed statewide as a result. Now, amid estimates that the cuts could lead to 24,000 additional 2014-15 births at a cost to taxpayers of $273 million, lawmakers are seeking a way to restore financing without ruffling feathers.

In other news, single-issue politicians often don't have a "big picture" view. Texas just humped a bunk because not a single Republican politician understands the adage, "a stitch in time saves nine." They were so busy trying to make their derpy single-issue religious conservative constituents happy, that they really didn't consider the dollar value of that stitch.  Texas taxpayers are going to be on the hook for their own conservative stupidity, and it'll be fun watching them pay for those nine. It warms my farking heart, it does.

I can only hope other conservative states, like Kansas, Nebraska, and so on, continue to follow the (bad) example of Texas, because the longer their citizens remain in thrall to their own stupidity, the more obvious the success of basic social supports becomes to everyone else.
2013-03-03 07:42:16 PM
1 votes:
By the by, Texas defunded Planned Parenthood not because the Planned Parenthood facilities we're providing abortions, but because they were affiliated with this facilities that provided abortions.

Arguably, this violates the constitutional right to freedom of association, but also other federal laws, thus, this cunning plan also made Texas ineligible for federal funding of family planning which provided 90% of the family planning services in Texas. this is what caused the closing of so many women's healthcare facilities (who had nothing to do with abortions)

/DRTFA but by the comments in this thread, it doesn't look like this was spelled out in said article.
// Yay, Texas!
2013-03-03 07:13:59 PM
1 votes:

Ethertap: Who could have guessed that there are unintended consequences to unprotected sex?


That's why places like planned parenthood try to offer birth control to poor people. The GOP's answer to that was to pull their funding.

I realize that for a lot of Republicans, the idea of sex with girls is icky, but we have to face the facts. No one is ever going to stop people from farking. It's just never going to happen. Sexual desire is the second oldest biological impulse in human history, right behind breathing. Trying to legislate puritan ideals fails for that specific reason.
2013-03-03 07:12:30 PM
1 votes:
Our governor thinks the way to fight forest fires is to cut the budget to hire firemen and pray for rain. This should come as no surprise.
2013-03-03 07:04:18 PM
1 votes:
I think I can get everyone to come together on this issue.

Public spending on family planning saves the public money in the long run so let's do it as long as we still have a safety net and moral qualms about selling babies for their meat.
You can still look down on (most of the) the people too stupid to not get knocked up accidentally who are only saved from their own stupid by these programs.

Everyone's happy.
2013-03-03 06:41:05 PM
1 votes:

RockofAges: serial_crusher: Hollie Maea: Wyalt Derp: serial_crusher: I've always advocated a well funded orphanage to go along with jail time and sterilization for the dole mongers.
Kids still get taken care of (by people who are actually qualified), and dumbasses who couldn't be bothered to put on a condom only create 1 additional mouth to feed instead of 17.

Free condoms for all!

Free condoms constitute one of the greatest investments a society can make. All other developed nations know this.

Condoms are practically free as it is.  If you think the reason people aren't using them is because you can't afford them, you're mistaken.

When was the last time you bought condoms? Honestly, those things are expensive. They're probably almost getting as expensive as beer. Yea, you can probably just swing by the Red Door or whatever and grab a handful, but once you're out of college that seems a bit creepy. Sure, I don't think "they're too expensive" is much of an answer either, but don't go overboard here man. They're not exactly cheap if you are having regular sex and using them.


The #1 and #2 reasons why people have unprotected sex outside of marriage are:

1) Lack of sexual education.
2) Lack of availability of contraceptives.

Availability can mean many things, not just cost. In some parts of the country, condoms are simply not stocked. I bet some of those places are in Texas :P
2013-03-03 06:40:44 PM
1 votes:

serial_crusher: Fart_Machine: serial_crusher: I've always advocated a well funded orphanage to go along with jail time and sterilization for the dole mongers.
Kids still get taken care of (by people who are actually qualified), and dumbasses who couldn't be bothered to put on a condom only create 1 additional mouth to feed instead of 17.

Yes, by giving more kids over to the state and putting their parents in jail you're sure to reduce costs.  You should run for office in Texas.  You'll get elected for sure.

Less about saving money and more about doing the right thing.
Besides, by actually educating those kids and raising them with proper role models, we could turn them into productive taxpayers instead of the next generation of freeloaders.  Might actually turn out in everybody's favor, well except for certain political parties who prefer a cycle of poverty to ensure a strong voter base.


Sounds too 'Brave New World' to me. Although I'm game for breeding license requirements. People have to have one to fish but we let people pump kids out like rabbits.
2013-03-03 06:35:52 PM
1 votes:

serial_crusher: Hollie Maea: Wyalt Derp: serial_crusher: I've always advocated a well funded orphanage to go along with jail time and sterilization for the dole mongers.
Kids still get taken care of (by people who are actually qualified), and dumbasses who couldn't be bothered to put on a condom only create 1 additional mouth to feed instead of 17.

Free condoms for all!

Free condoms constitute one of the greatest investments a society can make. All other developed nations know this.

Condoms are practically free as it is.  If you think the reason people aren't using them is because you can't afford them, you're mistaken.


When was the last time you bought condoms? Honestly, those things are expensive. They're probably almost getting as expensive as beer. Yea, you can probably just swing by the Red Door or whatever and grab a handful, but once you're out of college that seems a bit creepy. Sure, I don't think "they're too expensive" is much of an answer either, but don't go overboard here man. They're not exactly cheap if you are having regular sex and using them.
2013-03-03 06:30:50 PM
1 votes:
I bet texas thought this was some sort of way to increase the white population but then they noticed groups other than white people were being affected and realized they'd better re-implement funding.

Because republicans would rather bankrupt the country than let liberals show they're wrong.
2013-03-03 06:29:56 PM
1 votes:
Palin-America problems.
2013-03-03 06:25:57 PM
1 votes:

Wyalt Derp: serial_crusher: I've always advocated a well funded orphanage to go along with jail time and sterilization for the dole mongers.
Kids still get taken care of (by people who are actually qualified), and dumbasses who couldn't be bothered to put on a condom only create 1 additional mouth to feed instead of 17.

Free condoms for all!


Free condoms constitute one of the greatest investments a society can make. All other developed nations know this.
2013-03-03 06:24:31 PM
1 votes:

James F. Campbell: Conservative morons prove once again that they're penny wise and pound foolish.


I think you mean penny stupid and pound idiotic.
2013-03-03 06:19:58 PM
1 votes:

dionysusaur: TFerWannaBe: Once again for the slow kids: you do not make public policy that assumes people will act reasonably and responsibly; you make policy that keeps the system stable when they don't.

BUT, but, but this is the best of all possible policysets for the best of all possible countries in the best of all possible worlds!  How can things possibly not go according to our God-guided plans?


Voltaire would like a word with you
2013-03-03 06:09:30 PM
1 votes:

TFerWannaBe: Once again for the slow kids: you do not make public policy that assumes people will act reasonably and responsibly; you make policy that keeps the system stable when they don't.


Can I use that argument in the next gun control thread?
2013-03-03 06:08:03 PM
1 votes:

serial_crusher: Fart_Machine: serial_crusher: I've always advocated a well funded orphanage to go along with jail time and sterilization for the dole mongers.
Kids still get taken care of (by people who are actually qualified), and dumbasses who couldn't be bothered to put on a condom only create 1 additional mouth to feed instead of 17.

Yes, by giving more kids over to the state and putting their parents in jail you're sure to reduce costs.  You should run for office in Texas.  You'll get elected for sure.

Less about saving money and more about doing the right thing.
Besides, by actually educating those kids and raising them with proper role models, we could turn them into productive taxpayers instead of the next generation of freeloaders.  Might actually turn out in everybody's favor, well except for certain political parties who prefer a cycle of poverty to ensure a strong voter base.


Yes, I'd definitely trust the Texas GOP to do a good job of educating them.
2013-03-03 06:03:31 PM
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i41.photobucket.com
2013-03-03 05:47:20 PM
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make me some tea: LiberalWeenie: Now if we'd just let these babies starve in the streets, we could really stimulate the economy with some tax cuts.

They can be ground into chorizo.


Just think how many jobs that would create! The cleanup crews and the chorizo factory jobs alone would drive unemployment to record lows!
2013-03-03 05:28:16 PM
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I know people here are tempted to think that without planned parenthood personally putting its restraining hand on everyone's penis, we'd all breed like rabbits and overpopulate the planet.
The truth is rarely so politically convenient.
2013-03-03 05:26:55 PM
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cameroncrazy1984: jehovahs witness protection: syrynxx: The funny part - those babbies are all going to vote Democratic in 18 years.

True. But it's NOT funny.

serial_crusher: Solution: stop rewarding welfare queens for having babies.

Yup

You would actually believe the Welfare Queen myth.


It comes with a real live children in poverty that grow up to be non-productive members of society that end up costing everyone more moral.  But some folks can't see beyond their own enjoyment of being tuff on layabouts.
2013-03-03 05:26:28 PM
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All evil in the world is caused by fundies.  Stupidity is a main tool of evil.  I have yet to meet a conservative "Christian" who wasn't a servant of Satan and the anti-Christ.
2013-03-03 05:24:50 PM
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cameroncrazy1984: jehovahs witness protection: syrynxx: The funny part - those babbies are all going to vote Democratic in 18 years.

True. But it's NOT funny.

serial_crusher: Solution: stop rewarding welfare queens for having babies.

Yup

You would actually believe the Welfare Queen myth.


Reagan (pbuh) said it!  It MUST be true!!
2013-03-03 05:22:18 PM
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Nadie_AZ: And it still conjures up images of black women with lots of kids.


That's why he believes it.
2013-03-03 05:18:51 PM
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Carth: Providing free contraception for women (and condoms for men) when they turn 16 or 18 is insanely cost effective. Once you remove morality

dogma from the issue it doesn't make economic sense not to do it.

fixarino'd
2013-03-03 05:18:21 PM
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jehovahs witness protection: syrynxx: The funny part - those babbies are all going to vote Democratic in 18 years.

True. But it's NOT funny.

serial_crusher: Solution: stop rewarding welfare queens for having babies.

Yup


You would actually believe the Welfare Queen myth.
2013-03-03 05:17:23 PM
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serial_crusher: Solution: stop rewarding welfare queens for having babies.


Good to know you read the article.
2013-03-03 05:17:05 PM
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syrynxx: The funny part - those babbies are all going to vote Democratic in 18 years.


True. But it's NOT funny.

serial_crusher: Solution: stop rewarding welfare queens for having babies.


Yup
2013-03-03 05:16:11 PM
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serial_crusher: Solution: stop rewarding welfare queens for having babies.


3/10, but you needed more derp, would have gone higher if you had said "stop rewarding welfare queens for having anchor babies"
2013-03-03 05:12:00 PM
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I don't understand. Who votes for these morons?
2013-03-03 05:11:32 PM
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A) Repeat

B) could have told them at the beginning.
2013-03-03 05:10:55 PM
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Robert Deuell, Republican of Greenville, a family physician who has advocated an increase in primary-care services for women.

RINO
2013-03-03 05:09:40 PM
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BUT NO, GOVERNMENT IS EVIL.

/Farking idiots.
2013-03-03 05:04:20 PM
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Gee. I wonder why the people in charge didn't see this coming.
2013-03-03 04:43:38 PM
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STOP PAYING PEOPLE TO PUMP OUT BABBIES!!!!!1!
 
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